The Eric Metaxas Show - James O'Keefe (Encore)

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

James O'Keefe to Release New Documentary, ”Line in The Sand” with Tucker Carlson.

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Thanks for having me, Eric. I really appreciate it. Well, you're tough to sum up. The best guests always are. You founded an nonprofit organization called Defining Truth in 2022 after you ran for Congress in California. And you saw the need for an articulable defense of Western civilization and Christian Judaic values in civics. Talk a little bit about what you mean by that because I am tracking with what you say, but it's better if you say it than if I try to say it. Sure, absolutely. And of course, everyone knows, right, a guy like you, you are tracking that. So that's awesome to hear. And you've been inspirational, covered your books. They're fantastic. Just want to throw that out there. But I think the issue that drew me into what I'm doing now is that when I ventured into the land of politics and you get a peek behind the curtain, you realize that not everyone out there is engaged. In fact, the opposite, not engaging in the culture war as they should. And that proliferates.

into the highest levels of government as well. We've dismissed the culture war or relegated it to the left. And we don't engage in it. And that really was the core of the problem that I sort of discovered when I ran for Congress unsuccessfully. Now, before that, I spent 20 years in the government, so I wasn't any stranger to working around government people. Mostly on the tactical side. I was in the military, and I was in law enforcement for many years. But the biggest disappointment was the lack of engagement.

in the culture war from our own people, and especially the church in America. And that just sort of turned us on to this entirely new focus where we took a step back from politics and said, we got some issues to fix in our own house first. Okay, so Josiah, everything you just said, I mean, we're tracking radically, radically. It has become really sickening to me to see. My new book is called Religinalist Christianity. And part of it is the nightmare of a church being merely, religious, like playing at religion, playing at Christianity, and not doing Christianity. So it's

ultimately satanic. You're serving the devil's purposes because you've got all the trappings of the faith, but you don't have the power and the life of Jesus, of the Holy Spirit. And part of what that looks like is a total lack of discipleship. Another you say, well, we just do this privatized, pietistic Christianity. So it's all about your relationship with Jesus and it's all about the Bible. of it's not because if you really read the Bible, the Bible leads you beyond the Bible to apply what the Lord commands us to do in the scripture in life. And then how do you do that? Well, you need discipleship. You need pastors and teachers to explain this is what your faith looks like now. This is what we're facing now. We're not living in the Roman Empire. We're living in America.

This is how the enemy has stacked the deck against us. And this is how the Lord wants us to live out our faith now. And so something happened where a lot of, I mean, part of what I see is a lot of, you know, it's the standard megachurch seeker model. They were kind of like, we want to put rear ends in the seats. We want to get everybody, quote, unquote, saved, and all that other stuff will take care of itself. And so they basically have created a church that's, you know, miles wide and a millimeter deep. There is no depth. They don't seem. to understand that if I believe in Jesus, that's going to make me vote against, first of all, it's going to make me vote, and it's going to make me vote against all of this evil stuff.

They're not separated. My faith is connected to how I live, including how I live politically, and I do all this different stuff. So it's a tremendous lack of discipleship. So you hear churches saying, like, well, we just preach the Bible. No, you don't. Because if you preach the Bible, you are discipling your people. You're activating your people. You're activating your people. You're sending them out to do God's work out beyond the building of the church, beyond Sunday morning, and that's not happening. And so you saw that because you ran for Congress in California where this is just an epidemic. You have tons and tons and tons of Americans, tons of Californians. They say, I'm a Christian, and they don't vote.

They don't live their – I mean, it's unbelievable. So I'm so glad you saw it firsthand, but I'm much more glad. that you're doing something about it. And the book, of course, is defining truth. And I know you deal with it in the book. So keep going. Yeah. So at best, what you're describing, at best is ignorance.

And at worst, it's cowardice. And that is what we encountered. I mean, you mentioned voter demographics. The area that I ran was enormous. Millions of people that live in that area. And close to or under 3% actually showed up to vote. That's total left and right. So if you break it down by the amount of churches and people's in pews on Sundays,

virtually no one showed up. And this is repeated across the entire country. And you really hit the nail on the head with discipleship, because I run into this all the time. People are going to church. They get a feel good message, and they come out and they don't know how to apply that practically in their lives. They're given the milk of the gospel and not the meat,

the meat being how to go out and be salt in light. How to apply this in circumstances outside of your, you know, Christian coffee shop environment. Like I mentioned, I spent years in austere environments in the military and in law enforcement. And it's like, okay, who's disciplining these young men and women to go out and live their faith in the public sector? That could be news media. That could be government service. That could be, you know, wherever it is that the Lord has placed you in life, you have to be able to take a bold stance.

