The Eric Metaxas Show - Jeff Clark

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

Former assistant attorney general Jeff Clark joins to discuss his time under the trump administration. 

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birthday. Chris Heim's, did you know that? I did know that. Unfortunately, all those themed were so happy you're dead Carvel cookie cakes were sold out. Shoot. I'm sorry. You know, you got to take that to the cross. Those concerns. That's just heavy. You can't deal with that on your own. I'm very sorry. Yeah. So, no, it's kind of funny. I remember April 20th as Hitler's birthday because my grandmother, you know, who was born in 1905, who grew up in Germany and lived through Hitler's Germany. Her birthday was April 15th, and she would always say, that's so unfortunate. No, it's just so funny that I knew that I knew that. And then I wrote my Bonhofer book.

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April 20th? I said, my first guest is going to be Alice on Hildebrain. Her husband. was the number one enemy of Adolf Hitler in Austria, Dietrich von Hildebrandt, one of the great Christian heroes of the 20th century. We had his widow on the program as our first guest. And you know what? This brings up something. If you, I promise you, I promise you, one of the greatest interviews I have ever done for Socrates in the city is with Alice von Hildebrand. Alice von Hildebrandt was 91, almost 91 when I interviewed her for Socrates in the City.

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And I recommend go to Socrates in the city.com, watch that interview. In fact, I was talking to Abby Johnson, the pro-life hero, our friend Abby Johnson. She said that my interview with Alice von Hildebrand changed her life. There's something so powerful about what Alice von Hildebron talks about. I think the title of it was the privilege of being a woman. It's the biblical idea of what does it mean to be a woman. It's unlike anything you've heard. The woman was just brilliant.

Yeah, she was probably our oldest guest or one of our oldest guests. before Jack Warful. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, oh, yeah, for the show, for the program. For the show. But she was definitely the fisciest guest at the same time. Like, she won both awards, you know? I'm telling you, she is, go to Socratesin'the City.com.

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I'm a fan, and I actually first became aware of you in watching a post-2020 election seminar. at Regent that Michelle Bachman ran. So glad to be here. One quick correction. I was a former assistant attorney general over two of DOJ's litigating divisions at the Justice Department, not a chief counsel for Trump, but had a very high-ranking legal position inside the Trump administration from 2018 to 2021. I'm going to fire my producers for providing that false information, or,

might have been my book or Luke. Luke, no, you know what? Honestly, it is such a joy to talk to somebody who has been in the fight. I want to get your perspective because, I mean, so tell me again, what was your title in the, in the Trump administration, just so I'm clear on that or my audience. So I was nominated by President Trump in June of 2017 and took office after Senate confirmation as the Assistant Attorney General of the Environment and Natural Resources Division in November 1st of 2018. And then I also became the acting assistant attorney general for the Civil Division. And together, those two divisions out of seven at Maine Justice, 1,400 lawyers reported to me at the time I left the Trump administration just before the inauguration of Biden. So what is your story?

in other words, you want to talk first about your experience working, you know, as an assistant attorney general in the Trump administration. It's an amazing thing how we didn't really appreciate what we had when we had it. You know, the idea that Joe Biden has been living in the White House, he's basically a squatter, but he's been living there for three years. We're in a new world. Can you talk a little bit about what it was like? What led up to your appointment by President Trump? Sure. So look, I was very instrumental in working for the Federal Society in the area of administrative law. And so I joined the Bush administration in 2001, a month before 9-11, and then stayed there until 2005. And so when the Trump administration came around, based on my credentials, I was in a good spot to basically get promoted and run. the litigating division that I had served in for four years in the Bush administration. So I just

called up one of my friends at the White House Counsel's office at the time for Trump and said, I'd like to return to public service at the Justice Department. And he asked me what spot I wanted, and I indicated that's the spot I wanted, and that's the spot that I got. So pretty simple process. And I mean, the reason we want to have you on is because you're being persecuted. And others are our justice system we know has fallen on hard times. That's putting it mildly and graciously. It is very ugly what has happened. So what is your story? What has happened to you? Who's persecuting you? What is going on? So Eric, here's my story in a nutshell. So I raised questions about the 2020 election. And it didn't look to me like, you know, despite some public

pronouncements that there really was very much investigating going on about the 2020 election of the Justice Department. And I'll give you a quick thumbnail of that. When Bill Barr testified to the January 6th committee, he outlined three areas for potential investigation. One was that the states were changing their election law outside the process of the state legislatures, which is unconstitutional. second, that the states were ignoring their election laws in the conduct of the election. And then third was criminal fraud in connection with the 2020 election. He indicated he only looked at the third category. He did not look at the other two categories.

