The Eric Metaxas Show - James Lindsay (Continued)

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

James Lindsay discusses the term "The Woke Right" and who it is.

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In other words, when you talk about the post-war, I mean, one group is these tribalist, white nationalist jackasses who they're all about, it's kind of like the guy in Norway. who killed what, 60, I don't know what it was. And he writes this kind of racialist, tribalist manifesto, and they say he's a right wing and bittata. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're murdering people, you know, let me just say that's not a maga value. I don't think George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Donald Trump or Erickman, Texas, would be with you on that, right?

So there are people on the right who see things, in this case, through a racial lens. They want to murder the other, what is, is that radical Muslims, blacks, Jews, I don't know what it is. But the point is, we all know that that is equally evil to the lunatics on the left, to the cultural revolution under Mao. We know that that's evil, radically different in some ways, but actually exactly the same thing. Then there's this other group that you're talking about, James Lindsay, who they say the whole post-war liberal consensus is wrong.

Now, and they were talking about the neocons, whatever. Now, isn't that basically true? In other words, when I think of George Bush Sr. I don't, at this point, I don't think of him as radically different from Michael DeCoccus or whoever he was running against. I think of him as part of this uniparty that has been running things. When I think of Condi Rice, when I think of Colin Powell, when I think of Gerald Ford, I do not think of these people anymore. as on the right side of history. They were just kind of going along with whatever it was. And I realize, wait a minute, thanks to Donald Trump, by the grace of God, I say, wait a minute, I'm not on board

with the Iraq war and all that kind of stuff. So there's truth to the idea that the post-war liberal consensus has a lot wrong. Yeah, well, radicals or Lucifer always marry truth to lie. They don't just lie. They marry a truth to a lie. So this is actually true. And in fact, I agree with everything you just said about, say, Bush Senior, even Bush Jr. And in fact, go further. I don't think they were just going along with it. I think they were complicit. So obviously, here I am espousing a view that people might say, well, James sounds like he's woke right. He knows that the neocons really did kind of lock power in themselves. But we have the example for just to raise a couple of Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan, who very clearly articulated a American conservatism

that is nothing like the radicalism that we see. So where we draw the line is that the radicalism, and where we have to look for that line is in these distortions, which are hard to see because they talk about true things falsely. They tell the truth wrongly. And so they tell you certain facts. This actually has a weird name. It's called paltering, which is to tell true things in order to mislead somebody.

But they tell true things in order to get you to buy a radical line. line. And in this case, the radical line is that there is a true, very radical right that was represented by things like the John Birch Society and fascism and so on that was excluded by Bill Buckley for the neocons in order specifically to allow the left to win. And Bill Buckley certainly did push out the radicals in the 1960s when he made the National Review. This is absolutely the case. He did push them out. But the point was that he wanted to defeat communists. and also prevent fascism from taking root as a reaction to it. His point wasn't to get rid of true conservatives. His point was in fact to empower true conservatives. And I remind you, now that

they're taking a mask off, at least online and in their videos, they're telling us this is woke right, that they are not conservative in the first place. They are radical right-wing revolutionaries. That is a direct quote. So that's what they see themselves as. So we have to draw the line at radicals and revolutionaries who want to overthrow the system, in such a way that it gives them the power, not just over the circumstances, over the country, but over conservatism itself. They're going to be the ones who set what it means to be on the right and not on the right. And if you're not towing their line, they will throw you out unceremoniously or cancel you or treat you terribly. And that's where you can see the intolerance and the radicalism

that distinguishes conservatism from a radical right-wing revolutionary, which is something different. and that's where we have to draw the line. Okay, and this is kind of like my friend and frequent guests on the program, John Zmirak, talks about Catholic integrationists. It's a kind of similar thing. It's a little bit like Christian Sharia. It's what the left rightly fears in the right. In other words, when they say, oh, you just want a theocracy, you just want to take over.