And I think what bothered me the most was that the church has now begun to validate the left's narrative. And this is where I said, at best, it's ignorant, at worst, it's cowardice, because we've had this roadmap called the 20th century for a long time. We've seen the evils and the death and the violence that the 20th century has brought. In my research, I studied the Soviets and what they were doing culturally. One particular person, Alexander Colentai, was the first people's commissar for welfare in the Soviet Union. Her entire work was focused on separating. children from their parents, right? Sound familiar? I mean, this is, this is nothing new, and they did it with a purpose. So what I try to get people to do when they read the book or when I talk with them,

I try to get them to ask themselves, look, the world is hyper-focused on the culture war. The church is not. And I would like people to ask themselves, why? Why does the left focus so much on getting your children away from you? Why are they obsessed with the transgender movement? There is ultimately a political purpose. It's about power. It's not because Hillary Clinton cares about 14-year-old transgender kids. I doubt it. There's a political motivation, and so we're trying to get the church to wake up, as you said, and say, how do we practically apply the Word of God and live it out in a way that actually is loving people? Because here's the big lie.

The church thinks that being passive and weak is the best way to love people. And in fact, it's the exact opposite. That's what Satan wants people to believe. that if the second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself, there is no better way possibly to do that than to be invested in the lives of your neighbors and in your community in civics. If you don't care about them, by all means, don't show up and vote. You're handing your nation over to the enemy, and we all know what happens with that. Well, there's no doubt about it. I mean, again, I've become so disgusted with so much of the church. Now, of course, there are

heroic pastors, most of them I know personally at this point. It's unbelievable. But there are so many that are looking the other way. And I want to be real clear, folks, if you're going to a church that is looking the other way, you are guilty. You are guilty. Just as the Germans who went to churches, they were just doing church while the Nazis were taking power, they could have done something to avert the nightmare of satanic activity that, resulted as the Nazis got power and then used it, they could have averted it, they chose not to. And there are innumerable American Christians right now going to churches that are looking the other way. And they'll even say, oh, my pastor preaches the Bible.

No, your pastor does not preach the Bible because if he preached the Bible, he might be a good man. He might think he's preaching the Bible. But if he actually preached the Bible, he would be talking about these things. because the Bible talks about talking about these things. It doesn't say just believe it in your head and then go on. You've got to live it out. Josiah O'Neill, just great to meet you here. Congratulations on the book, Defining Truth.

Folks, you can find Josiah at definingtruth.org. Definingtruth.org. Josiah, thank you. Hey, folks, hold off on purchasing your first order from Balance of Nature because I've got some information you need to hear. If you go to Balance of Nature.com to buy their popular fruit and veggie supplements, a discount offer will pop up. It may say 20 or 25% off your first order. Don't click that because if you use my code, you'll get a much better offer, 35% off your first order plus free shipping. My special code is Eric.

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or a 10-ounce silver American flag bar with every qualifying IRA. That's noblegoldinvestments.com. Hey there, folks, as promised, James O'Keefe is my guest. James, welcome back. Great to be with you. It's always great to see you. You're an encouragement to me. You crack me up, which is pretty much my highest compliment. You're doing stuff that just, I'm astonished, thrilled, encouraged. Right now you said you're in Campo, California, on the southern border of this country. That's right, Eric. We're working last night very late, working today to get comment from the people that are in this movie, Border Patrol agents, cartel, if you can believe they or not. we're interacting with down here.

Just about an hour east of San Diego, where a lot of the immigrants have, illegal immigrants have migrated westward from Texas and Arizona and they're cutting through the steel beams. So this movie, line in the sand, you actually get immersed with the illegal immigrants. You get to hear the conversations and chatter

between the cartel and the immigrants. So it's really, I wanted to make a film, Eric, that was not just a commentary about it or a retrospective, which many documentaries are like that. This is actually, you become one of them. You're immersed in it like the cinema verite. You're familiar with what I do. And the movie comes out October 10th.

