The Eric Metaxas Show - James Kearny

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

James Kearny sang in the exclusive Yale Whiffenpoofs club and shares stories from his world travels, his conversion to Christianity and, today as a pastor, his battles with the demonic.

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Oh, boy. It's Monday. Albin. It's Monday. It happens every time I repeat myself. I'm like, I don't know where to begin. First of all, ladies and gentlemen, yesterday, I preached at a church in Bethel, Connecticut, called his vineyard. And my mom and dad were there. And Albin was there.

Albin, that's you. That was me and my wife. And your wife. And I still can't believe that we were all together. Yeah, it was something. And Keith Junta, who was on the. this program last week. Wipe every tear.

Keith Jinta was there with his wife, Jill. I've known them for 33 years. And lots of other friends. Joel and Marge Crosley. I mean, honestly, friends that I haven't seen in years. And Amanda Grace. And Amanda Grace and her husband, Chris, we'll have Amanda Grace back on the program.

But she was there. The whole thing was crazy. I'll put pictures out in my newsletter. Hurry up and sign up. Eric Mataxis.com for the newsletter because you'll see. You'll see. But yesterday was a huge a blessing for me that I got to speak in that church, his vineyard church in Bethel, Connecticut. That's an amazing little church, I got to tell you. And folks, you really have to click on that link and hear Eric's message because it really was dynamite. I got to say in all seriousness, it was

good. You're not just saying that. I am just saying that, but in all seriousness, I'm saying that. Okay. Well, it's, I kind of let it rip. It was kind of like I had a freedom like I haven't felt in a long And by the way, when I walked in, somebody recognized me and said, oh, I didn't realize you were that tall. So I'm trying to sit a little higher. You know what? Normally, I get, I didn't realize you were that short. It's true. Like, I think people assume that everybody is like 5-11. And if you're below that, they go, you're shorter than I thought. If you're doing it. Anyway, okay, we got to say a few important things here. Number one. This is a crazy week on this program. This is old Yale week. Okay. Everybody knows, I'm class of 84. I'm going to be talking. Today, to Class of 79 Yaleie, James Carney. It's a Miracle Monday story. It is an amazing story coming up after this segment. His whole story all the way to the end,

and we're going to have him back to talk more. Insane, ladies and gentlemen, Class of 79 Yale University, James Carney coming up. Tomorrow, and for much of the rest of the week, I'm talking to Naomi Wolf in studio. She was in my class at Yale. and I can't believe we got her here in the studio, really looking forward to that hugely. Just so blessed to see her face.

It's like amazing that she's here with us. Talking to John Zmirak, he's class of 86. So it's kind of like hilarious that this is happening. So a couple of the things I've got to share with you. Socrates and City coming up, as you know, February 28th. I want to be real clear. My guest, Eugenia Constantino, when she was on this program a year ago, we might play that Friday. I said, I got to get this woman to Socrates in the city in New York City.

If you can get there, I'm telling you, you'll see she's a big deal. Her book, The Grues Fiction of the King of Glory, it's a devotional work. It's a work of scholarship that's also to bring you closer to Jesus. And Lent is coming up, so she's perfect. Well, that's why. So that's, but that's soxies and the city.com. I also want to say, we have a new, am I reading these scripts?

Like, I can't really understand. I think you're just letting people know. I'm just letting people know that the Israeli Ministry of Tourism is, is basically an advertiser on the program. And you can go to holyland. dot Israel. Travel. But you'll be hearing more on that.

Okay. We have to talk about this. We are, as you know, raising funds. The earthquake, there's so much craziness going on. We're not even talking about the Super Bowl.

