The Eric Metaxas Show - James Kuntsler

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

James Kuntsler on the Architects of Our Current Judicial Coup more at: www.kunstler.com/p/the-great-consternation

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the show. His name, in case you're interested, is James Cuncelor, James Howard Cuncelor, Jim Cuncelor, J.K. Cunzler. Jim, welcome back. You just make me happy. Even if you're the bearer of gloomy news, you make me happy, because you bear even the gloomy news in a happy way. Thanks for doing that. Well, you're welcome. I am, you know, personally, a rather a cheerful person by disposition. So I can't say that these events, these exciting events we live through are getting me down, but, you know, one does get a little worn out from the excitement. Well, okay, we have to, we have to be more specific because there's so many things going on that we should at least enumerate them. We have judges. I mean, ultimately, it's the, correct?

me if I'm wrong, and believe me, you can do that. We have the deep state now through the judiciary trying to subvert the will of the American people. We elected Donald Trump overwhelmingly, whatever he wants, we want, we elected him. And they are doing anything they can, absolutely anything, to stop him and his agenda. So that's one thing. What else are we referring to? Well, let's get, let's, uh, tangle with that for a moment because what we're seeing really, it's perfectly obvious that this is a, an orchestrated coup, that this character, Norm Eisen, this, uh, uh, American political attorney is behind the whole thing, along with his colleagues, uh, his colleagues in action, Mary McCord, former, uh, D.J employer, uh, you know, now lodged at

Georgetown Law, I believe. And Andrew Weissman, the former Mueller Special Counsel operator, the guy who really ran the Mueller Special Counsel operation back in 2019, and others, you know, probably Lisa Monaco, who was recently deputy, attorney general, and was running a lot of the operations for Merrick Garland. So, you know, they're probably the field marshals behind this judicial coup. And, you know, it's a very clear operation. They have a long list of elected, excuse me, of appointed federal judges who are sympathetic to their coup, who they engineer cases into, you know, and they do it on a wholesale basis.

so that the judicial system ends up being overwhelmed with cases. And the whole object is to paralyze the executive branch of the government so that it can't carry out anything. In my opinion, that this is kind of a last-ditch operation. And I suspect that they're going to be discovered for, you know, what they're actually doing, which is a seditious conspiracy, and that... Okay, hold on.

How, what do you say? When you use the passive voice there, who is going to... I think the DOJ and the FBI, and I think there's a reason that there's a great silence emanating from the DOJ and the FBI over this right now.

And that, I believe, and it, you know, you can attribute it just to my own belief system, I believe that that great silence is happening, because they are carefully constructing cases against a particular gang of people, a fairly large gang. And they're not leaking. They're not, for some reason, you know, sometimes they manage to do these things without suffering leaks. And I think that's what's going on right now.

I don't believe that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are sitting on their hands in the FBI building. These cases have to be constructed very carefully, and they have to be cases that can succeed in a grand jury to get indictments. So they can't be casual and they can't be sloppy. So I think that that's what's going on in the background, and that will be the way that Mr. Trump's administration fights. back against this seditious coup against the executive. It really doesn't. One more thing, you know, it really, there's no question it really amounts to a crisis in government right now, but I think it's a crisis we're going to get through.

Okay, well, that's, first of all, that's a very sanguine reading of things. Yeah. And yet, I don't think it's overly sanguine. I think it's accurate, I believe. I am equally sanguine. but I got to tell you, I don't even know what the word sanguine means, and that's how sanguine I am. It means hopeful. I know what it means.

I wouldn't, I don't think I would use it if I didn't know what it meant, but I just, I just want to make sure my audience is listening. I don't want them to be distracted on their phones, unless they're listening on their phones, in which case, it's perfectly fine. But I got to say that, you know, you've said a lot. Like, you're saying, which I believe is right, that the silence that we're hearing, from in particular the FBI is not a bad sign. What about the DOJ? A lot of people have attacked Pam Bondi and said,

hey, hey, it's nice to see your pretty face on Fox News every night, but we would prefer if you would arrest some people, what the heck is going on? What do you think is going on? I simply think that they're being extra careful about how they're going about this. You know, this is a momentous set of, of decisions and ultimately of actions that will be taken against prominent people in our political system.

