The Eric Metaxas Show - Jason Pamer

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

Producer Jason Pamer shares a new Angel Studios documentary film "After Death" - a Documentary on NDE Suvivors. Buy tickets at angel.com/eric

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On this Monday, let me just warn people. Um, this week, first of all, Albin Seder. Dant-da-da is going to be on the show. And he's got some news. It's kind of fun. It's not kind of fun. It's totally, totally fun. Yeah.

So Alben, you've been wondering, hey, where's Albin? What's he been doing? You'll find out. Oh, you'll find out. In fact, you could say it will be very obvious. Oh, it's going to be obvious. Yeah, very obvious. Extremely obvious.

And I want to say, he's written a book and the title is obvious. Yeah, that's it. Literally, obvious. Okay, so we have today, John Smirak on the program. Also, coming up, I think, yes, the producer of a film called After Death, this is the kind of thing that obsesses me. somebody has finally done it. They've made a film about what happens after you die. Now, I've always been interested in this.

We've had many guests on the program. In fact, many of the guests on the program are in the film. In fact, you could make a case that they stole the idea from you. Yes, they stole the idea, and they should tithe unto me after the order of Melchizedek. That's biblical. I should be getting some money. But if you want to buy a ticket to the film after it, this is the perfect thing to bring someone to that, they're not sure what they think about, you know, anything, God or heaven or whatever.

This film is made for them. It's called After Death. And you can actually pre-order tickets. Use this link, actually, please. Angel.com slash Eric. Angel.com slash Eric. Okay, so we got Albin coming on this week. We have the tallest guest ever in the history of this program.

He's a giant. By, I think, four or five. inches. I'm not even sure. A seven foot tall man. Yeah, I'm not even sure who would be number two. Like, that's how he's disorientingly tall. He's disorientingly tall. Yeah, we can't think of who would be a close second. Well, when I met him, it kind of freaked me out. I thought, I'm not this short. I know for a fact, I'm not this short. Right. And so when I found he was seven feet tall, I was like, okay,

I'll let it ride. No, but if you're really seven feet tall, but like either that or I've just, you know, lost four vertebrae. Well, that's what happened. When he came into the studio, I saw you visibly shrink three inches. It's like, yeah, so tallest guest ever. And by the way, on radio, you're not going to be able to tell. Yeah, you have to go online. So you're going to have to go online. You've got to put it on Rumble. Listen, everybody needs to go to Eric Mataxis.com, sign up for the newsletter.

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Check out the film. To check out the film. after death. And again, you can buy I mean, it's just a great tool. When somebody makes a film like this, I just want everybody to support it. Angel.com slash Eric.

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If you have followed my career and who hasn't, you know. that I'm interested in the miraculous. I've written a book called miracles. We do Miracle Mondays on this program, not every week. But anyone who has any curiosity about life, anyone who has any intellectual integrity, and that's not that many people, but anyone in that category is interested in whether this is all there is

or whether there is something beyond this world. And anytime I get to talk to somebody about that, I'm a happy guy, which is to say I'm a happy guy right now because I have the producer of a film all about this. It's called After Death. And his name is Jason Palmer. Jason, welcome.

Thanks for having me, Eric. Look, this is a big deal. You've made a feature film about... people who have experienced things, they claim after death. And it turns out it's real, but we don't want to spoil it. Where do you come from in life that you decide to do a feature film interviewing people, some of whom actually I have interviewed, a number of the folks you've interviewed. I've interviewed on this program over the years.

But how did you get to a place where you wanted to make a film about this? because in my mind, it's about time. I'm really happy that you did this. I'm grateful for you saying that. May I just say up front that, you know, it's one thing to make a film. It is a more difficult thing to release and market and find an audience. And without shows like yours and voices like yours in the marketplace,

it would be impossible. So we're incredibly grateful to be with you today. You know, the directors sent us a short film that they had produced. And for all young version filmmakers out there, if you're trying to get your thing made, send something that the producers can see. And they sent a short film that was so compelling. And it was a short on one of the stories that made us wearing to the feature on Captain Dale Black, who crashed into a 70-foot tower at 135 miles per hour.