But there's a lot of craziness going on. I mean, they're shooting down unidentified flying objects. Let me be. honest with you. Like if they're from like aliens, I don't think we'd be shooting them down so easily. So that's like clearly it's some Chinese thing or some sci-ops thing. It's like skeet shooting with this administration. Pull. I mean, but that's, it makes no sense. Well, they're trying to make up for the other. And they're trying to get us to look away from all the other nightmares. Exactly. And

and so, but there's so much going on. And sometimes I see this program as a respite from all of that. Sometimes we focus, we home in on what's happening now, as we will with Naomi Wolf. But at the same time, sometimes that we need to look away. So in today's program, we're going to be looking away. James Carney's story is amazing, uplifting, phenomenal. But in terms of what is happening right now, that is of actual concern, not baloney, but real stuff, you know that there was an utterly devastating earthquake in Turkey and Syria. over the weekend, the death toll spiraled up to 35,000.

This is just madness. Folks, you can't comprehend this. The extent of tragedy, loss of life, it's almost unbelievable. I want you to realize that whatever else is going on, what's in the news, we always kind of follow, you know, the butterfly, whatever, the shiny object. This is happening now, and we should respond. So thanks to folks like you, our friends at the Christian nonprofit, Food for the Poor, are rushing emergency food, medical supplies, clean water to the hardest hit areas.

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This is James Bond, the actor who plays James, Daniel Craig, talking about what is happening. Let me play that right now. The casualty figures in Turkey and Syria right now are staggering. As the attempts to save more people under the rubble continue, the big challenge ahead is to help the millions who have survived it. Countless injured need vital medicine or hospital care. and those now homeless face the freezing winter without any shelter, food, or clean water. You can help them now by donating online. Whatever you can manage, every penny will make a difference.

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Patriotmobile.com slash Eric or call them at 878 Patriot. Get free activation today with the offer code Eric. Folks, we've got to remind you. I don't want you to miss this is an emergency appeal. The tragedy in Turkey and Syria, 35,000 dead. this is unbelievable. We need you to help ASAP. We're going to keep hitting this until everybody responds. You do what you can do. You can go to metaxis talk.com and click on the banner and give, please. Or you can text the keyword Eric to 911-99. Text the keyword Eric to 911-999. Or if you prefer to call 855-863-4673, please, call 855-863-4673. This is an emergency. Please help. Hey there, folks. I'm excited because I have a new friend. Some of you heard me talk about this.

When John Zmirak and I had our Odyssey in Seattle in the Pacific Northwest, we didn't have plans on that Saturday night. And we were contacted by our new friend Andrew. McDermott from the Discovery Institute said, hey, if you guys want to come, I'll get some pastors together and we can have dinner someplace. And we went to Bucca di Beppo, an Italian chain restaurant that I have mixed feelings about. And when I arrived there, I met a number of people just delightful people. But one of them, the Reverend Dr. James Carney was absolutely different. Why? Because he claimed at some point in the conversation to be a Yale graduate. I said, what? I'm in the Pacific Northwest with some pastors

that are all extremely bearded. This clean-shaven man looks kind of like he might have graduated from Yale. So folks, without further ado, my new friend, the Reverend Dr. James Carney, as an art carny from the honeymooners. James, welcome. That's so good to be here. And it's so good to have a new friend in you, Eric. I've wanted to meet you for years. Well, you're very kind and flattering. Thank you for saying that.

But I have to tell you, you know, when we got to talking that night at that hackneyed cliche of a restaurant. I'm sorry. I was so embarrassed. I meant delightful mockery of the Italian people. You said a few things, and I thought, you know, when you said you graduated Yale in 79, I thought, whoa, like what? Like, what are you doing here? Who are you? And you start telling your story.

And I thought, I want you to tell that story on my program and how you got involved in deliverance ministry and the demonic, completely unexpected, crazy stuff. So, you know, where do we start, James? Where did you grow up? Let's start there. Well, I'm a product of the Navy. So my dad, my grandfather, my great-grandfather, in fact, my great-great-grandfather came to Seattle in 1855 with a distress call to help Seattle in terms of their first battle of Seattle against the local natives

that were trying to massacre the city. So this was not the Mariners. This was the actual people of Seattle. Yeah, and in looking at it, I actually found they had a lot of reasons to be angry, but that's another story. The local natives had reason to be angry or the Seattle people who were infiltrating that part of the world? Well, after a few of them were massacred, they had reasons to be angry. But I think that a lot of the treaties that were established Seattle were immensely unfair. And so there was a lot of local anger.

