The Eric Metaxas Show - James Agresti (continued)

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

James Agresti continues his deep dive into the criminal and treasonous activities of the current administration and what Donald Trump could accomplish if he is re-elected.

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In other words, the way the government's supposed to work is the president who's elected by we the people dictates who does what. And you're saying what we've heard that, they don't have to. They don't need to. They know they'll be around when the next guy gets in in four years or in eight years. And they basically act like their power was given to them by the American people. And they can do what they want. But their power was not given by them to the American people. They're being insubordinate, treasonous. So what we're really looking at is a war in America, where you have people like Trump and other. America First folks who now understand what we're facing.

And the question is, will they be able to get in office? Will they be able to drain the swamp? They're going up against everything. I mean, there are many people who believe this is why Kennedy was assassinated. Because when you start to go against these forces, they're not going to let you do that. But if you believe in doing the right thing and you trust God, you do the right. thing. You pay the price just as many, many heroes and patriots have paid over the years. Do you have a sense that Trump today knows what would be needed or that he has people around him?

Because I really think that in his first administration, it was pretty mixed. There were a lot of people that made it difficult for him to get things done or to deal with this stuff. Yes. I know for a fact that he knows this, not that I have a personal line to Trump, but I did speak with someone who was a high-ranking official in the administration, and he said, if Trump should get back in the White House, that job one is going to be draining the swamp, that they are ready and itching to basically go in and say, if you are not obeying the law, you are not carrying out the constitutional duty, you are sworn to uphold, we are going to get you out of here and we're going to do it quickly. And that's got to be done. You cannot have this permanent

bureaucracy undermining the will of the American electorate. Like, you use the proper word. It's treasonous. They talk about an insurrection on January 6th when not a single person fired a gunshot against the government official. That's not an insurrection. It was a protest, in some cases violent, but in most cases, those people were just guilty of nothing more than trespassing.

Yet they're throwing the book at them. yet Hunter Biden and Joe Biden engaged in overt criminal activity and they're relatively unscathed. And again, it's a level of criminal activity. Listen, if somebody knocks off a liquor store down the street, okay, that's criminal activity. But if they do something that affects the state of freedom in the world, that's another level of criminal activity. We're talking about corruption here on a scale that is just unlike anything any of us has ever seen. It's just beyond belief. And the only good news, James, is that thanks to folks like you at justfacts.com and others,

we're beginning to get a picture of what has been happening and what we might do. Because let's face it, in a way, all these bad things that have been happening have been waking up the American people. It's what I talk about a lot, and it's what I've been talking about when I talk about my book, Letter to the American Church. People have been sitting on their hands and thinking, well, it's not my job to be political. It's not my, folks, it's your job to defend liberty. People have given their lives so that you could live in this country and that you could have the possibility of being free. And the idea that we have to do nothing, I think many people are finally waking up to the idea that if I do nothing or if I do very little, I'm guilty.

Bonhofer didn't say it, I don't think, but it's attributed to him silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak, not to act as to act. God will not hold us guiltless. We all have a responsibility to do everything we can now that we have some idea of what has been happening 10 years ago, 20 years ago, we didn't know. Most people didn't know. But now we know, and now we know that many in the Republican Party, they're also profiting off of this. I don't think Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy are heroes. I would love them to be thrown out of office. I would love the people who are elected to office to be the kind of people that understand everything we've been talking about here and who have the will to fight against it.

I even think within Trump's administration, just the other day in Tucker Carlson's interview with Kanye West, Kanye West dropped a bombshell. And he said he didn't think that Jared Kushner had served the president well. I think we need to talk about things like that. And I think it should be a free and open discussion. When people start trying to shut you down and censor you like Google and Twitter, and whatever it may be, these big social media billionaires, clearly they don't have an answer. If you're wrong and they can debunk you,

they should be able to do that. It would be embarrassing to you, it would educate people. When they start saying you can't say that, that tells you something right there. That's, I mean, you're singing my song. I've been talking about this a lot. When they took this program off of YouTube,

