The Eric Metaxas Show - James Kearny (Encore continued)

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

James Kearny sang in the exclusive Yale Whiffenpoofs club and shares stories from his world travels, his conversion to Christianity and, today, his battles with the demonic, continues. (Encore Presentation)

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Hey folks, talking to my new friend James Carney, graduated Yale in 79. And we just met very recently in Seattle. We're hearing your testimony of coming to faith, baptism and the Holy Spirit above the Pacific. That's a new one. And you eventually get involved in deliverance, dealing with the demonic.

I want to get to that because that's a huge topic for me and should be for everybody because it's, real. But so, okay, what happens now on this world tour with the Wiff and Poofs? Five of you are born again. I still can't get over this because the Wiff and Poos are not, you know, they're not famous for their faith. No, if you would, if you know the Simpsons, the character Montgomery Burns, who was the head of the nuclear plant, it would be if he were in a singing group. Yeah. Right. It's so old and so corny. But I, I think that's, and that's the good. And that's the good. And that's part. I know. So you and I could tell you stories for days, but I think let's let's talk a little bit

about the demonic, if that's okay. Well, I mean, I just want to, if you have a few stories about, you know, what happens subsequent to, yeah, and then we can transition to the, the so-called demonic. Of course, we don't mean that, literally, folks. We're sophisticated Yalees. Go ahead. So, so actually in the middle of the tour, I'm in London. And we're at the, At that point, I'd been going to so many parties and had been living such a high life that I was just done. But we had a break. We had a three-day break. And I decided to go in a fast.

I've never fasted before. This was my very first time. And I'd say, I've got three days before our next gig, which was in Spoledo, Italy. And I said, well, gosh, Assisi is right next to Spoledo. And being a good Catholic, I was like, that's where St. Francis is. from. I'll go in a fast and I'll go to a CZi. So I get on a train in

London, you know, and just start traveling and not eating and I'm getting super spacey. But I go to a CZ and I have no money. I have no language. And

I remember, I didn't know what to do. And at this point, I was about two days into my fast and I was a little spacey. I got on a bus to go up to the to the city, the medieval city, and I didn't even know how I was going to pay for the bus. And I'm looking at the sunset, and there's an American priest from Ohio who says, you know, nice view, strikes up a conversation. He ends up taking me under his wing, finding me a place to live.

And then the next day gives me a biography of St. Francis, and I wander up to the top of the hill reading the biography. And that's where I received my call for my entire life. Was it the biography by Chesterton or another biography? You know, I don't remember, but I remember. I know. Well, Chester, I love Chesterton's. I love Chesterton because he said the key to St. Francis is that his relationship with God is a love story.

And I love Chesterton for that. Because he said, people talk about all this different stuff, but they forget what is the obvious. But you, so wait, so you're in a three-day fast, you're reading about St. Francis in a C-C. and God calls you into ministry? Is that what happens? Tell us, please. He said, called me to do two things. One, he said, to forsake your father and to leave him because I'm your heavenly father,

which is what St. Francis did. When he received his call, he actually, God told him, he broke from his father and said, you're no longer my father. I have only my father in heaven. And so it was a very strong call to say, look, you've been living a life with a particular set of worldly values. You need to let that go. And it's not just that, but St. Francis's father was very wealthy. And so he was assuing that wealth, the trappings of that wealth and the honor that went with being the son of this father.

And it's pretty similar in your case. Your father was actually obviously a big deal. And he was wealthy. Well, and St. Francis was also a singer. He put together a harlequin outfit and had a medieval lute and would lead his. guys through the city at two in the morning singing at the top of their lungs like medieval songs because he was this bon vivant who loved to sing. I actually did not know that aspect of St. Francis.