Yeah. And that was not isolated to Seattle. No, it's an American story. Oh, it's horrifying. It's horrifying. But, okay, so the Navy. But I was raised in the Navy. So I was actually born in the island of Malta, right?

Oh, go on. No, I know. Did a snake affix itself to your hand when you went to reach for the firewood? Come on. Did it happen? It didn't happen. You were born on the island of Malta where. Paul was shipwrecked 2,000 years ago.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you were born in the island of Malta, so you can't become president of the United States. But keep going. I think you're the first person on this program who's been born in the island of Malta. So, Albin, I think, is going to send you a check or a teddy bear or some kind of gift. Well, good. So I asked my mother if I could become a citizen in Malta.

She said, sure, but you'd have to go live there. And that'd be worse than anything I could do to you. So wait a minute. So how long? So you were born there, so obviously you don't remember living there, but your mother was not a fan of living in Malta for whatever reason. No, no, but here's the funny thing. The reason I was born in Malta is because of the Maltese postmaster.

I think the reason you were born in Malta was because it's where your mother was at the time. Well, it was, but she came to Malta pregnant with my sister, had my sister sent for birth control, but being a Catholic country, tree. So it was intercepted by the postmaster. He called her into the office and gave with the package of her whatever in back of him opened, gave her a lecture on the evils of birth control. She's mortified, right? This little 20-year-old something from America in the 50s. She goes and then ask for some more birth control from through the Navy. But before it came, that, uh, that's, I mean, That is absolutely level.

You may, you kind of, when you said it, you said, my mother came to Malta, pregnant with my sister, and I thought you were going to say, and oddly enough, gave birth to me instead. And I was going to say, I don't believe that story. That's a lie. But, but you, wow, I love this. That's actually, that's pretty, that's pretty amazing. Hey, listen, I'm one of those evangelicals that agrees with the Catholics on all that stuff,

but we don't have time to get into that. Okay, so you're born in Malta. Where did you go from there? So to Connecticut, because my dad was in submarines, through London, then down to Newport News, because he goes picked by Rickover to be part of the nuclear program. So he was commanding officer of the James Madison. Did you say he was picked by Rickover? Yeah.

As an Admiral Rickover? Admiral. You need to use the word Admiral because not everyone in the non-naval world is, you know, going to pick up right that on, oh, yeah, Admiral Rickover. kind of a famous admiral. So your father's picked to work in the nuclear submarine program, first in the New London, Groton area, and then down in Newport News, Virginia. We went to Washington, D.C., where he went to Nuclear Power School. Nuclear Power School? They have a school?

Yeah, there's one there and one in Idaho. Okay. My dad said it just about killed him because it was hard. going to nuclear power school. Just about killed him. That's why I didn't go. Okay, keep going. I know.

All right. But they ended up in Charleston where they were developing the Polaris missiles. And then, yeah. Johnson, South Carolina, they were developing Polaris missiles? Yeah. I didn't know about that. My dad actually went out and had a little super eight movie taken of a missile taking off because he was in another submarine accompanying some test fires,

and then brought it home. We showed his home movies of missiles going off. It was completely illegal. Wow. Unbelievable. We thought it was super cool. And this is what, the early 60s? This is the 60s?

Yeah, this was the late 60s. Holy guacamole. Okay. What happened was he's gone all the time, right? Because they're all underwater and they're going around. keeping the world safe, you know, in terms of the Cold War. But he was gone all the time, and he ended up getting out. He actually broke his neck water skiing.

Behind a submarine? No, I was driving the boat. Oh. So just a little kid, and he hit a sandbar. And, of course, we were laughing at him that he got his hair wet. But he ended up having to go to the hospital. But during the 10 weeks in a striker frame, he had time to think. and in God's Providence, because he was a good Catholic, he took a Harvard School of Business course and got interested in business and got out of the Navy and then moved us to Atlanta where he became a stockbroker and a successful former military guy, which I'm...

