The Eric Metaxas Show - James O'Keefe - Part 2 (Encore)

Episode Date: March 2, 2022

James O'Keefe, author of "American Muckraker," continues his conversation about the sad state of journalism, but holds an overall optimistic view that "the truth will out." (Encore Presentation)

Folks, welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m.investments.com. That's legacy p.m.investments.com. Taxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Hey, folks, good news. We have my guest, James O'Kee, founder of Project Veritas, with us for the hour to continue our conversation from yesterday.

The new book is American Muckraker Rethinking. journalism for the 21st century. We're talking James about some big ideas, and I think I mentioned it yesterday that the real shock for me was when right before the 2020 election, everyone in the media declined to cover the Hunter Biden laptop story. There never was anything more that obviously needed covering by journalists. And that was the chilling moment for me when I saw big tech allied with big journalism to say that we are going to not cover this. And we even had, it's really gross when you have members of the deep state signing a big letter calling it Russian disinformation. I mean, that's a level, a diabolical level of gaslighting and lying that I thought that's the end of America.

We have never been. We've made movies about that kind of evil. Mr. Smith goes to Washington. Right. But to see it happening in our time, that's when I thought we've gone over the cliff. You've said it beautifully. Speaking personally, my level of diabolical evil was when Project Veritas was banned on Twitter for quoting CNN. That was my whatever the modern version of Woke is.

I've heard people say black-pilled, red-pilled, whatever pill. But the moment, the event horizon that we crossed from me was when they banned me from Twitter for, quoting the other guy, I was like, whoa. Because I think it takes a little bit of sort of naivete and innocence inside of a Project Veritas journals to be doing this to begin with. And I want to say something else about this. I gave a speech in Mamereyck, New York, which is where I live in the Yacht Club last week, to a book launch event I had.

And people were saying, well, it's over. Country's over. It's all over. There's no rights. It's like, the hell it's over. It's over if you say it is. And if you manifest that, if you believe that, Was it negative prayer?

If you want to just keep saying we have no rights. Negative confession. Negative confession. I mean, what you're saying right now is like so big for me because you want to say to the people in the Marinaciaciacat club, it's over because of you. Because of what you just said and your willingness to lie down in a fetal position under the couch when you should be fighting. Right. That's such an important point because I get this, and I'm sure you do. Top ask questions.

Do you fear for your life? What can I do? There's no rights. Nothing will ever happen to these people. And I say, well, it's still, our rights and our freedom still exist in our hearts inside of our souls. Right. And every one of you in this room needs to do something about it.

And, you know, we're a nation, e pluribus unum, equality before the law, these beautiful things. I think they bring us together. I think what unites us is much stronger than the silly, petty divisions that we focus on in the media. And I think the majority of Americans, the vast majority, agree. They're just afraid. but courage is contagious. Inside of each and every one of us,

we believe in these things. We are not the Bolsheviks. We're not the Jacobins. We're not the Canadians. We're Americans. This is a sovereign country. And we believe in these principles. So I have to try to get people to do something about it.

Not just to talk about it and complain about it. That's another thing I'm tired of. I'm tired of the complaining. Well, look, what you're talking about, because I always want to frame these things. I want people to understand. Speaking as a Christian, despair, is a sin.

So it's not like courage is extra credit. No. Courage is basic. God demands of us that we fear him and have courage in every other's fear. So when everybody says it's over, we can't win, they're never going to get prosecuted, nothing about it. You're giving voice to the devil's word. Those are the devil's words. Why do people do that?

Why do people say that? Because we're sinners and they need people like you and me to remind them. over and over and over again, that yes, we all know the temptation to do that, but it's wrong, and somebody needs to say that is wrong. Despair is a sin. If you want to know why the Holocaust happened, it's because good Germans, just like folks like us, said, nah, there's nothing I can do. I don't want to lose my job.