Now, a true Christian and a true American patriot would say, absolutely not. I'm as much against that as you are. I believe in religious liberty. I believe in the founding principles. I don't believe in Christians taking over any more than I believe in Sharia law would be a good thing. But there are people, and again, this stuff is nuanced, folks. So this is what's so tricky about it. Because I often talk about we need to take back our institutions.

And, you know, I use my friend Lance Wulnaw, you know, the Seven Mountains. the Seven Mountains, we need to take back the media and da-da-da-da-da-da. Now, the way I mean it is very different than the way, I guess, a genuine Christian nationalist would mean it. He would mean we need to do anything we can to take those things over. And I would say, well, no, you can't do anything you can. You have to use the law. You have to use we the people vote. We get to vote. we have to follow the Constitution. Like, we have rules about how we accomplish things, the right way to accomplish things. I'm not willing to murder, you know, to get my way.

But you're talking about people who say, look, this is the kind of war where we need to do anything to win power. So they are like the woke left. They worship ultimately, ultimately. This is what I believe God sees. They worship power. They do not worship truth. Their view of truth is so distorted that they do not worship truth. They worship an idol of power.

So that to me is at the heart of what you're saying. Yeah, I agree. They've taken on the leftist assumption that truth is contingent. In other words, that truth is just a matter of your perspective and your awakening. And this, I think, is completely a demonic view. The truth is that which is in correspondence to reality. moral truth is that which is in correspondence to goodness, which is, of course, perfectly represented in God. And these things are not really, there are some difficult debates within ethics and so on,

but these are not particularly debatable concepts. There is no your truth and my truth, your right and your wrong. There is actually, the fact of the matter is that there is right and wrong, and there is good and evil, and there is true and false. And it's not a matter of, you know, how many followers you can get on social media to agree with you or how many how many how much reach you have on your YouTube account or how many people that you can get to defend you when you say something stupid. It actually comes down to something much more fundamental than that. And we have to remember that. Well, I know we're just about out of time, which brings us, of course, to the Jews. why is it that the people on what you're calling the woke right kind of feel whether they actually say it or not like sort of the Jews are behind it.

I mean, Daryl Cooper when he's talking about, yeah, Hitler was bad, but somehow it's kind of like the Jews and the neocons who are sort of the same have created this narrative. Isn't that that seems to me how I know this point of view is evil? because when you go after the Jews, you're going after God's chosen people, and you're almost tipping yourself off as working with the devil. Well, I think there's a handful of reasons not to get too deep into it, but that are pretty simple on the surface. Number one is it's extremely divisive. So if you're trying to build a splinter movement, you can splinter people off on this

extremely divisive issue. So it's very powerful as a wedge that they can drive into the existing movement. So that's a very politically strategic thing. Secondly, anti-Semitism is the mother of all conspiracy theories in essence. So basically, every conspiracy theory kind of mimics the shape of anti-Semitism. There's a small, powerful group that controls everything, that they refuse to assimilate, and they have bad intentions. And so it all kind of channels back.

This is like the mother of conspiratorial thinking is anti-Semitism. Critical race theory is modeled after anti-Semitism exactly, but it blames whites instead of Jews. And then kind of... Okay, hang on. We're going to be right back. Folks, remember... Metaxistock.com. At the top of the page is the banner.

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you worship power. You don't worship the God of the Bible. You don't worship truth. You want to win. Now, anybody who loves truth wants truth to win, but we can get sucked into this. And this is what we have seen among some on the right in the MAGA movement, whatever, who are not properly grounded. And so you think of them as allies, but at the end of the day, you find out what's really motivating them. Now, James Lindsay, I have to say, what this makes me think.

