The Eric Metaxas Show - James Howard Kunstler (continued)

Episode Date: August 4, 2022

James Howard Kunstler continues his interview surrounding "The Geography of Nowhere"; then, Michael Pack talks about his important documentary about Judge Clarence Thomas.

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But, you know, politically, I was never a lefty, really. And I had my first encounter with politics in a strange way when I was a college student. I ran for student government president as a joke when I was a sophomore, and I won the election. And all of a sudden, I was in this position in 1968, 69, 68 and 69, which was the height of the Vietnam War and also the height of the beginning of the hippie age going sour, because that would be the summer of Charlie Manson and Altamont. And Woodstock, which, you know, was not altogether bad, but had some elements that weren't so appetizing. And so hippieddom was kind of going south. And I was tussling with student radicals, you know, who were making my life miserable in this job I had.

And what college were we? I was a SUNY college. It was one of their four-year liberal arts colleges in the wilderness of upstate New York. You saw clear enough to where the radicals were, you could see that they were all. saw was that they were despots, even in 1968. Marxist despots. It was absolutely clear that, you know, they were Trotskyites, they were despots, they wanted to, you know, basically march you around and tell you what to do. And I could see that very clearly.

And, you know, it's been coming on for the next 55 years, you know. But, I mean, look, there's no question. You know, you talk about narratives. There's one narrative that sort of says there is no God. The state is God. power is God. There's no right or wrong. There's just power. And we want to get us some of that power, and we want to tell people what to do. And that's, to me, the short version of Marxism, communism, whatever. I mean, evil eventually kind of stumbles into that kind of form, usually, I should say. And then there are people naive enough to think that I love America. I believe in freedom. I believe we the people should have a voice. And, you know, the founder's vision. But it really was in the 60s at the time you're talking about that that begins to get kicked so much that it no longer has a voice in elite circles. Yeah.

And, you know, there are a couple of things that are going on with the leftism that I grew up with and I've seen evolve. One is that they're really not interested in ideology. That's a pretense. I would say it's a mistake to get sucked into battles over their ideological ideas. Yes. What they're really interested in is simply coercion and punishment. They want to coerce other people and they want to punish their adversaries and as sadistically as possible. They are the Jacobins of our time. And what we're in now is a Jacobin rebellion.

And one of its main aims is to make sure that there are no discernible boundaries left in anything. but especially in social behavior. So, you know, that's really where they're at. But you're making the point, if you don't have ideology, it's because you don't believe in good or evil. You just believe in power. You want it. You want power, and you want to wield it.

You want to make people do what you want them to do. By power, it's not even power with a capital P. It's capital with a small P, which is just pushing people around, you know, making other people submit to your will. And, you know, it's a desponding. impulse that's basically pathological, sociopathic, antisocial. And it's happening because there is a greater dynamic at play in contemporary life right now. And that is something I've been writing about for the last 20 years. And that's the collapse of techno-industrial economies. And it's such a

trauma for the human race that we're responding to it with this craziness, just sheer sheer loss of touch with reality. We can't imagine having to let go of the stuff that we're going to be compelled to let go of, namely a whole lot of comfort and convenience and certainty. Now, so your proposition is that people sense that happening? Yeah, I think they apprehend it sort of semi-subconsciously in the back of their consciousness. it's similar to what you said about your take on suburbia. You couldn't articulate what your emotional reaction to that environment was

because it was so complex and disordering to one's own emotions. And it's the same thing with this event that I call the Long Emergency, which was the title of my 2005 book, which is this period of history that we're going through, where we have to leave a certain living arrangement behind and make a new living arrangement. And the implications are so distressing to us. And I think that the guy who describes the process the best these days

is Matthias Desmet, the psychologist and professor from the University of Ghent, who has just published his book, the psychology of totalitarianism. Can anything good come out of Belgium? French fries with mayonnaise? So this guy's in Ghent? And his name, say it again? Matthias Desmet.