So basically a lazy, shiftless man is what you're trying to tell us. I am so proud of my dad. Holy cow. That's kind of amazing. Okay, so where are you now? Where do you end up now? Okay, so then he's really, you know, wanting me to advance. He puts me to prep school, go to Yale. But the big, and then I go to Yale and have a great time at Yale because he went to Yale too. So he was super excited about that.

I didn't want to go because it looked like everybody was working too hard, which they were. And as you know, but it was the 70s. So I also found how to not just work hard, but to play hard. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. And so this leads more into my testimony, if I could talk a little bit about that. Try to avoid the subject of God on my program, if you don't mind.

If you don't mind. Try to walk us around that. I was a good time in Catholic. As my mother said, he said, no one had a better time at Yale than GM. Your mother has a Charleston accent. What's that? Where is she from? Actually, she doesn't, but it just sounds.

better when you give it a southern accent. It's a Malta accent. Okay, so, so you go to Yale, and you are a, you're a good guy, but you think of yourself as a Catholic. You are a Catholic, but you're not a good Catholic. You're not walking with God. Therefore, you're doing what people do in universities, and when we come back, we're going to hear the rest of the story. This is some crazy stuff, folks. It involves the whiff and poofs, not joking. Don't go away. Tell me why Relief Factor is so successful at lowering or eliminating pain. I'm often asked that question just the other night. I was asked that question.

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This is the 70s. And I assume that includes drinking and various drugs. How did you get involved in the whiff and poofs? And tell my audience so I don't have to what the whiff and poofs are. Okay. So I was a guy who in high school found himself not in sports, but in theater and in singing and did quite a bit of singing and traveling around. And what prep school did you go to?

So it was the Westminster School for Bowes in Atlanta. Where? Bois. Atlanta. It was the Westminster School for girls, but they were on the field. I have a, my friend, one of my best friends from Yale who I had a long conversation with on the phone literally yesterday, he went to the Westminster School for boys. Oh, no. You were kidding me.

No. No. And I've actually spoken at the Westminster School for boys in Atlanta. Yeah. Okay. So you went to the Westminster School boys. You got involved not in sports, but because you're kind of a tall, thinner guy. You got involved in theater and singing and piano, all of that. So I was an arts guy. And my best friend wanted to go to Yale. And so I went with him. There was a little group of us that went up there. So I got involved with the singing group scene. So Yale has this huge informal Acapable Acapella Singing Group scene And so I was first in the SOBs, The Society of Orvious and Bacchus. Right. And then the Whiff and Poofs is a all-male group

Or it used to be until a couple years ago. Well, let me just say, I was in two musicals at Yale. So I sang at Yale. And on the strength of my singing performance in one of the musicals, I think it was 1776, put on Calhoun College. You went to Calhoun.

I was a hoony, too. I can't believe we're both from Calhoun. Eric, the thing that you're not realizing here is as much as you're looking at me and going, what happened? How did you come to Christ? I'm looking back at you and going, how in the world did this guy that went to Yale, was formed at Yale, came to Christ? How did that jerk become a Christian?

And I'm looking at you thinking how did that jerk become a Christian? What a jerk. And how did he become a Christian? No, but seriously, it's kind of funny. I shared with you a vision that God gave me about the Calhoun Courtyard. And it is a lot of crazy things. That's why when I met you was exciting. But so we need to explain to the audience that at Yale, there are all these

Acapella singing groups, mostly male or they started out male. Now they're co-ed. But I was invited to be in one of them on the strength of my performance in 1776 as John Hancock. and I was involved to be in the Baker's Dozen and I declined. I don't know why. But the ultimate would be to be invited as a senior because it's just a one-year gig. Right. To be invited to be a member of the elite, the illustrious whiff and poofs of Yale.