of, I'm writing a book right now about the American Revolution. And the classic case here is Benedict Arnold. Benedict Arnold was the greatest American patriot until he wasn't. And until you saw what was really behind things. If he had actually loved the idea of America, as George Washington did, he would have been incapable of doing what he did in 1780 to utterly betray the nation. But it's so fascinating because before that, everyone would have said there is no greater patriot than Benedict Arnold because on the surface and pretty far down from the surface, he looked like the greatest American patriot there was. I mean, nobody did more than him, you could argue, in some ways. But the fatal flaw was that what was ultimately motivating him, he was using,

you could say, this American Patriot Movement for Independence and so on and so forth, to further himself. It was about himself. It wasn't about truth. And that ultimately, boom, you saw the nightmare, the mask comes off. And the one you thought was with you was, was your fiercest enemy and became your fiercest enemy. So that's one way I think for folks to see that you can have somebody that is going along with you and that agrees with you on this and this and this and this. But do they really, really get it? And again, this is a little complicated, but we were talking earlier, James about,

you mentioned William F. Buckley, right? right? Buckley rightly saw the John Birchers as problematic. It didn't mean that he didn't agree with a lot of what they said. He might have agreed with most of what they said, but there's something at the heart of it that troubled him. And he said, or I would say that he believed practically speaking, it would be bad for the movement, bad for conservatism in general if he didn't cut them out. And it's kind of like what Bill Clinton did with the famous sister soldier moment in the 92 campaign, she was saying some stuff. And he was like, you know what, if I don't distance myself from that kind of voice, which is too radical, I'm going to lose the

election. So to some extent, there's pragmatism here, folks. You know, you really do, there are going to be times when you say, you know what, I've got to be, I've got to be more careful. I don't want to rely myself with that group just to get votes. Maybe I'll get votes, but those votes are dirty votes and they're going to sink us in the end. And so it's kind of what we're talking about here. There are people, I guess, you know, you mentioned Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson as prominent voices who really are not, I would say, advocates of the worst of what you're talking about. But somehow maybe they've given it a place or where they've allowed it. They've given it some soil in which to grow.

I mean, again, I don't really know Candace. but I know Tucker, and I don't think, it's a little baffling to me that he would do that. Yeah, well, Candace is pretty hard on the Jews. And so, you know, with that discussion we were having before, that's sort of a very clear line, conspiracy theory of all conspiracy theories. Ultimately, that ties into the post-war consensus model that the whole woke right uses because Israel was created in 48, allegedly as part of that post-war consensus. So they are kind of this icon of it.

But actually, just as far as these lies go, I like the Revolutionary War model and the Benedict Arnold model very much because, first of all, my first encounter with the woke right in person was over four years ago in 2021. It's not a new phenomenon. We used to call it the alt-right. They've been lurking around the movement for over a decade. But these folks met me and we were talking at this conference face-to-face. And one of the young gentlemen there told me, and I don't know his name, so I can't name him. I would, but I don't know it. So he told me to my face, you know, we find your work very useful for now, but in the end,

we're going to force convert you or kill you. And I've heard them say, not the kill part. Obviously, that's a big step. But I hear the same thing. We're using Trump right now. He's a useful vessel for us, but he's not a true right-wing radical leader. So we're using him for now. And so you can bet that they're going to do a Benedict Arnold on Trump eventually.

This is not a pro-Trump, pro-Maga movement. This is a splinter seeking a coup. You reminded me of something. as well. There have been people. I can't remember who it was just the other day, having a conversation with somebody who had been a radical Muslim and asked the radical Muslim, why do radical Muslims always vote for leftists? And he said, well, it's because we're using them. We know, you know, it would be why Putin or she in China would want Joe Biden versus Donald Trump because we're using them to win.

We can win. So you say, how could the radical left, or I'm sorry, how could radical Muslims ally themselves with the radical left? Because they're using them. They will kill them. I mean, let's think of it, folks. I mean, we know that, you know, radical Muslims will kill every gay and trans. gender person in a heartbeat. And so, but they're using them. And so this is very interesting.