We're here getting comment from the officials. So why did you decide to do this? Let me ask you that. Because, you know, there's been a lot of, everybody in America at this point should know that we're having a nightmare, A crisis like we have not seen on our southern border. It seems calculated by the left. It seems like open wickedness, they're pretending merely to be incompetent, but they want this. What is your perspective on that?

Is that what drove you to make the film? I feel like what you just said applies to everything in American society right now. I can't think of any institution, including the church, which you've written about, I can't think of any institution that doesn't apply to. In fact, in the film that we actually have whistleblowers from the Catholic Church that exposed they're getting money from the Department of Homeland Security, which I did not know that, Eric. And I think a lot of people don't know. I mean, they know sort of peripherally that things are rotten, but when you actually like see it, when you see the faces of the children that are drugged, I think it changes you. I think that people need to see the truth, even though they may know the truth in some way.

That's been my life's mission ever since I started was to show people images. And I also believe that telling the story, I wanted to tell the story from the origin where they come from southern Mexico and they come to Irapato and get on that Mexican freight train called the Beast. I wanted to show their entire journey because I don't think that people have told that exact story. And what I found, Eric, is the truth is a little more. more complicated. And I found that many of them are decent people. And I also found that in making this film, and Eric, you and I've talked about this a lot, and I think about our conversations almost on a daily basis, that it's not a film about the border. It's a film about human nature. And choosing to feed your family, I heard that a lot, by the way, and do your job, do earn a living,

and what happens when you cross a threshold and you do evil things in order to feed your family? And That's a really hard thing. It's not as easy as people think. It's even hard for me to fathom that notion. And when people do anything to feed their family, including doing evil things, that's why the film is called Line in the Sand. Where do we draw that line? That's a really complicated subject matter.

Well, you brought up a lot of important stuff just then. So I want to address some of it. First of all, let's be real clear. Most of the people who want to come to this country or who are coming to this country are good people. We're not worried about them. They probably shouldn't be allowed to come most of them, but you can't blame them for wanting to come. The point, of course, is that, you know, for every number of them, we are letting in really, really, really bad guys, and we are exacerbating all kinds of evil, sex trafficking. I mean, people need to think about child rape, fentanyl, pouring across, killing people.

It is so wicked. And so I think sometimes we're told, you know, a lot of people on the left, you know, the famous bleeding heart liberals, they're not really looking at the larger problem and who's being hurt. They kind of focus you on, oh, look, this poor family, and you think, well, that might be true that a family in Guatemala wants to come to America. But what happens if you don't vet them? What happens when you just open the door and let everybody come in? So obviously it is complicated. And so it's not about demonizing immigrants per se, but clearly many immigrants are getting into this country and doing tremendous harm, generally speaking. I mean, it's a huge issue.

But when you talk about the film is called Line in the Sand, are you saying that there are people, who are the people you're talking about? I mean, you've talked about the FBI, for example, people that are willing to do evil things, break down your door, arrest you, it happened to you. And they know they're doing something dirty. They're not doing something beautiful and noble. They're not catching bad guys. They're being told by bad guys to catch good guys. Is that what you mean when you say that people are doing things because they want to get their pension? Yeah, that's really what this film is about.

And it's a very profoundly deep question, which. is in the trailer of the film, which is at what point when you sacrifice your value system and integrity in order to, quote, unquote, do your job, and you and I've talked about this extensively. We could talk about this for hours. You've written a book effectively about it. At what point does that make you a bad person? And where do you draw that line, by the way? And by the way, if you think that's an easy question to answer, I said on your show on Socrates in the city that, you know, my price is my life, and I meant it. But most people's price is actually their children's life. People will do anything to feed their family, and rightfully so.

But we're getting to a crisis of conscience in this country, and this is really what the movie is about. Because I, seen throughout the entire film, it's very dystopian, it's very cynical. Everyone's saying, I'm just doing my job. I don't like what I'm doing, but, you know, and then you meet these whistleblowers who are so heroic, and they're jumping on that grenade for all of us. There's, they actually, there's a scene, I don't want to, I don't want to spoil it, but where it's unbelievable, these Border Patrol agents. And they go out on a limb in uniform to blow the whistle on what they're seeing happen to underage girls. And they can't live with themselves doing this job.

