The Eric Metaxas Show - Jason Jones and James Lindsay

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

On day 2 AmFest Jason Jones and James Lindsay sit down to discuss current events in America 

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himself Eric I'm Texas Folks this is day two at Amfest Chris Heim's Happy Tuesday The chaos continues

It's madness It's like a human blender Inside a runaway train Inside two squirrels With their tails tied together You know what

That hurt That hurt a part of my head Just now Don't say that again Yeah seriously Amfest It's like Everywhere you turn

There are wonderful people I just did a hit on Steve Bannon's show live, which that was, that's yesterday because now this is Tuesday, but, and we're taping. But, I mean, my goodness, there are so many people here. I spoke last night on the main stage, and it's just incredible. There's thousands and thousands of people.

And I don't know if what I said is going to be available. We'll probably put it up on video. But it was, Charlie Kirk spoke before me. We had the trailer to letter to the American Church. So you've got to check it out, Letter to the American Church.com. I spoke, and, you know, it's exhilarating and exhausting. And everywhere you turn, we're meeting friends. Now, in the next segment, after we're done here, we're talking to our friend Jason Jones.

John Smirak is always the one telling me about, you got to check. Jason Jones is doing this. Jason Jones is going to be on this program in a couple of minutes to talk about bringing coal to people for Christmas, except it's a good thing. Yeah. We probably should remind the audience now, since it's going to get crazy. We need you to help us with our campaign CSI. We're pretty far behind. So it's metaxis talk.com.

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sort of a token buzzword in the recent years and I don't know if any of you guys have teenagers out there who come home with like you know ideas like you know sort of it's kind of like this woke stuff like you know very very touchy feeling it's fake it's fake justice this is something this is something i plan to do it's just something i plan to do so i mean literally support this project so i can tell my anybody whoever confronts me in the future like what did you ever do yeah what did you do i will put out my free to slave i'm going to pull out my cSI card it's like step it's like step it's like step back

I have freed a slave. But I mean, it's unbelievable. It's literally an opportunity that we have. We can literally free a slave. But this is kind of the larger conversation, right? In other words, there's real evil in the world. And in America, you have people kind of concocting this fake evil. Like, oh, there's oppression.

I'm oppressed. Like, imagine college students talking about being oppressed. They're going to college. They have three meals a day. They have a place to sleep that's warm. And there are people in the world right now who are literally enslaved. They're being raised. raped by slave masters.

Oh, no, no, no, not 200 years ago, right now while we're having this conversation. You get to do something about it. And if you don't do something about it, I don't know what it is that you're doing, but I can't imagine anything more wonderful. Go to metaxistococcom. Folks, please participate on whatever level you can participate. It doesn't matter. But please participate.

This is the meaning of Christmas. Go to metaxis talk.com. You will see the banner there. when you see the banner, you click on it. Who was on the program the other day said that they committed with their family. Kevin McCullough. So they committed with their family. He committed with his kids to free a slave every month.

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again this is tax deductible you will free how many 60 slaves 60 that's 60 that's insane that's insane think about this this is no joke this is CSI this is what they do okay so if you would do this I mean I could cry when I think about what this

represents but anybody who could give $15,000 the reason I say that is that I can offer my time so anybody who gives that I would be delighted to spend the evening with you, with your family, with a group that you want to put together. We'll, you know, we could do it in New York. We could do it in a restaurant in your city. If I come to your city or I'm near, you know, we'll work it out.

But I just say this because there are people that, you know, they want to do something fun like that. It would maybe bless somebody who would like to meet me or spend the evening with me. And I just put that out there in case anybody wants to do that. And my wife, Suzanne, could join. Chris, you could join. Yeah, absolutely. Whatever people want, I just put my, I put it out there in case anybody is interested. Now, before we get to our guests, we're here at Amfest, and I want to say I'm doing a lot of media hits on other programs.

Yes. And what am I talking about on the other programs? I'm talking about the launch. I can't believe this is happening. It's very exciting. It's very exciting. We've got two things to talk about. Two very exciting things. One of them is the launch of Socrates Plus.

Folks, this is nuts. We're launching a streaming platform. We have all kinds of programs that are going to be on Socrates Plus. I'm behind all of them at this point, although we will be producing other programs with other people. But Socrates Plus is a streaming platform. You can find out more at Socratesin the cityplus.com. Actually sign up and we'll send you all the information. I'm not putting it out on my other places.