In other words, at the end of the day, they're not allies, but they're saying, but if they can help us somehow, absolutely, why not? We'll use them. And so, so yes, these people are the enemies of what I would, what I would call, you know, American, the American vision, the founder's vision of America, which is, I believe, a truly Christian vision, a deeply Christian vision, not a chess something triumphalist, crisis king, kill all the Jews, Christian vision, but a humble, loving, freedom-loving vision, which is always going to be at odds with radical left and radical right, and you are calling out the radical right. That seems to me what we're talking about. Yeah, well, in the United States, we don't have rulers. We have public servants, even up to the president as a public servant.

So it's a completely different mentality. And just to give you, I don't want to harp on R and McIntyre, but I'll bring them up because his book is called The Total State. That's, the title comes from a book by Carl Schmidt, who is the crown jurist of the Third Reich. He wrote the legal basis for the total state to justify the Nazi state in 1933. That's the basis. And Oren's argument in that book is that every state eventually becomes a total state, so it should be our total state. The American experiment is, that's not true.

We're going to arrange things such that we don't have a total state so that we have self-governance, that we have individual liberties, including religious liberty, then we will not have a total state. So when you say that they say true things, except that they have a different vision, The belief that everything is already going to be corrupt tyrannical power, therefore it should be ours, is a woke view. It's also a satanic view. And so this is what I'm talking about, about the subtlety of the difference, but the difference is stark when you pull back, you know, the covering and see what it really is. everything is a total state, so it should be ours, versus the American founders, George Washington, and all the rest, saying, you know, I'm going to step down because we shouldn't have a king here in America, because America's not going to be what's being referred to as a total state. It's going to be a free country with free people who govern themselves, who have the minimal touch of government that derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.

And even though George Washington knew that he might be a better president in a third or fourth term than anyone on the planet, he nonetheless trusted the system that they had set up more than himself. This is the fundamental thing to as shoe power is the greatest act of faith. And it is just extraordinary to me that he did. I wrote about it in the first chapter of my book, Seven Men. I mean, it's one of the most noble things in the history of the world. And when George III heard about it, he was blown away because it's a demonstration of genuine faith in something beyond yourself, which the world has rarely seen. And that's what we need right now.

We're at a time. James, I'm just so grateful for this because this is very, very important. I want to have you back to talk more about this, but this is a great start. I think this is very, very important that people kind of understand what we're talking about and do understand the threat that there are people on the right who look like your friends, but at some point they're going to rip the mask off and you're going to find out, whoops, no, no. So, okay, and remind you again, folks,

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I think talk people all around the country. His name is Kurt Schwartz. and we're going to talk about something called Inspire Sports Camps, which is a gospel-focused sleepaway sports camp. Kurt, welcome to the program. Eric, it's so great to be with you this morning. Thank you so much for having me. Looking forward to talking.

The work you do is very important, and it's an exciting idea. It's a beautiful idea. So tell my audience, before I mentioned, Lou Dobbs and the dental appointment because I want to bring that up. But tell my audience what are Inspire Sports Camps. What is that? And when did it start? Yeah.

So, Eric, the short story is that 15 years ago, this ministry was just an idea. And you've highlighted on your show, ministries just like this around the country. But our idea was to provide a gospel camp experience for young kids in this new. York, Northeast region that have never had it before. And give them an opportunity to get out of the city, give them an opportunity to have a Christ encounter and have a chance to be met with the love and truth of Jesus in a camp environment. So we started talking 15 years ago with urban-based leaders from all over this area and just seeing who might be interested in making this experience a priority for the kids they serve. So this is this is a good.

So this is a Christian thing, mainly focusing on inner city kids, kids that normally don't go to camp. This is a special thing for them. They get to go to camp. Absolutely. It's 100% focused for those kids who have not had this experience. We like to say this. Our mission is to create unforgettable experiences for underserved youth that lead to life-changing encounters with Jesus. But our unofficial motto is quite simple.