Now, when did they start? What year did the Wiff and Poofs start Wiff and Poofing, I think, is the verb? Yeah, that's what my grandfather said. He used to call it all that Wiff and Poofs. Poofen. So they started in 1909 at Mori's Tavern. So to the tables down at Mori's to the place where Louis dwells to the dear old temple bar we love so well.

So they have the drinking song and they would meet every Monday night and drink and sing. Yes. And Mori's is a Yale institution. And they're there. Yeah. Yeah. So they started in 1909 there, this elite group. And they were, I mean, in previous years when when people cared about, you know,

the Ivy League and Ivy League football and all that kind of stuff. They were a very big deal. But still, so it's the late 70s. You are chosen to be a whiff and poof. I was. It was a really great honor because there was all these different undergraduate groups, the SOBs, the Baker's Dozen, the Spiswinks, you know, the Dukesmen, all these different groups. And the height was to be one of these members of this group.

There were just 14 guys, just a single year. and you were singing, we sang so much. We started our first concert after three days. We went to a cocktail party in Chatham, Massachusetts, where Ted Kennedy was at. Right. You know, Charles Schultz, I mean, this was sort of the- Was he conscious at the time? Now, Charles Schultz was a wonderful Christian, but you've got to be clear, the Wiff and Poohs

traveled literally all over the world. In your senior year, if you were chosen to be a Wiffin'Poof, You traveled all around the world, wearing white tie and tails. Big deal stuff. I did. In fact, one day I was in Monaco and had gotten a shirt from Bangkok that was red, put it in with my whites, and it turned them all pink. Right. So I'm not in white tie and tails.

I'm in pink tie and tails. Part of the poofs, right. So go figure. The whole thing's kind of coming together. That night, we had dinner with Princess Grace. of Monaco. Oh, who did it? Don't make a big deal out of it. Most people here have had dinner with Princess Grace and Monaco, right, guys? Are you kidding? You had dinner with Princess Grace in 1979? And talked with her. It was a couple years before she died. And I was really

interested in being an actor and breaking into the movies and asked her how to break into the movies. Of course, she was highly cultured and gave a very funny story of why she never gave advice to aspiring actors. But it was, I was just sitting there in my pink tie and tails. Pink tie and tails talking to Princess Grace, formerly known as Grace Kelly.

Grace Kelly. Well, we, I think we have to go to a break. We'll be right back, folks. Plenty more. You're not going to believe it. We haven't yet transitioned to the demonic talking to James Carney, spelled K-E-A-R-N-Y.

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Well, yeah, I came to Christ. And it's not that I came to Christ. I was a sincere Catholic when I went through Yale, and I loved God. And I read my Bible. I used to go to the rectory. I was on the parish council. But I used to drink with my priest. He was interested in being kind of a buddy.

And I didn't need a buddy. I needed a pastor. I needed a priest. So I led a double life. And I was really beneath all the high living and the jokes and everything, I was conflicted. And my senior year, with the whiffs, we each had a position within the group. And the guy who had the position called the nadir, which, you know, means the lowest point, he was the group drunk. And that was his position was to drink more than anyone else.

He was the bibulous false staffing figure. Yes. Well, what happened the summer before our senior year, he came to Christ. And he became as big a spiritual Christian as he had been a high-living drunk. As he had been filled with other spirits. is really the sentence you were looking for. Exactly. So he filled himself with the Holy Spirit,

and this guy came on like gangbusters. I mean, and he was talking about Jesus and just cutting a swath through the group. I was just going to imagine that at a place like, you know, Yale, especially at the Wiff and Poofs, they didn't take kindly to this kind of stuff. That cuts rather dramatically against the grain of hyper-secular, cynical Yale. Yeah, you're breaking rank.

Wow. And so he comes in and totally tease me off because I'm convicted, right? I have the position of the cook, which means I just do meals. My best friend was the position of the apothecary, which you could imagine his job in the whip and poofs, right? He's just giving you like jars of like rainbows, bennies, black beauties. Is that what we're talking about? Quailudes? What are we talking about?