That's amazing. Interesting. And so it was really resonating with me as someone from a wealthy, privileged, middle-class background was being told to turn your back on that. Leave it and follow me. So that was the first. The second was to go and rebuild my house for it has fallen into ruin. So that was the call on St. Francis's life from God to rebuild my house, which is the church,

which was in a state of corruption and obviously needed a little reformation, small R. And that's God's call on St. Francis, which he spent his life doing. But somehow the Lord was communicating this to you as well about what you needed to do. to rebuild his house. That's exactly right. And that was the moment that I said, this is, so as a whiff and poof, right, I not only come to Christ, get spirit-filled, speak in tongues, start moving, doing Bible studies around the world, I received my call, my lifelong call to, you know, this is the reason

I was created, was to be in the footsteps of St. Francis. Now, of course, you have to be very careful because he was a great saint, but to do the same, to rebuild the church, because the church nowadays is in the very same state. And as a PCUSA pastor, not to put to find a point on it, that's a denomination in need of reform. And so when I get troubled about my denomination and the heresy that they've strayed into, I realize I'm probably exactly where I need to be. Well, some people are called to stay there and to fight, and some people are called to get the heck out of Dodge because you need to go where God wants you to go. But so your story, I mean, I want to get into what's happened to fairly recently, this entry into the ministry dealing with the demonic, but in between, so this is still, you know, or still in 1979 here, you, what do you do? aside to go into the ministry, go to a seminary. I know that you did carpentry, literally, to pay the bills. You were an actor. How did this play out over the next number of years?

Well, even though it seemed rather chaotic at the time, it was actually very simple. I returned to the United States, and I remember going to my Catholic priest at Yale and telling him about this newfound faith. And he gave the absolute worst response ever. He was bemused. He saw it as a youthful enthusiasm that I would soon get over. It's like, yeah, don't worry, you'll get over it. You'll become like a cynical deadbeat like me. I hope. Otherwise, you're going to make me feel bad about my cynicism. It's actually heartbreaking. I mean, you have to joke, but it's heartbreaking. It is. Because the Catholic Church is full of saints. But like any institution, it's also full of of its hypocrites or it's whatever, you know, compromised. But I went home and I, okay, so I had a,

I was going to be an actor in New York City. And I had the whole thing set up. I had a guy, Fred Koch, who was of the Koch brothers, who was all set to finance me. I had a job at the Vivian Beaumont Center and Lincoln Center. And I went home to say goodbye. So when I finished my tour, that's what I was going to do, interviewed in New York, came down to Atlanta to pack up. But I told my mom and dad, I said, look, I've recently. had this experience of recommittal to Christ, I want to pray about it. Now, for them as American Catholics, this was new. You prayed at grace or priests prayed in Mass, but they were like, and what do you say? Okay. So I put this whole plan before God, and I said, this is what I want to do.

I want to go to New York. I want to receive Fred's help. I want to be an actor. What do you think? And have you ever heard of the term Bible roulette? Sure. We've all played. it. Yeah, right. So I played it because I wasn't very familiar with the Bible. So I felt there was a scripture. So I just, I just peeled my Bible back and I put my finger down. I looked. It was Isaiah 30. It said, woe to the rebellious children declares the Lord that make plans without consulting me. Ah, that's just a coincidence. I would have become an actor. Who set out to go to Egypt to seek Pharaoh's help to make a league with people. that are not of my spirit. Okay, this is heavy stuff. We'll be right back. Plenty more with James

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Talking to my new friend James Carney. Okay, so you ask God, yeah, should I be an actor or whatever, and you get this pretty heavy-handed message. Maybe not. Yeah, he said, he was my catcher in the rye. He was saying, stop, don't, you're heading towards the cliff. These people will not, you will not receive shame. You will not receive help nor profit, but only shame, disgrace, and humiliation. So I said, okay, I won't. Okay, I won't go. What do I do?

And I looked down and the scripture came off the page and said, you shall see, you shall hear a word behind you saying, this is the way walking it, whether you turn to the right or turn to the left. So it was, come follow me. It was that simple. Well, practically speaking, what did you do? My parents asked me the same question. When I had to come home and tell them that their golden boy, who was doing all the things right,

that they could go to the cocktail parties and talk about pride, right. Suddenly was taking this very sharp turn away from, the successful goals that they had groomed me to pursue. Yeah. So the first question was, where are you going to live? I said, I don't know, could I live in my room? That's not a good answer.

