The Eric Metaxas Show - Jake Warner and Kirk Cameron

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

Jake Warner of ADF outlines today's important appearance at the Supreme Court; and Kirk Cameron talks about adoption and his movie, "Lifemark," concerning that important issue.

Folks, welcome to the Eric Mataxis show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m.investments.com. That's legacy p.m. Investments.com. Ladies and gentlemen, buckle your seatbelts and keep your arms and legs inside the car at all times. Here comes Mr. Thrill Ride himself, Eric Mattaxas. Hey folks, welcome to hour. I think it's two. It's not hour one.

Dose. Typically, it will be hour two because we don't have hour three. We could have. You know when I started this program, they said to me, do you want to do two hours or three hours? I thought three hours. Are you out of your mind? It's kind of funny because now I think, no, that would have been fun. But we just do two.

We just do two. Okay, so this is our two. And in hour one, of course, we spoke to Liz Wheeler. tomorrow we will air the rest of my conversation with Liz Wheeler, whom I love. She's just terrific. She's true. If you don't know her, now you do. So tomorrow we're going to re-air that.

Tomorrow, actually, in hour two, I'm having a conversation with a friend, Sarah Berger. She has written a book. I will warn you in advance so you don't miss it. Hour 2 tomorrow. It's called Hope in the 11th hour. Sarah and her husband, Steve Berger. They were pastors until recently in Leipers Fork. I've spoken to their church many times.

13 years ago, they lost their son, 19 years old, car accident. And she has written a beautiful and important book. If you know anybody who's lost a kid or who's lost someone, it's important we understand God's perspective. It's, you know, it's not just important. It's God's will. because he wants us to walk with him through life, especially through these things. So tomorrow and hour two, I'll be talking to Sarah Berger.

The book is Hope in the 11th Hour, and the subtitle is A Mother's Journey Through Grief with Eternal Eyes. Okay, coming up in this hour, in a couple of minutes, I'm going to bring in Jake Warner from the Alliance Defending Freedom. Some of you know today they are doing their art. arguments in front of the Supreme Court. I talk about that with Liz Wheeler. After Jake, in hour or two, I'm talking to my man, Kirk Cameron. I love Kirk. He's a good friend. And I always, we tease each other. And Kirk's funny because he's so serious and so sweet that you don't think he would tease.

But I force him to find that side of himself. And anyway, but, okay, Alvin, before we go to, because I know we've just got a few minutes with Jake Warner to talk about ADF and this is very important case. But I want to reiterate what I was saying at the beginning of hour one. Yeah. First of all, we need you to go to metaxis talk.com and to click on the banner. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to harp on this over and over until you go there. I'm going to hold my breath because this is such a sweet thing that we get to participate in freeing slaves. I cannot, I guess I can't communicate it. more effectively than I have tried to communicate it.

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because God does not want us to live in boxes. He doesn't want to say, well, this is my religious life, this is my spiritual life, and everything's connected, and all of reality points to God. Yeah. And that's a fact. God does not live in some religious corner. All of reality, he created the universe, and all of it points to him. Every good thing, every true thing, every beautiful thing.

So I mentioned the Super Tramp song, anything beautiful. God can speak through anything. And he wants us to live our lives in that way. He does not want us to kind of like, it's like, well, I'm living my life over here, but then there's a spiritual side. That's nonsense. You're supposed to bring him into every part of life. And that's kind of the goal, right, is to live your faith out with that kind of integrity in every part of life. All right, we're going to, I'm going to shut up. And here we go. I'm going to play my interview with Jake Warner, very important. Here it is, folks. Listen in. Hey there, folks. Some of you know that the Alliance Defending Freedom today begins our argument

in the Supreme Court of the United States, an important new case. It's called 303 Creative. I wanted to talk to them about it, and we have Jake Warner, senior counsel with ADF to speak with us. Jake Warner, welcome. Thanks for having me on the show. Tell us what is this case that begins today at the Supreme Court that you at ADF are going to be arguing. Tell us about for people who aren't familiar with this because it's an important case. Lori Smith is a graphic artist and website designer. She owns 303 creative, located in Colorado. And she wants to create custom websites and graphics celebrating God's design for marriage.