And they're making $130, $150,000 a year. That's a lot of money with pension. And many of them can't live with the conflict and with their conscience is not clean. So you contrast those two groups of people. Maybe it's 99.9% of people just doing their job and 0.1% of people who are heroes. And it's really about that. It's about the guy actually draws a line with the stick in the sand to indicate that he cannot do this anymore. And that's what the film is really about.

What world that we entered, James, when it's 0.5% that are going to say, I'm going to do the right thing. I mean, this gets to God, right? to the issue is that if you don't fear God, if you really think there's no God and it's all on you and you need to get the money and who's to say what's good or evil, you'll do anything. You've become a pawn of evil forces. But if you know that any good thing comes from God and that God will take care of your family, God will take care of you if you do the right thing, if you believe that on any level, then you won't do the wrong thing.

So it's just fascinating to me how many people, this is why the issue of God is central in our nation, because what people do and don't do is really a reflection of what they ultimately believe. And if you just believe nobody's watching, there's no God. I got to take care of number one, whatever. It leads to a really, really dark world. But when you say people doing their job, who are you talking about? In other words, who are some of the people just doing their job looking the other way and saying, I don't want to get involved?

I'm not going to blow the whistle. I want to get my money. You're talking about border patrol agents? Because I normally would think of them as the good guys who are stuck with a bad situation. Yeah, that's what you would think. I mean, you're bus drivers. I mean, what was remarkable, my takeaway was the bus drivers, the police officers, the state troopers. I was just detained by the Vermont State Police, Eric, this past weekend, because I was asking for comment.

They had parked state trooper vehicles outside the Border Patrol chief's homes on the Canadian border, because one of the people in the film is from Vermont and was a Border Patrol agent, they all protect each other, they all protect the system. And I don't think people really know how it is. People think, oh, it's the United Nations, and it may be, it may be some centralized global force. But what I found in the film is that, so that old adage, follow the money, it was all about money.

Everyone was making so much money off of it. And I'm talking big money. I mean, the CEO of some of these companies in Texas housing, these unaccompanied children making a million dollars a year, all their staff are making half a million dollars a year. And they actually said to me, the bus drivers, the police officers, they all said, I need the flow of children to keep coming so that I can keep making all this money. It's so simple. It's almost a tale as old as time. It doesn't really surprise you. In fact, maybe it does surprise you that they're caught saying it.

but you begin to realize, and this is what they said to me, they said, James is never going to stop. They said, this is never going to stop. So why not? But somebody's greasing this kid. Somebody's given the money. The federal government. But they need the complicity of all of the people you're talking about. Shame on every one of them.

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Folks, welcome back talking to James O'Keefe. The brand new film is Line in the Sand. You can find out about it at line in the sandmovie.com. Line in the sandmovie.com. It comes out October 10th on the Tucker Carlson Network. So James, you're telling me that part of the picture, because, yes, I believe there are dark forces in our government. There are globalists.

There are really wicked people that want to flood this nation with illegal immigrants, with people that do not share our culture. So they may not be inherently bad people, but they don't share our culture. They don't share our values. But they want what we got. And so if you let them in and you don't assimilate them culturally, it leads to every kind of harm and evil. So there are people who want that.

But you're saying it's the people making the money. This is like if you talk about, you know, Hitler and Gebbels and whatever, they have a plan, but they need the complicity of, you know, some 100,000 Germans to kind of go along, just to go along with this. So the death camps are not necessarily staffed by people that are on board with the idea, but they're willing to go along with it. And so that's what you're talking about. You're talking about people inside the system who are just willing to look the other way. Yeah, and they're afraid.

And one of the whistleblowers in the film, Zach is his name, he says, he's with tears in his eyes. He said, I put my faith in God. I fear not man. And he's out on a limb. He's doing this alone. And right now, as I speak, other Border Patrol agents don't want him to be alone. So they're considering blowing the whistle. They have a crisis of conscience.

But, and this is where it gets quite biblical, they're afraid that the system is going to, to expose their sins and go after them personally. So it's really, these are really deep themes. And I found that it is about the money for most people. They're just, and most people are not, they're not, they're 0.1% of people are willing to take the lead, but most people are followers. And I think this movie is going to make a lot of Border Patrol agents question what they're doing.