And his two co-pilots died. And he had this crazy out-of-body experience. So I grew up with a faith that told me that there is an afterlife. But if someone would have said, hey, I just died. And I experienced it out. Oh, okay, sure. So I would have been skeptical on the people's recounting of their experiences, even though my faith told me that, yeah, there is something. And in this film, you know, we deep dive into 14 near-death experience stories through the eyes of researchers and oncologists and cardiologists and scientists.

And so we dive into the verifiable pieces of the NDE stories. And coming out of the film, I'm like, man, heaven is for real. There's no doubt about it. I mean, there are plenty people who have a problem with that. And I just want to say they have a problem with reality. They are just unwilling to deal with the facts of the reality because the evidence is overwhelming evidence, overwhelming evidence. And again, I've written about this.

I've talked about it over the years. It's just overwhelming. And, you know, the only problem is figuring out the details maybe. But, you know, it's kind of like saying, like, I don't believe atoms exist. I don't believe in molecules. I've never seen one. Next, next subject. I don't want to discuss it.

You're just being, you know, childish, basically. So the evidence is so overwhelming. But again, people rarely put it out there. So I just want to say, you know, props to you and the folks behind the film after death. Before we get into the details, how can people see the film? So right now, people can go to angel.com slash after death. Pre-buying tickets. There's over 100,000 people in the U.S.

that have already pre-bought their ticket to a showing on October 27th that comes out. It is a, and we're so humbled by it, it is a top 10 all-time doc release in terms of screen count and partnering with Angel Studios in there, you know, the way they have disrupted the marketplace in literally every corner of the marketplace, they've done it again here with a dock. You don't take docs to theaters,

and you certainly don't take a dock out wide. and we are doing both of those things on October 27th all over North America. Well, you know, when you said about, you know, thanks to me in this platform from getting the word out, that is literally why God gave me this platform, because for years, I have noticed things like your film and I said, we live in a world where, you know, Charlie Rose, before he got kicked off of his show, he was not going to have you on. Jay Leno was not going to have you on. You know, these are the most compelling things.

Everybody's interested in this. Everyone is interested in this. The New York Times is not going to write about this. People are uncomfortable with this. There's a secular, you know, wall that they just don't with this filter. They don't want to deal with this, makes them uncomfortable. So I thank God for this program, for other programs, because I know how interested people on this. You don't need to be a Christian or whatever. Anyone with any kind of a brain is interested in this,

and they've heard stories. So let's get into it, Jason. The film is after death. You said Angel Studios is distributing it, which is fantastic. So who are some of the people you interview? What are some of the stories in here? Yeah. So we interview folks that, like you said earlier, you have interviewed, Dr. Mary Neal, who's a spine surgeon who died in a kayaking accident. She was underwater for, I think it's just around 30 minutes before she, her body came to the surface and they found her. We interviewed Captain Dale Black, who his story was all over the front of the L.A. Times when his plane took off out of Burbank and crashed into a tower.

and at 135 miles an hour at a 70 feet, two of his co-pilots died on impact. And that story, again, we focused on stories that were well documented. The NTSB did an entire report on it. We have people like Dr. Jeffrey Long, who is an oncologist. His body of research covers 4,000 global NDE stories that are all verifiable. So NDE is near-death experience. Yeah, yeah. John Burke, who wrote Imagine Heaven.

He's got a new book coming out. Imagine the God of Heaven. He's a key person in the film as well who did deep research on over a thousand NDE accounts. Howard Storm has an hellish NDE experience. He is in many ways the emotional climax of the film. That's one thing too. You know, 23% of reported NDEs are hellish or intense NDE experiences. And Howard's is central in the film.