If you can afford to go to camp, we're not the camp for you. We're looking for those kids who've never had. this experience before. Okay, so it's inspire sports camps. I just want everybody always to be clear on, you know, how to find it. Inspire sports camps. Now, you know, whenever God talks, I'm interested. And just now, before you got on camera, you were in a car.

And I thought we were going to do the interview with you in a car, because this is for most people are listening by podcast, they're listening by radio. So, you know, they're not looking at the video. Many people do look at the video, but it's mostly, but a lot of times my guess could be anywhere. And I was just while you were in the car a few minutes ago, I said, listen, I don't mind doing it in a car. We have done Sean Foyt, my friend Sean Foyt, I think half the time I've had him on, he's in a car. We had Curtis Slewa, who's running to be mayor of New York. We had him on a bike.

No kidding. This is a few years ago. He was like standing on a bike. He was someplace where he was. He did the program on his phone and the bike. And then I read the most famous one of all,

which I just mentioned to you, was Lou Dobbs. The great, great, great, Lou Dobbs was on this program once and he was in a car and he said, you know, I'm waiting for my wife. She's having a dental appointment.

And I did the interview with him in the car while he's waiting for his wife to finish her dental appointment. And then you said, you knew Lou and you know his wife, which is insane. Do you understand how insane that is, how random that is? That's a God thing right there. That's just nuts.

I still can't believe I brought it up. And then you actually said that his wife, that they even have supported inspire sports camps. I mean, that's just God. I don't know, Kurt, how else? That's just so bizarre. I can not get over that. It's amazing.

It's great. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know how it came up, but it's an amazing story, yep. I mean, I'm just, I just cracking up. So, so obviously, now Lou has passed, he's in glory, but his wife is alive. And you're saying that they're in Jersey as well.

I didn't even know, you know, I didn't even know where they lived, but somehow they know, and again, I brought them up totally randomly, they know about inspire sports camps and they've been supporters. Like, that's so amazing to me that I just,

randomly brought up Lou Dobbs doing an interview in a car. All right, so tell my audience, how did you get into this? I mean, this is just a, you know, it's obviously beautiful thing. I can't think of anybody so hard-hearted that they wouldn't care about this. Well, yeah, thanks for asking. So, you know, several steps along the way, Eric, but, you know, I myself had as a young adult been exposed to a ministry like this. One that you've highlighted, one that I still to this day love called Kids Across America. in Branson, Missouri, that serves, you know, pretty much the same population of kids just in a

different region of the country. After, after, you know, a few stops in my young adult world, including, you know, graduating college and coaching football for 10 years at the high school level, the Lord just continued to lay this vision on my heart and saying, where is the ministry like kids across America in this northeast region? Reaching, you know, quite honestly, the mission field in our backyard using a high quality sports experience, but fully gospel focused. And like I said, 15 years ago was an idea that we just started to share. And we just started to share this idea with any urban-based leader, whether they were related to a church or a nonprofit or an after-school program, who might want to

send their kids to this type of experience in this overnight camp opportunity. Now, before we go to the first break, I just want to make sure people know how to find you. InspireSportscamps.com. Exactly. Yep, that's it. Inspire Sports with an S, camps with an S.com. Yep. Inspire SportsCamps.com.

Folks, I'm talking to Kurt Schwartz of Inspire Sports Camps. We'll be right back. Folks, I'm talking to Kurt Schwartz of Inspire Sports Camp. Okay, Kurt, so you said you had a story or two you wanted to share. Yeah, well, Eric, it's really all about, we say our visions to see cities transformed one camper at a time, right? So our focus now this summer, we're going to be blessed to hit a milestone that we haven't hit yet in 2025. We're going to be serving over a thousand young people from inner city neighborhoods across the northeast. We'll see kids from all five boroughs in New York City.