And he's dragged this idea into the arena of public discussion called mass formation psychosis. And it's really an extension of the same things that Hannah Arendt was talking about. And she, of course, was describing it in relation to the craziness of Germany in the 1930s and 40s. But it's a similar process in which, you know, a certain portion of the population just kind of goes nuts

and starts to create a lot of trouble for itself and for everybody else in the culture. And that's where we're at right now. And is there anything that, well, what is your evidence because I just want to be clear in my own mind, but also for the audience, when you say that we have a sense that we're losing our ability to live as we have lived

or whatever. Well, it's obvious in just the details of everyday life. You know, we lead our life, we lead our lives in America around motoring and that's becoming increasingly difficult in weird

ways. It's not just the fact that gasoline is $5 a gallon. It's also the fact that because the middle class is getting crushed so badly, they're losing their credit worthiness. They can't even buy cars the way Americans are used to buying cars on installment loans. The cars are getting so expensive that they're way beyond any conceivable loan arrangement that you could make that would make sense.

The car dealers have been trying everything possible to soften that by, you know, lengthening the terms of the loans and everything. But that's over. The basic message that Americans are getting is one way or another, mass motoring is over and so is everything connected with it. including where you live. And it's tremendously distressing. You are so far ahead of me on this that I'm embarrassed because this is not the kind of thing that I ever think about. Well, now you're going to think about it. I don't want to.

But you, so when you say this kind of thing, look, I live in Manhattan. I don't drive much. But you're saying that this is happening now. Yeah, this is happening now. I mean, also, we're faced with other quandaries is like our money is losing value. That's easier to see.

That's easier to see, and it's very direct, and it hits people in the gut. And, you know, they see that their children are not getting educated. They see that their children are acting psychotically, you know, deciding that they were born in the wrong body. You know, they're getting a lot of messages that their culture and their economy are both disordered. And they get it very clearly.

but they don't have a clue what to do with it. And I'll tell you what the clue really is and what it has to be. We're just going to have to get with the program. We're going to have to downscale almost everything in American life and relocalize it and decentralize it. Yeah, that's what you write about. That's what you've talked about. And when we come back, I want to explore that.

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Jim, you were just talking about the remedy, the long emergency. Now, that's your book from 2005. Right. Would that be the primer to read on what we're discussing if somebody is listening and they say, I don't get this? That and the 2012 campaign. which is called Too Much Magic, wishful thinking, technology, and the fate of the nation.

And what is that referring to? Well, it's about what the response to the lung emergency is, tending to be a kind of techno-narcissism, you know, this idea that technology is going to rescue us from this dynamic set of problems and quandaries that we face, you know, the problem we face with our basic primary source energy supply, petroleum, the quandaries we face over the disorders of finance, the quandaries we face with farming and food production, geopolitics, you know, these things are all related with the

winding down of the global economy, which was our mode of operations for about 40 years. You make it sound inevitable. It is inevitable. And to me, I guess my question is whether, you know, when you're, you know, when you When you talk about people acting crazy and you talk about it, a lot of these things, to my mind, at least, do have answers. In other words, I think it's not like we just have to say, okay, everybody's going to be confused about how many sexes there are or whatever. We all know there are two. I mean, most people just know that.

But we live in a world where the elites who have the microphones act as though, no, no, no. No, 10 minutes ago, we all decided it's no longer true. But you're not going to have any success with those arguments because those arguments are all a deflection of the greater question, which is how are we going to live in the decades ahead? How are we going to reorganize American life? And, of course, there's an analog to techno-narcissism, and that's organizational narcissism, the idea that there's going to be some top-down, you know, reset of life in Western Siv. and that is precisely the Klaus Schwab or Schwabben-Klaus, as I call him, the Schwab-N-Klausian answer to that. But that's not really how things work.