But Socratesin the city plus.com, it goes live January 4th. And it's going to be every Socrates that we've ever done in the past, We filmed Socrates in the studio events. We've got a show coming out called The Gentleman's Guide, which is insane. I mean, actually, I can't do it justice. Until you see it, you're not going to know. But we have a whole raft of things that are going to be available at Socrates Plus. And you can't sign up yet, but we want your email so that when we have the information, we'll send you the link.

Go to Socrates in the cityplus.com. Socrates in the city plus.com. It's a big deal. And then in February, it's coming up. Yes. We're launching the film version of Letter to the American Church. We have the filmmakers. They're right here.

Yeah, we'll probably have them on for another segment here a little bit later in the hour. You can see the video at Letter to the American Church.com. We played the, we debuted the trailer last. We have a trailer. Well, we didn't debut it, but they played it last night, Charles. They played it last night before you spoke. At Amfest, yeah. So people are kind of getting pumped for this film.

And I'll tell you, this is, look, what are we trying to do? Nothing big. We're just trying to save America. I happen to know that if the church doesn't wake up, then basically America will be lost, just as Germany was lost under the Nazis. It's that real. And it's up to the church. So anybody who claims to be a Christian, I want to be real clear that there is,

a duty that God has given Christians to be the voice for the voiceless, to be the conscience of the state. Letter to the American Church, I make the case in my book. We put it in the film. Letter to the Americanchurch.com is the video, I mean, where you can see the trailer. But this is, it's a holy calling and a privilege that those of us who get to be Christians, who get to say, I'm a Christian, God calls us to be a voice for the voiceless, as I just said. And how do we do that? If you're going to a church that is not encouraging you to do that, you need to get out of that church.

That's my main message. People say, what can I do? Well, the first thing you can do is if you're going to a church, you're giving a dime to a church that is not on board with this. You need to get out of that church because the hour is that late. So we're going to have a lot of guests today, but I just want to tell people that, you know, the film is made. We've seen the film. It's beautiful. Letter to the American Church.com.

It will debut on February 8th. It will debut on Epic TV. We'll get you the information, but you can see the trailer, tell your friends, we need to really launch this big because everything is at stake. I hope I'm not speaking hyperboically. I only wish I were. Anyway, when we come back, I'm talking to our friend Jason Jones. Folks, right now in other parts of the world, people's lives are being threatened simply

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Boys in the Boatmovie.com. Folks, welcome back. So I'm at Amfest and the chaos is unbelievable in a good way. I'm sitting here with my friend. Jason Jones. Jason Jones, one of the beautiful things about coming of things like this is you bump into dear friends and you get encouraged. You encourage me. You got so much going on.

Where do we begin? Let's talk about coal for Christmas. Cole for Christmas. Yeah. Okay, Zmirak, John Zmirak, was telling me about this. And it was a little confusing. And I said, I should just have Jason Jones on to talk about it. So Jason Jones, you are impossible to sum up.

But what is your organization? Our organization is the Vulnerable People Project, and we have a very simple mission to stand with the most vulnerable people in the world when the world has walked away. So there are enthusiasms of support for communities suffering oppression or famine, but those enthusiasms dissipate. And so we're a Christian non-human rights organization, and we look to, you know, we want to be with Christ when he's on the cross. So we look to serve the most vulnerable communities in the world and challenging places in times. The Vulnerable People Project. Yes, sir. So tell us about coal for Christmas.

It sounds like a joke. You know, you get coal for Christmas when you're bad, but some people really need coal. Yeah, when I know Santa Claus, I've heard that Santa Claus listens to your show, and so I'm excited to come on your show and challenge him. I think that I can prove that I have delivered more coal in three years for Christmas than Santa Claus has in 1700 years. Well, I think Santa Claus has, in the last decades, he's kind of over and graced the whole grace thing. Yes. And he's not given out much coal.

No. is deserved, he's kind of like, ah, you know, I don't want, I don't want to be the bad guy. Yeah. And so, but you, you have no problem with giving people coal. Now, why would you do that? Well, we give it to good boys and girls and beautiful families, and this is how we've outsmarted Santa. That's a trick. So we've given out, just this week alone, we've given out 400 tons of coal.