but Lori lives in Colorado, where she is unwelcome to do that. The state would force her to promote messages that go against her deeply held beliefs about marriage. You remember the story about Jack Phillips, and Lori Smith saw what the state was doing to Jack Phillips, prosecuting him all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court and wondered, am I under threat? And indeed, she was. So here we are going to the Supreme Court today, arguing Lori's case, saying that free speech is, for everyone. The government doesn't have the right to force anyone to say something that they don't believe. And this is a critical principle to protect all Americans. We don't think the government should

coerce Lori. But at the same time, we don't think the government should force an LGBT website designer to promote messages on their websites that go against their deepest belief. So this case is really about free speech for everyone. And we're hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court is going to affirm that right for all Americans. Well, what's fascinating to me is that I think any reason, reasonable person understands that this is pretty simple. In America, we don't force people to say things or do things that violate their deeply held religious beliefs. We understand that. Everybody understands that. But there are places in the United States of America, like the state of Colorado, where they don't seem to care about this. And they are perfectly

willing to bully people and to persecute people whom they do. choose to persecute. In other words, they seem to single out somebody like Jack Phillips or Lori Smith, who are Christians. They don't seem to go after Muslims or Orthodox Jews who share the same beliefs about marriage. But they seem to target these kind of people. And when this happens, your only recourse is to say, we have to go to the Supreme Court because Colorado is not protecting our religious liberties. But it's an amazing thing to me that we're at that point

where we have to go literally to the Supreme Court of the United States of America to get these basic, basic liberties defended. Yeah, you're exactly right. Over the past 10 years, what we've seen are activists

and government officials targeting people that they disagree with. Jack Phillips has been in court over 10 years now. And ADF represents artists all across the country. Photographers up down the East Coast filmmakers in Minnesota, calligraphers and painters in Arizona. In many of these

cases, the court is now getting it right, affirming the right of all Americans to say what they believe without fear of government punishment. But now we have Lori's case, 303 creative, going before the Supreme Court today. And we're hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court is going to make that the law of the land, holding that the First Amendment protects the right of all artists to say what they believe without fear of government punishment. That rule would protect not only Lori and people who share her views on marriage, but also people who hold wholly different views on marriage and some of life's biggest issues. Well, it is absolutely extraordinary.

We're out of time in this segment, but I just wanted to get you in this story before my audience. Jake Warner and ADF, thank you. Thanks for your support, Eric. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis and they have no clue how to fix it. Oil prices have skyrocketed and when oil prices go up, the cost of transportation and shipping spikes leading the prices of goods to rise. And when we're already seeing record inflation, that's the last thing we need. Our economy is in trouble and you

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Well, I love it. I love how you like to dish it out. You like to, you know, tease and mock a little bit. And then you offer a compliment, and it all goes away. So I can't be mad at you. And, you know, I'm a Christian. So I got to forgive. It's a standard.

But it's a standard, you know, the Don Rickles thing, he would say. But we say these things in love. No, but I mean, teasing, I say this all the time. It's my love language. It's true. My mom is like that. You know, we tease. It's a kind of a way of connecting.

Of course, some people could take it in the wrong way. But most people know. you know, that that is my love language. And if I'm not teasing you, that's a problem. But you... That's right. Look, a lot of people do know you from growing pains, but it is true that in the 80s, I had moved on.

You know, if you had been on TV in the 70s, now, you know, I would just be in awe. That's a different story. That would get to talk to you. But the 80s, you know, no, I was simply not interested in that foolishness. No, I wasn't either. You know, believe it or not, I never watched growing pains either, Eric. So I'm right there in the same boat with you.

