The Eric Metaxas Show - Jeff Myers (Encore)

Episode Date: September 1, 2022

Jeff Myers of Summit Ministries shares hopeful news -- more and more people are getting active in politics. (Encore Presentation)

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you're on vacation as I purport to be right now. You can tell if you see the video that I got a sunburn, but somebody's going to come here any minute to fix the AC or to try to fix the AC. But we're way out on Long Island. Suzanne and I try to get out here once a year. And I have to tell you, yesterday, I think I said this, I saw a whale. Yes. I mean, literally just burst through the water. I was like, that's unbelievable. That's a whale. And I've never seen, you know, we've been out to this neck of the woods a million times, you know, the Hamptons, Amaganzas, this neck of the woods where you're looking out on the ocean,

but I've never seen a whale before. So really amazed me. I also saw a very curious congregation of seagulls that was, it was almost disturbing. It was like out of the birds where there's so many of them that you start beginning to one do they have some reason for congregating? Like what is, is this like a like a Boy Scout jamboree? What is happening? Why are there so many of them?

And they're quite big out here. I have to say they're huge. And we were not attacked, but it was, it was a frightening time. Yeah. And so at some point, you know, just to just to prove that I wasn't afraid, I, I ran through the mass of seagulls. And they flew. luckily I caught it on camera.

And so I'm posting that on Instagram because it was so beautiful. It really was amazing. It was like I did it with a drone, but it was just me running down the beach. So I'm going to post that. I don't know if people follow me on Instagram, but I tend not to put the more political stuff on Instagram. For example, these seagulls were all over the map politically. These were not just conservative pro-Trump seagulls.

And I thought, you know, I want to respect that. And but I posted it on Instagram and you can see it. And honestly, it was really just, it was kind of amazing, actually. Sometimes just looking at animals. I mean, whales are astonishing. But that's one of the nice things about getting away from New York City. Now, today we are airing. We don't get many whales in the Hudson.

Very few now. very few since the you know probably there were whales that have wandered up the hudson probably up and up into the 20th century or the certainly 19th century but because the hudson is vast it's so vast and it's brackish we know that it's brackish but um okay so today on today's program i want to be clear in our one we're talking to our friend jeff meyers um who is just he's a hero he's summit ministries christian worldview what does it mean to live out your faith uh In our two, we're re-earing my conversation with Jim Domen. And I have to say, folks, there are so many people out there who are struggling with their sexuality and they're getting this lie from the culture that, oh, if you're a man who's attracted to other men, even slightly ever, you need to go with that.

That's the only path for you. That's not true. There are many people that have chosen another path. Jim Domen's story is amazing. And I mean, I even would air it again because, I mean, we're airing it today. We aired it a couple weeks ago. But we need to hear these stories and we don't hear these stories. You're certainly not going to hear it on, you know, whatever TV program you're watching.

Fox News would never go there. But I'm telling you, we need to know the truth about, you know, people's lives, what they struggle with and how they find victory and how God wants to help us. These are hopeful things, but they're also true. And we need to get these stories out there. So in hour two today, amazing conversation with Jim Domain, in hour one, Jeff Myers. And actually, the other day, Albin, we aired both hours on Miracle Monday of this week. So a couple days ago with Jerome Corsi, I still cannot get over.

He wrote a book called The Shroud Codex. I don't think you can even get copies anymore. But I'm launching a publishing venture. I haven't really talked about that publicly, but I'm launching a publishing venture where I want to publish some of these books or republish some of these books because they're so valuable. They're so wonderful. And the book we spoke about on Monday about the shroud of Turin. Folks, this is crazy stuff. It's amazing, amazing, amazing stuff.

And I just want to encourage you. There's just, you know, as things kind of go crazy in one way, there's a lot of hope and a lot of exciting news in the other way. The evidence for God. I write about it in my book, obviously, is atheism dead. The evidence from science, the evidence from archaeology. And this is the evidence, you know, this is scientific evidence, the shroud of turn. The more they look at it, the more utterly incomprehensible it becomes for people who say, it cannot be the shroud of Christ.