Okay, now seriously, people don't understand. We're being serious. You know, dead serious. Four hundred what? Tons of coal. Okay, to whom? To whom? To, um, the widows and orphans.

of our Afghan allies who were killed in action. So Afghan men who fought side by side of the United States were killed in action. Now their wives and their children are at the bottom of the social hierarchy in Afghanistan. They've been just left Christians and other religious minorities in Afghanistan. So we've been rescuing Afghan allies, bringing them to other countries and resettling them.

But there are over 100,000 Afghan allies and families and widows and orphans of Afghan allies who were just left, and they're freezing to death. You know, the pet last year was a brutal winter. And so our team's using donkeys, and these aren't flying donkeys, using deuce and half trucks. We bring coal all over Afghanistan to the Christians, other minorities, and our widows and orphans. So obviously there's a gigantic need for coal. This is a very basic, basic need to stay warm, to cook.

And you, and not die. Of all the things you could do, what led you to want to? to bring coal to Afghan widows and orphans. How did that come about? Well, there was an American, an Afghan-American. He's actually standing right there. He snuck into Afghanistan to rescue his wife. He was a special forces interpreter. This man right here. Yeah, special forces interpreter, snuck into Afghanistan to save his wife, got stuck there. His friend saw me, the U.S. government, members of Congress and State Department would never return his calls. He was like 10 minutes from losing credits, and his friend saw me

on a television show, left me a LinkedIn message that I think you're full of crap. If you're really sincerely, if you're actually getting Afghans out there's an American and his wife who needs your help, within minutes I was talking to this guy on the phone, Prince Wafa. I was able to get him out in the first week of September, second week of September, but it was going to cost me about $150,000. He said, no, we're afraid to go out the route you've set up for us. Just keep working with the State Department. We'll keep working with the State Department to try to get on a plane.

They weren't hiding for almost three, four months. They could have died any of those days. When we get him back to the United States, he said, brother, that money that you saved in not bringing me here the way that you had planned because I wasn't scared at all, that's just too much money from my wife and I. We can keep 30,000 Afghans alive for the winter. Can we use it for that? And we set up a massive distribution system the first winter after the fall,

for our allies who were left there, for the widows, the orphans. There's men who lost their legs, who fought next to us who are now in the streets of Kabul. No one thinks about this. But I'm a veteran. I'm an infantry veteran. And so initially I went into Afghanistan to do these rescues for my cohorts who were committing suicide and were collapsing into severe depression because the men that they fought side by side with were dying, calling them and dying. So we just used the system that we used to get people out of the country and we hit reverse

and we use it to bring coal and food all around the country. So the same network that we created to spirit SIVs and their families out of the country we use to get coal and food all over the country. Did you write about this at stream.org? Yes. John Zmirak interviewed me on this at stream.org. John Smirak, I think I may have posted this, but I should repost this. And there's a little documentary we made about this guy because he's wounded several. He was blown up several times. Came to America with $2 in his pocket, Prince Woffel, my partner in Afghanistan.

Now he owns his own 7-Eleven, he drives a Tesla. And, you know, when he came here, he didn't even have shoes. And he went into a 7-Eleven with $2, his last $2 to get a Gatorade. Ended up with a job, and he now owns that 7-Eleven. Oh, my gosh. Talk about the American dream. People don't understand the American dream is alive. As long as we have any measure of freedom in this country, when you come from a place like Afghanistan,

it's like my father coming from Greece, my mother coming from Germany. they come hungry for opportunities and they find opportunities. And it's an amazing thing. And I think that they're leading the way for those of us who have been born here to remember what this country represents to people outside this country and why we need to fight for this country. We have to fight for this country. What I really love about you, Eric, and I'm really grateful,

and things like America Fest because we are besieged and our inheritance is being squandered and our posterity may be left with nothing. And so rightfully, this organization is, event, 99% of the folks here are going to be focused on saving this country, honoring our ancestors, and saving it for our posterity, and they need to do that. But if we're going to be a city on the hill, and we're Christians, 70% of Paul's exhortations to pray is to pray for the persecuted church. So we still have to remember those who suffer, especially those who suffer because of botched

policy decisions by our government. What Biden did to Afghanistan was a great shame. And so, So you've always given me a platform to share, whether it's the Yazidis in Iraq or the Uyghur, who are manufacturing products for American corporations in Chinese slave labor camps, or Afghan allies who trusted us, fought shoulder to shoulder with us, and the Biden administration left to their death. It's, you know, this is the thing is that it's so dark when you see the wickedness of the Biden administration. I mean, it's one thing to steal an election. You know, if you're willing to do that, obviously you have no more.