I thought, what more do I need to know? I mean, for them to do that, it's so insane that you think they have overplayed their hand. They've made it obvious that they don't have a leg to stand on. They can't win by argument. So they have to win by using, you know, Marxist brutalist tactics because a fair fight, a fair argument, they know they're going to lose. And so they're running scared. They're desperate. They're doing absolutely everything they can to shut down the facts. Let me ask you about justfacts.com. That's, you. organization you started, you're the head of it. How did you come to do that? Because you are one of those

folks out there doing these kinds of things that we're talking about. You're bringing the truth to light. It's one of the reasons I wanted to have you on here. Good things are happening. How did you start JustFacts.com? Where did you get this idea? So it started as a hobby. It was an idea from one of my brothers. And I didn't put a lot of time into it, but it grew in influence and readership. And one day we got a link from the government of Taiwan, their embassy in Manhattan, and it said, here's a list of U.S.-based think tanks. And amidst the big dogs of the think tank world, Heritage Foundation, Hoover Institute, there was just facts. And I said, wow, they think I'm a think tank. I fooled them. I didn't even try to fool them. What if I really

I try to fool them. Okay, now hold on a second. I want to get more details on this. It's a joy to be talking to our friend James Agresti, justfacts.com. And I will see you, James, tomorrow in Houston at the Socrates in the city event. Very exciting. We'll be right back. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis

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James, I was asking you just a moment ago how you came to do what you're doing. What were you doing before and what put it in your head to start looking into these things and to try to build a website where people can find the truth? What year did this become a reality? So it started as a hobby in the mid-90s, but we turned it into a nonprofit organization, a formal research institute in 2007. To answer your question, I was previously a mechanical. mechanical engineer. I started off out of college designing jet engines. I did some work as the chief engineer of a company that customizes helicopters. I did technical sales, which was really interesting because I got to look at military applications and healthcare applications. So I had a very wide

experience and solving problems with facts and data. So in the mid-90s, my brother would call me about politics and we'd have discussions. And one day he called, he came to my house actually. And he said, we have a website. It's called justfax.com. You're going to give me facts and I'm going to post them. And I said to him, why? And he goes, because every time I talk politics with people, all they give me is their opinions. You give me facts. I want to put facts out to the American people. Now, I just, I find it funny. So at the time you were living, where were you living in the 90s when this happened? in Jersey, newly married, living in a basement apartment in Florin Park, New Jersey. And so you're living in Jersey, and somehow your brother realizes that you have your finger on the pulse, you know how to do this.

I mean, does being a person who designs jet engines, you know, is that normal that you, or was this just, as you said, a hobby, that you would kind of look into things? You have an inquisitive mind? Yeah, I'm a data guy. I'm an empiricist in the positive meaning of the term. I wait and withhold my opinions until I have data. It's the same thing as you know with my faith. I used to be an atheist, but I was presented with enough data and did enough research to say, this Bible I'm holding here is true.

It's accurate. I can trust it because this is what the facts show me. So I try to be objective. None of us can be totally objective. but that's something that's kind of drilled into engineers. You know, it's not like politics where, well, let's try this policy, this tax law change, and you can get away with it because the effects of it might not be felt for 20 years.

If I screw up a design and engineering, the plane falls out of the sky. We don't have the luxury of being wrong like that. So we're data-driven. Well, you bring up an important point, and I've begun talking about this more and more. God created reality. And at the end of the day, it's not so much about bringing people to faith in Jesus as it is to converting them to reality. In other words, if you care about reality, it will lead you to everything that's true, whether we're talking about the resurrection of Jesus from the dead and faith in him or understanding how liberty works and doesn't work. It's whether you're willing to deal with this thing called reality.

And so when you're in the hard sciences, if you're designing jet engines, you're forced to be able to. deal with that. The ideology can't be very strong in those places. But when you're dealing with humanities or when you're dealing with economics or whatever, ideology can twist and bend and, you know, kind of pervert the clarity to the point that people can believe whatever they want. So it's interesting to me that you came out of, you know, engineering. I want to talk to you though about, if you don't mind, we've been talking about your website, justfacts.com, but it reminds me that the way I got to know you was through your books. What are the titles of the two books that you put out? So it's only one book and it's called rational conclusions. It's called rational

conclusion. I'm sorry, yes, just one book. Rational conclusions. That book, when I was writing my book, is atheism dead. I don't know how I discovered your book rational conclusions. I think it was like a footnote of another book or something. And I said, what's this? And I looked into it. And I was absolutely fascinated. I'd never heard of you before.