Life is emergent. Things, you know, the human project is self-organizing. And the Schwabin-Klaus' of the world are not going to march it around in any kind of a great reset. It will reset, but it will reset, you know, in a grassroots way from people. people making decisions about how they're going to thrive under very different conditions. But people like Klaus Schwab are working hard to make it so that we don't have choices. In other words, they're right. Right.

And you're saying that you think that we will push back enough that we will have choices. I just don't think that Klaus Schwab and his gang are going to make any of that work. You know, for example, this whole idea of a digital currency, you know, it's, uh, uh, the, The idea is that the government will give everybody some kind of a digital account, stuff it with money so that they'll get used to going out and spending it, and then they'll be trapped in this digital monetary prison where all of their purchases are tracked and all of their behavior is controlled. Well, first of all, I don't think Americans are going to stand for that,

but we have to remember one other thing, too. Digital currencies are utterly dependent on a reliable electric grid and a reliable internet. And these are two of the most fragile technological things in our world. So you think both of those things could go down? I mean, I always know theoretically they could, but you think that they could and they might. No question about it.

And as that occurs, you know, that would kind of be one of the great inflection points of this long emergency. We could all go back to 1970. No, we had a last. Electric, we had a reliable electricity in 1970. I'm just saying, or whatever. But to me, there is something extremely appealing about the idea that we would throw away our phones and the internet. You know, it really is, it has become a kind of a bondage.

Obviously, we've all, you know, most of us have merrily trotted down this path. But it's mostly annoying and anxiety creating. And so I think that some of that would be good. It seemed like a good idea at the time. It seemed like a good idea at the time. But how do you see, for example, the electric grid failing? I mean, how does that? It's the biggest machine in the world.

It has the most inflection points of potential failure. And, you know, it has failed before. It's going to fail in the future. Also, we're having very serious problems with the fuel that we use for, you know, generating all of our power, whether it's the motive power of the automobile or the stationary. electricity of power plant. So that's going to be just an enormous problem, and we can't face it. We went through this 10 years of the shale oil miracle kind of trying to persuade ourselves that that was going to change everything.

You said this the last time you were on this program. You don't believe drill, baby drill, and we can frack our way out. No, the business model for shale oil is also broken. It's not like conventional oil. It's very different in both geological properties and in the financing of it. And it never penciled out. You know, after 10 years of doing shale oil, we learned that you couldn't really make money doing it. It costs too much to get it out of the ground. And so, you know, it was a great demonstration project during this strange era of financial zero interest rates.

But, you know, it's not going to work. And they can't attract new investment. So it's going to incrementally go down, and that's going to be the end of that. And everybody's going to be driving electric cars? No, we're not going to be driving electric cars. What are we going to be doing? Riding bikes? If we're smart, well, you know, bicycles could even be problematical because they actually require a lot of sophisticated metallurgy and manufacturing and, you know, long supply chains.

Look at it, let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. To answer that very big question, I wrote four non-examination. between 2008 and 2018. They were under the rubric of the World Made by Hand series. They're on my website down there below the blog. And it was my attempt to depict a world that would exactly what that world post-economic techno-industrial economic collapse would be like,

what it would feel like, what it would look like, you know, what it would taste like, you know, what the textures and flavors of it would be. It's very, very direct in particular. So anybody who wants to get an idea of what I think the future is going to be. I think it's going to know we're going to have a smaller population. We're going to have fewer comforts and conveniences. People are going to be working harder at anything they do. They're going to be working with people around them, people they know.

we're going to have to rebuild local economic matrices. But that's a good thing. Mostly it's going to be a good thing because the human project will continue, but it will continue at a slower pitch than a smaller scale. And the catch is we have no idea what kind of period of disorder we have to go through on the journey to that new disposition of things. See, that's the question. Where are we now?