morals, you have no principles, all you care about is your own power. And if all you care about is your own power, you don't care about suffering people. You don't care. You simply care about what is going to help you. It is really satanic. And the fact of the matter is real Americans, people like you and me and people listen to this program, we have a voice, we have agency, we have things that we can do in spite of the fact that we have a wicked administration and that is currently in power. I believe we, the people, have to. take this nation back and we're in the process of that. And it's for the whole world. It's not just for America. As you just were saying, I mean, if we're a strong America, we're able to help

the persecuted church. We can do all kinds of things. And that's one of the reasons that we have to fight for America is because when America is strong, the people around the world who are suffering looking for hope, they have a place to look. They have a place to... Imagine a world where there's now a city on a hill. Well, that's it. Where there's nowhere to look up to. and we're careening towards that dark place. Well, that's the point, and that's why I say to people over and over, if you're not fighting in this war, if you're sitting on the sidelines, you're working for the enemy.

And I say that over and over again. My book, A Letter to the American Church, has been turned into a film, a documentary film. People can see the trailer at Letter to the Americanchurch.com. Letter to the Americanchurch.com. Because if the church in America is, activated. If it ceases to be silent and it gets activated, people are going to get involved in these things. And if you're going to a church, I say, that is not fighting in this. Get out of that

church. Don't go to some church on Sunday morning and give your tithe to, you know, it's like German churches that were doing nothing while the Jews were being dragged to the death camps. I mean, people were going to churches on Sunday morning. And I think to myself, do you think God's not going to judge you for going to a church like that while there's evil happening and you're doing nothing and the church is doing nothing. And so, you know, you're my brother in Christ, Jason Jones, and you understand this, that God has allowed us to be alive and to have these abilities to do these things for his purposes in history now. And you're doing that, among other things, by bringing coal to these Afghan widows and orphans. It's an amazing thing. And if you didn't live in America,

you probably wouldn't be able to do this. No, Eric, it's not just Afghanistan. So we got a lot of media coverage of our coal for Christmas campaign in the past two years. So now the church, Mongolia reached out to us. Russia cut their energy in half this year. So we've delivered 400 tons of coal to Mongolia. So we're in Mongolia. We're delivered our coal for Christmas campaign. We actually are working with the last 10 synagogues in Nigeria. We called her Hanukkah for Christmas. You guys. You give me hope. We got Nigeria. We're at a time. What is the website for people to find you and what you're doing? It's the great campaign.org. The great campaign.org and my new book, The Great Campaign against the Great Reset, comes out in April. We already pre-sold the entire first lot. So the great campaign against the great reset comes out, April 16.

Okay, we're going to have to have Eeyon to really talk about that. Yes, sir. Okay, we're out of time, folks. This is my friend Jason Jones. We'll be right back. For more than 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian conservative wireless providers standing behind their values and their exceptional service. They're an example of putting the cause ahead of profits, and it's why I am proud to partner

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know who's going to walk by. For example, James Lindsay. That's right. I walked by. Hey, You walked by and I grabbed you and I said, you, strangely enough, are not just somebody that's interesting to talk to you, but you are featured in Letter to the American Church, the film that people can see the trailer at Letter to the American Church.com. And I thought, son of a gun, if you're in the film, let's talk about what you talk about in the film. And neither of us probably can remember what you talk about in the film because there's so many things in the film. What about, why don't we talk about the way we talk about how Maoism is linked to critical race theory, to critical theory? I mean, that's something that, let's see if we can wrap our heads around that, because this is one of the, we're dealing with, we're dealing with the communist Chinese agenda in America, in the world. It's wicked. We're dealing with the critical race theory, which is Marxist atheism.

But how do we link these up? How do you link them up? Well, I mean, frankly, America's got a lot of problems right now, Eric. But one of the problems we have is we have what I call redwashed education. So our education hasn't been whitewashed. The communists have redwashed it. What I mean by that is we don't learn about the history of communism. We don't teach our children this.