I don't want to lose. If you do not fight, you become part of the problem. So when somebody just complains and says, no one will ever prosecute them, I think to myself, listen, even if that's true, it's not true. In other words, even if it's true for you to say it and to operate that means that you're not doing what might be the tipping point to make something happen where they do get prosecuted. And so I think that we have to say that over and over and over again, because in the

conservative world, and in the Christian world, it's a huge temptation. I've seen it over and over where people are almost happy to throw in the towel. they're never going to be prosecuted. Jesus is coming back soon. Is that rationalize their own inaction to them? Obviously. No, there's no question that that's what that is. It's funny too because people always have like a theological

or some kind of a rationalization for why. Like they think, I'm just being real. You're a Pollyanna. You're naive to think that we could defeat the deep state. I know, I read the end of the book and we're all going to be persecuted. And I think you're misreading the book. You're supposed to find. fight with joy until the end. And if God allows you like Polycarc or any of the other martyrs

to die, well, that's God's business. But for you to kind of volunteer to die or to lie down, look, the early Christians were said, they said, just a little pinch of incense to Caesar. Just a little bit and we'll leave you alone. Just worship Caesar a little bit. Some of them said, okay, I'll do that. And others said, I can't do that. I fear God more than I fear whatever Caesar is going to do to me. So these things, there's nothing new under the sun. But we're living in a time right now where folks like you and me, we hear this over and over, this whining negativity. Well, got to the point at one of these events, Eric, where I said, I say, excuse me, I have to move on from you. Because over there, there's someone who does want to do

something, and you're just wasting my time. And my time is limited. So let me go talk to that. Jones over there because that guy wants to do something that you're not willing to do. Apparently you're trying to make yourself feel better by complaining to me. I don't have time for that. That's where I am right now because this is a movement now, Eric, and there's a lot of great people. You saw Patrick Davis inside CNN come out.

I hope you saw that story. By the time of this filming, it's about to release tomorrow morning, a guy inside CNN who said all the things that you say and he works for CNN and now he works for Project Veritas. And he's an example of, God, if we had a hundred more like him,

then maybe we would change these things, and there would be accountability. But it is going to require, I don't know what the word is, suffering, pain. Maybe suffering's too strong. But I mean, it's kind of like saying, like, you know, no pain, no gain. Like, you want to have that beach body?

Well, you're going to have to suffer. You have to go to the gym, or you're going to have to not eat this and I get. And you think, folks, it's a pretty good trade. Maybe people want something for nothing. They want to gain this higher value without making any sacrifice. That doesn't make sense. Well, see, that's the other thing, too.

I think we have to be careful. And when you say that there's going to be suffering, you don't want people to get the wrong impression. You want to say that, but it's worth it. Like when you deny yourself for the right reason, the upside dramatically outweighs the downside. Like denying Twinkies, if you're, if that's. that's your thing, or denying whatever one eats too much of in order to get the beach body. Yeah. That is a good analogy.

I mean, but I'm saying like this is the way reality works, all of reality works, that you work hard, right? If you work hard and you save money and you can buy a house and you can bless your family, you don't say, oh, I suffered. It was awful. You say, no, that's what work is, and it's for a very good reason. And there's life after whistleblowing. These stories in this book, the book is replete with examples. In the 20th century, I think it was different.

There wasn't an internet. There wasn't GiveSengo, which is a Christian crowd-sourced website. Our whistleblowers have raised sometimes half a million bucks. They don't do it for that reason. But there's life after whistleblowering, and it's about satisfying your own soul. That's what this is really about. Yeah. Like my situation, three and a half years, could have been worse, confinement.

But honestly, I think that was a gift. There'd be no Project Beratos without what I endured. Something worse would have happened. I would have made mistakes. I would have... That experience really taught me a lot and I think was a gift to me. Okay, that's why these stories need to be told, and that's why you're telling it on this program because it's an encouragement to people.

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Nobody wants to get arrested. I mean, if you want to suffer, you're an idiot. You are a masochist. But if you avoid suffering when that is the path to freedom and to living with your conscience, then you're a fool. And so we have to say this over and over because the temptation is strong. I think it's a powerful point, Eric, that no one. actually says until I've been on your program, I'm kind of thinking out loud and forming new thoughts

here, but I write in this book on page 12 of this book, in the lowest point of my life, I think like, and I'm not a psychologist, but I'm going to be for a moment. Just like any survivor of psychological abuse, the muck waker over time starts to realize a new kind of superpower. I'm actually on page six. Reborn through baptism by fire, he is invigorated by the knowledge he is no longer a slave to fear. No one can deprive me of my reputation. I've already have been deprived of that too many times through declarations from credible journalists by virtue of their own decree, they are indeed credible. So it's your reputation, the deprivation of your reputation is basically a racket. You've got these people who work in the New York Times,

and by the way, do they have power? I suppose on some level they have power. They have the power to defame you and to make a Wikipedia page so repugnant. It evokes audible gasps from anybody who reads about me on the internet. And does that hurt? It does. But after a while, it was like, why am I worried about what Wikipedia says about me? I was giving them that power. I was giving them. I want my book reviewed by the New York Times. Why?