We're at the beginning of that journey. We're at the beginning of that journey, and it's a hard journey. It is disordering our culture to think about it and to even perceive it without clearly thinking about it. And that disorder we're generating is now starting to infect all areas of our lives, including very, very crucial ones, like how we're going to be able to generate enough income to live on, you know, how we're going to repair the stuff. the common goods in our world, the bridges, the, you know, the civic projects that we have to do. How are we going to do any of that? We don't know.

All we know is, you know, I think all you can say with certainty is we're going to be moving into a period of capital scarcity, resource scarcity, and a great deal of geopolitical disorder. I guess I have some hope because I think Americans are waking up to the corruption, to the madness of what is now the obviously Marxist left. And many people are willing to make sacrifices to get involved, to elect people who stand against that heroic figures. And by the way, what I'm saying doesn't obviate that. You know, I think that there will be all kinds of sincere and earnest political activity as this occurs. So, you know, that that's in the picture too. It's just a question of really how are we going to ride this wave, this great wave,

and how are we going to arrange our lives and the lives of our families and communities so that we can thrive under very different circumstances? Okay, 30 seconds in this segment, do you think Biden finishes his term? I think Biden's finished. I think that the trip to Saudi Arabia finished him off. It's really only a matter of, you know, how they're going to drop kick him out of the White House. So we will finally have a fake black woman president. For a while. The moment we've been praying for. No, her incompetence and ineptitude is it's almost comic.

I think it will be good for the country if she were in the White House because it's just beyond anything you could possibly imagine. We're going to be right back talking to James Howard Cuncelor. My Pillow is having their biggest sheet sale of the year. You've all helped build my pillow into the amazing. company it is today. Now Mike Lundell, inventor and CEO wants to give back exclusively to his listeners. The per kale bed sheet set is available in a variety of colors and sizes, and they're all on sale. For example, the queen's size, regularly priced at 89.99 is now only 3998 without a listener

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his term. I'm convinced he will either have a stroke or be shoved away by Elizabeth Warren and other harpies so that they can get a crack at, you know, driving the boat. Yeah. It's kind of hard to see how that's going to play out. I do think that if he does manage to hang around another, you know, eight months or so, he'll be impeached. And, you know, he's got a crime trail behind him that is just stupendous. Actually, but don't you think, for me, the big news is that things are so bad that the media is not reporting on that. In other words, like in a sane world, first of all, he never would have gotten into the

White House, much less been able to avoid this scandal. It's just an amazing thing that all these big papers that they think of themselves as, you know, journalists, they're not covering something that really does make Watergate look like a water balloon fight. Yeah, it's really strange. They've become kind of the catamites of the Democratic Party. Ouch. Thank you. Well, that's not a bad word.

No, of course not. It's just a very specific word. Of course not. Look it up, folks. Yeah, look it up. Anyway, they're, you know, they're now so deep. into their own pervasive dishonesty and intellectual racketeering, the media I'm talking about, that I don't think that they see a way out for themselves.

And so all they can do is keep on digging deeper and deeper into this pit of, this hell pit of dishonesty that they've put themselves in. Well, I mean, at some point the snake, you know, swallowing its own tail, it disappears, perhaps with an audible pop. I don't know how that's going to happen. but it does feed on itself. Look, it's like you, you know, you reference the Jacobins. I mean, it eventually eats itself today.

It destroys itself. There's no other way. What will probably happen with, you know, the news media being the institutionalized as they are. Some of them will go down. Some of them will disappear. But I think most of them will, once this, the madness phase, the Jacobin phase of this present, present present present

disorder goes by, I think they'll just pretend that it never happened. That'll be there out. Yeah. And some of them will, you know, many reputations will be tarnished.

And, you know, there are going to be losses and prices to pay. We've been living through a period of history in America that I call the age of anything goes and nothing matters. So that, you know, you can get away with just about everything and so many people have.