I'd never heard of the book before. But what is your path there? You said you were an atheist because we're always talking about these different things, but it's always the same thing. It's uncovering what is true. And even uncovering whether we can know. what is true. Come to the conclusion that, yes, I can know certain things. I don't need to just say, hey, who's to say? I can actually know these things. So in the book rational conclusions,

you deal with that. But what was your journey, if you don't mind my asking, from atheism, how are you raised? And what was it that led you to write the book rational conclusions? Because it's a terrific book. Well, thank you for your kind words. And it means a ton coming from you. Just if I may divert on your question for a moment. I remember when we first met, I came to see you preacher at a church down here. And I'm sitting here and I'm listening to deliver a sermon on his atheism debt. And my wife and my brother are sitting next to me. And they go, this guy is just like you. And I said, yeah, except he's articulate and good looking. Yeah. And he stole the ideas from your book. Listen, you do. No, but I'm serious. Like we all have these different talents.

You know, if it weren't for books like yours, I couldn't have written a book like mine, you know. And so when you, and by the way, I'm speaking, I think at that same church in Houston, in the woodlands this Sunday, because I'm in Houston all this week ahead. And I know I'm speaking, if, folks, if you're in Houston, Socrates event tomorrow night. And then I'm speaking at a Mighty Oaks Foundation thing on Saturday. And then I'm preaching twice on Sunday morning. You can find the information at my website, ericantaxis.com. But what is the book Rational Conclusions and what was your journey, James?

You know, how were you raised? Were you raised in the faith in Jersey? I just assume, you know, yeah, you went to Catholic Church sometimes. You hit the nail in the head, Eric. We were a nominally Catholic family growing up in an Irish Italian neighborhood where everybody went to church on Sunday. They actually let us out of public school to go get some religious education one day a week. And like the five Jewish kids would stay behind.

in the auditorium, but it was a very Catholic area. But I never believed much of any of it. Very early on, you know, the talk of miracles and ceremonial things that we have to do to appease this invisible God made no sense to me. So by the time I was in seventh or eighth grade, I had basically said, I don't buy any of this stuff. I didn't want to go to church. And we moved in 1980 when I went into high school. And my parents said, you don't want to go. Don't go. My dad never went anyway. So my mom was like, we're not dragging you anymore. And I remained an atheist all the way through college until about the age of 25. A friend gave me a Bible. I actually didn't want it. It's a funny story. I was in his car. He asked me to get something from

the glove box. And I picked it, got whatever it was, maybe it was a tissue. And it was a Bible in there. I picked it up and opened to the book of Proverbs and started reading out loud and laughing because a lot of the sayings are very witty. Things like, you know, if you grind a fool with a mortar and pestle, you will not remove his folly from him. And I'm thinking, man, that is so true. Or better to live on a corner of your roof than what a contentious moment. So he from there said, why don't you take it? And I said, no, no, no. And he said, take it.

and I took that thing home and read it over the course of the year. I read it credit. I love these stories because most people would never do that, but you're a brainy guy, you're inquisitive, and the fact that here you are working as an engineer, as a goof, you end up with this Bible in your lap. Your friend says, take it, take it, take it. You do take it, and then you actually read it.

So what a bizarre thing now. So you're an atheist, but you're reading this book. What happens? Well, I read it cover to cover critically, not looking to disprove it, not looking to embrace it, but just kind of open-mindedly and skeptically at the same time. And as I went through it, I started comparing some of the things I saw in the air to the things I learned in my education, the things I've learned through my studies. And I said to myself, wow, this aligns on so many fronts. and it was chapter after chapter, book after book, that I would see this. And by the time I finished that book and I read it cover to cover over the course of a year,

I said, I cannot deny the veracity of this. This is true. And I need to do something about it. Like you said, you need to do something about it. It is funny, though, because, you know, everybody, I was just talking to somebody yesterday, really, about how every single one of us is completely different. And God wants to have a personal relationship with us. So he's the same, but he speaks to us differently,

the way you would to a timid little child versus like a brazen, bold, overconfident teenager. You speak to them differently, try to reach them differently. So it's fascinating to me how you know, you're this hyper-rational guy. and you interact with the text, and you're rational enough not to come at it with open hostility, although you're starting from a position of atheism, but the idea that that process leads you along these paths.