We teach them about fascism. sort of. We teach them about Nazis a little better. We don't teach them about communism at all. Not at all. It's just another economic system. It's about as deep as it goes. And let's be clear, communism, ladies and gentlemen, is as wicked or more wicked than Nazism. When you know the history of what the communists did in the 20th century and are continuing to do, it is utterly wicked, godless atheism, cruel, sadistic to people of faith, to people of conscience, And you're quite right, American schools somehow have just turned away. So you call it being they've been redwashed.

Yeah, redwashed education. And as a result, we don't know what Mao Zedong did. We don't know how he built his programs out of Stalin's articulation of the second phase of equality, of true equality, which was to agitate racial issues, just like we see in CRT. But what Mao operated to transform China to create his youth rebellion, that he called the Red Guard, again, a point people barely know, is that he used identity politics. And that's the link. I think the intersectionality with critical race theory and the queer theory and the feminism and all the things mixed together is just a recreation of Mao's identity politics system.

Right. What he did was he separated the people into two broad categories that were the people and the enemies of the people. And the people were taught to hate the enemies of the people and blame them for everything, humiliate them, shame them, destroy and take their property, you know, harm them, sometimes kill them. And absolute hatred from young childhood. You were taught for the enemies of the people. And then he created identity categories within those. The people were, oh, it's communist. So he had his, you know, laborers with their hammers and the peasants with their sickles. But then they didn't get treated well at all. They got treated like dirt anyway.

But the people that got treated okay, revolutionary leaders, revolutionary soldiers, revolutionary volunteers. it was the revolutionaries, the people who joined his movement, who actually had standing in society. That's the people. By his definition, he said the people are the people who support the building of socialism. The enemies of the people are the people who resist the building of socialism. Okay, so this sounds very familiar.

The demonization of people you disagree with, in our world we call it cancel culture. You demonize certain groups of people. You elevate other groups of people. Yeah, we call them racist, transphobe, homophobe, unvaccinated, deplorable, conspiracy theorist, domestic, what is it, violent domestic extremist or whatever? All these terms are recreations of Mao's landlord, rich farmer,

counter-revolutionary, bad influence, right-winger, revisionist. Those are the enemies. It's unbelievable. Now, I didn't do you justice when I introduced you. I didn't even introduce you. I said you're James Lindsay, but where can people find you? And, you know, you're an academic. It's safe to say.

You're an academic who has seen through this stuff and has written extensively about it. What is your most recent book, James? So the most recent book that I published is called The Marxification of Education. It's about a year old now. The Marxification of Education. Okay, so that's exactly what we're talking about right now. That's right. That's right.

And it talks about what they call the critical turn in education, which is how a Brazilian Marxist's terrible ideas that he openly says he adapted from, guess who, Mao, those ideas became the standard for all of Western education. Most American school kids don't even know who Mao is. That's right. And that's by design. It's unbelievable. Mao Zetung was one of the most wicked, one of the most wicked tyrants in the history of the world. People know about Adolf Hitler.

Some people know about Stalin. Mao did as much or more harm than both of them. and we now have the Chinese Communist Party. They've kind of, you know, shifted a little bit. They've kind of cleaned themselves up for popular consumption so that they can gaslight fools like Gavin Newsom. And the fact of the matter is that the wickedness of Mao and the Chinese Communist Party is virtually unknown in America.

We had Xi Van Fleet or Xi Van Fleet on this program, and she described her. experience in the Chinese cultural revolution in the 1960s, most Americans are unaware of that. And that, if somebody says to me, you know, what is happening now with the woke, crazy left, it seems the most like the cultural revolution, Mao's cultural revolution of the 1960s. I mean, there are parallels to Nazi Germany, but it really seems like that. And so I want to continue the conversation, folks. I'm talking to James Lindsay.

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Come back. We're at Amfest. I'm talking to James Lindsay about the, what's the title of your book? The Marxification of Education. Of education. Yeah. Okay.

And you call it the redwashing of education, how we don't teach about the evil of really communism most American kids aren't aware of the evil of communism and the fact of the matter is

if you're not aware of the evil of communism it's hard for you to appreciate the beauty of American style self-government it's hard for you to understand because you need the contrast right because the communists

have a great sales pitch everything's going to be fair everybody's going to get their fair share nobody's going to have to do more actually it's everything thing they write is the reduction of the working day. You don't have to work so hard. You're going to have money. You're going to have freedom. You're going to have liberation. Be whatever you want. Do whatever you want. You'll have no property and you'll be happy.