So many people have created such just vicious mischief and gotten away with it. And it only encourages more people to try to do that. So you don't think Hillary Clinton will be hanging upside down from a lamp post? Oh, I think it's possible that some of these people will be. You know, I think Merrick Garland's going to be impeached if he sticks around. You know, I think a lot of people in government are actually in jeopardy. I mean, did you read that, what's her name, Dr. Burks? Yeah, Deborah Burks.

Barbara Brooks had, you know, doctored the, quote, unquote, the information that she was passing on. And she was hiding the information from the White House, and she was making stuff up. And, you know, she was just really sort of making the whole thing up as she went along. And, you know, let's face it, during those first months of COVID, just about everybody was confused about where this thing was going and what it really represented. But she sure didn't help by, you know, joining in the pervasive disconcessive. She's a good guy compared to Fauci. I don't know about that. I think that they're both bad guys. It's just that Fauci has been added so much longer.

You know, as we know from reading Bobby Kennedy's book about, you know, his money-grubbing dishonesty goes back, you know, to the early 1980s. He's been added for 40 years. And I don't know if he will pay a price. He's very old now. He did say something interesting the other day that he's not going to resign until the end of the first Biden term. Yeah. But, you know, if that's the case, he's going to find after the November election, if it happens, he's going to find himself in front of a lot of Senate and congressional committees having to answer some real questions for the first time.

Maybe he'll slip away to Argentina and then the Mossad will have to get him. Yeah, well, that's one possibility. Except that they could do it. it. They'd at least be competent enough to do it. The Mossad is not woke. They don't have transgender agents. No, for the most part, they're not woke like Upper East Side liberals, you know. Right. And they don't, you know, I think that they're not afflicted with that kind of pernicious sense of Tikun Olam that has made them, you know, a messianic force. That is the East Side liberals. The Israelis, I think, are much more hard-headed.

Well, obviously, because of their situation. You know, it's very hard to explain why they've vexed up the whole nation. That is, there are certain things that are mystifying. Yep. That's one. Yeah, but like I said, a few minutes ago, you know, at the beginning of this COVID thing, just about everybody was confused, including a lot of intelligent people. Yeah, including them.

Well, we, the disinformation with regard to the vaccine, I mean, I was, for me, the idea, when people tell you shut up, you can't talk about that, that's when you know something's wrong. And so when they said, don't even talk about, you know, not getting the vaccine, how dare you? I thought, okay, that's how I know I shouldn't get it or I should at least be wary of it. And the information that has come out in terms of the harms caused by these vaccines, it's nothing less than astonishing. except far more astonishing is the fact that we've acted, you know, this is like Tuskegee experiment or something. Like some elites simply don't care who is affected and how they're affected. We'll be right back, folks, talking to James Howard Kunstler, whom you must look up.

Hey, folks, it's the show about everything, the Eric Mtaxas show, the show about everything. And every now and again, I have a guest who can talk about everything. James Howard Kunstler is my guest today. We're talking about everything. We're talking about the vaccines and stuff. But I keep hearing of, you know, healthy people just had a hard. A friend of mine, somebody I know, 59 years old, very healthy, runs marathons, whatever, just had a heart attack. Got the vaccine. And I think to myself, okay, I don't know, but in this day and age, it's hard for me not to think that that had something to do with it. It's happening all over the place. I'm getting tons of.

of letters from people who are telling me about all the people they know who are injured or who have even died. But, you know, the most astonishing thing of all is that under the circumstances of all of these injuries and deaths, that American public health officials are still out there coaxing people to get vaccinated. It's absolutely... What do you make of that? I think it's the most insane element of all of the insanity that surrounds us right now, because it looks like it's homicidal. It looks like it's genocidal. It looks like they're trying to kill people. But see, isn't that the point, when somebody suggested, you know, way back that Governor Cuomo, once upon a time there was a Governor Cuomo and then another Governor Cuomo. And the second