And they have to be careful. They have to follow the law. And, you know, they cannot afford to be frivolous about it. So the public, and understandably, the people who voted for Mr. Trump are extremely impatient about this because they've been screwed around for a decade by people. acting really nefariously. And so the impatience out there is just terrific. And, you know, we just have to be strong and overcome that and stand by. Well, the larger point you're making is that what we are dealing with is so huge. And again, folks, you know, when people throw terms around like sedition and conspiracy and treason, which I do, and you just did, we're not throwing these terms around, actually. We're saying, no, that's actually what this is. And if you know the meaning of those words, you understand how gigantic this is. This is

unprecedented. You have to go back to the Civil War, I guess. This is monumental. And so, yes, you can't You can't flub it. You can't bobble the ball. It needs to be done correctly because the blowback is going to be a tsunami level. Yeah. And, you know, there are a lot of legal technicalities involved, and neither of us are attorneys. But for example, you know, how can you say that some of this activity has been treasonous? Well, there's this whole giant hairball of Russiagate, which went on for, you know, three or four years. And a great deal of it was enabled by the UK's Intel agency, MI6. And that's what allows you to start considering that this is a matter of treason. because you're allowing what is, you know, a foreign power, Great Britain, to interfere in the political life in the elections of the United States.

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Kuntzler. Jim, before we go further, how can people find you online? What's the best way to find you online? My blog comes out every Monday and Friday on Substack. Just go to www.com, K-U-N-S-T-L-E-R dot com. And the blog comes out by about 10 o'clock in the morning at the latest. Your writing there is really, as far as I'm concerned, extremely important and wonderful.

And one of the reasons I have you on the program is I'm hoping more people will avail themselves of what you're writing. There's nobody really doing what you're doing. And I'm not here to blow smoke up your skirt. But at the same time, I will do that on occasion because I just cannot tell you. I got to say, Eric, there are a lot of great people out there who are putting out, you know, a wonderful review of the things that are going on. I mean, everybody from Julie Kelly, Matt Taibi, there's a great core of all news reporters and commentators out there who are really good. And I'm just doing my part, you know.

I'm glad you're humble enough to say that. But let me tell you something, Jim Consular, and I can be the judge of this. You write better than any of them times 10. You're writing sparkles and scintillates. And I say the same about my friend John Smirak. The writing is the thing, you know, that if you can communicate these things in a way that is entertaining, that's a big deal. And that's why I think people want to know that you're out there. Now, you just made a statement before we went to the break about the U.K.'s involvement, MI6, that's military intelligence in the – or sorry, intelligence in the United Kingdom. England regarding

Rushigate. And you said that is what makes it possible to call this treasonous. I ignorant as I am had not been aware of that angle. And I don't know I would say, I don't know that it's necessary that we have an international

intrigue involved to make something seditious or treasonous. I mean, Benedict. Well, there are two different things, sedition and treason. You know, sedition is simply militating to overthrow the government. And that can be a purely domestic thing. Treason tends to, you need to have some allegiance to or connection with or consort with a foreign power

in order to make your actions qualify as treasonous. And, you know, I think that, you know, I think that, you. You could probably demonstrate that Christopher Steele, the guy who created supposedly, or sold or purveyed the Steele dossier, was not just some freelancer out there. You know, he was really working under the agis of the Intel agency that he was an employee of until shortly before Russia Gates. Okay. But why would England? It says why?

Yeah, in other words, to me, I can understand how the globalists or the deep state would want to undermine Trump and the will of we the people. But why would England? I think they were just instrumental. I think that it's really the American deep state and the American intel community that simply got them involved out of convenience. Okay. So it's consorting. so it's consorting with them. Okay. Well, in any event, we're talking about big things like sedition and treason.

And I think I always want, you know, us to be, people throw terms of a run. But that's why this is such a big deal. And I think that it has been the failure of courage among Republicans in America that has been the reason none of this has been confronted through the decades. And so suddenly we have a moment where we have a moment where we have. a leader, Donald Trump, who has the political courage necessary because it's going to take tremendous courage, because if any of this stuff happens, I mean, if the DOJ or the FBI bring actual cases like this against these big names, as I just said, the blowback is going to be monstrous. They are going to lose their minds. If we think we're already, look, they're already doing that.