Why do you care if your book is a New York Times bestseller, which, by the way, isn't even a linear algorithm. That's I was going to say, but that's the point, and this is the kind of funny thing. But this is the central point. This is the issue at hand. Yes. This is the issue, this is everything. Because your question, when we started out here, something to the effect of, why don't the people in D.C. reform the tech companies. It's this. Because they don't want to be attacked,

slime, defamed, dragged through the mud. So you have to be willing to say, I don't care if you drag me through the mud. Right. I'm not worried about what you think about me. And I have a kind of, I call it my staff and I call it superpowers because I've already been through all that crap. And I'm here. And I'm okay. And you know what? I'm going to keep doing our work. even if they slime and defame and label me all these things. Right. Because it's not true what they say. Right.

Well, this is heavy stuff, and it's wonderful to have you to talking about this, because I think I mentioned that lately I've been speaking a lot of churches, and I'm speaking to people who are ostensibly Christians, they're in a church, and I say to them, do you actually believe what you claim to believe? You believe, you're supposed to believe, Jesus defeated death on the cross. It's not a metaphor, okay? and by faith in him, you will never die. That's actually true.

Now, if you really believe that, you will live totally differently. You will live freely because you actually don't fear anything. How do they react to that? Well, I don't give them an opportunity to respond when I'm speaking. But the point is that I think people realize, I guess that's true. I claim to believe this. Do I really believe it? So you look at somebody like a Bonhofer who obviously actually believed it

and who basically said, I'm going to do what is right. I'm going to worry about what God thinks, and I know that if and when they kill me, I don't actually die. I step into real life. He knew that to be true. He didn't say, oh, I hope it's true. He knew it to be true. And unless you know it to be true, when we think of all the martyrs that we admire, we claim to admire them, well, the way we would really admire them is by living like them and by saying, I'm going to stand for the truth.

And whatever happens to me, you know, nobody can really do anything to me. I'm going to live forever. That's, I would argue, I do argue, that's the only way actually to live. Otherwise, you're living in fear. And you just said that these people at Twitter and the New York Times, they have power. You know and I know that until they step out of line, okay? The demons in hell have power. I agree with that.

But at the moment they step out of line, they will be tortured. And so it's kind of like a power. Power is the wrong word. But another way of saying it is. Well, it's limited power. It's limited power. they only have power if we give it to them. See, real quick, personal anecdote,

when I was confined for three years, there were some nights where I was like, why have you forsaken me? Like, I was just hitting myself. Yeah, yeah. And again, it could have been worse. It's understandable, James. But for me, it was, this is horrible.

This is an injustice. Yeah, oh, it is. That is transcends my situation. And I had to digest that. I had to process that every day. It was kind of a thing. Every evening I was in this little bedroom, and I was processing that. And what I mean to say is that after a while I was given another chance, you know, if you will,

call it, you know, I'm using, this is a metaphor in this context, born again. After I had survived that and survived other things, I've been close calls in courtrooms and federal jury trials, I've lived through all these things at a very relatively young age. And for me, it was like maybe this is, too strong of a statement, but, you know, Soltonyzen describes it as a beneficial calming fluid that pours through you and you just become more patient and more resilient. And you cease to fear death. You cease to fear the things that all these other people fear. That's not to say that I don't fear death at all, but certainly it's been shrunk down to a point where, okay,

there really isn't much that they can throw at me. And you know what? I didn't break the law. And what happened with the FBI matter, some person sent me a document. We tried to corroborate it. We thought we failed to corroborate. We didn't steal anything. Even if they stole it, we'd still have a right to publish it, as long as we didn't participate in the theft of that document. But I have to be willing to go to jail, as falsely accused, an innocent man.

I have to be willing to do that. Otherwise, I'd be a hypocrite and a liar and a fraud. Of course I have to endure that again. And I'm okay with that. And that's where we need to be, unfortunately, in modern times. We need people who have to go through that. And that's just the message I have for people. And it's not always a bad thing.