The second was, so how are you going to earn money? And I said, I don't know. So I looked into a newspaper. Remember newspapers when they had one ads back in the day? Not ringing any bells, but go ahead. That's way before my time. I was born in 2001. Go ahead. So what does an out-of-work actor do?

Right? Yeah. I had a little stage carpentry. I ended up literally getting a job as a carpenter's helper, rebuilding homes of poor people in Atlanta. So suddenly this whole call to go and rebuild my house was getting very literal. Overly literal. Overly literal.

Almost fundamentalist. I was like, no, this is a nice metaphor. I got the metaphor. So what's the next schooling that I take? And God was like, you know what? You've had a lot of schooling in a particular sort of way. I have a whole different school I'm going to take you to. Right.

And this was in 1979. And I remember after about six months of working as a carpenter among the poor thinking, okay, God, I've got it. I understand what you're trying to do. and the answer I got back was you got it up here. I want you to get it in here. And not only there, I want you to get it in your guts. In fact, so I was a carpenter from 1979 until 1994 year after year.

You did carpentry for 15 years. I assume you were also doing some kind of ministry. I was, but I was a minister, you know, as a guy, you know, helping the pastor, you know, being an elder in the church, being a deacon. Yeah, you were serious about your faith, but you were, you were not tentmaking, you were housemaking, but that's, that's, that's extraordinary. So you were so serious about your faith that you were willing to be a carpenter with a Yale degree and all these, uh, chances and things because you believe that was God's call in your life and you followed. Uh, at what point did you, were you married during this time?

Yes. Yes. Yes. So I, uh, so I. got married. We had our first three kids on welfare, in fact, because that's how much money I was making. My parents didn't know what to say. They were horrified. I mean, they really, they really had a hard time. Well, you can't really blame them. It's, uh, uh, no, we don't. I look back and I have so much sympathy for them. You're right. Sure. Well, so, but you did get married and, uh, you're doing lay ministry, as we call it. Right. And at what point do you decide to go into, you know, actual, I don't know, I was going to say professional ministry, official ministry? At what point does that happen?

Well, it's interesting that you asked that question because I kept trying to get into ministry and God kept saying, you know, I appreciate your enthusiasm, not yet. Wow. So I, so I, first I tried to be a Catholic priest, right? And I was like, because I was Catholic. I was like, well, that's what I'm going to do. and that's the sacrifice, and the Lord said, no, not yet. Then later in my mid-20s, later 20s, I said, okay, I'm going to go to seminary. And God said, no, I don't want you to go to seminary.

You're not ready. This is the crazy thing. I want you to go to acting school. So that's when I went to acting school. Continuing to work as a carpenter, because that's the only way that I could support myself. But actually, he stopped me from going to seminary and sent me to acting school. And that's why I got to Seattle and to the Capitol Hill neighbor. I went to acting. Okay, this is interesting. And of course, there are lots of people listening to this thinking, what do you mean God told you? What are you nuts? And we don't have time to get into that right now. That's complicated. But we're going to just take your word for it. And so you now go to Seattle. You feel God has led you to acting school after all these years after keeping you out of, you know, the Viviant Beaumont Theater in New York. And okay, so you go to acting school and how does that go?

It was really, really hard. Okay, here's something that's actually kind of personal. Is it okay if I get personal for a second? Of course you can get personal. Get personal. Okay, personal. My entire life fell apart. My entire life fell apart at acting school.