We'll see kids from Newark, from New Jersey City, New Jersey, from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, from Poughkeepsie, New York's Grant and PA. And we're going to be partnering with close to 70 urban-based leaders now to get these kids to camp. But no matter how many total kids we see this summer, the focus is always going to be on one. And what we like to say and how we like to train our staff is, you know, you're there for the one kid. You're there for the one unlovable, the one that's hard to connect with, the one that's hard to reach. Because if that's how he is at camp or she is at camp, that's most likely how they are throughout the year. So you're looking for that kid. And we say that our best moments of camp, yeah, sure, they might happen in our club services at night or our small groups that we prep for.

But most of our most important and impactful experiences will happen on the side of a basketball court, where a kid is having a conversation with a counselor one-on-one or in a canoe rowing down in the lake, and they're just getting to know each other. And we say, you're focused on that one. So, Eric, you know, that one kid comes to camp, and you never know the story you're going to hear. We had a girl come three years in a row from the Bronx.

And she, on year number one, believe it or not, did not make it all the way through camp. a very small percentage of kids that end up going home before the weekends. But she was one of the few that summer that didn't make it through and ended up, you know, her week was cut early. Next year she shows up because we give kids a second chance, third chance, just like we've gotten in life, man. We believe in that.

So she comes and I meet the bus and I hop on and say, hey, guys, you're ready to go. And she's sitting front row. And her name's tiny. All right? That's the name she likes to go by. We call her Tiny. So Tiny's tiny looks up at me, says, hey, Kurt. I said, hey, girl, how are you doing?

She says, I'm ready for a good week this time. And she meant it, man. She got off that bus. She connected with her counselor that week. She not only finished the week, Eric, she finished the week. And she did the ultimate thing that happens at camp. She went up to what we call the born again bell. And she went up with her count.

counselor says, I'm ready to give my life to Jesus. And I want to ring this bell and I want to tell the whole camp I'm making this decision. And she rang that bell at camp for all to hear. And when that goes off the whole camp cheers, the whole camp goes wild. She then shared her story at closing rally of her life, which includes, you know, a background where there's not much support at home and where much of the responsibilities are left to her. So this escape. from camp where where she herself was able to enjoy and let loose, brought her to a place in her life spiritually that she had never been to. And she shared that with everyone. Now, here's the best part. The story didn't end on year two. She came back year three and she was just a leader in

her cabin. And we saw the transformational life right in front of us, man. So this girl, this girl, we've watched her grow up. We've watched her. go through her struggles, her victory, and now walk forward as a new creation. It's amazing. It's amazing to see that unfold. And every summer we get to see campers come back now and see these same stories over and over again. I mean, I think sometimes, you know, speaking about myself, we forget what lives young kids lead. We don't know what they go home to. And the idea that they could experience something like this, that there's a hunger, folks, let's face it.

These kids, they're hungry for truth. They're hungry for God. Even if they don't know it, they are. And for them to be able to be exposed to it, it's, it's, how can you not be moved by it? My goodness, my goodness. So now, it's called Inspire Sports Camps, because obviously there's all kinds of sports stuff going on.

And that's like the ostensible focus. Sure. So we have, we have, you know, high quality sports training with, with high school, coaches, college athletes coming in to be our coaches. And, you know, two and a half hours a day, they're going to get basketball. They're going to get soccer. They're going to get a dance class, which, you know, I never thought, Eric, I'd be running a dance camp. But, you know, the fact that a matter is we have, we have kids that come in.

And those dancers, they perform their dance at the end of the week with this choreograph. to dance to hip hop and Latin music. It's one of the highlights for everyone. But, you know, all that fun stuff surrounded by camp activities they've never done before. Hiking, high adventure, low ropes, zip lines, you know, fishing, canoeing, all that good stuff. And then, you know, highlighted every day is the fact that we get to bring in a different speaker. And every week, we'll bring in five to six different speakers that lay out a different aspect of the gospel for these kids and then follow it up with a small group and follow it up with an opportunity for them to really tell us how they feel and where they're at with the whole thing.