It's kind of an honor in some respects. Well, it's interesting because what you're talking about, what we're both talking about as men, in the old days, people would say it's called being a man, right? Man up, be a man. And certain things you go through, they would say it made a man out of you. Now, obviously, that works for women in a different way. But the concept is that that's what life is supposed to be like, right?

You go through stuff, but you go through it the right way, and it makes you a better person. And if you don't, if you shrink from that trial or that suffering or make the wrong choice, if you just say, I can't suffer, I don't want to suffer, I'll do whatever, I'll do drugs, I will find a way to get pleasure because suffering, I don't want to suffer. You do it at the price of your soul. You don't become a better person. And I think what we have to do is we have to paint the picture for people that the whole goal of life is, you know, not to borrow from the Buddhists or the Hindus, but not the migration of your soul, but your character, becoming a better person, becoming wiser through suffering.

I mean, the ancient Greeks talked about that. we don't really, we don't sing those songs very much in our culture anymore. There was a time when we talked about virtue, and we talked about, you know, doing the right thing. And we understood that as a culture. And I really do think since the 60s, that's kind of drifted away. So we're at this weird inflection point because we've kind of neglected these conversations for some time. We have. And I write in this chapter called Suffering.

Suffering. It compels self-reflection. transformation, transcendence. It makes us wiser, more lucid versions of ourselves. Also, another way of saying, you're growing into a man, and we've avoided that for pleasure or something. But I think it's so much more satisfying when you are actually free and when you're actually not afraid.

You know it's more satisfying. You don't think it's more. You know it is. When I heard an elementary school that cliche, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. That's such a powerful quote from FDR, but no one really knows what that even means. It just sounds trite and cliche.

Right. But to actually understand what that means, because, again, I just want to go back to that moment when they came in my door. It was about a tenth of a second. Your mind goes everywhere. You think, are they putting child porn on my phone? Are they going to put me in front of grand jury subpoenas? You go to places that are so dark and ominous and foreboding.

You know what dread is. We've all experienced that to a degree. Well, it's a different level when federal agents come barreling for your home. And you know what? They're going to do that more frequently. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Well, but that's why if you don't fight against it, folks, you know, you've become part of the problem. I mean, this is, again, Americans should be utterly outraged that our government with our tax dollars is doing this effectively to terrorize people and to silence them.

There's nothing else to call that, but it's wicked. Well, look at when in Ottawa, there was a clip or two of those Canadian guys saying, I'll give up my life. They actually said this. They're not Americans, but I think the Canadians were pushed a little farther than we've been pushed. So imagine what happens when Americans are pushed too far. Because people are commenting about the Canadian protest. Wow. Canadians are, you know, compliant folks.

And I saw people on the street saying things that I've never seen Canadians say, right? Well, see, this is the beauty of it, is that I really believe American-style self-government and liberty and all these kinds of things. It's intended for everyone on the planet. That's true. God has just used this country to kind of make it clear for us to be a shining example. But people all around the world are looking for this. And when tyranny comes for them, many of them wake up. We'll be right back talking to the author of American Muckraker, James O'Kee.

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We're talking about a lot of stuff here, James. What is your feeling right now in terms of where things are going? because I really do believe a lot of people you refer to these Canadians waking up. People are waking up who have been asleep. They've been happy to be asleep, but things got so bad that some people finally woke up. And they're sort of now part of the team. You just mentioned this guy from CNN joining Veritas. There are people saying, okay, I've got to do something.

I've got to be a voice. I've got to get on the right side. I've got to fight. That's good news. Yes, I am an optimist. I'm a hopeful person. We had a conversation earlier in this conversation about why that is. I believe one man can truly make a difference,

and a hundred men can change. A few men can change the world. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't back down. I think that exists in each and every one of us, and I try to appeal to people's better angels about that rather than hearing all the griping and complaining and telling me nothing's going to change, because with that attitude, nothing will.

But I think people will be pushed to a precipice, and then they'll push back, I don't remember who it was, but the man in downtown to Ottawa, and he sort of said, listen, I've lost everything. My son is unemployed. I have no job. I have no money. And they said, are you winning again?

