The Eric Metaxas Show - James Tour (continued)

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

James Tour, world-famous nanoscientist, continues his discussion of the origins of life at a recent Socrates in the City event in Houston, Texas.

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And now here's your point C. your Ralph Cramden of the Airways, Eric Mott, Texas. Today's program is a special airing of my Socrates in the city conversation with the amazing Dr. James Tour of Rice University. He's unbelievable and what he has to say is unbelievably important. So here it is. Or many people argue about evolution and all that kind of stuff. But nobody ever talks about how you get life,

from non-life. It's one thing to talk about, we have some life, and how can it modify, how can it change? How does that happen? How do you go from a single cell to a lizard?

But to talk about there's no life and then suddenly there's life. So scientists today would say life appeared four billion years ago. We know that. Yes, it appeared

immediately after the cooling of the earth. When I say immediately, sub-100 million, maybe 50 million years, which on a geological time scale is very, very rapidly. There's evidence for life immediately upon the cooling of the earth after the heavy bombardment when the earth was pelted with many meteorites that actually filled our surface of our planet with many different elements.

So scientists, when you ask them how life began, they will tell you, yes, we know it began four billion years ago. Exactly, single cell of life appeared. So you can agree with that, but then you say, right, it appeared, how did that happen? And you say that, I mean, at the end of the day, they always point us back to this 1952 experiment. And I remember you telling me that it's been 70 years since that experiment, and they were so hopeful. They thought we produced amino acids. We're on our way.

Do they know what amino acids are? I mean, you're throwing out chemical names. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me just say stuff. The building blocks of protein. But I remember you explaining this to me, and I remember thinking, you know what? I never think about this.

So you said that in those 70 years, the assumption, was that they created amino acids and that they would then be able to do the next step and the next step and the next step and they would begin to eventually figure out how you get single-celled life. And so it's been 70 years.

How are they doing on that? Not very well. Nobody has ever made a cell. Nobody has ever... So you get amino acids. It was an amazing experiment. So set up. up an experiment with a flask with very simple compounds, ammonia, carbon dioxide, nitrogen,

and oxygen, and you start putting in voltage pulses to simulate lightning strikes. And you get amino acids form. These amino acids were not handed. They did not have optical activity, meaning that our hands are non-superimposable mirror images. If I put my right hand up to a mirror, I would see an image of my left hand. That's why my right hand does not fit into a left-handed glove properly. They are non-superimposable mirror images. You cannot insert one into the other. The vast majority of molecules are like that in biological systems.

They had the two-handed, they had both molecules mixed together. How you got one, which is what you need for life, nobody knew. But at that time, they didn't know that you really, had to have only the one hand and not the other. So even Miller and Yuri thought it was going to come very quickly and then they've confessed it really didn't come very quickly. I mean, this is... It never came. Never came. Never came. Not only, not only, I mean, we're so far from that that it's become harder to get than it was in 1952. It's become harder. See, that's the key. is that you said, I remember you saying to me,

and see, I find this all funny, actually. This is like so delightful to me that they're all excited because the idea is that science, if they remove the God hypothesis, they would say single-celled life emerged by itself through random processes. And in 1952, they were able to create some amino acids, and they just thought, we've got it, we're on our way. But what you're saying is that the more time passed, they were not able to move the ball forward.

In fact, you said it's like they move the ball backwards. The more you learn, the more you realize we're not doing this. So the goalpost got further away, because what happens is the cell doesn't change, but we understand more about the complexity of the cell. and all of a sudden we're like, oh, I'm going to have to build that too. Oh, I will have to build that too. So the complexity as we learn it, you're like, this is crazy. So the ball hasn't moved backward, but the goalpost has moved further away.

And so we were much further from the target than we were from the goalpost than we were in 1952 because of the things that we have learned, which are amazing, just amazing. And so how does a cell do this if we can't make a single cell? The cell does this because it takes all of this information. When a cell divides, it splits it between its two sides, and then it pinches down in the middle. And so it keeps spreading this. We have no idea how to do that.

No idea. But it's been 70 years. 70 years. They've been working on this. Hard. And you're telling me that, I mean, there's two pieces of information here. A, you're telling me they've been working on this, puzzle of how you get life from non-life.