It cannot be. Well, every day that passes, they find something more. It's really like, this is crazy stuff, right? So anyway, that was on Monday. a lot of stuff. We'll post that video. I hope today it should be up. Also want to remind you, Socrates in the city, we're selling out. This is our September 27th event in Manhattan with Andrew Claven. Andrew Claven is next level, folks, next level. Also should say food for the poor, don't want to forget. Food for the poor, today is our last day, literally. We're

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who's the president of Summit Ministries. Jeff, welcome the program. Eric, great to be with you. I listen, I, you know, people always say, like, have you read the polls or did you read the studies? Or did you read any of that stuff? But when I, when I hear something like this, I say that confirms exactly what I have been saying and hoping and praying for. That things have to get very, very bad to wake up some people to make them understand, you better step up now.

You've had your eye off the ball. You better get involved. But according to this, nearly 30% of Americans are getting more active in civics and politics than they were two years ago. That is an amazingly good piece of information. That's just amazing news right there. Well, the word is getting out, Eric, and you talk about this on your program all of the time. We've got to stay in. We've got to get involved.

We've got to stay involved. You can't just vote in national elections. You've got to vote in school board elections. You can't just sit at home. You've got to go to meetings. You've got to join things. You've got to find people you can partner with in other areas. So that's what we found in the poll. Now, I should clarify, some of ministries is not a polling organization. We focus on equipping and supporting the rising generation to embrace a biblical worldview. But we've got to understand the pulse of the culture. That's why we're doing the polling. We worked with the McLaughlin group, which is very well-respons. and we're finding some fascinating things, also some warning signs too. I hope we get a chance to talk about that. Well, I mean, I want to talk about everything because I think, listen, we're living at a time when a lot of Christians somehow bought this lie that our faith is supposed to be divorced from our politics or politics are supposed to be divorced from our faith. And I think to myself, wait a minute, wait a minute, you're not supposed to make an idol of politics. Chuck Colson said, you know, Jesus is not returning on Air Force One. I got it. On the other hand,

we are supposed to live our faith out in every single sphere of our lives. And if you let somebody tell you like, oh, don't be political, don't get you think, wait a second, I'm supposed to bring my faith and the values of my faith everywhere as a blessing. And if I don't do that, who would want me not to do that? Well, in Wilberforce's Day, the slave traders and the pro-slave trade factions in politics that you're being political, why are you bringing your faith into politics? There are always people who are going to say, don't be political, but God says to us, be everything. And if that means sometimes being political, you better be political. I'm depending on you. You are my people.

And you have to represent me out there. And I know that sometimes things have to get really bad before people. people will wake up and say, oh, maybe I better do something. There are a lot of people who say, don't get involved in politics because they represent interests of people whose interests would be harmed if Christians did get involved in politics. There are some good-hearted people who just say, you know, Christians should not be involved in things like that, and they're consistent. They don't want Christians to be police officers.

They don't want Christians to serve in the military. It's a very small group overall of Christians. but in America, and I assume most of the audience we're talking to you right now would be made up of Americans. But in this country, Abraham Lincoln said we have government of the people, by the people, and for the people. So how are you going to obey your authorities? Romans chapter 13, you have to be involved. Otherwise, you're disobeying God. Now that's a huge piece, Jeff.

What you just said there, right? I read, I have a book coming out called Letter to the American Church, where I try to break down, how is it that so many, the church got confused on this and have really been misapplying Romans 13 and misunderstanding it. Because many leaders, many Christian leaders are misapplying it and misunderstanding it, just as they did in the 30s, which led to the satanic nightmare of the Holocaust and of what Hitler was able to do, because believers misunderstood the scriptural mandate. It's a horrifying thing when the church messes up. and when we kind of buy the lies of the world and we say, well, I'm not going to be involved in this because God is looking to us to be involved in this. If you care about the poor, if you care about the marginalized, you better get involved in all this stuff.

And you better speak up against those who are doing things that, whether they know it or not, are harming those people. So this is something that it's almost like things had to get this bad for people to wake up. But, I mean, this statistic, almost 30% of Americans getting more involved, I think, wow, this is just good news. And I hope that number increases. I do, too. There are a handful of people who are getting less involved. And then, you know, 30%, a third of Americans say they're more involved than two years ago. One of the things I learned from you, Eric, years ago, is that the church should serve as the conscience of the nation.