And this is what happened. As a Christian coming out of Yale, I tried to be a Christian like St. Francis, meaning that I was trying to be the most successful and important and powerful Christian ever. And in doing that, I had really built a life of shoulds. This is what I should be like. This is the way I should act. This is what it means to really follow Jesus. And going to acting school was, and it was all well intended, but going to acting school was the first time I had ever really done something because I wanted to.

and that it was an expression of my heart. And in being with the other actors, I said, I feel like I finally found the cage at the zoo where everyone looks like me, right? I mean, it was, and so I was getting deep. And with acting,

I was going to places that in my good Christian life I wasn't allowed to go, but were real, rage, anger, lust, jealous, you know, all that. And I found that what happened is that I was letting

my real self out of the clutches of my should self, and I wasn't able to put myself back into this nice box, and everything fell apart. And I remember I was going to quit school, but I talked to the director, and the director said, of the school, said, you know, this is not an uncommon experience for people in acting school. He said, and you can leave. You can do that. He said, but I encourage you to consider staying and following the process that you are in the midst of to the far end. And it did. And so in the midst of this, everything fell apart. In fact, I came there married, my marriage fell apart. It all went away. And I remember my 30th birthday, having a day of prayer and fasting and saying, God, I've completely blown it. I've tried to be your guy. I tried to

follow you. I tried to obey you. I can't do it. I'm sorry. No excuses. And I didn't hear anything that day. I didn't experience anything. But that was the day when everything turned around and God started doing all kinds of wonderful things for me. And I'll tell you, Eric, that's when I first discovered grace. Unmerited favor. Before I could have told you I understood it, but it was only then in the depth of personal failure that I really understood that God loves me not for what I do just because he loves me because he's good.

And that changed my life. Well, where do you go from this point now? So your marriage has fallen apart. You're in a good place spiritually, but what do you do? Well, God introduced me to a young woman who was not Christian. She became, we actually did a theater piece together, a kissing theater piece on date rape. That's how we met. Then she began, I know, I know.

This doesn't work well at pastor's retreats when they say, oh, let's talk about how you met your spouse. But she ends up having a radical, God, we're on Capitol Hill, right? This is where this rule was. In Seattle. In Seattle, in Capitol Hill, God visits her sovereignly because she was raised in a non-Christian background and starts revealing scripture to her. She has a radical conversion to Christ. We end up going to a little Presbyterian church and they disciple us. We ended up getting married.

I was a professional actor in town. We started having kids. God's blessing my ministry at this little church. everything turned around and only then when I was 37 and I thought I was about at the end of my life, right? Three kids married. God says, okay, now you're ready to go to seminary. So you go into, obviously you become a Presbyterian minister. When we come back, we're going to leap ahead into when God brings you into ministry with the demonic, we call it,

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So now you're 37. I mean, gosh, what you've been through. And now you decide, okay, I'm actually going to go officially into ministry and become a Presbyterian minister, pastor. Right. So, yeah. So I end up going to seminary, Presbyterian Seminary in Atlanta. And what's interesting is that after all my years in carpentry, this is 94, I found out I had more in common with the maintenance staff than I did with the students. Okay, I think that's a good thing, but continue.

Well, it's because working with your hands, you develop common sense. Right. If you work with your head, you can go all kinds of crazy places, but there's something about having to use your head and your hands and physical objects that is a more grounded way of understanding things. and I realized that I needed the carpentry because I needed to be grounded. I also needed acting school because I needed my false self to fall to pieces. I say that in acting school, because of my false self falling, my real self emerged. And what happened is that you can hear that in the voice. People say you can see the soul in the eyes.

We give ourselves away every time we speak. and you can hear whether a person is genuine or not according to the tone of their voice. It is a mirror. It's an expression of their soul. And so I had to go to acting school first because I wasn't ready to go to seminary because I was fake. I mean, I was well-inted. And let's be clear, God led you in all these ways. And you did follow him.

And it's a process. When do we get to the, I want to get, because we don't have a ton of time. Let's go there right now. To the demonic. So you're sort of. serving in a world, a Presbyterian world, where they look away from the demonic as though, yeah, that's for those kooky medieval Catholics, but we're sophisticated Presbyterians. We don't do that junk.

Did Jesus do it? Maybe. We don't want to talk about that. What, I may be exaggerating, but how did it happen for you? Well, it happened when, in the course of my ministry, I ended up back at the scene of the crime, Capitol Hill. and God called me to start Capitol Hill Presbyterian Church. Okay. And what I found was the state of that neighborhood, right?