They've been working on it hard day and night for 70 years. Okay. It actually even predated that. That was the big experiment that they thought they were right on the verge. That was like the kickoff. Yes. That they thought, we're on our way now. Yeah.

But what you're saying is that the more we learn about the details of what's required to create the simplest life imaginable, which is a single cell, the more we've discovered how complex the cell is. So that's what you're saying. The goalpost is moving away. The ball is still here, but the goalpost is like flying across the universe. Yes. Yes, it's moving much faster than the ball is moving forward.

The ball makes nanometer increments as it goes forward. Well, okay, but so then this brings up the biggest question. I mean, you describe this in detail. You've got lots of videos. By the way, you have a YouTube channel. DR James Tour. DR James Tour. Okay, because there are going to be people watching this

who really want to get into this, and you do get into this. But what's so fascinating to me, what really kills me, is that you know this world of nanoscience, and you know that they've been working on this 70 years, and you know that not only haven't they moved the ball forward, but the goalposts are like speeding away,

and you're calling them on it. In other words, you are saying, excuse me, I know what you know, and I know what you don't know, and I know you're blowing smoke, because you have gone after some of these folks, because they're making claims, that we've pretty much got this figured out. And you're saying no.

I'm saying no. And it's bothering the community. What community? What community? The Origin of Life community. There's a community? Yes. There's researchers that work in this area of origin of life

and they have meetings together and they discuss the progress. And it doesn't go anywhere. Can you imagine doing that for 40-year career and you're further away from the goal than when you started 40 years ago. And so they keep saying that we're going to have life in Lee Kronin said it in 2011.

He'll hopefully make life in his lab within two years. He said this in 2011? 2011. He was not successful. Just doing the math, I'm thinking maybe that didn't happen. Jack Sostek at Harvard, a Nobel Prize winner, said in 2014 he'd have life in his lab made within three to five years. He missed that date. But you see, but again, you're so understated.

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And then you find out that I don't even have any idea how to make a wheel or a motor. In other words, to make a claim about a car when you don't know how to make a motor or you don't even have the beginnings of knowing how to make a single piston, how would you dare to talk about a car? Right. It's even more than that, Eric. It's in the 1500s saying, I will be on the moon in two years. We've not gotten flight. We've not gotten space travel. We have no idea that there's no information.

infrastructure for that. And if you had said that in 1500, you would get locked up. And that's what it's like. We can't make the four basic classes of chemicals. I'm not going to say their name. Four basic classes. Oh, give for laughs. Tell us what are the four basic classes of chemicals. One is the young lady that you dated lipids. Lipids? All right. I said, I think I dated a lipid. I can't say for sure. Another is carbohydrates, which are your potatoes. but they're a very important class of compounds. Those are the hardest ones to make. Another one is the amino acids and the proteins that are formed from amino acids.

And the other are the nucleic acids, which are the DNA and the RNA, which are actually a sugar, a carbohydrate, with a base on it, and a phosphate group. And so those are the four classes of molecules that we need. We can't even make those in a prebiotically relevant manner. and any papers that publish and say we've made it in a prebiatically relevant manner are absolute junk and nonsense. And that's what I am exposing. And, of course, it bothers the community.

We don't want to bother the community. But again, I find this funny because as I've watched your videos, it's so obvious that they're not even, you know, to say somebody's not close, it's all degrees and it's all subjective. I mean, they're not in the same galaxy. Like we're talking about something, when you talk about what the simplest life is, it's a level of complexity that is like almost incomprehensible,

and they're still claiming that it came together by itself through random sloshing in the prebiotic soup. And you're calling on that. Yeah, yeah. So people have computed because they'll keep saying cells were much simpler back then than they are now. Before the war. Before the war. Yeah, everything was much simpler back then.

Yeah, okay. But, I mean, how simple. I didn't know that one. How simple, you know, when somebody says, you know, because I want to be clear that, I, until I started looking into your stuff, you know, when you think of what is a cell? It's a membrane. and there's a nucleus. It's like a jelly donut. I mean, how complex could it be?