And to me, that was one thing I was not expecting. I don't think people that, you know, have near death experiences expect to go there either. He was a ardent atheist, a college professor, a tenured college professor. And he thought when you die, that's it. You cease to exist. And he went through a horrific experience in a hospital in France. And as he's passing away, he moves out of his body and sees his body in the bed, moves his way to the door as he hears whispers calling him out there.

And all of a sudden he's confronted with a number of demonic. He wouldn't call him that, but he would say dark beings that were whispering to him to keep following. So we recreated this at 20th century Fox built a lot in Mexico to shoot the Titanic when we shot for a few weeks down there for all the reenactment. So we bring this back to life and they start to pillage him. And I can't get too explicit here, but they do horrific things to him. And then his memory recall brings back this moment when he was a child taken into a church. and he remembers a hymn, and that hymn starts in his head, and all of a sudden, as he describes it, there's this cosmic love racing through the universe to get him and rips them

up out of the arms of these demons. I mean, it's a very profound moment in the film, and I think the contrast is beautiful. You have the darkest, most isolating experience, most painful experience, and then you're literally in the arms of love, and they're saying, we don't make a mistake, you stay with us. you're not going back there. I mean, there's some theology embedded in there, I'm sure, but, you know, his experience was profound. I understand most of the demons look like Christopher Walken or Miley Cyrus.

Is that true? No comment. No, so seriously, I have to joke about hell is just what I do. It's so mind-blowing to me that there are these stories. these people when you interview them, obviously in this film, you know they're not making this up. And there's too much detail to feel like this is just, this was just a dream or something like that.

There's too much bizarre stuff involved. And that's why I kind of think people with an open mind, they have to be moved to think about these issues. You talk about hell. People always want to know what is that, what is that like? And I've seen so many different interviews along these lines. But before we go back to that, I want to talk about heaven. And because there are similarities.

And there's when you listen to enough of these and you've interviewed people, they're interviewed in the film after death, who have, they have themselves, of you thousands of people. So you begin to see patterns. That's what's so fascinating to me. This is not just like one-off, crazy stuff. You see patterns. You see there's a reality there that you bump up against over and over and over again. How can all these people have the same experiences with these same details unless there's a reality we're dealing with, an unseen reality? The film is after death. You can go to angel.com slash after death. Angel.com slash after death.

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I'm talking to Jason Pamer. That's how it's pronounced. You understand Pamer? Jason Pamer. He's the producer of a new film called After Death, which is a feature-length film in theaters, distributed by Angel Studios. I am just so thrilled, again, Jason,

that you have made this film because the curiosity level, most people are really curious about this, but they're never exposed in the just preposterously secular media to any of these stories, which are innumerable. And so you've interviewed so many people in the film. You interviewed so many people. So let's talk about a few of it.

Mary Neal, I interviewed on this program a few years ago, had the privilege of having dinner with her. And my wife and I got to get some more details. I don't know how anyone who hears just her story can doubt that it's real. Talk a little bit about her. Yeah, she's incredible. I mean, listen, it's like it's the scale of story globally

from all different types of cultures, walks of life. It is the uniformity of these stories. There's like over 30 different pieces of evidence across these stories that line up. Mary, you know, is an MD, a spinal surgeon. So it was not in her best interest to come back to Earth and go around the globe saying that she experienced all this spiritual stuff

because she comes from, you know, a practice and a discipline that is rooted and tethered to the materialistic, to the material world. So, you know, from a reputation standpoint, she had nothing to gain. In fact, she had much to lose. Not a good career move for a spinal surgeon, ladies and gentlemen. And yet, Mary Neal was willing to talk about this and has talked about it. So she talks about it in the film. But some of the details are so sick and amazing. So I don't want to give it away because I want to.

want people to see the film, but oh my gosh, trust me, folks. You can't. When we had dinner with her, I was just marveling that I'm sitting there having a meal with this woman who went through what she described. I could not believe it. It really was just horrifying. I mean, I'll just say from what I remember that, you know, she and her husband, these are like people, how do we put this. You know, have you ever met these next level achievers, right? Like, they're, their top surgeons, and for vacation, they go to other countries to do, like, daring kayaking stuff. Amazing people. And what she describes, I, again, I was just speechless and astonished at the details. And I always want to know, what are people, how do you explain that?