This is where the chop was, the Chas, you know, the Capitol Hill occupational protest. This was a neighborhood that if there is a dark center in the northwest, it's Seattle. And if there's a dark center in Seattle, it's the Capitol Hill neighborhood. Not to throw it under the bus, but just saying that the type of spiritual warfare that was going on there was off the hook. addiction, aberrant lifestyles. It's the gay neighborhood. It's the center of atheism. It's also the center of witchcraft. And I found that all of the tricks that I had learned and all of the well-meaning ways of doing church didn't have enough firepower to advance the kingdom in this environment. And so I realized when I looked into scripture, I said, well, there's something about the

Holy Spirit that enabled the early church to thrive in the midst of an environment that was on the one hand more hostile, the Jewish leaders, and on the other hand, more indifferent, which were the Romans. And it was the same thing. I had a lot of people that were indifferent, and then you had, you know, smattering people that were angry. So in my pursuit of the Holy Spirit, God led me to a man in Africa when I was teaching pastors in Tanzania, who actually had a healing and deliverance ministry, and Zebedai Yuroki. And when I found that out, I said, well, can I learn from you? And he said, yeah, I'll teach you. So we spend the week where all day long I'm teaching pastors, right? And then at night, I'm having this seminar from one of my translators on healing,

physical healing, actual physical healing and actual deliverance. And it was opening my eyes up in terms of the reality. So at the end of the week, I said, well, we need to have a lab, right? A lab. We need to do this. What John Wimber said, we need to do the stuff. We need to not just talk about the stuff. Let's do the stuff.

Let's see if God is still in the business of doing the stuff, healing and deliverance from demons. So what happened? Well, I had to find a sick person, right? So I'm looking around for a sick person, right? And I figured if an African got healed, that'd be amazing. But if an American got healed, that'd be a miracle. Right. Because as Ebedai, you said, you know, we used to say, well, what if I lay hands on someone and nothing happens?

And he said, oh, you Americans. That is what you always say. You Americans, you have faith in your eyes. doubts, but you doubt your faith. You have faith. You have faith in your doubts, but you doubt your faith. Okay. So then what happened? Well, I found, I found that one of my compatriots, Seattle pastor, had a backache, and he was in pain. And at this point, he forgot his medication. He said, dude, anything. I said, can you be a guinea pig? He said anything. I'm in such pain. Well, long story short, turns out it's not an organic problem. It's a demon. Okay. So this is,

we want to be clear. We only got 60 seconds in the segment, but sometimes when somebody has a physical ailment, it is related to a demonic entity. That is not uncommon at all. So that's what's revealed to you in this moment. And we get him healed by delivering. He chokes. It comes out. He starts speaking in tongues. He has a vision. He's completely restored. Wait a minute. You did an exorcism. You did a deliverance of a demon on this man. From a Presbyterian pastor. your present to your pastor you pray what was the manifestation we've just got seconds left but describe this better because this is well uh yeah and there's a lot to this but um first you pray to get to first you look at the symptoms and it looked like it was demonic in terms of the the symptomology and that's another

whole subject so then we prayed as it as the treatment and then it actually got a demon loose and then as it's rocketing around and choking him wait a minute wait a minute wait we're going to a break They're demons rocketing around and choking him. Alvin, we don't believe this nonsense, do we? We're sophisticated Manhattanites. We'll be right back. I'm talking to James Carney. James, so you said you pray for this guy and you now see crazy stuff happen.

What do you mean when you say a demon is shaking loose and starts rocketing around? What are you seeing? Because most people would say that sounds kind of like crazy talk. What do you mean? So a part of it is that you're having to add. ask the person what they are experiencing. Because some of the things you see, you'll see tears, you'll see yawning, you see choking. I mean, there's some people with demonic, they'll actually do the exorcist stuff where they begin throwing up or they begin wrestling you.

They'll growl. Sometimes the demon will come out and talk. I mean, it's like that. I mean, I'm not trying to play dumb. I know a lot about this stuff. You had my friend Ken Fish on here. But I want to, you know, So you're doing this for the first time, and you're seeing this stuff happen right there with this man who said, I've got a backache.