So there's objective confirmation even by the head of the department that the kinds of investigations that were going on were not sufficient and didn't cover all bases. So I questioned that. I wanted to see the investigative files for the criminal matters that they had looked at, and they wouldn't show them to me. And I made a particular suggestion about how to proceed via a letter. And the DOJ writes letters to state and local governments all the time. It's been questioned whether that's proper for DOJ to do. In the Biden administration, for instance, the then acting head of the Civil Rights Division sent a letter questioning the Arizona audit to

Arizona. So certainly the other side will raise questions in connection with elections by a letter if they see fit to do so. But somehow the fact that I raised that as a possibility was attacked. And attacked by folks who I thought were my friends, my colleagues inside the Trump Justice Department. They all put together a resignation pact essentially. And they told President Trump that if my suggestions were carried through on to ask the Georgia legislature to investigate the 2020 election further based on testimony they had developed in a Senate subcommittee, and if in particular I were named the acting Attorney General, that they would resign. And, you know, these kinds of resignation packs, they also existed with Fauci and Burks. They existed and led to Justice Souter getting on

the Supreme Court, instead of one. one of my mentors, Ken Starr, because Bill Barr and Judge Ludick had run a resignation pack like that before on Bush 41. This is a tried and true technique of the deep state to prevent changes that they don't like. And as a result of the positions that I took, first, the, you know, two committee, three committees of the Congress came after me. Of course, the January 6th committee, the House Oversight Committee, the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senator Durbin wound up sending an ethics complaint to the D.C. bar, and I was just tried on ethics charges that came out of that two weeks ago in a two-week trial. And then I also found myself named as one of the 19 defendants by Fannie Willis in the Fulton County, Georgia action against President

Trump and others like myself and John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani. So because you dare to ask questions about this sacred trust of our votes and whether these things are handled properly, they came after you. And what I've said over and over again is that that kind of proves that there's something wrong. In other words, if they had nothing to hide, they would never come after you. They would rejoice that we can show you exactly what happened. Let's look into it together. Just the opposite. What are the dates now? What are we talking about? Was this November or December of 2020 when this went down? So the timeframe we're talking about, Eric, is late December of 2021 through a January 3rd

Oval Office showdown meeting between other Justice Department officials myself and officials from the White House Counsel's office. And it's a very depressed time. What do you mean showdown? What do you mean showdown? What are we talking about here? So three days before January 6th, obviously, 2021. What do you mean showdown?

Showdown in terms of. of who will run the department and will the department engage in expanded investigations of the 2020 election. So Bill Barr was, I presume, against this? Bill Barr would have been against this, but he had departed the department by that time. He left in late December. So the acting attorney general right after Barr left was a man named Jeff Rosen. And then his number two was a guy named Richard Donahue. Those were my opponents essentially in this. And actually, you know, Eric, I should tell you that on the morning of January 3rd, President Trump named me the acting attorney general of the Justice Department. And these folks rebelled essentially. We wound up in this

oval office meeting. And that's when they pulled out the stunt of a resignation pact if President Trump didn't change course. And, you know, not surprisingly, because this is what happens with these resignation packs to try to stop presidents from using their power, it worked. And so I did not continue on as the acting Attorney General. Instead, they returned to power, and then they proceeded not to do anything about the 2020 election. And you know the rest is history in terms of the lead up to the January 20th generation. We're going to go to a break in a moment.