Dr. Feel good. You can fill in the blank. I mean, it's fascinating that you actually had that the Wiff and Poops actually have these roles that they assign. You're supposed to be singing, but it's like a creepy kind of fraternity. It's a group of guys that are all 21, so you can imagine, you know. Anyway, so he, the Lord starts working on him, my friend Rob, and he is like not wanting anything. He doesn't want to have anything to do with Christ. Wait a minute.

So the guy who came to faith the summer before senior year, what was his? his name? His name was Jim, Jim Yant. But he was in Nadir. No, so Jim comes into the senior year, and it's like having tenure. They can't kick him out because he is officially a whiff and poof. So he comes in, he brings Jesus in, and your friend, the apothecary, you just mentioned, something starts to happen with him. Yeah, starts to stir in him. And he named Rob, and he is, he is as, I was kind of a go-for-it guy, right he was even more and and and we were we were like this we ran together all senior year well and and i remember we actually went to a in the middle of the year we went to a mass led by a charismatic priest ralph denourio who had a healing ministry right and i don't know why we went but we were

there and it was one of these things full catholic mass and then he was calling out healing you know well this is i mean we should be clear in case but people on tracking in 1979 was really the height of the charismatic movement, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, there was the Catholic charismatic movement, but, but it was in the Episcopal church, St. Paul's Daryenne, uh, which was, uh, Terry fullam. So, so, so this was going on all kinds of places. And this comes right out of the Jesus movement, um, the Jesus revolution, uh, the Jesus people. So this is really,

kind of revival happening in a way in America. And so you're talking about a piece of that. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And that's so important because we forget that Lutherans and Catholics and Presbyterians and Baptists were all getting revived by the Holy Spirit. It wasn't the Pentecostals, which tended to be more of a blue collar movement. This was all your white collar denominations getting baptized speaking and healing. Anyway, we're in the car after the mass. And my friend Rob, looks at me and he goes, Jim, because I was called Jim back then, he said, I could never be a Christian like you. And I said, what do you mean? He said, if ever I was to become a Christian, I'd have to do it all the way. And he had me dead to rights. But wait a minute. That's, he didn't realize he was, that, that's, that was a heavy statement what he said to you because he has no memory of this

movement. He cut you. He cut you. He didn't mean to cut you, but he's kind of saying like, I couldn't be a Christian one, who has one foot in the world and one foot in the church. if I were to do it, I would have to do it all the way. And that was God speaking to you through your friend inadvertently. Yes. And he was my guy, right? So there was nowhere to hide. I couldn't deflect.

And the Holy Spirit just nailed me right dead set. I mean, and I knew he was true. And it stuck in me. Well, fast forward to May, we're at the beginning of our world tour. Graduated, had gone all over the place. but now we were actually starting. We got a plane ticket on Pan Am that said, as long as you just go in one direction,

you can go as far as you want, you know. So meaning it's around the world ticket. And you can go anywhere you want it. Wow. Isn't that fun? I wish Pan Am were still a thing. But okay, so now at the end of the year, you go on your world tour.

Go ahead. World tour. So first stop is on the West Coast, California. I'm standing out by the pool. And a friend of mine, David, comes up to me and he goes, did you hear that Rob got saved? And I said, what? He said, yeah, Jim Yant, the Nader, the crazy guy, it's where he lived. They had a Bible study and Rob repented and he got saved. And at that point, I went, I'm going to repent too. I said, I cannot have Rob go anywhere where I can't go.

So I went back and I reconvened the prayer group. It was this little group of charismatic moms, you know, it was 70s housewives and moo-moos and hairdos. And we all went to their house. And I told them, look, I want to do exactly what robbed it. And they went, okay. And they were all excited. So we had a Bible study. It was really nice.

And I said, I'm going to put my chair in the middle. I want you to lay hands on me. I'm going to repent. And I want you to pray for me. And they did. I still can't believe that three whiff and poofs came to radical faith in Jesus. Radical faith in the year that they're whiff and poofs while they're at Yale. This is insane.