And I think that's what we are hopefully starting to see happen here, is that Christians are starting to wake up. But a lot of people are waking up. Progressives are becoming more involved. These involvement numbers are across the board. It's like everybody is amped up right now, almost like they're preparing for a pitched battle to make sure their viewpoint wins. So there's not time to let off the gas to represent what you understand about God's nature and character and how to bring that into. the public sphere. Well, and there's a lot of reasons that people of faith are not involved. One of them, which I talk about a little bit of my new book, is they basically fall into the pietist fallacy. I don't

think I use that term, but it's pietistic to say, I'm worried about me and my holiness, more than I'm worried about what's going on out there. So if the Gestapo comes to the door in the 19th and says, are you hiding a Jew? Rather than worry about the Jew who will be taken and murdered, they will say, well, I don't want to lie. The scripture says, don't lie. So yes, yes, I'm hiding a Jew. Please come get the Jew, torture and kill the Jew.

What do we think God thinks of that? If you're pietistic and you're obsessed with your own salvation more than you are with what God's heart is about, then you've missed it. You've made a false choice. And I think that a lot of people in America said, well, I can't vote for that. candidate because he said this or he didn't you think folks you have to look at the big picture we the people

we are the government there's no government we are the government and if you are not acting if you do not behave as a free citizen and get involved you are turning over what god has given you to do to someone else who is not going to reflect your values and you will be held responsible for that i mean silence in the face of evil is itself evil. There's no, there's no safe path. You have to try. You have to get involved. And so I really think that a lot of people are waking up. But Jeff, things had to get so bad. I mean, things are falling apart at levels that most of us couldn't even believe that in, in no time, everywhere you look, you see disaster, absolute disaster. I mean, it feels like judgment, frankly. Well, you think, try to take a chess analogy. Let's say you're playing.

chess and you think, I'm doing really well because I've got all my ponds left, but all your rooks have been captured, your knights have been captured, your bishops have been captured, right? And that's sort of where we are. The media has been captured. The popular culture has been captured. Governmental institutions have been captured. And while conservatives, I would say traditional values people, what I think of as common sense people in America, about two-thirds of the population, while these people are more like

to vote, they're significantly less likely to be involved in other ways. So you can vote all you want, but if nobody ever runs for school board who has strong values, where will you ultimately go? If in your corporation you decide I'm going to share my faith with somebody else, well, great. Well, the entire HR department has been taken over by people whose values are exactly the opposite of yours. So we have to do the daily work of getting involved in all of these things. otherwise Christians are going to pay the price for 100 years of non-involvement.

And you mentioned Nazi Germany as an example. America has this unique, we have this new unique place. We have a unique opportunity. Nothing like this has existed in the history of humanity where everyday people can intentionally involve themselves and actually make a difference. Why would we miss that opportunity? Well, and I have to say a lot of good people have made terrible mistakes. These are people that I would consider my friends, and they have oftentimes,

said that, well, I don't want people going to think, you know, I am vulgar if I vote for that candidate or that candidate. Folks, if you do not understand, I mean, JFK brought prostitutes into the White House. Let's just start with JFK. We have tremendously fallen leaders. We're voting for people to represent us. If you think you can vote for someone and be pure in whomever you vote for, you're playing a game and you're more worried about dirtying your hands than about the people who are going to be affected by the policies of the people for whom you vote. We have innumerable unborn children will not be killed because Donald Trump had the courage to push through Kavanaugh's nomination when innumerable other Republicans would have never had that courage. We're responsible for whom we vote.

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Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to my friend Dr. Jeff Myers, the president of Summit Ministries. And we're talking about Christians being involved in the culture, in politics, and how a lot of us have, good people have, have messed up. I always think of in the 30s, when we always look back to Bonhoeffer's time, Martin Niemuller, one of the heroes, he got this wrong. Let's be clear, folks, he was one of the heroes. He got this wrong. And the moment he realized that he'd gotten it wrong,

that he should have spoken against Hitler, he should have been clear, it was too late. Hitler had him arrested. He was put in concentration camps for eight years. He survived, but he wrote a very famous poem, basically you've heard of it where he says when they came for the such and such a group, when those people got canceled,

I kept my mouth shut because, you know, I was not part of that group. I wanted to be able to keep talking. So I kept my mouth shut. Then they came for that group. I kept my mouth shut. We're living through the same thing today. It doesn't matter what your position is

on a lot of these things. But when people are being canceled, when they're demonizing people for gathering at the Capitol on January, making them seem out to be monsters. I've got to say, if you don't speak up about that, folks, I just want to know, like, when somebody comes after you, when you're misrepresented, who will be there to speak up for you?

We've got to be courageous. We've got to be bold. We've got to care about these things, and we're living through tough times. But I always think of Martin Neemuller. This was a great man who got this wrong. So if you're getting this wrong, don't feel bad. Just get it right. But don't say, well, I've got to.