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Nutrametics.com use the code Eric for 15% off. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to Jeffrey Clark, who is the, who was the acting attorney general in the last days of the Trump administration. We're just talking about that right now. You dared Jeffrey Clark to put forth the idea that something had happened in the election we needed to investigate it. And the opponents of that idea came at you with everything they had, obviously scared

to death of an action. investigation of the fraud and corruption, which is antithetical to everything we have ever stood for in the United States of America. They came at you. Now, you describe them essentially threatening to resign on January 3rd. This is 2021. And I'm surprised on some level that Trump, did he have a failure of nerve? Did he misstep? What happened there? Well, I don't blame President Trump at all. You know, the problem is that they managed to keep a lid on doing investigations and kind of go through, I think, a kabuki dance process of purporting to do investigations, you know, until a very

late period in time, right? They're only at that point 17 days left until the inauguration. And so, you know, if they're threatening to turn this into the Saturday night massacre, you know, going back to the Nixon administration on steroids, you know, to exponential powers, then, you know, they're in a spot to make life very difficult for the president. I think that if the president does come back for a second term, I think this is one of the important lessons that he learned, that, you know, too many establishment event, uniparty types wound up at the Justice Department, and they were able to basically frustrate doing any serious investigations of the 2020 election.

President specifically asked, for instance, for me to look at the issue of whether there was signature verification in Fulton County as to the mail-in ballots. And, you know, as it's crystal clear now and really indisputable, there was no signature verification done in Fulton County whatsoever, which is a blatant violation of Georgia law. So there was plenty to question about the election, but there just weren't people who had the guts or the willingness to question it, apparently other than me. and that's why I'm the target and they all turned on me in a kind of, you know, circular firing squad to shoot me in the middle. Well, so who are the villains here? I assume Bill Barr is one of them. Well, again, Bill Barr had been in charge of the department up until January 20th, and he

specifically said that he waited until after the electoral college voted to depart. So, yes, I think that he is part of this, as was his very suspicious meeting one-on-one with an AP reporter in January saying, you know, I have not uncovered any fraud sufficient to affect the outcome of the election. And again, that was in the category only of criminal fraud. He did not look at violations of constitutional law. He did not look at violations of state law that becomes part of what governs a federal election president. Jeffrey, why do you think, Jeffrey Clark, why do you think that is? In other words, do you think that Bill Bar and others had such a deep hatred of Donald Trump that they were willing to look the other way,

if it was possible to look the other way, somehow plausibly they could get away with not looking into this? Well, you know, Eric, let me try to stick to what I can prove as opposed to what I might suspect. So what I can prove in the testimony that came out in my bar trial a couple of weeks ago was that their fear was that if President Trump and others under him investigated the election and it resulted in a potential change in outcome, that there would be, quote, unquote, riots in the streets. And obviously, we had come out of the so-called Summer of Love in 2020, where BLM and Antifa were rioting. They attacked a federal courthouse, and I was in charge of an effort about that in Portland, Oregon, night after night for a month. They were worried about that happening again.

And I think that those efforts were artificial and ginned up. And I don't think you were... Well, look, I mean, I'm sorry for interrupting, but I just have to make the state. Therefore, these people who were worried about that, they allowed mob rule and the threat of violence to determine the outcome of a presidential election. That is despicable. It's unconscionable. It's unconstitutional. It is cowardly. It is a staggering moment of moral failure on the part of those who you. use that idea, the threat of there are going to be mobs in the street. They use that as the reason that we ought not to look into this. I mean, it's an absolutely staggering failure. I'm blown away.

I'm absolutely blown away that they did that. There ought to have been riots because they didn't look into this. but I guess the side, you know, even though they want to portray Trump supporters and patriots as violent insurrectionists, the reality is that Trump supporters and patriots tend not to be the kind of people that are part of a mob. We're portrayed that way, but the fact is the opposite. It's the other side. We know this anyway. But just to hear it from your mouth, that this is.

what they gave as their excuse for doing nothing. We're going to go to a break here, but ladies and gentlemen, there is nothing more important than that our leaders understand their duty. And I want to be clear that Vice President Pence and Bill Barr and many others failed. They failed. I know that they believe they did the right thing, but they actually did the wrong thing. and really wrongly said that Trump was asking them to violate the Constitution. It's nonsense. But we'll talk more about it with Jeffrey Clark when we return. You might have heard Mike Lindell and My Pillo no longer have the support of their box stores or shopping channels the way they used to.

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I'm talking to Jeffrey Clark, former acting attorney general in the last days of the Trump administration. So this is an amazing story, Jeffrey. Thank you for sharing it. So clearly the deep state won that round. It's a horror. We have seen more and more and more evidence that the election was, in fact, stolen. It was stolen and the evidence continues to come out, particularly in Georgia recently.