Governor Cuomo was sending people to nursing homes who had COVID. And people were saying that he's trying to kill people. He's trying to kill people. He's trying to kill. And I thought to myself, or I actually said, I said, come on, look, as bad as these folks are, they wouldn't be doing that. And as the months have ticked by, I've come to the nightmare conclusion that they would, which is very hard for me to process in America. I mean, it's one thing to say the Nazis were trying to kill people. I get that. It's very hard for me to think that Americans who grew up, you know, as contemporaries of ours, that they would be so cavalier about human life, that they would be so cold. blooded? Well, Eric, it's hard to come to any other conclusion because we know the vaccines don't

work. We know that they know that they don't work. We know that they're creating tremendous numbers of injuries and deaths. They know it, although they won't acknowledge it. And yet they're behaving the way they are. They're trying to, you know, jam these vaccines into every arm they can. You know, luckily fewer and fewer Americans are falling for this now. But the damage has largely been done. And now we have to kick back over the next six months and see what's going to happen. Well, yeah, you wonder, who do you sue? Somebody dies or something happens. Well, it's certainly not going to be the pharmaceutical companies themselves because they were given a pass,

although there is a catch to that. If you can demonstrate that they committed fraud, then that obviates all of their liability from prosecution. Well, it's one thing to think the pharmaceutical industry... Excuse me. I misspoke. obvious they're being excused from liability. I can understand how the pharmaceutical giants could be greedy monsters and pigs and not care about life. But it seems that everyone, all the other elites, participated in this. That's what's so baffling to me. Yeah. Well, I think it's baffling

to just about everybody because, you know, these people are high IQ leaders who have, you know, risen to the tops of their nations, and they're all doing the same thing. And, you know, it's one of those things that makes you have to entertain the idea that this great reset program is for real. Now, I've been telling my readers for years that I'm allergic to conspiracy theories, and I pretty much disdain them mostly. Yeah. But this, it's a little hard to get around the fact that it looks like they're trying to kill a lot of people. I just want that. to sink in. I mean, the fact that you could say that, I could hear it,

and it's almost incomprehensible. And I don't work for, you know, I don't work for a company, I don't work for a college or anything, so I'm not afraid of saying that. Yeah. But I think that, you know, there are an awful lot of people who are stuck in their institutional

nature or whatever, especially the medical profession, you know, of course, I'd go a little bit further and I'd say the doctors have completely disgraced and dishonored them. by going along with this nonsense, especially going along with not offering people the simple early treatments they could have availed themselves of and didn't do that. And that's a crime, but, you know, it's a vast, you know, it's a vast crime.

Well, but listen, you know, because you're ethnically Jewish and because I am ethnically German and have written about the rise of the Nazis, I think back, what do, you know, we look back and what do we expect of your average person under the Nazis? You expect them to be heroic to do the right thing, knowing it's going to cost them their job at the university, whatever, because it's the right thing. And that's what we expect of people now. So the idea that people... Wait, wait, who did that? Who did that in the Nazi regime?

No, but that's my point. Yeah. But that's my point. But that is how dare anyone say that, you know, oh, the Germans were, they were really, bad if we are being precisely as bad now because we are precisely unwilling to say true things because we're worried about a cocked eyebrow or maybe losing my job or something like that, people don't seem to care, at least if there are many people speaking up, but those who aren't, most of the folks are not.

Not enough. Well, right. And not enough of the right people. And I think if you read Matthias Desmetz's book, the Psychology of Totalitarianism, You will understand how we got to this, you know, how a nation of profoundly alienated, lonely, worried, anxious people fell for this bad trip that's been laid on them. And we haven't even talked about the election. Do you see 2,000 mules by any chance? Of course. You did?