People should catch your interview with her as a tease to October 27th. That's online. Dr. Mary Neal and Eric Matakas, you can find it. I mean, she goes off a waterfall. First of all, her and her husband, they do this. They take every precaution on this particular stretch of river. You know, somebody in front of her made a last-minute choice that caused her to go off of the waterfall in a certain way. And when she gets to the bottom, the tip of her kayak gets lodged.

and then the flow of water stays on top of her, and she can't get out until her knees break, and then her body is released, but that's after she'd been under the waterfall for quite some time. And she's somewhere between like 8 and 15 feet of water. And, you know, some of the critics go, oh, well, it's cold. And if the water's cold, then the brain can, the water at that point in the year was warm, low 60s. So it's like, again, all these stories have like.

For a long, long time. is unbelievable. I mean, the details, you just touched on a few of them, but it's unbelievable. It's sick. And yet, she lived to tell the story. I didn't know that my interview with her was online. So Neil is N.A.L. Mary Neal. Eric Metaxis, that is a good tease for this program for this film. The film, again, is after death. You can go to angel.com slash after death. this would be a great film to take people to who are not sure what they think. Absolutely. Because most people are not exposed ever to anything like this.

It's incredible. It's not a Christian film. It's a film that just talks about what people have experienced. You can make your own conclusions. Let's go back to the hellish stuff, though, because, you know, you get a lot of stories about, I saw there's like a tunnel and a feeling of peace and whatever. But you rarely hear about people who've experienced something really, really horrible. It's like people don't want to talk about those stories.

I'm sure they're way more than we hear about. You mentioned one. Are there others? Yeah, Howard Storm has, he's got a book out there. He's featured in the film heavily. There's a pastor from Texas, Paula Heda, who had a hellish experience. Steve King is also on our film. he grew up Buddhist.

And when he died, he had a certain expectation of the afterlife. And he was listening to these voices that if he took his life, he could increase, you know, the amount of peace he had in eternity. And so he started to stab and rip his chest open. You might need to change the verbs around here. He self-inflicted his wounds. And he got to the point where he lost so much blood. And then his experience was.

utter darkness. I think darkness is a key feature of the hellish experience. Utter isolation. And I don't think that word is easy to grasp. We're just, we, none of us are ever in utter isolation. But utter isolation, the sounds, I mean, Howard experienced these dark beings that were literally ripping him apart. I mean, he even went to a certain point in the interview and wouldn't go farther. He couldn't continue. So those are some of the really intense. And then how love confronted these moments. how this like cosmic, ancient, universal love came and grabbed him from it. I mean, that to me is like some of the most profound emotional pieces of the film.

Dr. Donald, I agree. Hang on, Jason. We're going to go to a break. We'll be right back. Folks, I hope you're excited. I'm excited that this film exists. After death is the title. We'll be right back.

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That's Essential Church, streaming at SalemNow.com. Folks, welcome back. I'm obviously excited to be talking about a film. This is the kind of stuff that I dream about that people would get out there and make films like this. Thank the Lord, they're making films like this. I'm talking to one of the producers, Jason Pamer, who has made a film called After Death.

It's important. We are living in perilous times, and people want to know what happens. Are we near the end of history? What happens if I die? these are the most normal human questions. Since the beginning of human history, people have asked these questions,

and we're living in a culture that, unlike most cultures, shies away from these questions. These questions are uncomfortable. We should do exactly the opposite. And that's what the film after death does. So Jason Pamer, what else can we talk about? Well, I think there's a couple stories in the film we haven't touched it. I mean, Don Piper wrote 90 minutes in heaven. He was killed instantly when

a semi-truck crushed his car on a bridge. So that was a fun challenge as a filmmaker to figure how to reenact that. I've also interviewed him on the program. And that's a number of years ago. But what a story. I'm so glad that you do a reenactment of it because it's so dramatic. It's so amazing. So I'm thrilled that you that you did that. Keep talking. about that. Well, it's so dramatic, but also, you know, in that story, we had not seen, it's not to say it doesn't exist anywhere online, but we had not seen a bunch of corroborative voices around that moment. So there was a lady who wrote a book. She was following Don to the bridge. But then there was a trooper that came that was first on site. So we got his interview.