And that's why this judicial coup is such obviously a last. ditch desperate effort. Consider that what has gone on here, has gone on for so long, these, basically this war against the American people by their own government has gone on for so long that what we're seeing now is basically the so-called deep state having to desperately cover up all of its previous crimes. And just about every new action that comes along that they're doing is yet another layer of trying to cover their tracks for crimes that happened previously. So it's really kind of a desperate operation. And the criminality is so enormous. And there are so many people involved. And there would be so many people going to prison and really losing all

of their, you know, perquisites and prerogatives, that the desperation is monumental. And, you know, so it's a giant battle. That's the thing. You cannot really overstate this. This is as big as it gets. And I think a lot of people aren't quite aware of that. You know, when you're talking about putting some of these figures in jail, this is absolutely unprecedented.

Another thing, Eric, is that many of these figures are attorneys. You know, they are themselves lawyers who, in one way or another, have either broken the law or broken their faith with the law and have acted in bad faith. And that's what makes it so complex. And it's one of the reasons they have resorted to the last desperate instrument of the law itself to try to upend any action against them. Well, so you mentioned these names the other day, my friend John Zemirik was on here. He's mentioning Norm Eisen.

Oh, yeah. Most people don't know who that is. And I am most people. It's like you have to be reading this stuff and digging into this stuff and reading these stuff. But I think it's a part of a reason to give us hope that these names are surfacing. you mentioned some others. What do you think somebody like Norman Eisen is thinking right now?

Does he think that he's in big trouble? Well, you wouldn't know it from his presentation in the various podcasts that he appears in. He seems to be actually delighting in what he's doing and what he's up to, thwarting Mr. Trump. And, you know, so far, he's doing a pretty good job of thwarting at least the deportation of all those illegal aliens. So, but I think that he's doing his end zone dance a little prematurely. Yeah. Who do you think, if you had to guess, who do you think might actually end up going to jail?

I mean, of their big names. out there. I mean, for years ago, yeah. My candidate for the most likely person to be successfully prosecuted for serious crime would be Alejandro Mayorkas, the former Homeland Security Secretary, because it was really his responsibility for allowing this alien invasion to take place. And he lied to Congress about it. And, you know, he set up all of these instruments. like the non-governmental organizations that literally ushered illegals into the country.

You know, his agency created this phone app that advised them how to evade the border patrol and how to apply for fake asylum status. And he ran the operation to fly people directly on flights from foreign. foreign lands to American cities and bypass customs to get them to stuff them into American cities and especially into swing state voting districts. And, you know, I think that there are a long list of seditious acts that he could be convicted under. And, you know, he'd be my first candidate, but there are an awful lot of them.

And so we're going to have to just, you know, stand by and watch for now. Do you have anything to say on the scamdemic on Anthony Fauci? Oh, yeah. Well, they're like number two on the list of, but it's not just Fauci. You know, there's a long list of people. Remember, these were huge organizations that NIAID and, and the National Institutes for Health and the FDA and the CDC. There were dozens of high-ranking officials underneath the chiefs,

you know, underneath Fauci and Rochelle Walensky and Francis Collins and the three individuals who ran FDA for those years of the pandemic. There were three of them. And they're all liable to prosecution. We'll be right back, folks, talking to James Howard Cuncelor. We're talking to James Howard Cuncelor. He lets me call him Jim or Jimbo. Jim, again, we're talking about a lot of heavy stuff here.

I feel like I spent a lot of time just gasping and underscoring and repeating because I think sometimes we forget the genuinely unprecedented nature of what we're going through. There's just not, in our lifetimes, we've been blithely going along and, you know, oh, it's between Bush and Gore. And it's, suddenly we've discovered this level of evil and corruption. That's, it's, it should stagger people. They should go, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. This is, it's monstrous. This is the United States of America. And we're, we're finally dealing with this. And we finally, I think, have a president with the courage, tremendous courage to deal. deal with this. I mean, actually to call these folks out and to have a DOJ creating cases and trying

to, you know, proceed through this, this is, it's really as big as it gets. Am I wrong? Yeah. You know, it makes the Dreyfus affair in France look like a traffic violation because, you know, that was one guy who got railroaded. You know, this is, so many people have been injured by the antics of the Democratic Party and the deep state and the news media, you know, the three bears in this story. So many people have been damaged in their lives and have been ruined. Their households have been ruined. Their careers have been foundered. And we forget even who these big players are. For example, the big, you know, one of the big operations, in all of this seditious activity was the first impeachment in 2019, 20, and 20.