And again, where do you draw that line? At what point is just doing your job? make you evil. I don't know the answer to that question. But when you talk about half a million children are missing in three years and you're part of a system. But let's break it down. We say missing. What does this mean? In other words, they're just doing, the people you're talking about, they're saying, oh, I'm just doing my job. It's not my business. It's above my pay grade. I'm just going to do my job. Okay. You doing your job is making it possible for children to be raped multiple times, correct? I mean, is that what we're talking about here?

Yeah, and in the case of the Border Patrol agents, they're processing, they send these under 14 years old, they don't take their biometrics, and they're being sent off with sponsors who themselves are illegal immigrants, and they are raped and trafficked. Listen, here's what they should think about, spending eternity in hell. Like, that's what they need to think about. They clearly are not afraid of that. They're not thinking about that. But one of the most chilling things in the Bible is when Jesus talks about better that they had never been born, better that a millstone would be hanged around their neck and they would be cast into the heart of the sea. I mean, when you allow children to be violated or when you look the other way and that happens because you could have done something but you didn't do something, they should be scared to death about doing what they're doing.

So it's kind of funny. Like they're worried about maybe losing their job or something, but they're not as scared of what they really should be scared about. I mean, there is just nothing that is clear in the Bible that the violation of children, they should be scared to death of hell. They should be really scared of the judgment of God. And this gets back to what I was saying earlier, that we live in a culture that doesn't talk about that, that doesn't think about that. That's real. And it's just kind of amazing what you're describing. to me, that they're just willing to go along with this.

I don't think people realize, I don't think people know that the federal HHS, Health and Human Services is funding this trillion-dollar, billions and billions of dollars to these corporations that you've never heard of, I've never heard of. I snuck into these, Eric, these child detention places in Texas, places like Southwest Keys and Sunny Glenn. Americans don't know about these institutions, that they get a billion dollars. And they don't, and I think that it would wake. people up a little bit to see the faces of the people in these institutions, not even thinking.

It was sort of like that planned parent investigation done by David Delighton. They weren't thinking of this in terms of a moral issue or children being raped. The only thing that they thought about was, yeah, it's great money and here's the money thing for us. And it was almost that's what actually shocked me about it. I came into this with this moral framework about children and human beings. And what I found was just this industry. I mean, on every single level, we know the cartel, but even the cartel guys cutting through the fence.

And by the way, in the film, you actually see me talking to them. I was terrified. They actually were sawing through a steel beam with this massive saw as the Border Patrol agent watched. And when I walked over to the Border Patrol and said, what are you doing? They're coming. He just shrugged his shoulders and said, I got five years left, man. And I think people need to see that. Yeah, five years left.

And then he may go to hell for eternity. Sorry to hit the hell button so often, but it's unbelievable to me that people are not scared of God's judgment. It's really interesting. I don't normally talk quite like this. Anybody listens to the program, but the idea that people are shrugging and that this stuff is going on, it's like, hey, it's not my problem. Oh, it's going to be your problem. It's going to be your problem. Let me say something.

Let me say something I thought about this morning before I came to your show. They may not have said this, but imagine the worst thing you've done in your life. And we've all done things that we're not proud of. We're all sinners. And don't say it out loud, but if your audience is watching, imagine the most embarrassing thing you've done in your life ever, whether it's in your personal life, professional. And then imagine the powers that be, let's say you're a whistleblower. You come forward. You do the right thing, right?

You expose the industry and you expose. Imagine that that's on the front page of the New York Times. Yeah. Well, that's another story. We'll be right back, folks. We're talking to James O'Keefe. Hey, folks, hold off on purchasing your first order from Balance of Nature because I've got some information you need to hear. If you go to Balance of Nature.com to buy their popular fruit and veggie supplements, a discount offer will pop up.

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You're saying that some of them fear having the worst thing they did on the cover of a newspaper. That's right. That's what really start to get into the deep spiritual, psychological aspect of this. And I've been through this in a certain way. way, they will proverbially crucify you. They will take your, go through your life and find any transgression and magnify it. And that is the kind of shame-based deterrent for people doing the right thing. Okay, that's different, though. I just want to be real clear. We're talking about two different things. Yes, we are. And it is complicated. But so when somebody