What is it? But the more you look into it, the more you realize, oh, my good. It's a factory. It is an entire, it's like a universe of complexity. Yes, yes. It's like flying over New York City

at 30,000 feet and thinking, oh, that's interesting. Or going down on the street and seeing the infrastructure and then under the streets and seeing the infrastructure, and everywhere you look, there's this complexity that you never saw it 30,000 feet. So in the early part of the 20th century,

we couldn't see much of that complexity. It was just a bunch of protoplasm. Okay. Very easy. Which is like a made-up word, like jelly donut. In the beginning of the 20th century. In the beginning of the 20th century. And so that kind of gave people hope, like, well, we'll figure this out.

And then they begin discovering what is in the nucleus and what is a membrane. I mean, a membrane, even that word, you think, okay, membrane. Well, talk about the complexity of what is a membrane. So it's a bi-layer membrane. What you have is you have two layers. And what's happened is the two layers are different. The outer membrane, which is the world in which it sees,

is different than the inner membrane where the nucleus and the endoplasic reticulum and all this DNA is working is different. And so every quote-unquote proto cell that people have, have made. They say, well, this is, this is the beginnings of a cell. They've never had, they've never had the inside different than the outside. So all their protocells are a bunch of nonsense. They could never work. There's a reason for that because you have to have what's called a proton gradient. I'm not going to explain it, okay? I'm not going to ask you to explain that. Yeah. So it's because the hydrogens, the hydrogen atoms that have lost an electron are called

the proton. And they can move in and out, but they stay on one side more than the other because the two sides are different. If the two sides are the same, you don't get that gradient. All their proto cells are a bunch of garbage. There are experts in Origin of Life that say it's just like making salad dressing, which is crazy, which is absolutely crazy, because you have these little bubbles in salad dressing. First of all, those are not vesicles where you have an in or an hour later in the middle, but there are ways to make vesicles, but it could never work. What you've made and you've called even your membrane, without even worrying about the stuff in it, it could never work. That's just the membrane layer. Then you have all the stuff in it.

People will say all you need is a piece of RNA. That's a bunch of nonsense. It's been calculated all the different things you need to have a cell to work. Not only have they not made all of those things. They haven't even made one of them. It's a list of about 25 things. They haven't even made one of them. Not even one. Okay, but they're still asking us to believe that a lifeless universe through random sloshing made every single one of these things and then assembled every single one of these things in this exquisite order that eventually ends up being what we call life. And we, let's be honest, like we can't even define what life is, correct? That's correct.

So if you have a cell, a cell that just dies, we're just talking about a little cell, a yeast cell, a very simple cell, not even human cell, it's a very simple cell, just dies. Ask a scientist, what is it that we just lost? What is it that we just lost? I did this experiment once. I don't know if my daughter will remember. I had a bunch of scientists over for dinner,

and I said, watch this. I said, I have a cell. It just died. What is it that we just lost? When I said, it's the ionic potentials. You know, they said, don't know, it's lost much more than ionic potential. They could not even agree on what it was that we just lost, let alone how you define life. You can talk about the characteristics of life, characteristics of life. You can specify, but what is the life?

What is it that you just lost? Scientists can't even define that, let alone make it. And that's why I say that even if I gave you a cell, if I gave you a cell that just died, go ahead, bring it back to life. In other words, you're saying if a cell dies, every single one of the parts is there. Is there. In other words, I'll give you that.

Yeah. Now make them work. Yes, because. Because a resurrection should be easier than a bottom-up synthesis. You know, everything's there. All the parts are kind of in place. Now bring it back to life. Can anybody do that?

There's not a scientist in their right mind who will say that they can do that. Even origin of life people say would never say that they can do that. They won't say they can't do it because they won't admit it. But they'll just look at you. That's what they do. They just look at you. They say, can you do it? You just look at me.

By not answering you, they're obviously saying something. Yes. Yes. I mean, I saw Steve Benner at a meeting in Israel. You saw Steve Benner? Yes. Who's Steve Benner? Steve Benner is a big origin of life researcher.

And he was asked, okay, say you had all these pieces. Could you assemble a cell? Well, you know, a career is four-score years. I'm three and a half score into this. One of these other people will do it. Like, what kind of answer is that? What kind of answer is that? That's called kicking the can down the road.

Yeah, so the next day I challenged him on this. Oh, you just stared at me. They can't do it. They can't do it. Can you imitate him? And I'm the crazy one that's bucking against scientific consensus. I'm the one who's nefarious. They tell me I'm nefarious.