And that was engineered by Adam Schiff and, you know, two characters who history has now left behind. The American people don't remember these people. Michael Atkinson, who is the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community at the time, and he had come from the Department of Justice. and Eric Charmilla, who was a CIA agent who was implanted in the National Security Agency. And Michael Atkinson suspended the rule for whistleblowers that said that their reporting had to be firsthand. He changed the rule so that secondhand reporting would be viable. and so Eric Charmella, the mole, the CIA mole on the National Security Council,

gets together with Alexander Vindman, the Colonel Vindman, who is on the Security Council, who listens in to the Ukraine phone call between Trump and Zelensky. And they, you know, Charmella reports this fabricated story, you know, about, you know, about Trump trying to strong arm Zelensky. And the whole thing is completely fake. The whole thing was engineered, but between Schiff and Norm Eisen, by the way, was the, I think, the chief counsel on Gerald Nadler's impeachment committee. So he was right there in the mix, probably helping to engineer it all,

along with Andrew Weissman and Mary McCord. And, you know, history is sort of left behind these figures, but there are names attached to all these actions. You know, another thing that was going on at the time that nobody paid any attention to is that in December of 2019, Attorney General William Barr knew that the FBI had the Hunter Biden laptop in its possession. the fact that he did not notify Mr. Trump's defense attorneys in the impeachment that there was all this exculpatory evidence on that laptop, including hundreds and hundreds of deal memos and emails outlining the money laundering that was going on between Burisma, Ukraine, and the Biden family.

And Attorney General Barr did not notify Trump's defense attorneys. You know, this is something that we, you know, the news media and history has totally left behind. It's a major crime. So it's a crime on bars. That's an example of, it's an example of how, first of all, there are names attached to all of these things and that there are all these crimes waiting to be prosecuted. Okay, well, that's what you say, and I hope you're right. But, you know, William Barr, the Attorney General of the United States under Trump, you're saying that you think he's criminally liable. and you think somebody will go after this?

Yeah, I think he was clearly an obstruction of justice. He had all this evidence in his possession, and he didn't inform the defendant's lawyers. You can't do that. But do you think that the DOJ is going to go after him? I don't know. I think that, you know, technically they could go after him. I don't know if they have the will to go after him.

I don't know if they'll be too busy prosecuting other people. people. You know, there's such, you know, there's such a rhino rush of wild kingdom rhino rush of people who ought to be answering and explaining themselves in a court of law that, you know, the courts could be very busy. Is it, is it not possible for the courts to be very busy? Can we not make the courts busy? Well, I don't know. One of the things they've got to do is they probably have to find a way to switch venues for some of these actions because they can't have them all land in the D.C.

courts. Right, right. We're going to go to another break, folks, talking to Jim Cuncelor. You should look him up. James Howard Cuncelor.Cuncelor.com. Do yourself a favor. Don't be an idiot. Go to cuncelor.com. We'll be right back.

Welcome back. Talking to Jim Cuncelor. Jim, there's so much else. I never have enough time with you. What? What else? Anything? Oh, dear. Well, there's, you know, we have reached, I think, maybe a consequential point with the COVID story. And last week, the Trump administration replaced the old COVID website with a new sort of set of

declarations that basically says that we now can say firmly that it's been established that Anthony Fauci and Ralph Barrett, with the help of many other scientists, engineered the COVID virus, and they outsourced the production of it to the Wuhan lab. Okay, look, everybody with a brain knows this information. The news is that the White House is now ratifying that that is so. Okay. So that's monster, but what do you think the ramifications are? Okay. So there it is. What's going to happen? Where is the repentance on the part of the people who have done these evil things? Well, it, I think it does pave the road for, for, uh, for, uh, investigations and prosecutions of the people involved.

And, you know, the only one who supposedly even has a pardon, preemptive pardon, is Tony Fauci. And I think that that will probably be tested in the courts itself because we now have plenty of reason to believe that Joe Biden was not competent to, issue any of those pardons and that they may have been signed by a machine rather than by Joe Biden. But anyway, he's only, you know, Tony Fauci is only one cog in this machine. He was, he was very, he was probably the most conspicuous one because he was out front with a microphone during the height of the, the manufacturing of the crisis itself, which took place between, uh, Christmas of 2019 and April of 2020. And, you know, he was at the mic with Deborah Berks and a few other people. And I wonder if people have noticed watching the old video of this stuff, how

uncomfortable Donald Trump's body language is during all of those sessions of that COVID commission that reported every day to the American people on TV. Because his body language is very, very telling. He knows that he's being lied to and he's being played. And anyway, so where does it lead? Well, there are so many people involved and, you know, they weren't just the people who the public knows about. There were deputies and there were, you know, associate commissioners and all kinds of people who, you know, made very bad decisions. And, you know, I think we deserve to see them in a court of law explaining what they did. And why they did it, you know, what were you thinking?