just shrugs and says, hey, you know, it's not my problem. I'm not going to step up and do the right thing. they have sold their soul or that's that's that's majority of people but then you have this small contingent of people that have to reckon with this notion you said fear god not man but i mean this is this is brutal what what the system what the establishment can do to these so which makes their actions even more courageous like zach for example in the film in uniform you know in his patrol vehicle on patrol on the canadian border but i wanted i wanted to i wanted to make that point, Eric, that I think that you have to be okay with whatever sins you've committed. I'm talking about whistleblowers now, being aired before the public as a result of them being

truth tellers. It's a brutal thing they have to go through when you speak out publicly. Well, I mean, this is why, you know, when I would exhort somebody to have faith in the God of the Bible, the whole point is, God wants you to cast your sins on him. He wants you to say, yeah, I did all this stuff. I'm guilty. I put it at the foot of the cross. I know you want to forgive me if I confess it. And I think everybody wants that kind of freedom. And so if somebody brings up something that I did, you know, it's different if I know God personally. I think that, again, this is how evil works is it hangs these things over your head. It's right. Now, look, the mafia does it. Anybody who knows what's going to come out with the PD ditty stuff, with, you know, Epstein, that there are people afraid to speak out

because they have been involved in evil. So that's a, that is sort of a classic case of how evil works. And, but the point is, James, that because of people not speaking up, you and I are in far greater danger. In other words, that if, if there were, uh, any whistleblower, anybody speaking the truth doesn't have as hard a time if lots of others are doing the same thing. But if everybody's keeping their mouth shut, they're going to be like, let James take the heat or whoever, me, or all the people that might be speaking on this, then people who aren't speaking, you're complicit in our crucifixion, in our persecution. And so that's the point is that everybody needs to step up. Because if you don't, you're really allowing other

people to suffer. Yeah. And I mean, you look at this film. and you look at some of the images in it. And I think it is shocking. And like you said in the beginning, there's been a lot of reporting on the border, a lot of stand-ups in front of the fence. But, I mean, I put my heart and soul into this, Eric. I spent a year of my life immersed. My colleague was kidnapped by the cartel, Anthony. They took a crowbar, destroyed his, they let him go.

And then he rode the train with me again. And I was in Iropato. They said, Americans, you know, you should not be doing this. They might, they might ransom you. So I was terrified alongside the Venezuelans. I wanted to, I wanted the viewer to be part of the journey of the, from their origin all the way to New York City, where you live, Randall's Island on the East River is where these encampments are. And we followed the journey all the way. And I think, I think it's going to change things.

And the reason why I think it's going to change things, Eric, is because this individual is out on a limbs, Zach. He's charging up the hill about the underage girls. And I know right now there's a number of agents on the verge of coming forward. They don't want to leave Zach alone, leave him high and dry. They're having a crisis of conscience internally. The only way this country is going to change is if people stand together and speak up and take a leap of faith and fear God not man to quote Jodi O'Malley, the HHS whistleblower. And I think that this film may allow that.

to happen. I know that it will happen. It's just a question of to what degree here before the election. I mean, I want to be clear, and I've spoken about this endlessly for 15 years, but if you're heroic, if you're brave, if you're courageous, you inspire others to do the same. That's the way it is. And if you are not, you inspire others to be cowardly. You inspire others to keep their mouths shut. that's the way it works. In my book, Letter to the American Church, I talk about the spiral of silence. It happened in Germany in the 30s that if people would speak up, it would encourage other people to speak up to stand strong. But when you keep your mouth shut, you go, I'm going to keep my mouth shut, you are helping evil to make it harder and harder and harder for anyone else to speak up.

So that's why I say there's no neutral ground. either you're doing the right thing and helping others to do the right thing or you're doing the wrong thing and you're making it impossible almost for other people to do the right thing. So that's why I value what you're doing so much, James, because everything is at stake and it's just a handful of people really out there doing this, but you're going to encourage other people. Who knows people who see this film who might be inspired to speak up? That's what's going to happen.

I mean, I think you're going to see in the next few weeks, dozens of, I'm speaking to them right now, federal employees, border patrol agents. I mean, when you see these, I mean, that's really the question of the film. That's really about human nature. And it's about a journey into ourselves, a journey into what actually matters in light. You and I've talked about this stuff for years, Eric. I don't know if, Eric, people think about those things as much as you do.