Yes, which means evil and wicked. Really? Yes. Can you define Wicked and Evil? No, because I looked it up because I wanted to see what are they actually calling me? Well, but I mean again, I find

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It is about the facts. It is about logic. It is about rationality. But when we're talking about this kind of thing, it seems to be about money and power. It doesn't seem to be about those things. Yeah. you can go further with this than I feel comfortable going further with this because I don't feel comfortable putting upon them what they might be doing.

But you are right in the sense that the public is so utterly confused on this issue. And this is a big issue. This is a big philosophical issue. Where did life come from? And when you say, you know, you've got it. You'll have it in the lab for three to five years. and the two people I mentioned are not the only people that have thrown out

numbers like this that have all blown by. And that's why I keep saying all of those origin of life researchers will die of old age before they solve this. And all of their students will die of old age before this thing gets solved because I know we're so far away. And it is upsetting to the public.

It's upsetting to students. I gave a talk recently at Rice University on this subject, and that's on the YouTube channel there. And one student asked, so what about science where you make a hypothesis, you investigate this, and you find out that your hypothesis is not right, and you modify your hypothesis, this way that we sort of portrayed as students the way science is done? Well, it turns out that science isn't always done that way. Science is controlled by powerful people, by powerful interest groups by people who hold the purse strings. And powerful people can keep saying,

let's do this, let's do this. And it pushes these things along, even though it goes against what the hypothesis is seeming to tell us. Well, you see this over and over, right? I mean, my discussion with you by the origin of life and Miller-Uri and all that kind of kicked off my wanting to think about this and writing this book, but the same thing you see with the Big Bang hypothesis. I mean, there were people just kicking and screaming against the evidence.

It was bothersome to them, the idea that the universe emerged literally out of nothing 13.8 billion years ago. It was somehow repulsive. I mean, it was repulsive to Einstein. And it's normal, it seems to me, for people to like some ideas and dislike some ideas. But when you're talking about scientists, you really expect the scientific community to just deal with the facts.

I wish it were that way. Well, right. But it's kind of, it's dramatic to me. Yeah, and yes, it is dramatic. This is just one point where the fact. in my view are not being followed, and I'm exposing it. And now, it does not take a genius to expose this. If you are an organic chemist, this is obvious. So any time before I will release a video series on this topic, I have it vetted by colleagues of mine. And I'll watch the series. Did I get

any of the science wrong? And once in a while, I said, well, you sell nucleotide when you should have been nucleoside, so I'll put a little banner thing, nucleoside. But none of the content was wrong. All of them said the content was correct. And in fact, what they said is, I mean, I can tell you what one of them said to me, he says he thinks that these people working in the area of origin of life should be fired. They should lose their positions because then it became obvious to him. He said, well, why didn't he know this already?

Because nobody reads Origin of Life papers except people working. working in Origin of Life, and then they go out and they tell the press. And you say, well, why don't you read papers on it? Because nobody cares. You think it's already done. It's already solved. The other thing is you have a busy life. I read a lot of papers about nanotechnology.

I'm not going to read about Origin of Life. I'm only reading about it now because I have to go after it. So you don't really scrutinize it, and you don't know this. Even by just reading their paper, you have to go into the experimental details. So you have to online, you have to click on the experimental details, and you go and you see how they ran the experiment. and you look at the actual data and you say, my goodness, this is garbage. This is garbage.

Look at this spectrum. This is nonsense. What got you started? Because as we said in the beginning, you're doing really amazing work. So what got you, you know, in a way, sidetracked onto this? What was it that got you involved in exposing this? So in around 2000, 2001, I got sent a statement, and I don't even remember who sent it to me. It was from the Discovery Institute.

I didn't even know who they were at the time. But it was a statement that said something to the effect that we are skeptical that random mutation and natural selection can account for the diversity of life. Therefore, further research is warranted. That's it. research and they said, could you agree with that? Yes, boom, return. That's it. I forgot about it. I find my name on a list of 700 scientists that have signed on to this. That list was then used in the Dover trials when people were trying to bring creation and creationism into public

schools. That's when that list became popular and it was called the dissent from Darwinism list. And I'm on that list. I'm not ashamed. D-I-S-S-E-N-T. Yes, not- Descent, not its descent. Right. Not genealogical. I just can't remember who descended to. I've seen fire and I've seen rain.