He said, I'll give up my life. But I've never seen that before. And you said it's universal. Not in Canada. I mean, you don't expect that. But imagine in this country, I'm not calling for anything illegal or, you know, anything like that. I just mean, this information, I think people are willing to speak that truth unspoken.

and I think there's 120, well, there are 120,000 people working for the Department of Justice. Can you name anyone in Washington, D.C., the men with chests, C.S. Lewis described, can you name anyone between 2016 and 2020 who spoke about? No. And the good news is this. That's going to change, Eric. I believe sitting here today, you can remember this day you and I talking about this. It'll happen. Someone will speak up. because if the dude in Canada is willing to say he's going to give up his life, there's going to be a dude in Arlington, Virginia, not his life. He might face incarceration. Ed Snowden and Julian Assange are good examples of people who, I suppose it is possibly illegal to blow the whistle against the NSA.

It's not illegal for a journalist to report what Ed Snowden told him. There's going to be people who are going to have to do that. And that's going to be their cross to bear. But I don't think, I think it's the only way forward is for people to pull. blow the whistle on what's going on. Well, we know those people are out there, and I think that through conversations like this, enough people, somebody gets the memo,

and they say, what do I want to be known for? Do I want to be known as the guy who looked the other way and let bad stuff happen, or do I want to be known for the guy who took a risk and did the right thing? There are those people out there, but they do need to be encouraged, which is why I wanted to have you on the program, and I've had other folks on the program who have been brave at a time when it really matters.

You really can change things, and you are changing things. I mean, we talked the last time you're on the program about how, you know, at age 24, or whatever you were like a kid, and you took down acorn, which is one of the most corrupt. I mean, it's so corrupt. And in America we're supposed to, you know, we make movies about corruption bad, good guys take down corruption. And they made movies attacking me. And they made movies attacking me.

Well, that's kind of where we are. That's where we are. But it was a democratically controlled House and Senate. 83 to 7, democratically controlled Senate. Obama signing that legislation. They were trying to run away from what we exposed. They wanted to throw them under the rug, under the bus. But South Park covered that.

Daily Show, John Stewart praised myself, saying two kids from the cast of High School Musical 3 with a grandmother's chinchilla fur and a little cancorder. But no, the Congress, you know, D.C. didn't do anything about it. Politicians weren't the proximate cause, weren't the catalyst for those reforms. It was just two citizens. And that was the greatest story about the thing we did with ACORN.

As 25-year-old guy with a $100 camcorder, I got it best buy, and a cheap costume. Hannah dressed herself. She did go in there posing as a prostitute. We did the sting operation showing the illegal words, and they were giving us taxidivism. advice on how to classify these underage girls as dependence on tax forms. Andrew Breitbart called it the Abu Grave of the Great Society. Whoa. Reduce themselves like this.

But this wasn't done by lobbyists or Washington, D.C. people. These were two independent people. It's going to take the people to do this. You're not going to rely upon your politicians to do this. Well, people ask me this all the time, and I'll ask you. So what can we do? I mean, what is your opinion on that? Well, I think Dennis Prager, another person you've interviewed, says it better than I.

He says, you can do something. They expose what's going on. And it's going to require making some sacrifice. Right. You can donate to the people who do things. Yes. We're a non-profit organization. We're tax deductible, Project Pyritas.

Or you can do nothing. We're going to do one more segment with you. We're going to lock the doors. We're going to keep them in here. What you just said is so key. Folks, you can do something. When people say it's over, there's nothing I can do, Bonhofer went through the same thing, okay?

When they still had laws in Germany, and it was before you were in the concentration camp, you had ability to fight back. It was then that people who refused to fight back made it inevitable that pretty soon you won't be able to fight back. So why you have a voice, I mean, when you're speaking someplace, you're allowed to speak. People are allowed to come and hear you speak. In other words, we still have freedom.

And if we don't use that freedom, we are definitely to blame. We're going to be right back talking to James O'Keefe. The book is American Muckraker. Hey, folks, if you listen to this program, of course, you've heard me talk at infinitum about my pillow and my friend Mike Lindell. Well, Mike has just announced that you, will receive one of his books, and the book is next level insane. It is called What Are the Odds from Crack Addict to CEO?