I want them to think about those things as much as you do and even appeal to non-Christians, perhaps, on these things. There are people on the truth. And wrong is wrong. Listen, when you see a film with Gary Cooper as the hero or Jimmy Stewart as the hero, or you see one of these things, you say, oh, I want to be like that. Folks, your kids are watching you. They want to tell the story of my mom or my dad was a hero, did the right thing when

everybody else said, don't do it. You want to be a hero to your kids more than anything. This is where it is. Like, you know, if your kids say, well, my father looked the other way, you know, so that we could have nice things. Or my father was a hero and he did the right thing. I mean, so this is really, it's all on the line, folks, and you only live one time. James, can you stay for one more short segment?

Sure. Okay, folks, the film is Line in the Sand. You can go to Line In The Sandmovie.com. Line In The Sandmovie.com. October 10th is the release on the Tucker Carlson Network. I'll be right back with James O'Keefe. I'm talking to James O'Keefe, brand new film, Line in the Sand on the Tucker Carlson Network, comes out October 10th, Line in the Sandmovie.com. So, James, you mentioned HHS. So this is a government agency that is helping this evil to happen, that is funding this evil.

How is that possible that we can get to a place where we the people supposedly elect our federal officials? We're self-governing, but things have gotten so dark that we've got this deep state bureaucrats doing evil things. And so, I mean, is Mayorkas at the top of the food chain here? Who is doing this? Well, there's a whistleblower named Tara Rodas at Health and Human Services who was not fired by the HHS because she was blowing the whistle on the abusive children. and there's this vast infrastructure of NGOs, which is, or in the film, when the immigrants come from California up to San Diego, they go to this area where they drop in all these companies that the more immigrants they move,

the more money they receive. So it's sort of a self-perpetuating racket. It's this sort of, and as long as I've been alive, the government has never shrunk. It only gets bigger. So the government's funding this. Health and Human Services is funding. this racket and you've got lobbyists and lawyers. All these things are on tape, so don't take my word for it.

You can watch the film and listen to them and tell you yourself. But they're saying, we use lawyers to game the system to get the money into our pockets, to move more immigrants, and if they stop the flow of the people, the money stops coming into our pocket. So at the very, you know, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, before we get into this sort of, you know, dark, sinister international web, it's just self-balt. perpetuating. It's just basic economics. And people think that people in D.C. are doing, making moral decisions about what's right. No, no, no, no. They pick winners and losers.

And all these, including the churches, by the way, and that was one of the most shocking things about the film. John Smirak has talked about the Catholic Church and the Catholic bishops on this program, their complicity with this evil. And I was told, and I was told, I'm not going to name names. Oh, don't go after the churches, James. You know, your audience are Christian. I was like, I don't, I'm just going to follow the facts. Actual Christians obviously want you to go after the people that are doing this because there is nothing more despicable than somebody claiming to be a Christian and doing evil. So it is the job of Christians to hold Christians to a higher standard. And I'm glad you're doing that.

So they had a board meeting. It was leaked to me showing the board members of these called Catholic Charities, it's called. That's what it is. They're evil. All the bank statements. and I did not know this, but the Department of Homeland Security is paying. I did not know this. Giving tens of millions of dollars to Catholic charities.

I mean, and the people on the board, this is on video, we have not released this yet. It's in the film. They're saying, listen, we're not even Catholic. I mean, it's like you think that I would hire actors to say these things. It's on video, and I'm sure there's many more videos like this one. I did not. John Smirak has talked about Catholic Charities many times on this program. So it's just, you know, it's a vast infrastructure, a vast industrial complex that exists to enrich itself.

And what changed in my heart when I rode the freight train with the Venezuelans is it's a humanitarian. It's not, they throw these babies on a freight train. Some of them get run over. And maybe the Biden administration would, oh, this is humanitarian to bring all these people in this country. You've got to have to watch the movie and watch what these people go through to get here. It is not humanitarian. It is evil, perpetrated. Some of the scenes with children are hard to watch.

It's hard to make a movie about children getting raped. I don't show that stuff, but I do show some things. And I think that, like I said, the call to action of the film Line in the Sand, line of the sand movie.com comes out October 10th on Tucker Carlson's network, is to get more people to step forward and take a leap of faith. and I will be there to support them. I have attorneys. I have a foundation.

I'll pay their legal bills. I'll do whatever it takes. We're at a time. We love you, James O'Keefe. God bless you. Thanks for what you do. Thanks, Eric. Talk soon.