And what it, he came upon the scene and they treated it like it was a death. So they taped it off. And they, they were going to just. Because they knew it was a death. Yeah. They knew. They're not going to treat it like a death unless they know it's a death. If there's a possibility that you're alive, they're not going to treat it like a death. It was a death. And they treated it professionally like a death because obviously he was dead.

Yeah. Yeah, you summed it up well. So that's a story that's it gave me more confidence as we were able to find more voices that could speak into that actual moment and day and time. Dr. Asmael Zamar is a scientist, a neurosurgeon who has the first recording of a dying human brain. I had thought that would have happened before. It never happened until a couple years ago. And the research came out beginning of last year.

It made every news publication across the globe, the Guardian, the New York Times, everyone covered it. No one had ever had a dying human brain hooked up and recorded. And they did. And they found some interesting things. and the brain's activity post-death, particularly related to memory recall and sort of what would be what we would consider a life review. So it's not definitive yet on what it means, but it is a directionally points toward some things that these NDEers are saying they experience, which is this review of life.

This life review is a profound thing. I mean, Mary's recounting of what she saw in her life review to me is some of the most impacting takeaways from the film. I don't know if you want to go there or not, but Dr. Asmel-Zamars studies in the film. And I think it's the only, it's the first time it's in a documentary. It was all over every major press outlet last year. And he was our last interview for the film. No, happy to talk about that.

Happy to talk about Mary Neal. All this is just so fascinating. I mean, I could talk for this about ours. And I have in the past. It's just, it's important. I don't see what could be more important than asking this question. And so that's why I'm so glad you have made. made the film after death and that it's, you know, in theaters, October 27th.

This is important. So yes, anything you want to say about that? Well, in Mary's life review, you know, she had this perspective and context that we just don't get here on earth in this sort of this liminal space between this life and the neck. She saw how her life had impacted 30 degrees out, not 30 total people, 30 degrees out. So Eric has a daughter, has a friend, has a mom, who has a cousin, who has an uncle. and she saw her life's impact rippled that far out. And so it gave her a sense of like, well, how shall I then live here?

Every one of my decisions matters. And how I enter my day and exit my day and how I interact with people really does matter. And into a degree that I had no concept of. So that was one piece of her life review that was profound to me. And then another one was, you know, she experienced abuse as a young girl. And in her life review, she saw the abuser and the abuse that the abuser had. received. And it wasn't to justify the action, but it was to give her a sense of context or perspective. And I found that so profound that it just, it was a grace given to her in this

moment where the eternal was giving her access to a point of view that you just can't have here. I mean, so to me, those are two beautiful moments in the film. Well, there's something else, you know, when people say, my life flash before my eyes, ladies and gentlemen, where do you think phrases like that come from if there were not generations of evidence, stories of people who had their life flash before their eyes before they die, whatever? I mean, where do we think we get this stuff from? There's a reality. In my book Miracles, I talk about my friend who's now passed away, Alice von Hildebrand, who experienced this. I think it was 1940.

Anyway, I write about it in my book, Miracles. But the point is that you hear these stories. These people are making it up. So Mary Neal, you know, top spinal surgeon, talking about this, talking about these things. We should be fascinated by this. We should want to know more about this. And I really do believe that this is, you know, it's exciting to me, Jason, because it portends good things. for the future, that we are, you know, as we see evil around us, God's light shines brighter.