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Folks, final segment with James O'Keefe. What is that, Irish? Yeah, you bet. Are you offended when people refer to your nationality? No, not at all, Mike. great my thought my uh would you be offended if i put a a bowl of lucky charms in front of you right now not actually but irony is dead so you know we'd have to talk about that i uh we do albin has

lucky charms there for you but we're not going to go into that right now this is way too serious you talked about what people can do again it's kind of weird talking to you because you're saying you're in a different world than i am but at the same time we agree violently on stuff everybody can do something well people don't like my answer you know they don't want to hear what they can do you want to hear they want to complain. Excuse me, but I'm generalizing, but it's a safe generalization. Most people just want to complain. So they want me to

give them some magical solution. And it's gotten so bad that I'm very direct now, Eric, I'm very blunt with people. I was at an event and someone's like, well, what should I tell the congressman I'm donating money to? And I said, why do you give money to the congressman? Does it make you feel good about yourself? Do you want your picture with the congressman? Is that why you give

money? Do you want to actually accomplish something? Well, it's going to require you make some semblance of a sacrifice. And if you're not willing to do that, then you can donate to the people who are making sacrifices, or you can do nothing at all. Well, look, people say, what can you do? They can buy your book. They can buy 20 copies of your book. By the way, all that doesn't go to me. It goes to our 501C3 organization. All the proceeds from the book, American Mogwaker, do support the salaries of our journalists. Yeah. That is a way you can do

something. You can support people who are doing something. That's financially. I mean, listen, I go farther, and I talk about this wherever I go. I'm older than you, so I'm even blunter. Folks, whatever you have, whatever you have left, you have freedom, you have a voice. Some of you have money, some of you have talent, you have time. Whatever you have is a gift from God to be used for his purposes. If you do not use these things for God's purposes, you're going to have to face God over that. He's given us freedom. We have voice. We have voices, we have money, we have, there's just an infinity of things that we have now. So when people say, like, it's over, there's nothing I can do, that's a lie. That's a lie. Because they will come

for your bank account. They haven't yet. Right. So why do you spend that money for good now? Give it to people who need it, who are trying to pay staff, who are trying to create things to help us get out the situation. So we really have to be clear that if you don't understand, we're in a war, and if you're not using what you have to do good. That's a good point. That chicken little, you know, we have no rights. That's an absurd statement. Obviously, we still have, under Article 3, we still have, the federal judiciary is actually,

people say it's so corrupt. Well, I guess there's instances of corruption, but the federal judge here in New York City, Southern District of New York, Torres, ordered the FBI stop rummaging through my phone. That was an Obama-appointed judge. So there still is some semblance of justice in this country, and while you still have it, you better you better get off your butt and do something. And if you just don't, if you don't want to do anything, then be honest with us and be honest with me and say, okay, I'm not willing to do that.

So I can move on to someone who is. And there's a lot of people, Eric, that we're talking. We have people everywhere. We have insiders, informants, sources. We had, we, I can't tell you who it is. Someone gave us documents inside the Pentagon about DARPA, about Anthony Fauci, gain of function research with this COVID vaccine. I remember this.

I mean, these are serious. people. And I will protect that source. I have a First Amendment right to do so. And if a judge one day orders me to reveal the source, I will be held in contempt of court. And I will go to jail to protect my source if that's what it takes. But there's a lot of really good people who are doing something. And you know who you are out there. You can come to Project Veritas. Our tip line is veritas tips at protonmail.com. Veritas tips at protonmail.com. So when you say tips, like a tip on somebody sees something and they don't know how to get the word out, they don't know who to tell, and you're saying they can go to Project Veritas.

Veritas tips at Protonmel.com. If you have incontrovertible evidence, that is to say, firsthand observation about corruption, fraud, dishonesty, like the person who came to us with these documents inside the Pentagon showing that Anthony Fauci had lied about gain of function research on COVID, you come to us because really there's nowhere else to go i mean is there any other you can't go to the washington post with this information they'll they'll sell you out obviously so we we depend upon people on the inside now to come we used to go in with you know infiltrate to some extent we still do that but less so now we have whistleblowers inside okay there are people listening right now who are going to do this yeah they're thinking of something so give us this email again

first of all it's project veritas but what is the uh the the email is V-E-R-I-T-A-S, VeritasT-A-S-E-R-I-T-A-S-T-A-S-T-M-M-A-O-K-K. Okay. It's encrypted. So you can send us an email. VeritasTips at ProtonMail.com. So the point is there are people listening right now who they know something. They have a piece of information.

Folks, the rest of us are depending on you. Right. We're depending. I don't have the information. We're depending on you to do the right thing. And, again, I want to say, James, you know, thank you to you, Because it is inspiring. When you see people do the right thing, it is just inevitable.