I was busy working. I don't watch this program, okay? I'm way too busy. I don't need to watch this. We were working on the nights that we were on TV right next to who's the boss. And I never watched that show either. By the way, I saw Tony Danza at a restaurant here in New York City just a couple of years ago. Okay, now we have to talk about what we're talking about, Kirk, because, you know, we're just, we're yakking here.

But I want to be clear, first of all, you have a show on TBN. I also have a show on TBN. So, you know, I finally caught up to you. I finally caught up to you all these years. Because in the 80s, I don't have any sitcoms or anything. But you have a show. What is the title, what is the name of your show on TBN? Well, you know, I wanted to call it.

I wish this was the Eric Metaxus show. But, you know, Matt Crouch wouldn't let me call it that. So we ended up calling it Takeaways with Kurt Cameron. Takeaways. It's a talk show. Takeaways. In England, they say takeaway for takeout food. They say takeaway.

Oh, take away. But in America, we don't think of takeout food. So takeaways are kind of like things that, you know, when you're processing something, what you take away from a conversation. So I've had the privilege of being on that program. And speaking of takeaway, I got nothing out of it. Nothing. No, I. But so you're sure.

You know what I like it? I'll tell you. The reason I like the name, takeaways is that often we hear these great interviews from people. And if it's a good interview, I want to take something from that that I can download into my life, an actionable item that I can do something with, not to say, oh, wow, that guy's really smarter. Oh, those are some good ideas. But, hey, what can I do? Can I be part of the solution? And so we usually give three or four takeaways.

You know, with your interview, we had like 10, 12 takeaways. It was hard to figure out which ones to take from our conversation. You have so many. Well, that's very nice of you. That's typically charitable of you, and I'm not having it. Not on my program. All right, so listen, actually, the reason you're the guest on my program today is because of a film that you have made or you've been a part of about adoption. It's called Life Mark.

Now, I know we've talked about it before, but for people who miss that, what is the plot of this film titled Life Mark? So one day somebody sent me a link to a short documentary, and it was the true story of an 18-year-old girl who changed her mind on the abortion table. She literally had a vision in her mind that this was not supposed to happen to her baby. And so she rolled off the table, chose adoption for her child, hid the whole process from her parents by moving in with her boyfriend, hiding the pregnancy. She gave her child up for adoption, thought she'd never see him again. 19 years later, he reaches out to her and he connects with that young woman. She thinks he probably hates her for abandoning him, but he wraps her up in a big embrace and says, I love you, thank you for the choice that you made.

I love my life. I love my adopted family. And it's an incredible story that is pro-life, pro-family, pro-love, pro-forgiveness, reconciliation, and new beginnings. It was in the movie theaters this last summer just weeks after the Supreme Court decision came down, overturning Roe v. Wade. So I see a big hand of Providence in all this, Eric. A movie that celebrates the value of life in the womb and the beauty of adoption coming into the theaters. And now on Pure Flicks and DVD for the Christmas holidays, right after the nation explodes over this issue of pro-life versus pro-choice. Okay.

So the reason you're on the program today, just to be clear, folks, is this film, which was in theaters, and we talked about it back then, is now available for you at home. And what is the best way for people to find it? It's called LifeMark. Here it is right here. It's on DVD and Blu-ray. And you can go to lifemarkmovie.com. Lifemarkmovie.com. And you can find out where it is, but it's streaming on Pure Flicks. And then it's also coming out. You can get it everywhere on DVD and Blu-ray. And it's streaming on Pure Flicks. That's right. Okay. So I often say that part of the battle that we're in in America is that the left, and when I say the left, I mean the secular left, the people who are uniformly pro-abortion, tend to be hostile to expressions of faith. They really have over the decades taken control of the narrative in the culture.