Right. Well, yeah. And so it's, and I have Zebedaou there who's leading me in this. But see, here's the crazy part. So my friend gets healed, and he's completely restored. And so with demonology, with demonic infestation, it's a form of healing. And what you do is that with that, you always look for. certain symptoms. And then from those symptoms, you make a diagnosis saying, okay, I think this is what

we're talking about. It's only when you apply the treatment, does the diagnosis get confirmed or not, right? So if it's not a demon, then nothing's going to happen. But if it is, it will. It just depends upon what it is that you're dealing with. And it's slippery because demons are conscious beings that are trying to avoid being detected. So it's, it's, it takes a little detective work. They're not raising their hands. They're not volunteering to leave. They're trying to hide. So when someone comes to me and say, I have a demon, it's always the last of my list. However, this is where it gets crazy. And this is actually answering your question. So he's restored. So I asked Zebedaou and my friend to lay hands in me because I want a healing, anointing.

I want to be able to do this when I come back to the United States. And as they're praying for me, I'm feeling the sense of God's blessing coming over me. It's almost like water of the Holy Spirit coming on me. And I feel cleansed. I feel empowered. And then the craziest thing happens. I feel a dark presence deep in my guts, flush out, and start coming forward and contaminating the blessing.

And suddenly this clean water that came on me, it felt like it was getting polluted. Suddenly my head is filled with violent and pornographic images about the two guys in the room. And I'm going, so I shut it down. I said, I said, Zabidaya, what is going on? And he goes, it sounds like that's a demon and you as well. And I said, well, what do we do? He says, we will pray and he will go. I'm like, okay.

So then this is where the classroom really started. So I've got two guys praying for me. One is the African who is praying, in the name of Jesus, I rebuke you. And I just cover you with the blood of Jesus. And he's praying like a Pentecostal, right? And the demon inside of me, I feel this presence like it's getting hit with a hammer blows. It hates it. Then I have this other pastor who's just come in, who's just been delivered, and has a hard time even believing any of this is real.

He's saying, I believe, help my unbelief. kind of like Natalie Wood and Barclan 34th Street, right? And the demon is going, whatever, dude, it's unaffected. I'm seeing in my body the power of exercising the authority of Jesus against these demonic spirits. And he left. And when he left, there was an unbelievable feeling of calm and stillness, kind of like debugging a computer. suddenly it's empty of the virus. Well, you, I mean, what's often, I mean, what's always difficult to explain is the,

you're feeling this viscerally. You yourself are experiencing this thing inside of you, which you try to put it into words, but there's some people that just think, what? What is he talking about? But when it happens to you, you know, and when you see it, I've been in the room, I've seen these things myself. I know this is real. And you really need to do, to be a kind of.

of a diagnostician. The more experience you have, the more you can be aware of what is happening now or which way to pray or, you know, and so obviously this African pastor knew this stuff backwards and forwards and knew what to pray and how to pray. But the idea that you could viscerally feel that his powerful prayers and declarations with the authority of Jesus were harming the demon. You could feel that because the demon was inside you. I mean, that's pretty amazing. It was an education. It was what I was looking for. And then when I returned to the United States,

suddenly my eyes were open to that reality, and I started seeing it in people. Not everybody. Mental illness is real. Real physical illness is real. All those things are real. Doctors, lawyers, doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, counselors are all important professions.

And I work with them. But there's this huge other area of demonic involvement that is the purview of the church, especially the leadership of the church, which we have ignored. And there's a lot of work for us to do. And so that's really, I began engaging in it on Capitol Hill. And I tell you, the lives that were changed. You've been doing this ever since.