I've seen sunny days that I thought would be. Nothing could be more appropriate to ask at Socrates and City is, you know, what is life? That's what we're talking about. What is life? Where did it come from? And then what can we know about it? Even if we don't have an answer, what can we know? And it sounds like, you know, as...

Look, all of these scientists have been learning things over these 70 years. They've not been doing nothing. I think what we've learned is that we have absolutely no idea, and everything we've tried is an utter failure. That's what we've learned. Right. Yeah. But that's not nothing, right?

Yeah, that's not nothing. This thing is a whole lot more complex than what we thought. Right. that's an understatement. I mean, that's a dramatic understatement. But the point is that if you're honest, you would say, that's not nothing. You know, that's something. But if you've already pre-established a goal that's getting funded and it's not in line with learning that we know nothing, then you have a problem, as some of these folks in the community seem to have. Well, okay, so you're on YouTube now.

You're putting this stuff out there. How long have you been putting these things out there? And where do you think this might go? Well, over COVID, because I wasn't traveling as much, I did a series, a 13-part series on Origin of Life. So COVID was bad for the community. For the origin of life community, it was really bad. Very bad.

I had a lot more time on my hands. Oh, that's very bad. And so, and it was, like 13 or 14 different parts, but now I have the click once. You can just click and listen for nine hours straight. So if you're ever suffering from insomnia, just click. You'll be okay. But I explain the problems with origin of life from the beginning.

Now I'm coming out. And this came because somebody attacked me. Again, I was minding my own business. And he came out with a video and he says, Jim Tour is clueless on this. And here's how life formed. And it was so ridiculous that I had to come out. It took me nine hours of video to show how wrong this person was,

because a lie is very easy to tell the truth and to explain it is really detailed. And he came out with a two-part video saying, I had it all wrong again. So now I'm coming out with two series on this. The first series is just about to come out, and it's on the experts. So he brought on some so-called experts. Two, he brought on three experts. Two of them knew that they were being brought on. One of them didn't even know it.

He just took one of the guy's videos and stuck it in as if he was, and I know this because that so-called expert is a friend of mine and told me, he said, what do you mean? I'm on a video. He had no idea. So, anyway, all of that will be exposed. But now I can go after the quote-unquote scientific experts and their data. They came after me.

They said things about me in a social medium. I'm going to use a social medium to just put it right back at them. They wish you're too far. Pardon? I think they made a real mistake when they decided to... Yeah, they made a real mistake. And what I said,

whoever goes on this guy's YouTube channel and talks about Origin of Life, I'm going to go right after your work. I'm going right after your work. And every paper that he cites, I will go right after that paper. These Origin of Life people are going to hope that this guy never uses their papers

in his evidence for origin of life because I'm going right up. And so this is what I'm doing. And it really is the best medium. It is the best. It gets out, you get thousands and thousands of views so quickly. And it's an amazing medium

and you hit large numbers of people all over the world. And so it has a real impact. You know, I read all these articles. Nobody ever reads them. and 700 articles nobody's ever read. Well, right, right. In all seriousness, I mean, what started this off for me and made me write my book

was the same impulse that people need to know. The world needs to know what you've been sharing tonight and what you've shared with me, because it doesn't get more fundamental than this. When you think about questions, you know, we're not, you know, talking about how did the moon form or how to, you know, that's fascinating, but it could not be more central than how did life come into being. And then to discover that the people telling us how are blowing smoke, know that they're blowing smoke, and that it can

rather easily be shown, that's headline news. That's a big deal. That's a big deal. And people will say, well, maybe aliens brought it to planet Earth, and I'm fine with that. That could be. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about origin of first life. Where did those aliens come from? How did their life be made?

Let's see their papers. I'm sorry, going after them. So it's origin of first life. You know, we can't just because that's what many people do. We're not dumb enough to buy the aliens thing. You don't need to explain that to us. You know, when people say...

I thought this is what this meeting was about. You're all going to be... Yeah. No, but I mean, it's... Well, it's funny because in my book, I refer to... Who was it? Watson... It was either Watson...