Well, it's literally the model right there, isn't it? You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. So isn't this interesting? Is that we have globalist elitists like Carl Schwab, globalist elitists like Soros, who are espousing the same values of communist dictators. They're in bed ideologically with communist dictators, and we have all kinds of foolish, left-leaning young Americans who are really somehow ignorant of the nightmare of communism in the 20th century. I mean, it is a waking nightmare, and if we were teaching this as we ought to be teaching it, people would not be, you know, as inclined to accept the globalist teaching talking points.

Yeah, it would be very much more difficult for them to fall for the tricks and the manipulations if they had a historical precedent to compare against. And we saw that. Just a few years ago, while it was probably mostly what the communists would call an active measure

or the lay person would call a sciops, they went around to called everything that looked even slightly authoritarian. Oh, you're a Nazi. Trump's a Nazi. Everybody's a Nazi. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah, Nazi, Nazi. And isn't that come around on them now? but if we teach that, there's a sensitivity to that.

People are aware of that to a degree. It could be better. But they're not aware of the tricks and manipulations of communism. They don't understand that this promise of, you know, a free, a bunch of free stuff and everybody's got new kinds of liberty and, you know, a reduction of the working day. You don't have to work. They don't know that this is a lie, that things like universal basic income and sustainability and inclusion. Inclusion means including communists.

Sustainability means sustaining the system under the arbitrary rules that they put in to shrink down our ability to produce for ourselves or know what to do for ourselves. Well, look, let's cut to the chase. They're lying. It's very simple. They lie. They present some ideas. They have zero actual belief in those ideas.

They're presenting this utopianist scheme which is designed to suck people in. That's right. And then to destroy those very people, right? So they use these terms like inclusion and whatever. They are genuinely about exclusion. And they have to lie and promise what they can't deliver. Otherwise, nobody would, you know, if anybody could understand this stuff, which is why they don't want people to know about this.

And so it's vital that people understand the evil of communism and why it is evil and why it doesn't work. And, you know, it's interesting, though, because it seems to me, I can't remember who famously said that the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money, right? I feel the same is true of the wokeism, that madness. Eventually, somehow it begins to break down, begins to devour itself. Yeah. We're seeing that a little bit. Yeah, I think so.

The whole thing is it's a snake eating its own tail, so eventually it has to start doing that. where maybe it's you run out of other people's money, it becomes that you run out of people's goodwill. They're playing off of a lot of people's goodwill. They're asking people to believe them. And I'll take you a step further than that they're lying. Dennis Prager said this over the summer. I heard him say it, and it's stuck with me.

It's not that they're lying. It's that they are liars. It's a significant difference. He says that the truth is nowhere near one of their values. They don't value the truth. In fact, they tell you that they don't value the truth. And instead, what they say that they value is operational success. In other words, they're going to get their way.

Right. Now, hang on. So operational success is a nice way of saying power. We want to win. That's correct. We value winning, and we will do anything, absolutely anything. We will lie, we will cheat, we will steal. We don't believe those are wrong.

We believe in winning at any cost, at all costs. And it is a satanic project. and it runs against anything that most people would believe in. It runs against those things. And so because they don't believe that lying is even wrong, they don't even believe truth exists, they're not going to try to be clear. They will use deception.

They will use anything they can. Actually, it is a value that they hold in high regard, right? In other words, if I can deceive you, I don't believe in truth. I just believe in winning. So they don't say, well, we'll lie if we have. have to. They're thrilled to lie, if it works. And again, most Americans, to my mind, are naive. We live in a world where most people believe in truth. Most people believe lying is wrong. And if you live in that world, when you're lied to, it's hard for you to believe at first that

you're being lied to because you haven't spent a lot of time around liars. You spent a lot of time around decent people. That's right. And that's part of how they win in the West. You could say the same really for radical Islam, that most of the... Most people, they want to believe that we're all the same. We have the same values. And then when you realize, well, no, if these people get a chance, they want to kill you. They want to wipe you out. That's right.

They think of you as vermin. It's hard for most Americans to get that, but they need to get it. Yeah. So the thing is, is we are. We've become comfortable and soft. And what boils down to the fundamental Western civic principle. A lot of people don't think about what is that. What is the fundamental Western civic principle?

Right. So this has nothing to do necessarily with religion or anything else. what's our civic principle? And it's that good faith criticism of any idea from any person is always on the table. Yeah. But the problem is, is when you get soft and comfortable and assume the best of everybody, bad faith criticism can look exactly the same, and you don't have the filters to put that out.