I've been doing it ever since. How many years have you been doing this stuff? At this point, 13 years. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. This is what you do. I want to talk a little bit more about this, but then, of course, we have to have you back

to talk about what it is you're doing. Now, is there a website where people can find you? Yeah. Go to dunimus basics.org. Is that DU? Yeah, so Dunamis is D-U-N-A-M-I-S-B-O-S-I-C. And it's what it is. It is introductory materials for the personal work of the Holy Spirit

for advancing the kingdom of God. And it's done, get this, from a Presbyterian point of view. Well, the Presbyterian Church kind of needs this. So I'm really thrilled to hear that a Presbyterian minister is doing this. Dunamis, comes from the Greek word. Venomis, dynamite, but with a you. Exactly. Dunamisbasics.org.

Dot org. Right. There's stories there. There's training. and I can tell you more about the ministry that I'm a part of because you need training. Well, that's exactly right. That's what Ken Fish has been doing all around the world and in New York. And this is so vital. So vital. We're going to go to a break. Final short segment with James Carney. Don't go away. Folks, we've got to remind you the tragedy in Turkey and Syria, 35,000 dead.

This is unbelievable. We need you to help ASAP. We're going to keep hitting this. until everybody responds. You do what you can do. You can go to metaxis talk.com and click on the banner and give, please, or if you prefer to call 855-863-4673, please call 855-863-4673. This is an emergency. Please help. Folks, welcome back. Final short segment with Dr. Reverend Dr. James Carney, spelled K-E-A-R and why dunamis basics.org is the website, dunamisbasics.org. There's so much to talk about, so we'll have to have you backed again to specifics. But one thing that many people don't realize is that the whole Masonic world, Freemasonry, has, there's a lot of demonic stuff there, and a lot of people who have trafficked in that

have inadvertently inherited curses and demonic things going on. I kind of didn't believe this a few years ago, but I've seen the reality of it. And so talk a little bit about that if you would. Sure. So what the devil is up to is trying to keep people out of the kingdom of God. And what he does and what he has been doing over the years is creating false kingdoms. So you can look at false religions as being false kingdoms. So Islam, Buddhism, Confuciism, these are all false kingdoms.

One of those false kingdoms is the world of masonry. And what that means is that there's a lot of, and it's a Christian, it's designed to ensnare Christians. So there's a lot of good Christian ethics. It's a lot about, you know, men becoming good men and good citizens and all, of that, but it is a Gnostic heresy, meaning that it has to do with secret knowledge that you are initiated into in order to attain higher levels of enlightenment and also in the afterworld that you will attain higher levels of heaven. And in terms of doing work of finding the doing deliverance work and working with people and finding demons and trying to find the

permissions why they were there. I've been astonished at how many of the demonic presences and people are there because of their involvement with masons or because of their fathers or grandfather's involvement with the masons. Masons actually bring curses on themselves that also entrap their families and that these curses a lot of times are passed down. This sounds like crazy talk, but I tell you what, it's been proven again and again in terms of and the relief that people have found because of these deep and sometimes very powerful demons that are welcomed in through the world of masonry. It is not just about little guys and funny cars and halftime shows.

No. It is much, it's dark. No, it's real. And again, I've learned this through my friend Ken Fish. And there's a specific curse. I can't think of the name. It's a person's name that's a person's name that's a, affiliated with, but in any event, yeah, this is real. And so the people listening right now

think, oh, my father was a Mason, my grandfather was a Mason. You need to find someone who understands this stuff and who can pray with you and bring you deliverance from this, because you'll, you know, it's sort of shocking to think that, well, I certainly I can have something going on or whatever. We all can. And frankly, James, you just said it. Here you are, being a born again believer for years. And when they pray for you in Africa, a demon comes out. So there's no shame in this, folks. We're all broken sinners, and we just want what God wants for us, which is to say total healing. And you humbled yourself, and they prayed for you, and that happened to you.

And now you are being used by God to pray for others. We're out of time. I just want to say thank you. We will just have you back to talk more about the specifics of the ministry that you do. But people can find you at Dunamis Basics. It's D-U-N-A-M-I-S, dunamus basics.org. James Carney spelled K-E-A-R-N-Y. James Carney, however you spell it, I like you,

and I'm glad we're new friends, and we'll have you back soon. Thank you, my friend. This has been an absolute joy. God bless you and what you're doing, Eric.