So you tend to hear certain stories or certain parts of the narrative over and over and over and over and over and other stuff you don't hear. And the example of that is we've all heard a million stories of, you know, this woman's life was ruined because she couldn't have an abortion or she had a back alley abortion or whatever. You hear those stories over and over and over. You never hear the stories which I got to hear through my wife because she was running a pregnancy center here in New York. of the women who chose to have an abortion and of how it ruined their life. It didn't bless them, but it hurt them. And they walked around with that wound. You don't hear those stories.

Those women are told, shut up. We don't want to hear that. That's not part of the narrative. We want to hear how this empowered you, and this was a great thing for you. We don't want to hear about your pain or your guilt. We just don't want to hear about that. it's important for those of us who care about these issues to get our side of the story out. It's not enough to be right.

And this story is a classic example of that. How many stories of joy, of happiness, of fulfillment as a result of someone choosing life? Those stories tend not to make it into the mainstream media. And those are exactly the kind of stories that I want to talk about on this program and anywhere I go to let people. know, hey folks, there are tons of people out there who, when they chose life, exactly the opposite of everything they were told is what happened to them. They were mightily blessed on levels that they didn't even think was possible. That's right. And that's what this is. That's what this movie is about. Life Mark is about, it's based on a story like that. And it's beautiful. And I'm, I'm

grateful to you for being a part of this film. Now, did you, were you one of the producers of the film? you're in the film. Yes. So I was, I'm one of the three executive producers of the film. The Kendrick brothers are the others. And I'm also starring in the film as the adoptive dad. You know, Eric, one of the greatest joys of my life, I think the most important role that I've ever played is the role of a dad, as a husband and as a dad.

And four of my children are adopted. They came to me via adoption. So there was a story that occurred four different times out there. of a young girl who found out one morning that she was pregnant. This was an unplanned pregnancy. Who knows where the dads were and the situations were all different, but this is a crisis in her mind. But then somebody along the way came alongside her and said,

you can do this. There's a miracle growing inside of you. God knew before the foundations of the world that this day was coming, and everything that is needed for you to be the hero in this story has been prepared for you. And one way or another, she came to a place of choosing life for that baby. And then our prayers, me and my wife, get answered when an adoption agency comes and brings the two of us together, our children and us. And that's how our family got started. I am so grateful for adoption.

I think adoption is something that people need to have, we need to recapture the beauty of adoption. It's amazing that it never gets brought up in the pro-life, pro-choice. discussion, but adoption, I think, is at the very heart, the center of the heart of God. It's at the center of, it's at the heart of the Christmas story for goodness sake. A young woman wakes up one morning with an unplanned pregnancy from her human perspective, Mary, and then Joseph, full of faith, and love for God and love for the mother, adopts this young boy, raises him as his own son. And here we have salvation, redemption, and reconciliation coming to the world out of that story. I think people will have new eyes for adoption.

Around Christmas, that that's the ultimate story. If you want to know what God thinks of adoption. Folks, we're talking to Kirk Cameron. He was a star in the 80s. I don't know whatever happened to him. We'll be right back. I walk by your house tonight and hope that I might see. The guy who's got you in a spin.

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Did Jerry Mathers? And people say, oh, yeah, did you hear it like he died in Vietnam? Not true, of course. But I always was wondering, what happened to that guy from the 80s, Kirk Cameron, whatever happened to him. Here's what happened to him. Look, he grew a beard, and he's doing all kinds of stuff. and he lets me call him my friend,

but I think that's pushing it. Only in private. Only in private. Yeah, only publicly. In private, he doesn't, he walks away. We're on TV now. He walks away. Okay, so you, I want to be clear,

this film is called Lifemark. You can go to Lifemarkmovie.com. It's streaming on PureFlix. It's a beautiful, beautiful story about adoption. And we were saying this earlier, Kirk, that we've got to tell the world, about adoption. It's a beautiful idea.

So when somebody says, oh, I've got to terminate my pregnancy that use that youth business, you say, why would you do that? There are people out there who would be beyond delighted to raise that child. It's such a beautiful, beautiful idea,

adoption and the movie Life Mark tells that story. You and the Kendrick Brothers executive produced it, and you are starring in it as the adoptive father in the film. As the adoptive father, that's right. Okay. Now, I want to talk about you as an actual father in real life.