It's why I wanted to have you on the program. And we're just getting started. We'll be right back talking to James Carney, spelled K-E-A-R-N-Y. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to my new friend, James Carney. So James, you're at Yale senior year, your wiff and poof. two of the least likely members, this is what God always does, become born again believers very radically while they're whiff and poofs, that's simply not done, ladies and gentlemen.

And then you decide you want it, that you can't hang, you can't hold back anymore. So you have this born again experience. As you've begun the world tour, you're in California when this occurs. Right. So we sing all up and down the California coast, go to the Behemian Club in San Francisco. and, you know, sing for Stanford with the mendicants, right? Because every Ivy League school has their own, you know, a cappella group.

But then we get on a plane to go to Japan, right? So we're on the plane, big 747, and I'm sitting next to my friend John Deloise. And he's also been born again this year in the group. Wait a minute. And I said, there's a fourth member? There's a fourth member. Who has been born again?

and the whiff and poofs who are only, they're only 14 of you, and four Wiff and Poos in the 79 class are born again? Yeah, there was a fifth, too, Rick Westerfield, who was the music director of the group. I know that, I know that name. Somehow I know the name Rick Westerfield. I must have met him someplace in latter years.

Yeah, he went on to have quite a storied career in music as an orchestral conductor. was a Leonard Bernstein protege and has led numbers of orchestras. He's really smart and really talented. He's the successful member of the group. Uh-huh. Anyway, so I'm sitting next to John Deloise. You know him because his uncle was Dom Deloese.

Oh, you're kidding. There's nobody I love more than Dom Deloese. Nobody. Don Deloese is the pinnacle. It destroys me that I never got to meet him. People need to watch the movie Fatso. Unbelievable. But like anything he did, Fatso is directed by Anne Bancroft, who also produced the Elephant Man, which is a Christian film.

We don't have time for this. So your friend, who's the nephew of the great Dom Deloise also becomes a Christian on the Whiffon Pooze. He introduced me when he was working at Paramount Studios to Dom DeLuiz when he was working on Fatso. We actually went into the studio. Wait a minute. You were on the set of Fatso? No, they were in the booth when they were correcting sound. Okay, but I still can't.

That's just too much for me. I need a moment. I need a moment. I need to go see the movie, too. I never saw it. Oh, Fatso is so sweet and charming. I mean, it's insane. It's insane.

So you met Deloise while he was working on Fatsso. So I'm so jealous now. I'm going to have to repent. I don't have to have time right now. Go ahead. All right. So we're sitting next to each other on the plane. And I go, John, I hear you guys speak in tongues.

He goes, yeah, we do. I said, well, how's that work? He goes, well, you just do it. And I go, what do you mean? I said, because I was waiting for lightning to strike, right? And like I was saying, like the Jerry Mahoney dog, God was going to, the Holy Spirit would put his hand up your back and start moving your mouth. He said, no, you just do it yourself. and step out.

And I said, okay, he goes, why don't you try it? I was like, all right. So I just started whispering in his ear. And he goes, yeah, you're doing it. I said I am? He goes, yeah. And then they served the meal and watched the movie, and we got to Japan. That's how I got the gift of tongues.

Wait a minute. So seven feet above the surface of the planet, traveling 600 miles an hour, you received the gift of tongues. I've never heard that. Give the tongues without any fanfare, without any striving. without any of, you know, all the histrionics. It was just God just saying, yeah, you want it? Here you go.

You know what? We're going to go to a break, folks. We've got plenty more. There is plenty more to this story. Don't go away. Hey there, folks. Every once in a while on this program, we talk about something that I know very little about.

It's called the economy. But there are experts. There are people out there who know a lot about it. One of those experts is our friend Charles Thorngren of Legacy, precious medals. Charles, welcome back. And thanks for being an expert on something that I'm particularly ignorant about. I'm glad to be back.