Can you talk about that? Sure. Well, I'll talk about it to this extent. And first of all, I totally approve of what you were saying about how amazing it is that people were cowed by mob rule, especially when it's mob rule based on astroturfing, right? I think these groups artificially were ginned up to riot. I don't think it's just spontaneous. Like it doesn't go on for a month, you know, spontaneously.

They were supported, you know, Kamala Harris supported them in terms of getting out of jail on bail and on and on. So, you know, I think that this is an area where, you know, yes, they won this round, but we need to keep pressing, Eric. need to keep their feet to the fire. And in terms of evidence that's come out more recently, here's what they did in my bar truck. They ruled that only evidence of January 3rd and earlier was relevant. Any other evidence that came out, they excluded and said that I can't refer to. And the theory for that is, well, you could have acted improperly if you jumped the gun, right? And, you know, didn't know things that you only would learn in the future.

So therefore that's irrelevant. That doesn't make any sense because if you wanted to do an investigation, which is what I wanted to do, right, if evidence comes out later that shows that you were entirely right to want to do that investigation because new things have come out, then that's something you should be able to present in your defense, but they won't let me. They're trying to artificially constrain it to January 3rd and earlier

in order to make it more difficult for me to prevail. Look, this is evil. This is evil. These are the enemies of America, and it's horrifying. But more and more information is coming out. It's one of the reasons I want to bring you on the show. Just to hear the story from the inside, you were there when this stuff went down. So what is happening now?

They're coming after you now three plus years later. Why? Well, because I raised these questions, right? And because I have, you know, very substantial credentials. And obviously, as I noted for you at the start, served in two different administrations, right? I was picked to run two out of seven litigating divisions at the same time. I was the only assistant attorney general who did that. And so, you know, they have to try to make an example of me. And they also, I think, are trying to disperge me so that I cannot potentially return. to a second Trump administration and serve in some role. And so what am I facing? I'm facing potential disbarment of my, an end of my license in D.C. to practice law to destroy my livelihood and hurt me and my family and cow me that way. And then I'm also facing criminal jeopardy in this, you know, sprawling RICO case that Fannie Willis, who, you know, is afflicted with massive conflicts of interest, is brought against me and President Trump and others down in Atlanta.

These people are basically communists. They are the enemies of our Constitution. And we're in a war with these folks. And I just want to be clear, ladies and gentlemen, if you're not in this war somehow, if you don't care about this, you don't care about America because this is absolutely wicked. I've been a victim and continue to be a victim of this lawfare.

I don't talk about it on this program. But it's a horrifying thing that this is happening in the United States of America. But it's waking us up to where we are. And Jeffrey Clark, you know, the fact that you have to deal with this, the fact that they're so afraid of you, what are they really afraid of? They're afraid of us doing what is right, speaking the truth. They're trying to silence us. So talk about who is behind this right now. Is this the Georgia governor? Who is behind this effort to silence you? So I think it's the Democratic Party. And I think it's the Democratic Party. And I think that. think it's folks, you know, in the kind of color revolution sphere, like this guy, Norm Eisen, who ran the first Trump impeachment. And then his protege, Kristen Amarling, ran as the chief counsel of the January 6th committee. And he wrote draft prosecution memos for Fannie Willis.

He's at the Brookings Institution. You know, there's a huge lawfare effort. There's something called the 65 project to go after lawyers connected to preempties. President Trump in any capacity that David Brock is running. And then it was Senator Durbin who initiated, you know, kind of my time of troubles by sending a bar complaint to the D.C. Bar back in October of 2021. And there's evidence that has come out. We can't see the details of it, that Fannie Willis was coordinating with the White House Counsel's Office for President Biden, and also that she asked the Justice Department for permission to put on witnesses, internal DOJ witnesses against me in Fulton County, Georgia. And DOJ, according to the New York Times, denied her permission to do that.