You've got all these kids. You adopted four of them. Your youngest, Olivia just wrote a piece that was published and focused on the family. Talk about that because you sent that to me yesterday. And I thought, if I've got you on the air, let me ask you about it. Well, I'm excited whenever any young person writes an article and acknowledges that they understand the issue that life is precious. Life is to be celebrated and defended at all costs. Without life, we don't have liberty. We don't have the pursuit of happiness. Nothing.

It all goes out the window without life. And particularly this young generation is getting it. And my daughter wrote an article that was published recently on Focus on the Family website. It's called Reproductive Justice, which is the phrase that we hear a lot about now. reproductive justice does not include abortion. And she explains in great detail and very articulately why abortion is the opposite of reproductive justice. And I was just so proud of her. I had to send it to you, Eric.

I send it to everybody I do. I think, you know, I've said this a number of times. I even said it at the March for Life when I had the privilege of speaking briefly there a few years ago. And I talk about the same theme. in my book is atheism dead. Science is pointing more and more and more to the truth of God, and part of that truth is the humanity of the child in the womb, that we now know, and the younger generation knows it better than we did growing up because of the technology that's ubiquitous,

it's obvious sonograms, that what is in the womb we now know is a human being. And, And when I was a kid, somebody could just say, well, who's to say or whatever. The technology has made it more and more and more obvious. And people of the generation of our kids, they know. Yeah, they do. It's harder for them to look away. And so this generation is a more pro-life generation because it's just undeniable. It's just an extraordinary thing.

It is undeniable. And, you know, I remember when I, if I were to ask you, Eric, when did you, when did you first, when was your wife a mother? Well, it wasn't when the child was born, but when the child was in her womb, then you knew she's a mom. She's already taking care of that baby with how she eats. She's making sure she's taking care of herself. She's eating for two, right? That's when you became a dad. I became a dad is when our wives were pregnant.

And I'm excited to see my daughter pick up on this stuff and be so passionate about her about it, you know? No one told her to write this article. She just wrote it and it just lays out so many great arguments. But just the idea that because a child is so small or because a child is unwanted or because a child is dependent upon the mother, those things don't erase personhood. And she makes that point really clearly. You know, Hitler tried to erase personhood with the Jews by giving them all these qualifications that made them unworthy of being real people. people that needed to be protected. And we're essentially doing the same thing with these little humans inside the womb.

They need to be protected. Otherwise, we go down that slippery slope and all of a sudden, you know, we're tossing grandma over the canoe and we're getting rid of disabled and elderly people just because, you know, they're a drain on an economic system. We can't do that. We've got to protect all life at all costs everywhere we find it. And that is really another narrative that we're not. we have to get out there is that it is because of the Bible and the God of the Bible that we have

had progress in terms of the idea that slavery is bad, that we are all equal in God's eyes. All of these ideas come out of the Bible. And pagan cultures around the world and other cultures around the world that don't subscribe to what it says in the Bible, they have no problem with killing the elderly or letting the elderly die or having children born. And they say, well, this is child is defective, so we're going to put this child out in the woods to die. That is normative for broken, fallen, sinful human beings. And it is only because of the Bible that we have been able to say emphatically, no, we cannot dehumanize the Jews. We should not dehumanize the Africans. We have to treat everyone according to what the Bible says. And that extends to the

And so it's a radical narrative in history, but it's beautiful. Adoption is beautiful. And we need to tell this story over and over and over again so everybody gets it. Well, Kirk Cameron, we're out of time, but I want to remind people again. Thank you, Eric. Lifemark is the film. Lifemark, you can go to Lifemarkmovie.com. It's streaming on Pureflex.