You know, a lot of people would read it, and that wouldn't happen. I want to talk to you more about that when we come back, folks. Talking to James of Gresty, you can find out more about him at justfacts.com. Tell me, Eric, why is relief factors so successful at lowering or eliminating pain. I'm often asked that question. The owners of Relief Factor tell me they believe our bodies were designed to heal. That's right, designed to heal,

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Feel the difference. have to choose how I wish I could borrow someone else's shoes. Folks, welcome back talking to James Agresti. He is behind justfacts.com. We've been talking current events. But we've kind of shifted because I remember that I met James Agresti because I had read his book rational conclusions. When did that book come out?

2010. Okay. Everything in it is still true. And I used it in writing my own book, is atheism dead just a couple of years ago. So as you're reading the Bible and what year roughly are we talking about now, this is in the early 90s? So yes, early 90s, correct. Okay. I graduated in 88, so it's 23, so very early 90s, I would say.

Okay. And so you're having this process. This is happening to you. You're reading through the Bible. And you said, before we went to the break, that you, it struck you that what you're reading is constant. with what you know to be true in the world and you thought some kind of an inkling like I guess I need to do something about this. What did you think you needed to do about it? I needed to submit to the truth that was in there that Jesus Christ was a real person who walked this earth.

He was God in the flesh. He died for my sins. He loves me. He wants the best for me. And he is following him is the best way to live a life. It's the best way for me. It's the best way for everyone around me. And it secures my eternal destiny because this life goes like this. Well, I'm still fascinated because a lot of people might read the Bible. And, you know, I wonder what that process was like for you because, you know, a lot of people would say, well, I just, you know, I just cannot believe some of some of what it says in there. And I have problems with this.

I think a lot, I usually atheists who are. not particularly thoughtful, they just find the few things from the first couple of pages of this 2,000 page book and say, you know, talking snake, whatever, I'm out. I'm out. Like, that's ridiculous. And I don't really think that they give it a chance to be fair. I don't think that they give it a chance. They're not kind of willing to suspend their disbelief on certain things to see about anything. Because I think at the end of the day, if we're honest, we all have questions about some things that are in the Bible. but the overwhelming weight of the evidence and what it says, it pushes you into a corner that if you have to choose,

you're like, I may have questions, but I can't ignore the infinity about which I don't have questions, just the ideas that are here and the stories and the figures and so on and so forth. So it's almost like saying, well, you know, I don't know everything about how a car works. So I just, I'm not going to trust it. I'm not going to get in the car. You know, and you think, well, you don't need to know everything about how it works, but you've got to get to your job and you're going to be late. And there's the car and it's got gas in the tank and you got the keys. And you're telling me because you can't explain to me how a carburetor works. You're not going to, you don't trust it. I think that's how people act when it comes to faith. They act like, well, if I've got one question, I'm out. And that doesn't seem to me to be intellectually honest. And you've just described a process where you were intellectually honest. It's kind of fascinating. Can I add to that? Because I think you're on to something super important here that gets missed a lot. You talked about unthinking atheists,

people who don't think that deeply. And this isn't just a question between, well, do I believe in the miracles of the Bible or don't I? It's do I believe in the miracles of the Bible? Or do I believe in the miracles that are necessary to come to the conclusion that everything we have around us here is a result of grand of a chance. And when you stack up, it's not a question of do I believe in miracles. It's which miracles do I believe it? It's not one or, you know, it's not, you have to accept them one way or another. The very existence of our universe in the state that it's in, I do a lot of reading on physics and how our universe has changed and to get the state we're in where there is an Eric and a gym that are incredibly complex human beings, that are transmitting a conversation via, you know,

digitally on a computer. All these things have to come from order. And the only way you can get that is special initial conditions. This is a fact of physics. It's known as the second law of thermodynamics. And even the atheist will admit it is so unlikely to have a universe like we have here. You discussed and atheism is dead, that the only way we can get to that point is to assume there is an infinite number of universes out there and that we just happen to be in the one that was born in this incredible state. In fact, I confused Dawkins and Hawkins all the time. There's Richard Hawkins. Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. No, not Hitchens. I'm talking about the physicist, the Ph.T. physicist, Dawkins.

Well, no, Richard Hawkins is a scientist at Oxford, who wrote many books. He was one of the new atheists. No, I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about the guy who had the degenerative disease who died recently. Oh, Stephen Hawking. Thank you. Sorry about that. He wrote a book trying to explain this, and the analogy he gives is unbelievable.