And so we've liked to see all this correspondence and it's been locked up. We can't see it. And you have to ask the question, why is it that we can't see it? We think it's because on the Justice Department side, for instance, it will show that they won't let those officials testify because Fulton County, Georgia has no business. in trying to penetrate into and second guess what happens in the Article 2 executive branch of the U.S. federal government, which is supreme to state and local governments. And, you know, the information has been placed under seal by the judge down in Fulton County. So we know that this correspondence exists, but we can't see it. And therefore, we can't present it in my defense, which we think is

suspicious, Eric. So when is your case going to trial or where do things stand right now for you? So there is no trial for anyone in Fulton County, Georgia yet. There is an interlocutory appeal, which, as I explained to my lay people family members, means like an in-between appeal. It's before there's a final judgment going on to the Georgia Court of Appeals. Hopefully that will result in the entire case down there unraveling. But I'm still facing the DC Bar charges. So a trial has been completed against me. And within 120 days, so sort of of circa August, so it would be just around convention time, the DC Bar will, the hearing committee, it's a three-member hearing committee, they're all volunteers, two lawyers and one layperson,

which is a very strange structure. They'll make a recommendation about the fate of my law license, and then I can take appeals of that after that. No discipline kicks in until it gets to the D.C. Court of Appeals, which is the highest local court. So there's a lot of fighting still to do, but, you know, I'm in the first stage of jeopardy with my bar license. We have a final segment coming up talking to Jeffrey Clark, folks, don't go away. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to Jeffrey Clark, who was the acting attorney general in the last days of the Trump administration and is being persecuted for it. It's a badge of honor, Jeffrey Clark, that you have stood strong. what do you suppose, well, first of all, how can people help you?

Can people help you because this doesn't sound like a fun thing? It's not. Thanks, Eric. I really appreciate that. So I have a give-send-go set up at www.givesendgo.com slash Jeff Clark, which is just J-E-F-F-F-C-L-A-R-K. And the great thing about that site, you know, beyond financial support, is that you can also send prayers, which, you know, help me and help my family. I get a lot of hate email messages from fake accounts there, too.

But, you know, that shows you that we're in a war. And I think, Eric, we are in a spiritual war, as I know you talked about. And I think this is just one example of that. You know, there are bigger problems going on in society. But this one is designed to capture sort of the meta heights of the government, you know, that keep the Justice Department in uniparty and deep state hands. and keep President Trump from returning to office by blacking him up in the lead up to the 2024 election.

So I'd appreciate any help. I've been fighting a long time. I think that I've gotten some attention, but, you know, I've had to become more vocal to try to keep myself from these people who are, you know, nipping at my heels. So give and go, Jeff Clark, standard spelling, Jeff Clark. There are many people who listen to this program. I hope some of them understand that God has given them money so that they can help in causes like this. So give and go, Jeff Clark.

What do you see as the future of this nation? I mean, it seems to me that it's like Germany in the early 30s where there still was a justice system. Hitler was not some 100% Kim Jong-un-type dictator. but if you didn't fight with everything you had, it would just get worse. Every day it was getting darker in Germany. We know where it went. We seem to be on that knife edge in the United States of America right now,

where we're fighting this war and it could go either way. I think we are, Eric. I know you're a scholar of that era. And, you know, I double majored in economics and Russian history at Harvard and I studied the Soviet Union and their rise in that revolution. I've since studied the Malice Revolution. And it's not an exaggeration to say that it seems like we're on the precipice of that, right? We have these crazy student intelligentsia groups.

We have all of these left-wing NGOs that are infesting everything like the Burkings Institution and Long Island, like I mentioned. And, you know, there are a lot of officials who were tied to Maloney and explicitly from the administration. I think things that we've only gotten worse with this. my administration. Your audio has gotten a little funky there, but I just want to say that your assessment, this is exactly what I'm seeing, is that we're having, this is like communists are trying to take over the United States of America. I never thought it would be that naked. I never thought

it would be that clear that that's where we are. It's not like we're sort of there. We're heading there. That's what we're dealing with. People who have an atheistic, Marxist view of things, not an American founding constitutional view of things that we get our rights from God, they are trying with everything they have by means fair and foul, mostly foul, to subvert American democracy, to subvert the Constitution. We're in a war year on the front lines of that, and we just need to understand what we're facing. And folks, if your heart is not moved by what you've heard, maybe you need to,

listen to it again prayerfully because this is very, very serious. It's coming for you and for your kids and your grandkids. Everybody needs to get in the fight. Jeffrey Clark, just a privilege to speak with you. Thank you for all you've done and continue to do. We appreciate it.