I've got to double down on it because Martin Neemuller, he learned the hard way. And I just, I always think of him because this is one of these heroes who got it wrong. But eventually he saw that he had to speak out and he paid a price, as we often do. Eric, I would encourage people to come to Summit.org and go to the press room to see the different polls that we've done over the last several months and how they all fit together because they verify the exact point you're making. On one poll, we ask people, what do you think about this? and two-thirds of the people in the country expressed a traditional values, common-sense perspective. Then we asked them, do you talk about it? And half of those people said, no, I don't say anything so it's not to offend anyone.

So you have two forces operating in America right now. Five to eight percent of the people in this country are far left. They are jerks. They cut people out of their lives when they don't agree with them. They stand against everything America stands for, five to eight percent. But a third of the people in the country, Eric, are good people who have common sense values and just don't say anything. The problem is not just the 5 to 8%. It's the one third who are silent in the face of evil.

And I don't want to think of myself as an evil person when I'm being silent. I want to think of myself as a gracious, kind, tolerant, pluralistic person. But the truth is, when things are going wrong, not saying something is to purpose. participate in the wrongness. I mean, I have to say that, you know, I didn't mean to bring up my book so much, but because it's coming out any day, it's called Letter to the American Church. And the one, there's a chapter in that book called 12,000 pastors, and it exactly is what you just said. In Germany in the early 30s, there were 18,000 Protestant pastors in Germany. Six thousand of them signed the Barman Declaration. They stood heroically initially, because they

saw the church was being taken over by the government. And we can see this today. We have globalist atheist forces, communist forces, cultural Marxist forces. They're all related, trying to silence the church, trying to destroy the church. So this was happening in Germany. Of course, in those days, it was the Nazis. But you had 6,000 initially say, whoa, we better sign the Berman Declaration. We've got to stand against this. So a third of them signed it. Within two years, the persecution that the Nazis brought to bear. We're going to cancel you. We're going to crush you. We're going to put you in jail. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. A lot of the horrifying stuff that we're seeing today with our own, whether it's the FBI, the kind of stuff that we've never

dream of. That went on in Germany so much so that by 1935, half of that initial 6,000, they just, They said, we'll play ball, we'll shut up, we're sorry, we're sorry. So I write about this. I say that you have 18,000 pastors. Now you've just got 3,000 willing to stand strong. At the other side, there were 3,000 who were 100% pro-Hitler, and they would just love to crush the church and shut them up and so on and so forth. But here's the key.

In the middle, just what you said, well, there were 12,000 pastors who said, we're just going to sit this one out. We're going to see which way the wind blows. We don't want to get canceled. We don't want to get put in a concentration camp. We don't want to lose our jobs. We don't want to offend people in our congregation. So we're just going to, quote, unquote, preach the gospel.

And you say, what gospel are you preaching if you're keeping your mouth shut on all of these issues, which are inevitably biblical issues? So the question comes to us. Who are you worried about folks? Are you worried about virtue signaling to your neighbor or to somebody in your congregation? or are you more worried about what God thinks of you? Because God has your back. If you honor him, he will honor you. And a lot of those people you think you're going to offend,

a lot of them eventually going to come around and go, you know what? Thank you for saying that. Because at the time, I was, you know, I wasn't there. I just never thought that I'd be talking to, you know, my friend Jeff Meyer, as president of Summit Ministries, about where we are today and comparing it realistically to where Germany was in the 30s. But it just couldn't be clearer.

and it's an astonishing thing. I know we have another segment with you, Jeff. But folks, this is important. Please visit Summit Ministries. They are an invaluable, wonderful, wonderful resource. What's the website? Summit.org. What could be simpler?

Summit.org. Go to summit.org, and we'll be right back with the president of Summit, Dr. Jeff Myers. Welcome back, folks, talking to Dr. Jeff Myers president of Summit Ministriesummit.org. Jeff, what happened do you think that, I mean, you guys are always talking about Christian worldview. I've been talking about that since the day that I met Chuck Colson. But where do you think we went wrong in the sense that a lot of people, they keep talking about Christian worldview, but sometimes when it pinch is funny, they suddenly say, well, that doesn't affect my Christian worldview. I'm just going to stick on these things.

So it's almost like it does become silence in the face of evil because you think, well, I'll talk about the unborn. I'll talk about this. But I don't want to talk about those things. And you almost feel like, well, those things are the, those, that's where the battle is raging right now. But maybe you'll offend some people if you talk about those things. So you'll stick to the stuff that you feel is safer. How do we think you can have a Christian worldview without kind of doing that triage?