Thanks for having me. And it's what I live for. Well, listen, I know this is your world. So most people in America are aware that the economy is doing poorly, that there are these ups and downs. but the larger picture is devastating compared to where we were, you know, let's say four years ago. It's terrible. So what are, give us some details of what you're seeing because based on what little I know, I don't see it getting better.

I see it getting worse. The policies of this administration are so nightmarish and so anti-prosperity that I cannot imagine it not getting worse, given where we're. we are. And it's interesting. I won't say that I'm necessarily the biggest fan of the Federal Reserve, but I will say that they have a very difficult job right now. We know that there's inflation. We've all felt it. We all see it. They're trying to fight it. And they come out and say things like, we're going to keep interest rates high. We're going to keep it for a prolonged period of time, because that's what you have to do. Inflation is, it's a sickness of the economy.

and you can't fix it overnight. But then you have an administration that wants to say everything is great. You have an administration that wants to say that will be doing a job. As a writer, I just always want to use the right term. And that's called lying. In case you're scoring at home, the verb is to lie. And that's called lying to say everything's great when everything is very, very, very far, impossibly far from great with the economy.

So please continue. And you are correct. It is straight lying. It's not the first time it's done it, and this administration will do it again. You see now that, you know, the jobs reports came out, and it's a 53-year low for unemployment. That lets us know, and a normal time, that's a great thing. But in a time of high inflation, when you're trying to control the economy, that is the exact opposite of what you want. We hear about all the job cuts coming from the tech sector. But with unemployment, low. You now have people who are spending money when we're trying to contract the economy to get inflation under control. So that means that we will see more rate hikes for a longer period of time. And you have an administration that wants to talk about things are great, the economy is great.

You now have traders in the equities market. They're saying this is fantastic. The Fed will now be forced to lower interest rates and it's not going to happen. I look at this and relate it back to Alan Green Spans' irrational exuberance in the stock market. It's a very similar scenario. And I don't like to use that scenario because that same scenario, people lost 65% of their portfolios to the equities market if they didn't get out and get protected. And this is the fear that I see. It's repeating itself again. Well, to be clear, you and Legacy Precious Metals are one of this.

sponsors of this program and what you advocate, not just because, but because you know about this, you advocate that people move to precious metals. I want to give the website, it's legacy pm. Investments.com. Legacy p.m. Investments.com. And look, even to a dunderhead like me, it seems very rational to move to things that are stable. What could be more stable than gold and silver, frankly, that's proved itself over decades and decades. So talk about that a little bit. Why do you, I mean, other than the obvious that reasons, why do you say that people ought to do that? Why are you such a big advocate of it that that's what you do?

I look at it like insurance. This is insuring my portfolio, my financial well-being, my retirement. You need to have diversity. Everyone talks about diversity, and they think that means maybe buying Coke stock and Pepsi stock. No, that's not diversity. That's equities in general, right? You want to have something more than just equities. You know, in a normal time, you should have equities and bonds and some real estate and some precious metals.

These aren't those times. These are the times where you need to focus on your precious metals because we see real estate's in trouble and bonds are in trouble. and the equity market is in trouble. So we want to look at this as an insurance to guarantee the work that you've done to put yourself in a position where you want to be. Why put yourself at risk to influences outside of your control? By being in one thing and not diversifying, you risk your financial well-being, your family's financial well-being based on the trading patterns of people who could care less about you. this is why we look at precious metals. Well, so if people go to Legacy PM Investments, PM stands for precious metals, obviously,

but if you go to LegacyPMinvestments.com, they make it easy for you to do this. Charles, what do people find if they go to LegacyPMinvestments.com? Your average person just goes to the website. You go to the website. We're going to have some great information there. You can request a gold guide. You can see how to contact us. And that's important to our account representatives.

They're not pushy. We're not salespeople. We're educators. That's the way I like to look at us. We show people their options and we talk about their personal situation and how to make it better for them. Well, folks, I'm doing this. I recommend it. I would not have somebody on here unless I believe in what I'm talking about.

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