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Folks, this is the show about everything, including the economy. You know, I couldn't be more ignorant about that stuff. But one thing I will tell you is that some things don't smell right to me. And digital currency, crypto stuff, I've always said this is like as far from the gold standard as you could possibly go. I don't trust it. So I actually get to discuss this with somebody who knows a little bit about this. One of our sponsors is Legacy Precious Metals. And the CEO, Charles Thorngren, is my guest.

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You know, crypto itself, the platforms are magnificent. The way they use them, the way they use contracts and the way information is transferred back and forth, it's a beautiful technology. But not every technology is an investment. That's the thing. You have these platforms, right? And this new technology that very few people understand. And those that do, they're in their 30s. But here, like with FTX, the problem is just because you can write a sequence of code doesn't mean that you're a chief financial officer. Doesn't mean that you're a chief operating officer. So that's where the problem comes in. You have brilliant people with brilliant tech, but they're not businessmen.

They don't know how to run a business, and it leads you to over leverage leverage companies like FACS. That's what it comes down to. Yeah, well, it's a scandal. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I have in my notes here that Warren Buffett, who knows a little bit about markets and money, has invested almost $1 billion in silver.

I wanted to bring this up with you because obviously, legacy precious metals is all about investing in gold and silver. That is very telling to me that he would invest nearly a billion dollars in silver. What do you think he's sensing? You know, the Wizard of Omaha has known for quite a while that our dollar and the economies are in trouble. And it's a bet he's made, and it's not just all in the past couple months, He's built this platform. He's built this portfolio of silver over time because he's seen a general weakness of the dollar,

which is a great reason to own precious metals if the base unit of our economy is getting weaker and losing purchasing power, you need something to offset it. That's what silver's been. And I think what we see now, as we see the troubles kick up in the economy, in the equities markets, in the bond markets, in the real estate markets, It makes more sense now than ever to make sure that you have their protections of metals. That's what it does. This is the place to be during these times.

And I think we're seeing that, you know, Warren, a Buffett has really, without coming out and saying, my medals, said, buy metals, because that's where my money's going. It's amazing. And I just want to be clear, you're the CEO of Legacy Precious metals. People can find you at LegacyPMinvestments.com. Is that the best website? Best website. LegacyPM investments.com.

So, I mean, you talk about buying silver and gold. What are some of the reasons, the best reasons now for somebody, for example, to buy gold or silver? Oh, great question. And I think right now more than ever, we know that the recession is yet to hit full effect. We have a government that won't even admit that it's happening right now. That's one issue. And we'll put that to the side. But we know the recession is coming.

We know during recessions, medals outperform almost everything out there. And in this particular recession, it will be the investment that saves purchasing power for you. And we've seen it this year alone. Well, metals have come down about 6%. That's sure a lot better than what equities have done for people's portfolios. People are in a 30% loss range at this point. And that's what metals do. They offer you that safety.

And as we look forward and see more issues. globally, not just here in the United States, but globally for economies, here's the point where you're going to see metals really outperform everything. They're going to get you the protection you need for your investments, and then also have a return on it as well. It's not going to just save you from your purchasing power, save that loss of purchasing power. It's going to show you a return over the next couple of years. That's the important thing, and that's why people who don't have metals really need to consider doing it. Well, obviously the stability of it is a big selling point.

If people go to the website, legacy p.m. Investments.com, what are they going to find there? In other words, how is it possible for them to do this? You're going to find some great information there. We're going to give you a little bit of information about us, about legacy, some of the reasons why metals make sense now. But more importantly, if you go to the website and put your information in, request one of our gold investment guides, it's going to give you even more information. They'll also allow us to be able to get in touch with you

to answer any questions each individual has because we want to look at this from the individual. Does it make sense for everyone, yes, but it makes sense in different ways. So we want to be able to spend that time with you so that you could figure out what works the best for your specific scenario and your specific portfolio. I'm just fascinated by the idea that it's tangible.