He says, you have to understand. that in all these alternative universes, anything could happen. And he said, there could be a moon made of rope for cheese. This is in his book. These are his words. So this is the question. Do you believe there's an intelligent human being that created this universe and gave it order? Or you believe there's a universe out there with a moon made of rope for cheese? And he emphasized, this is not science fiction. This is reality. These are the mental gymnastics atheists have to go through to justify their belief that there's no God. I think we're at a time in this segment, but we have more with James Agresti. His book is rational conclusions. Highly recommended. We'll be right back. With the overturn of Roe v. Wade, lots of companies are coming out saying they'll pay for employee abortion travel and expenses. Most of you've heard about some of these companies. you've decided to stop shopping or doing business there,

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quickly. So order now with promo code Eric at mypillow.com. Promocode Eric at my pillow.com. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to James Agresti, who wrote the book Rational Conclusions. and he's the man behind the website justfacts.com. A moment ago, we were confusing Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Hawkins and Richard Dawkins. But now we're not. So James Agresti, A-G-R-E-S-T-I, what kind of a name is Agresti? It's Italian, and it means literally translated, wild, untamed of the fields. And if you know me and my family, it's a pretty accurate descriptor.

You're pretty wild from Jersey, these Italians, Agresti. Well, look, your book Rational Conclusions, I remember when I found it, I thought, what is this? Who is this guy? And I couldn't really find you on the internet very successfully or whatever. And I finally met you in Houston, I think in the same church that I'm going to be speaking at this Sunday, folks, if you're in the Houston area or Woodlands or whatever, go to Eric Mataxis.com.

But I just want to keep talking to you about what you talk about in your book Rational Conclusions, among other things. And we should have you back just to talk about that book because there's a lot in it. But honestly, when you talk about, you ask the question, which miracles do I believe in? What I'm talking to James Tour about tomorrow night in Houston at Socrates and City event, which if you're in the area, you can still go to Socrates. City.com and I think there are tickets. But I want to say that that's what made me write my book is atheism dead. When I met him and he talks about he knows how the idea that single-celled life just appeared, like he knows that is utterly insane based on what we now know from science.

Like there's just no way. So if you believe that, you're believing in a miracle that is it's just undeniably impossible given everything we know. So why would you choose to believe that random natural processes would lead to single-celled life flourishing and then dividing and then, you know, it doesn't make any sense. But you really put it beautifully when you said, which miracles do I believe in? Because people say, well, there's things in the Bible that I don't know, it sounds a little tough. And it's like, okay, but not nearly as tough. Not even in the same universe is tough of saying that this universe was created out of nothing with all the conditions we need to be here, breathing the air, looking at the blue sky.

But I was talking to you earlier about being intellectually honest. In other words, once you start looking at this honestly, as you did, you come to some rational conclusions. But a lot of people don't want to. It makes them uncomfortable. and they just rather go with the crowd that says, yeah, I don't need to look into it too deeply. You're crazy. Yeah.

And I think there's motives for that that are outlined in the Bible where, you know, we have a natural inclination to say, okay, if there's a God, well, guess what? I'm accountable to him. He made me. He's my Lord. And I like to do certain things that I think he wouldn't want me to do. And I was in that mode of life where, you know,

I'm a young guy fresh out of college. I won't get into detail, but I was doing a lot of things that biblically you're not supposed to do. And I looked at this kind of as, well, if I go down this road, this is going to be an impediment to my fun. And what I've learned through many years afterwards of becoming a Christian is actually for my fun, for my benefit, for the welfare of people around me, that I don't do certain things I was doing that was actually hurting people. And if I may be so blunt, you know, speak this on your show, you know, I had two sexually transmitted diseases. That's helping people? No, that's hurting people. It's hurting me.