Well, I think, I think people have got. to the place where they think that they've sort of lost the plot. Now, if you go to church and a lot of Bible-believing churches teach verse by verse, chapter-by-chapter through scripture, so people become very familiar with it. But again, if people are only going to church once or twice a month, you look at that over the course of the year, there's no way they're going to get the whole plot. You could go to church for 20 years, and you'll never get the plot of what scripture is all about and what a biblical worldview even is. Our studies, and George Barnas have found the same,

that 19% of church-going, self-identified Christians, have a biblical worldview. So you're sitting in a pew at 10 people, eight of them have no idea of what is going on there or what the Bible even teaches, or how you would even figure out what the Bible teaches about a given issue. And pastors don't have that problem.

Usually, 94% of pastors say they believe the Bible speaks to today's issues, but when they're asked, which of these have you ever addressed from the pulpit, the percentage goes from 94% to 9%? Only 9% of pastors have ever tried to apply scripture to today's issues with their congregation. Two-thirds of the people in the congregation want them to do it. That's what the research is found. Why don't the pastors do it? Because that one-third that doesn't want it is really noisy, really angry, and really difficult to deal with. Well, I mean, I think about things like critical race theory. I mean, this is a Marxist worldview. Everybody, anybody who's a Christian, should already know racism is wrong. Where do you even get that idea out of the scripture? That's where

we got the idea. All the abolitionists, they got it from the scripture. They led that battle. But I think sometimes it's just white guilt. People are like, well, I, you know, who am I to bring this up? And you think, who are you? You are a leader and you're obliged. to try to work this out because there are people trying to live their lives and they're getting confused messages. You know, when you talk about CRT or you talk about anything having to do with critical race theory, it's basically a Marxist, atheist worldview. And you have to deal with the issue of communism. You have to issue with socialism. Billy Graham, the greatest evangelist who's ever lived in modern times, he was not afraid to rail against communism because he understood it hurts people, it destroys.

freedom. It destroys the ability to preach the gospel. He wasn't afraid, but you have a lot of American pastors today who kind of act like, well, that's, that's, you know, people can differ on these issues. And you think, not really. You're, you're, you're allowing your sheep to drift along with the culture. And by the way, it's going to harm people. And, and, and so we have to speak up on these things, folks. We, we, we, we have to be bold. race is a powerful example of what we're talking about right now eric because the biblical perspective is that every human being bears god's image racial unity is the goal and i remember confronting some time ago some crt advocates saying is what are you doing that's going to bring about racial unity and they just

stared at me eric all of a sudden i realized they don't want racial unity they want racial division That's the Marxist perspective. Don't bring people together because then we can't have a revolution. We want people fighting with one another. That's what's going to bring about the revolution. And so until Christians wise up and think, we're the only ones who have a biblical message of redemption and of unity and of people working together in the educational space, Eric,

every single study that's ever been done on how you help students of different racial backgrounds be together in the same school is you have them work together on problem solving in projects together side by side, where they have mutual goals. You don't try to help them divide themselves out, making one feel guilty, making the other feel superior. That's counterproductive. We all know this.

So it's just, it's crazy that the Bible has all these solutions. They're just there on the tray waiting for us to deliver them to our culture, and we don't want to do it. And not only is it counterproductive, not only does it lead, to more racial division, but ironically, it's unbiblical. I mean, this idea of trying to make a group feel guilty, that is anti-biblical folks. If it was biblical, I'd be all for it. But there are a lot of people because they don't know the scripture, they kind of buy into that. And even people who do know the scriptures, we can all make these mistakes. Tim Keller, whom I revere, said, oh, we should

read everything we get our hands on about critical race theory. And that's like saying you should look at all the pornography you can, just so you understand where those people are coming from it's like no no that's bad advice you need to know that some of this stuff is really pernicious and you don't need to spend your time because what you do is you're in a sense opening a door to say well maybe they have something to teach us and well maybe they do but maybe they're leading millions astray which is which is very frightening so i think that there i think jeff there are pastors that are slowly waking up to this and realizing we didn't know where this was headed So I think there's a lot of Martin Nemelers out there who are slowly seeing what is happening.