No, there's the idea that gold and silver are tangible. There's nothing ethereal about it. And when somebody like Warren Buffett, you know, invests almost a billion dollars in silver, my mind immediately goes to how much silver is a billion dollar? I'm trying to picture, you know, like when you think of the value of silver, what is it now? It's like $20 an ounce or something like that. So I'm trying to picture how much silver, just where, you know, where is it stored? Where do they store? I mean, gold's a little bit easier because it's worth a lot more.

But if people invest in something like this, where is it stored? You know, some people store it at home, depending on how much they purchase, right? Some people choose to have it stored for them. We have some depositories here in the United States and throughout the world where we know it's safe. We've got our own metals there as well that we own as a company. my personal metals too. So it's stored depends on what works for you. I just love the idea.

I want to put it in a coffee can in the backyard. Folks, we're at a time. Go to legacy p.m.investments.com. Legacy p.m. Investments.com. Charles Thorngren. Once again, thank you so much. My pleasure. Thank you. Hey, Alvin.

What are we going to do to motivate our audience to give to CSI? Oh, boy. That's a good question. Because I actually don't know what I can do or say. I just want to say folks that it's frustrating because I, people always, wherever I go, wherever I am, they ask me, hey, what can I do, Eric? You know, because like, you know, there's evil in the world. There's all kinds of problems. People say, what can I do?

What can I do? The real answer is anything. In other words, anything you do unto God for his purposes anywhere affects everything. And so sometimes something is teed up so cleanly that I just think like if you don't take a whack at that, you're really making a mistake. It's like not voting. That's not going to like you've got to when something is absolutely teed up, it's just a clean shot. CSI, okay, it doesn't get more obvious. They're they're freeing people from literal slavery.

So we're not talking about metaphorical slavery. We're talking about people in southern Sudan who, because of their Christian faith, are enslaved by radical Muslims who believe in slavery. Think how sick that is, folks. But the idea that we could do something about it, we could give to Christian solidarity, I want to encourage you, folks. I mean, there may come a time where you don't have five cents. When you have five cents, use it for God's purposes. What you have, we have liberty, we have every kind of treasure, whether it's talent or beauty or friendship or freedom or money, or we just have whatever we have. And God wants us to use it for his purposes.

And I think when something like this comes to me, I mean, we do different campaigns on this program for things we believe in. But Christian Solidarity International, they're the real deal. They're around the world, but the idea that they are literally freeing people from slavery. I mean, it's incomprehensible stuff, folks, and we get to participate. So there are people out there who you could dig deep and give $250 and free a slave. Like, this is not like an idea. This is actually true. So I want to encourage you to do that.

The website is our radio website, metaxis talk.com. Not to be confused with ericmetaxis.com. Eric Mataxis.com is getting a makeover. We've kind of redone it, and we're still in the process of messing with Ericmetaxis.com. And I think we'll have some fun stuff there. But the radio website is metaxis talk.com. If you want to know how to listen to the program, if you want to listen to the program, there's all kinds of stuff there.

There's a store there. If you want to get Christmas gifts, there's a store. You can get my book signed, Albin's books. There's all kinds of stuff there. But at the top of the page is the banner for Christian. Solidarity International. And I mean, I know there are folks out there that can't give $250. They can give $50.

Imagine saying to your grandfather or grandmother or your mom or your dad or someone who doesn't really want something from you, imagine saying to them, I gave this much money to free a slave in your name. That's my gift to you for Christmas. Yeah. This is real. this is God's work. It doesn't get more simple than this. It's this simple. And Christian Solidarity International has done everything. The only thing they don't have is the money to make this happen. So that's why they come to us, which is to say to you and to me. Can I give them the phone number? Yeah. It's 888-253-3522. 888-253-3522. Please be as generous as you can this Christmas season, folks. This is great.

I mean, there are people out there who could give $10,000 that would free 40 people from slavery. We're not making it up, folks. Can you do that? What can you do? I'm going to hold my breath until you dial this number 888-253-3522 or go to Metaxistocotoccom. I'm inhaling now.