We're getting more evidence of God to help people along in their decisions. Yeah. Well, we're coming out for three years of great loss, grief, and stress globally. We are in a new season of unrest globally. And it's not to say it hasn't been there for a long time, but I just think our access to the amount of unrest through social has heightened the level of anxiety globally. And I think death and what is on the other side is in the milieu. It is a topic of pop culture that the top podcast in the world, like yours, like Rogans, are talking about near-death experiences and the afterlife and consciousness.

This is, I think this film enters the conversation in a unique point in human history. I agree with you. And I, and I, uh, my, my book is atheism dead. I felt the same way about that. Like I thought evidence is coming out now. Why is it coming out now? This is to me, God's mercy to us. Uh, evidence for himself, evidence for life after death.

Uh, so we're living in exciting times. The film is after death. You can go to angel.com slash after death. You got to see this. You got to bring friends to this, uh, folks. We'll be right back. I couldn't find. The clouds got in my way.

Darker shame. Welcome back talking to Jason Pamer, who is one of the producers of a new film. Boy, I'm excited. It's called After Death. Jason, what else? Well, I just want to say thanks again for having us. I mean, listen, one of the approaches to the filmmaking process was we want to make this beautiful. Obviously, we're talking about heaven.

and we felt like we had never seen a accurate, it's not the right word, a compelling representation of what that could be. And so, you know, you have led very well and the art you've created across the books, but also shows like Socrates in the city. You exposed me to people through your interviews that I've actually now gone on and made films with because I saw him first on your Socrates in the City show. Dr. Stephen Meyer is a mutual friend of ours. and I'm making a movie with him.

And it's because I saw this theology of beauty that you cared about beauty for beauty's sake and that it mattered and that how we approach art, how we approach the things we make really does matter. And it's not just this sort of thin, we're made in the Amalgardei, therefore we're all creators. It wasn't like that. It was like, no, no, it's worth making something beautiful

just because it is. And that show and the books that you've done, this level of excellent that's attached and embedded in the way you approach art was an inspiration to me. And I feel like I'm downstream from it. And the headwaters, you know, have given us life and vision and perspective on how to approach art and filmmaking specifically here.

So I'm just very grateful, again, for the show's platform, for your voice on getting the film out, but also for the way you've lived your life and the art you've created. I mean, I've got other friends that are around. I'm confusing me with James Commissioner or Stephen King, but thank you. No, seriously, I think that's very kind of you. And I want to say that, look, when you do something with excellence, if you're able to do it with excellence, it's more compelling and it reaches more people.

That's a big part of it. And so my books and everything I do, the goal, of course, is not just to get it done, but just to reach people. And if you can do something with excellence, you really, reach more people. You reach the people who are on the fence who maybe wouldn't be interested if it weren't well written or well produced or well filmed or whatever. And I think that's important. If you actually care about other people, you really want to reach them, do the best you can. And again, that's why I'm so thrilled that you have made this film. Because

you know, most people are curious about this. You know, anybody with a brain in their head has to be curious about this, even if they won't admit it. They're curious about this. Because we all know, uh-oh, we're going to die. What happens? Is that it? And so I think, you know, because you've made this film after death, it's really, it's a vehicle. You can bring friends who aren't sure what they think. That's the point. It's getting those people to begin thinking, just to get them to begin thinking, folks, you don't have to lead them to Christ, you know, before you leave the theater

or whatever religious idea you have of how you're supposed to, you know, lead somebody. No, all you need to do is get people thinking. God cares about leading them along. So your job is just to get them to think about it, get them to watch this film or Socrates in the city or whatever. Just lead them a little bit. And that's why, Jason, I'm just so glad you,

all have made this film because people with the evil unleashed in the world, with what's going on in Israel right now, people have these questions. And so I think more and more folks like you and others are we're beginning to make this kind of stuff to help people. So thank you. The film is after death, not to be confused with Neil Simon's Murdered by Death starring Peter Falk, totally different film. This is after death. Go to angel.com slash after death. October 27th is the launch date. Jason Pamer.

Thank you and God bless you for making this. Thanks, Eric.