And maybe privately, they're coming to their senses and they're understanding they have to speak out. But the poll that you have here, it just gives me hope. I was thrilled when I read this. Yeah, yeah, me too. Well, I think there's so much here. And pastors are starting to get it. And at Summit Ministries, we're going to be able to help. So you come to Summit.org.

For instance, we have a brand new free small group course to help people in your church get a biblical worldview called Now We Live. Comes out in September, and this course will be just, you can use it with all of your small groups. There's a free task that people can take to see where they are in their worldview. And it's featuring Kurt Cameron, who's an actor, Lee Strobel, who's a Christian apologist, Elisa Childers, and lots of other authorities who help people real, oh, this is what a biblical worldview is. this is how you develop, this is how you apply scripture. We can do this. This is not an impossible goal. In fact, we could do it in a month and a half if we were really thoughtful about it.

I'm just so grateful for you and for Summit Ministries. Folks, please go to summit.org. Summit.org. Dr. Jeff Myers, thank you. And God bless you, my friend. Thanks, Eric. But before he left, he went and named me Sue. Well, he must have thought that it was quite a joke.

Got a lot of laughs from a lots of folks. Hey there, folks. Welcome back. I'm excited right now. You know that on this program, we're doing a fundraiser for food for the poor. But I said, you know, I want to bring somebody on who's part of the Salem Radio Network, who's part of the brass. My friend Tom Trat up, he's the vice president of News and Talk programming. But Tom, you have a relationship with food for the poor.

understand why I'm going out on a limb and asking my listeners to reach into their pockets for God's purposes. So I wanted you to help us understand it in a way that I can't really myself communicate successfully. So what do you know about this that I wouldn't know? Well, first off, thank you for having me on the show. I'm here in the I'm in the Fortress of Metaxus. We've got the Mike Flag. We've got the travel bag. You know, we're here pushing the Eric Mattaxas show every time we get. Now, by the way, if you go to Metaxistalk.com, ladies and gentlemen, you have access to all this swag, all this incredible product. If you go to Metaxistock.com, you'll see it.

But we want you to go to Metaxistock.com, at least today in part, to click on the banner to help people who are suffering. That's right. Because of evil men around the world. suffering. And if you go to MetaxistalksTalk.com, you'll click on the banner. But go ahead, Tom, Trot up, and tell us more. Well, thank you, Eric. You know, Food for the Poor is a nonprofit organization. They're based in Coconut Creek, Florida. We've worked with them for over a dozen years, and they helped the poorest of the poor in 17 nations here in the Western Hemisphere. And I've traveled with them to Guatemala, to Haiti, to a number of other countries.

with them and actually seen their work on the ground. They're absolutely the best in the business. Their overhead is the smallest in the business. So every dollar you give really goes directly to help the poor. We've expanded because of the war in Ukraine. And regardless of what people think, and I've heard the debates back and forth, some of our talk show hosts when we started the campaign, we're like, why do I want to get any money for people that are refugees in Ukraine when we're paying $7, a gallon for gas here in California. Well, it's true. America's got problems and we all have to pay the light bill and we all have, you know, personal issues. But when you think about the children who have been displaced, there are over 500,000 Ukrainian children who've been separated from their

parents. Usually the dad had to stay behind in order to fight in the war. So they were just with their mom, but now they've been separated from their moms. And if you had a 12-year-old child, either your child or your grandchild, and they were alone in a scary place, a bomb shelter, or in a foreign country where somebody's, you know, playing host to them, you would want people, just like the men and women listening to the Eric Metaxis show and watching you right now to open up your hearts and your wallets and help. And the fact is that because of food for the poor's donations, they already have a ton of food donated through themselves and their ministry partners.

$1, $1 delivers four meals to refugees in Ukraine. $2 delivers eight. You know, you do the math. You can figure it out. A $10 or $20 contribution, $100,000 would be fabulous. Thank you very much. But we're here simply to ask you to think a little bit outside yourself, so many things going on in the world that are scary and crazy like the Mar-a-Lago raid that you've been talking about, Eric.

I know it's a tough time for a lot of people in this economy, but we are asking you to maybe dig deep, think a little bit outside yourself. We've all done it. I've been on trips with food for the poor. And as I said, seeing them up close and personal. When you call Eric's number, which is 844-863-473, or to make it easier, it's 844-863, hope, because you're giving hope to these children overseas. You're really, being the hands and feet of Jesus, as we're called to. Eric was wise to mention that. We're called to help the poorest of the poor, and there's nobody who does it better than food for the poor.