I think we need to know what people like, what was Rochelle Walensky thinking this whole time as the COVID vaccination program was going on? And over a period of about 24 months, it became obvious that the shots did. didn't work and that they were harmful. And yet they kept them coming. But again, that's a pretty big statement. I mean, anytime anybody says something, as much as I'm already aware of it, I have to stop and say, we live in a world where the entire news media pretends that what you just said is not true.

And we know that it's true. So where's the reckoning? Will there be a reckoning? I mean, the New York Times, I think, published some squib correcting themselves. You know, it's like saying, sorry, we live. loved the Nazis. Turns out they were bad. Let's move on. Let's look to the future. Well, a big question, a big thing is a question of motive. And, you know, what, what prompted a very large number of people to behave this way? My guess is that the COVID operation was, to a large

extent, simply a means for ejecting Donald Trump from government. And, you know, to allow the election rules to be changed and manipulated in a certain way. Okay, we just have a minute. Who would have been behind that? Because that's the question. Like you just said, I think that's right. Who was behind that planning that? My guess is that the people who ran the Democratic Party,

which would have been a kind of a motley assemblage of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, etc. And they wouldn't be liable? They wouldn't be liable for anything? Well, I think they probably ought to be liable for that. I don't know how they can be directly connected to the COVID operation, but, you know, there wasn't any will to investigate that until the American regime change of January 2025. Now there is a will to find out what were the motives and purposes behind that. And that's one of the reasons I'm.

I don't think that Dan Bongino is sitting on his hands in the deputy director's office at the FBI. I think that, you know, I think there's a lot of stuff to look at and that he's looking at it. And he's, and that he has a lot of experience with looking at it. He's already written, you know, several books about the Russiagate operation. He knows who these people are and what the money pathways were. Do you think he's maybe working on a case against Adam Schiff? One would hope so. I mean, one would hope that it wouldn't be a Stalinist type operation where, you know, show me the man and I'll find you the crime. I think that Adam Schiff's crimes are pretty manifest. You don't have to look that hard. No, that's my point. And so if that's the case, then you would hope that Trump's FFII would be taking it seriously and doing something.

Yeah, you would. You would. And, you know, his Adam Schiff's misbehavior was so errant and there was so much of it that I don't think it would be that difficult to build a case, you know, of sedition and conspiracy to commit sedition against him. Yeah. Yeah. This makes the McCarthy hearings and that whole era look like nothing. Anyway, we're at a time. Jim, it's huge. It's, it is huge.

Great to speak with you. Thanks for giving us your time. Folks, go to Consular. dot com. Jim, thank you. You're welcome, Eric. Pleasure to be with you. Folks, welcome back talking to Colin Plume with Noble Gold and Colin, you know, you're sharing some stuff. I've shared on the program

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But that's just one of the areas and the government continue. And every year they're buying silver, people don't realize that silver has doubled over the last five years. Yet it's still half the price of where it was in 1983 when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the market. So even though it's doubled in the last five years, it's still got a lot of room to run. So I really like where silver is sitting today. I like the price of it. But it has to do with the underlying value and why people continue to use it. If you just look at solar panel usage alone, that's 17% of the usage.

It continues to grow as people add this to their homes. That's not going anywhere. So they're used between 10 and 25 grams of silver and every solar panel. And then a little known fact that's just kind of a silly thing, but it kind of adds to the value is that most refrigerators today have one to two ounces of silver. And it's unlikely that someone's going to go to a place where the refrigerators, the old ones are, and pull that silver out, right? Because it's worth 60 bucks. If it was gold, they would do it. They'd rip that refrigerator open. So what I'm saying is that they only recycle between 4% and 5% of the industrial uses.

So as much as they're trying to find it in Mexico and in the U.S., they're not recycling a huge amount of it either, which means that they have to continue to find more and mining gets more expensive. And obviously, everybody knows what labor and inflation is doing to everything. So the price, the underlying price has to go up because it just costs a lot of money to pull it out of the ground. Well, your book is silver is the new oil. Yes. find out much more about it. But, you know, folks are basic recommendation here. You understand that, you know, the economy is, it's always volatile, but the next year or two, it's probably going to be tough in any circumstances, but especially now, gold and silver are the safest bet. It's even

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