You start realizing, you know, maybe I could do the right thing. Maybe it's time for me to do that. Yes, and the time is now. I encourage people pick up this book American Mockraker. Again, this is, I can almost die happy after having read this book because I've written. I've written this book because I put all of my notes, my wisdom, my ideas about journalism. I think this book, and I'd love to speak in journalism schools about this. I get asked to speak at all these political things.

And I think the people who really need this book are the students in college and journalism schools. So I encourage you read the book and understand. Read the stories of the people that have done this. Paul Glader of the King's College Journalism Institute should invite you to speak at the King's College. I'll take note of that. This is very, very important stuff, folks. We've got, what, 40 seconds left. Okay, final thoughts, young man.

Fear. We have to eliminate the fear. And this is the United States of America. We're not like any other society, right? There's an Americanism. There's not necessarily a Frenchism, right? Didn't Tokeville say something about that? That this is a uniquely qualified group.

We're a nation of ideas. Ideas. It's not an ethnic group. And equality before the law, that's not to say that you and I are equal, literally, physically, but we're equal before the law. and that's a powerful thing. And these are powerful things that we have to preserve.

And the only way to preserve it is by exposing what's going on so that we can create that moral consensus, that righteous indignation that creates that moral consensus. That's what Project Veritas does. That's what I'm here to do. Veritas tips at prototan, mail.com,

Be Brave, do something. I think we'll leave it there. James O'Keefe. God bless you. Thank you. In a way, in a noise of our in have a alarm and tried to call you. But on the midnight. Hey there, folks.

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So here we go. We got two letters. Lewis Robertson writes, Mr. Metaxis, I don't know if you know it, but there are convoys of truckers, cars, cars, motorhomes, and vans heading to Washington, D.C., from all of the United States. Our convoy started out in Adelanto, California, February 23rd. The news media is not reporting on it, but the people know. That's you, folks.

He wrote this on the 25th, and the convoy was already 18 miles long going through New Mexico. People were waving flags on every overpass on U.S. route 40, quite a sight to see. There are other convoys from all parts of the U.S. Check them out on YouTube. People's Convoy. Thank you, North Edwards, California. And he says they're supposed to arrive today in Washington, D.C. It is interesting the media is not covering this. Why would that be? Because they're communists?

I would never say such a thing. on this program. Actually, maybe. We have another letter. Vicki Shobb has written from Nashville. Now, this one, I've got to tell you, people write things. They don't know how they bless me. Vicki says she probably first heard about me from her daughter and son-in-law who attend World Outreach Church in Murphysboro, Tennessee. I've spoken there many times. My son-in-law has read Bonhoeffer, so did I. By now I've heard you speak several times at World Outreach, listen to your podcast, read a number of your books. Next, on my list is your biography. of Martin Luther.

But then, Vicky goes on to say, I wanted to share with you what a delight it was to read fish out of water. Now, that's my memoir, the story of my growing up, it's all true, and it culminates in my coming to faith. But this is a part of Vicki's note that I said, she doesn't know how this blessed me. She says, laughing out loud is such a joy, so cleansing, and your stories made me laugh out loud every several minutes. I mean, that's like my goal, but I assume I never achieved my goal. But in the book, she says that my stories in fish out of water made her laugh out loud every

several minutes. Folks, I don't know about you, but I could use a laugh every several minutes. She writes, I loved hearing about your family and your life's spiritual journey. I'm looking forward to number two in the autobiography of Eric's series. So get to it, Blessings, Vicki Shop, National Tennessee. So when people, I mean, I read every letter of encouragement that comes in, and some of them are just really delightful like this one. We rarely get to read them on the air. But I want to say thank you.

The idea that Vicky laughed out loud every several minutes while reading fish out of water makes me feel better about the book. Because sometimes I'm writing this story about my life, and I'm thinking I hope people find this funny because I found these stories funny. Otherwise, I wouldn't put them in there. Yeah, and you've got a part two coming, because that only goes up to about the age of 25

and you're over 50 now, so you've got a part two and maybe a part three. But I've been... First, I have to write them. Oh, you do? Yes, and I don't want to do that because I'm kind of busy. For example, right now I'm doing the radio,

so I really can't write them. But I will, but right now you have to read the first one first, and you might laugh out loud every several minutes if you're anything like Vicky. But who's as wonderful as Vicky? Thank you, Vicki. I just want to say thank you. Folks, don't forget food for the poor.

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