It's hurting others. Well, we need to be honest about this. This is kind of the point is that we live in a culture that it never talks about that stuff. It never talks about how human beings use each other in that way. And I think, listen, if there are people listening right now who are, you know, you're hurting, you're confused about. stuff, God does not want to harm you. He doesn't want to deprive you of having joy and fun and purpose. Exactly the opposite. I mean, I remember I was almost 25 when my friend Ed Tuttle gave me an index card. I write about this in my book, Fish Out of Water. I'll never forget. It gave me an

index card with a scripture verse on it from Jeremiah that God says, I know the plans I have toward you, plans not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. And it kind of hit me like, so is it possible that God doesn't want to embarrass me, doesn't want to keep me from, you know, having some self-actualization and having a great life that he actually loves me and has a better plan for me and actually knows what is needed for me to flourish. And that's kind of ultimately where this all comes out, isn't it? Like, do you trust him or not? And I think we have to be honest, you and I,

in saying we trusted him and he hasn't let us down. In fact, it would be an understatement to say he hasn't let us down. I mean, it's kind of an amazing thing, and it's why I share this stuff, because I think I was really miserable because I didn't know that you could even know

whether God is real or the Bible is true. You did the investigation, and that led you to it. In your book, Rational Conclusions, because we only got a minute or two left, so what do you cover in the book? We'll have you back another time just to talk about the book Rational Conclusions.

History, archaeology, a wide array of sciences, a field of study called continuity, how the Bible relates to one another, manuscript evidence, how can we know that the books we're holding today in reading are the original writings, fossils, paleontology,

geology. I mean, there's probably about 15 different academic disciplines I dig into in that book. Well, it's funny because people often ask me, like, well, hey, what else can I read? And, you know, there's so many great books out there. But your book, Rational Conclusions, I mean, for people who are honestly searching, you know, when I say honestly search, I mean, folks, you just want to know what's true, you know, the truth shouldn't scare you. But if you really are interested in the these things. Rational Conclusions is a great, is a great book. And as I said, when I was writing my book, I was kind of amazed that it existed. So I'm glad to have gotten to know you, James, and then glad to know that you are now involved with justfacts.com. Boy, you're all over the place. So we'll have

you back to talk about rational conclusions, the book, because it's important, folks. Obviously, you can get a copy of that. But just glad to have you on the program and glad to direct folks to justfacts.com. We'll have you back. God bless you. Pleasure and honor. Thank you, God bless you. Hey, folks.

Have you done it? Did you do it yet? Did you do it yet? I'm going to keep bugging you. Did you go to Metaxistock.com and give the lines ofending freedom? Look, it's der regur. That's a French term, which means hurry up. Seriously, in the lines of spending freedom, they're here.

And I think part of what's happening in America right now is folks like us, all of us, are realizing we've got to do our part if you can keep it. We have a job to do to keep our liberties. And we've been told over the last decades, don't do anything. Just move along. Just to do what you're told. No, there are things we need to do. and I think if we're going to be able to go forward as a free people,

we have to do all these things in different ways at different times. But one of the things we have to do is give to the organizations that are fighting for us. Lion's defending freedom. We mentioned them. They defended our friend Jack Phillips, who was told, remember this, right? He said, I'm a cake artist. I'm not just like baking stuff here. I'm like I'm making these creations, the artistic creations.

And some vicious, you know, LGBTQ activists said, we're going to make a lesson of you. We're going to punish you because you don't want to celebrate our same-sex marriage. And he's saying, well, look, there are other bakers in town. But in America, you can't force me to celebrate something that goes against my faith. And they said, you know, shut up and bake the cake or we're going to take you to. So basically, who steps up for this guy to defend him and to defend all of us? Because imagine going to a Jewish baker and saying, I want you to bake a cake celebrating the PLO or celebrating this group that doesn't like you. You'd say, well, no, I don't have to do that.

It's America, right? And they'd say, oh, yeah, you have to, if you don't do that, we're going to bury you with legal costs. We're going to harm you. that's where we are. And it will happen to all of us one way or the other, which is why we need to do what we can. So the lines of defending freedom, you've got to go to metaxis talk.com.

And I mean it, folks, when I say, please everyone do your duty. Go to mettaxistock.com. Give what you can to the lines of defending freedom. They are fighting for you, for your children, for your grandchildren. They're fighting for America. They're fighting for the Constitution.

We've had them on. We'll have them on in the future. they are doing this. And if they weren't doing it, I don't know where we would be. I don't know where somebody like Jack Phillips goes. You lose your freedoms. This is what happens. So you have to step up.

Go to Metaxus Talk.com. Click on the banner. Let me remind you also, if you're able, go to SalemNow.com. There's a film there, no vacancy, starring Dean Kane, Sean Young. We've talked about it on this program. There's a lot of stuff at Salem Now.com. Earlier today, we talked to our friend Bryce Eddie about the border battle, the six-part series that's there.

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