So bad faith criticism, in other words, subversion and infiltration, those are not part of the Western civic virtues. That's right. And they very easily can slide under the radar. And that's ultimately something we've got to become, I hate to say, a little more cynical, but it's more discerning is the right world. It's called being discerning. It's called being wise as serpents, I believe. That's right.

Jesus told us to be wise as serpents. We're going to be right back, folks. I'm talking to James Lindsay. His new book is The Marxification of Education. Don't go away. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to, I believe it's James Lindsay, Dr. James Lindsay. The book is The Marxification of Education. This is so important, and I want to say that I'm excited that you're in the film, Letter to the American Church.

You've got a lot of valuable things to say in the film, a lot of important voices. You can go to Letter to the American Church.com and see the trailer. So where do we just leave off? Well, you left off. Actually, I'm glad you asked, because I want to talk about that. You left off saying Jesus said that we have to be wise as serpents. but this isn't the whole thing he said, of course, and every Christian knows it. He said that you have to be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves. What the communists want you to be as gentle as dove so they can roll over you, but they don't want any of that wisdom.

They don't want any of the sermon. But that to me, the reason I wrote a letter to the American Church is that this has infiltrated the church. The church understands that we're supposed to be nice. We're supposed to be innocent as doves, gentle as doves, but you're supposed to be Jesus said wise as serpents. Another words, Jesus exhorts us to understand. understand there is this thing called evil. You need to be aware. There's satanic evil that lies and murders. And if you live in a world that feels like, well, we move past that. We live in a nice country. It's America. Everything's cool, man. Not according to Jesus. Not according to the biblical view.

And there are many churches that they feel like one of the commandments is to be winsome, is to be nice. And, you know, the scripture says, it says that we're supposed to be at peace with all men, where possible. It says in the scripture, where possible. In other words, there are times when it's not possible. There's times when you have to fight. There are times when you have to defend yourself. There are times when you have to say, I'm sorry, you're lying. And we have a lot of people in America and in the American church, they don't understand that that's necessary.

Right. Well, I mean, just to stick with the gospel itself, you know, I get told a lot. You know, Christians are supposed to be nice. They're supposed to be winsome. Yeah. Aren't you supposed to love your neighbor? So what about your neighbor who's trying to transition? Aren't you supposed to love them and affirm them. But the thing is, well, Jesus sat down with the prostitutes, the tax collectors. He was welcoming. He was inclusive. He was, he made a place where everybody feels like they belong, but that's not true. Jesus didn't affirm demon possession. He didn't affirm prostitution. He didn't affirm corruption. But even where the scene where he meets

with the demon, you know, infested with the guy invested with lesion, he says, he casts out the demon. He doesn't affirm the demon. So what you have to do with something like that is, yeah, you do have to love and like try to be with your neighbor who's maybe going through something like that but you also have to to lay truth on them you have to in love lay truth in love on them you can't leave part of it out you can't leave the wiser serpents part out you can't leave the casting out demons or telling the truth part you he didn't just accept you as you were if there was a demon involved this is not part of the game in my next book which is the sequel to led it to the american church called religionless Christianity. I talk about this idea that many in the church have adopted,

that winsomeness is like a commandment. And you think, well, you know, Elijah, when he dealt with the priests of bail, he was not winsome. He was sarcastic and mocking. When Jesus said to the Pharisees, you are of your father, the devil, that was not very winsome. So there's a time to be winsome, and there's a time not to be winsome. And we need to have discernment. There is evil, and we have to recognize it. And, you know, that's most American. the reason that they don't, and you've said it, they don't see the wickedness of communism is they don't, they think that there's a world

where everybody's sort of nice. Everybody has a nice idea. It's not even just in the gospel. That's Genesis. Genesis is designed around the idea of separating that which is different. The discernment is required. Discernment is where good from evil is determined.

Truth from falsity. Man from woman. All of these things are wholly from profane. These are all extremely important thing. from private to put it in the modern civic context. That's right. Sacred from profane. It's just so great to talk to you.

James, where can people find you? New discourses.com is the website. New discourses.com. And obviously, folks, when you see the film Letter to the American Church, you will see, James. Lindsay, thank you so much. Thanks, Eric. He'll have a big fat pack upon his back

And lots of goodies for you