Yeah, sure. Are you convinced as I am that Biden was not elected? I am. Yeah. I, you know, my basic, you know, my basic. understanding of the situation is that the election was extremely sketchy with philonious activity happening in many swing states. And I doubt that Joe Biden was fairly elected. I think the whole thing was a con job. And we're allowed to talk about that on this program, which is itself miraculous. I don't know how it's possible for us to talk about things. Oh, I don't know, that are true or probably true. It's amazing. So I thank God for Salem Radio Network that they haven't said. You can't talk about that

because everyone has to talk about everything. That's true. We're at a time. But Jim, James Howard Cuncelor, I'm just really grateful for your voice. Thrilled, you just happen to be in New York. I'm going to try to catch your act tonight at the Comedy Club at wherever you're appearing tonight and to be continued. But folks, look up my first. friend James Howard Cuncelor. And Jim, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure. Folks, the headline is we need your help.

What do I mean by that? I mean at least three things by that. Number one, if it's possible for you to get to be part of our studio audience, August 3rd, 4th, and 5th and 8th in New York, this week, it starts about 4 o'clock every day. We're taping the late night, the talk show with Eric Metaxus. It is a mainstream TV talk show. We don't have time to get into it now, but it's nuts. We've got a lot of mainstream guests.

It's going to be a blast. We can't share most of it with you yet. But if you can get there, go to Eric Mataxis.com. You'll see where it says speaking or schedule, whatever, and you click on it. Every day you can sign up through Eventbrite. We'd love you there all four days or just one day. You can bring as many people as you want to sign them up. but this is going to be a wild, fun thing.

We need some fun, folks. We need some fun because there's a lot of tough stuff going on, but we want you to be there. Please do what you can. That's number one. Number two, if you follow me on social media, let me just ask you, instead of liking what I put there, would you retweet it or would you share it?

Would you share it on Facebook? I'm trying to get a lot of information out. And I don't think I've ever said this before, but a lot of times people will like something. We need to get the word out. are being suppressed. We know that what we're doing, whether we're being shadow banned, I don't mean to sound like, you know, like the, like Chicken Little. This is actually, or not chicken little. Who am I looking for? Oh, the boy you cried Wolf. This is actually happening.

We need your help, folks, to multiply our message. Everything we put out, it's a struggle. So whatever you can do to help us. And speaking of helping us, as you know, every couple times a year, we try to raise funds for an organization that we think worthy. At the top of the list is food for the poor. Food for the poor is an amazing Christian nonprofit relief organization. They go where there is a need. And I just want to tell you right now, they are helping families who have fled the Ukraine. Now, we don't need to get into the politics of it. These are people that are suffering. and we want to show them the love of God. We want to help them.

Food for the poor, I can't think of anybody that I would trust more to do that. So Food for the Poor is partnering with a number of Christian organizations, relief organizations, ministry partners to get food, literal food to these families that have fled their homes. They've left everything behind. If you know anybody who's ever been through anything like this, my parents experienced this kind of thing, it's hellish. and we want to show them the love of God.

So I want to ask you simply to call this number to help, or you can just go to the banner. Our banner is metaxis talk.com. That's the radio banner. We want you to give. We want you to give generously. We just want everybody who listens to this program to do what you can. By God's grace, we are able to do something.

Let's do what we can. So please go to metaxis talk.com. Or you can call this number. I'll give it to you right now. 844-863 hope. Please dial that number. Please give what you can now. It's August 1st.

We don't have a lot of time to do this. It's always the struggle. God bless you as you give. 844-863 hope. 8-4-8-6-3 hope. These are people that are struggling, and we need to do what we can to help them. 844-863 hope.

844-863 hope. Metaxisttalk.com. you'll see the banner there and albin and i will uh shortly let you know everybody uh who gives anything uh we will put your names in a in a in a in a hat so to speak proverbial hat and we'll we'll have a number of grand prize winners we want to give you sign books and all kinds of things and i always say anybody who can give 10,000 dollars as tax deductible i'd be delighted to have dinner with you to spend an evening with you we always uh managed to make that work so remember 844 8 6 or 844-863 Hope or go to metaxus talk.com. God bless you.