I just love this. This is so amazing. And it's funny because I think a lot of times we forget that if you can reach a kid like this, you're changing the world. You're absolutely changing the world. And I think, too, a lot of these kids don't even have a, I mean, many of us take it for granted. that I have nice memories growing up of my summers. A lot of kids don't get that.

They're in the city. And folks, I live in the city. And when you drive around here, I think, if people don't get out of here in the summer, kids, that's tough. That is really, really tough. So if I can, Eric, just one of our urban-based leaders, just to your point, a powerful quote, just a couple summers ago, said, this is our kids' operations. opportunity to get out of the city. Some of them have never left their neighborhood before. So to your point, it's one of the things that the partners we serve, and by the way, the partners we serve are doing tremendous work throughout the year. But we get a chance to be

their getaway experience. And that's what God's called us to do. I want to hold you over for a final short segment. Folks, I'm talking to Kurt Schwartz. It's Inspire Sports Camps. the website is inspire sports camps.com. Inspire sports camps.com. We'll be right back. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Kurt Schwartz with Inspire Sports Camps. I'm inspired hearing about this, Kurt.

I've got to tell you, it just gives me joy. It's so simple and beautiful. So you were just sharing about a story a moment ago. Yeah, I was. So, you know, Eric, we have, you know, kids come from, you know, like all the neighbors I mentioned earlier in this time. And, you know, last year we had one of our partners reach out to us and say, hey, can we add one more, one more kid to our reservation? And, you know, we said, sure, you know, without really even needing to know, but they shared that they had just learned about. a family, you know, a mother and her children that were living in shelters and did not have a permanent home to live in at that time. And they really wanted to get this kid away for this experience, especially at this difficult time in their life. This kid was able to come. And, you know, every single summer, we have a chance to serve young people just like that.

children and teens who have stories that, you know, we don't know ahead of time. And we don't even fully learn during the time, but we know that God has them there for a reason. And God worked and God moved. And that kid had an unbelievable experience. One of my staff members remembered this. She says, hey, Kurt, that was the same kid that we saw a video on the bus ride home just singing some of the songs that she learned. And, you know, and she, and they, they reminded me of that, you know, later on.

You know, so, so we're getting a chance to reach kids right where they're at, see Christ making an amazing and eternal impact on their lives, and we're fortunate and blessed to do it. I'm just, you know, I'm moved by this whole thing. I hope somebody out there will contact you and write a big check. This is, it's just beautiful. It's just beautiful. And I, you know, especially because it's in the Northeast area, I know this world up here. And, you know, this is not Texas, folks.

This is like these kids are not in environments where they're hearing the good news or whatever. So it's just an, it's amazing thing. Now, where is the camp? Or, yeah, where does this happen? Yeah, so, thank you for asking that. So, Eric, we are a, we're a program. So we have some phenomenal camp facility partners. of them about two hours outside, two hours from the George Washington Bridge in New York. So we have,

they're all in eastern Pennsylvania, and we run six consecutive weeks of camp at three at these three sites. And each week at camp, we'll see approximately 200 campers come through. This summer on the other side of things, you know, we'd love for anyone to be involved that might be listening, might be interested in being involved. We're going to be hiring 250 summer staff volunteers. Our entire program is staffed by volunteers who are looking for a domestic missions experience. So we're offering that experience for young adults and adults of any age that are just young

at heart that want to come be a part of a camp experience and it impacts some some lies for Jesus. Well, as I say, Kurt, I'm just so touched by this thinking about it. I'm grateful for you doing this. Praise the Lord. Folks, I hope you'll go to the website. It's inspiresportscamps.com. I know this is speaking to people out there.

I knew it would inspire sports camps.com. And there's a video there. Is that right? Oh, yeah. There's videos on our YouTube. page. They give a phenomenal, you know, visual presentation and give you the really the whole story of where our ministry comes from and, you know, how it's being used today. Okay. Inspiresportscamps.com. Kurt Schwartz, God bless you, my brother. Thank you. Thank you, Eric.

Thanks so much for having me today.