This is a panspermia model. Yeah. No, but even that, the term panspermia. Like, you give it this fancy scientific name. It's like it's the stupidest thing ever. It's like, how did life come to Earth? From someplace else. And they go, really?

Yes, I call it panspermia. And you think, well, that really, that's like saying, who baked that cake? Where did that cake come from? Who made that cake? And you say, well, no one here made it. I believe somebody carried it down the hall from over there someplace. And you go, okay, can we go there and find out how they made the cake? Because we don't really care how it got here.

We care how it got made. And so the idea that Nobel Prize winners would float these ideas like panspermia, it seems like you're making it like a joke, actually. It seems amazing to me. And so my impulse, as I say, in writing about it, and I'm so glad you're making these videos, is that the world needs to know this. This is not a little thing. This is a big deal thing.

and I just want to say on behalf of Socrates in the city and the innumerable people who will watch this and your videos at Dr. James Tour on YouTube. DR James Tour. I want to say thank you, Dr. James Tour. For being that. Our love is a life. Hey there, folks.

Hope you're enjoying today's crazy special show. I've been in North Carolina. Albin, that's often where I am. If you ever want to know, I'm in North Carolina. I spoke, last night I spoke on my book, Is Atheism Dead? Normally I'm speaking on a letter to the American Church. Wherever I go, I'm speaking a letter to the American Church. Last night I spoke on, is atheism dead?

And I got two things to say. Several people came up to me in the book signing line and said, thank you for putting this in your newsletter. Because I get your newsletter, I'm here tonight. I drove like from an hour or two away. Amazing. So if you're not signed up for my newsletter at Ericmataksis.com, I'm traveling all around the country.

We try to keep you updated Socrates in the city events, wherever I'm going to be, please sign up for my newsletter. And speaking of his atheism dead, because I don't get to talk about that as often. So last night, I'm talking about the archaeology chapters in there. And I keep saying to the crowds that I'm talking about, I can't wait to go. back to Israel. Writing this book just made me flip out over wanting to get back to actually see what I'm writing about in the book as atheism dead. So I've mentioned a few times I'm going to Israel next year at least once, at least once. I may have to go back twice because we want to film

a TV streaming TV series based on is atheism dead, in which case I'm going to have to go to the sites and film it and whatever. But anyway, if you're interested in going to Israel and why wouldn't you be? Of all the places you could visit where Jesus walked, that would be the one. You can go to a website. It's holyland.israel.com, travel. We recommend that you go to holleland. That israel.com. It will reinvigorate your faith. I think most of us need that in more ways than one. but that's something you can do that would be fun and beautiful. Another thing you can do that would be fun and beautiful is you could help us out in our campaign with food for the poor. There are starving kids who depend genuinely on your generosity.

We do a campaign once a year. And this is sort of a big deal because most of us, even going through hard times, are relatively blessed. there are kids and families in Central America. That's where Food for the Poor is focused on right now. In Central America, they're starving. We do this campaign because we believe it is our job to do what we can for folks who are suffering like this. And it's just an unmitigated good. It's a beautiful thing.

The only question is how, where, that's why we teed it up for you. Food for the Poor, there's reputable. as a guest, an amazing Christian organization. There's a number of ways you can give. And I hope everyone listening will feel compelled to do something, a little thing, whatever you can do. A few dollars helps. If you can give $72, that feeds two children for an entire year.

This is how food for the poor leverages our fund. That's why I'm pushing everyone to give something because they leverage it so far that it's amazing. I want to hear Food for the Poor's CEO, Ed Rainey. We have a clip. Let's play that. We work in 20 countries in the Caribbean and Latin America. And people who have no other resources except the incredible generosity of typically Americans who, you know, time and time again, you know, really just give from the bottom of their heart and through their love for their neighbor.

And so this is a faith-based organization. and through our church networks and all these countries, we're able to get the aid to where it needs to be. Okay, so you can text the word Eric to 911-9-9-9. Text the word Eric to 911-9-9. The easiest thing is go to Metaxistalk.com and click on the banner. We genuinely need your help. We need your help.

Please go to Metaxistalk.org. Click on the banner. We're behind. If you want to call, you can call 844-8663, Hope, 844-863, hope. We need your help. 844-863 hope. God bless you as you give.

Thank you.