The Eric Metaxas Show - Jeff Younger and AJ Hurley

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Eric met with Jeff Younger and AJ Hurley at NRB

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You know, as everyone was asleep, I had a later flight. And as I looked in the window, it was kind of like night before. Christmas, except my dog was eating a piece of pizza that had been left out, and he had jumped on the table and taken it to the floor. So that's what I came home to. I'm very sorry to hear that. Okay, I came home to a loving wife and zero dogs or children, which is sad. Okay, but so look, we've got a lot to cover here. We've got a lot to cover here. Today, two hours, folks. In hour one, I'm telling you, in hour one today, we have two absolutely harrowing stories. Two different guests. The first one is Jeff Younger. Wait till you hear his story.

And then after Jeff Younger, we have on another guest, our friend from the White Rose Resistance, A.J. Hurley, he has a harrowing story of his own. So if this is hour one, prepare yourself for two very, very important guests, very, very important stories. In our two today, it's the lighter side the Eric Metaxos show. We're going to be playing my whole interview with Zach Levi. Zachary Levi, he's a big deal. He's in all kinds of stuff. He's like this big Hollywood guy, but I'm too old to care. But I have to say, I really liked him. So we're going to play both of the segments I did with him. I think yesterday we played one of the segments, but I said today, let's play both of the segments. And then today we're going to play, we're going to re-air a segment

I did with John Irwin last night and of course tonight and every night, you can go to Amazon Prime and watch the House of David. This is a big deal. It's about the life of David. That's all I'll say for now, but I want to say it's a very big deal. It's a big deal. So we got a lot coming up. I've got to mention a bunch of other things. I want to talk about Pam Bondi and the Epstein list. I want to talk about Gene Hackman. I want to talk about our friends at the Herzog Foundation. Actually, I can do that a little bit later because we're going to run out of time here. Now, Chris, you and I yesterday were in Dallas, and we played part of this yesterday in the show.

If you missed it, we're going to play this sometime next week. but a friend of ours, Tim Mahoney has made a film about Michael Medved's book. It's the American Miracle. It's an amazing book. Amazing. I recommend it highly.

And they've made a film. And in the film, they have to have, you know, a character playing the role of George Washington. And they got a guy, I don't even know his real name, who I think he used to do this at Mount Vernon. now he does it at other places,

but he plays the role of General Washington, and he's so familiar with Washington that it's, take it from me, it's kind of freaky. Yeah, he's done his homework. Yeah, it's like one of those things where the actors in Hollywood, they do the background.

Like, what's my background story, even though it doesn't... Oh, no, no, no. That's times 1,000. Yeah. This guy is George Washington. And next week, we're going to play a conversation I had with...

it might as well have been George Washington. You'll see what I'm talking about. It's totally freaky, but we should get some of these photos up. It was, I don't know what to say, because I'm writing a book on the American Revolution. And by the way, pray for me on that because I want it to be everything it can be. And the American Revolution is one of the greatest events in the history of the world. That's not even an exaggeration on any level. But talking to this guy who is so much like Washington, who knows Washington.

It was just amazing. Okay, in the news, first of all, Pam Bondi said, oh, yeah, we're going to release the Epstein stuff. And some of you followed it yesterday. They sort of didn't. They released whatever they got, but what they got was Bubkis. And so it seems obvious, and they should have known this, and I guess they did, that there are many very, very dirty cops in the FBI. Bums, scum, corrupt people who do not care about you. They don't care about the dignity of the FBI.

They're corrupt. And I think the New York Southern District is at the top of the list of corruption in the FBI. So they didn't turn over what they're supposed to turn over. Because in case I didn't mention it, and I always should mention it, they're corrupt. So Pam Bondi said if it's not on our desk at 8 a.m. today. Now, we're well into the day. I haven't heard any news. But this is really nasty stuff.

And so this is what the Trump administration and we the people have to deal with going forward, is that there are people that are not interested in doing what they're told, in doing what is right by the American people. They're interested in doing whatever they feel like doing. They probably have already destroyed all kinds of stuff. So it's so wicked. So I want to say, number one, pray for this nation, folks. every day, pray that gods will be done in America as it is in heaven. It is very, very important.

And so we're going to see what's going to happen with that. Maybe by the time this airs today, by the time you hear this, you'll have heard something. But this goes to, you know, Johns Merrick has talked about this on the program. After we won World War II, there were Japanese soldiers on islands throughout the Pacific who refused to give up. this was going like into the 1960s. Like literally they were there still fighting the war. Even though Trump won, even though blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There are a lot of these people in the deep state.

They don't care. So we have to root them out like terrorists hiding in spider holes. We have to get them out. We have to fire them. In many cases, I hope we have to prosecute them because what they're doing, you know, I don't need to say anymore. So that's crazy. I want to mention today, Chris, I guess President Trump is meeting with Zelensky.

Yeah, apparently they're expected to reach an economic agreement, which is sort of the step right before the final step of a peace agreement. I'm pretty sure he's going to make Zelensky governor of the 51st state of Canada. He's going to put him in the place of Trudeau. I believe that's what happened today. That is some 24D chess right there. I did not. Yeah. It's getting very, very complicated.

And he's going to swap Greenland and Ukraine just to confuse people. So Ukraine will be the name of what Greenland is now. And Ukraine, which borders Russia, will be called Greenland. So it's going to get very complicated. I want you to stay tuned and stay tuned to the space because we're going to update you on all this. Okay. Also, a little more seriously, one of the greatest actors ever, Gene Hackman passed away at age 95. very mysterious, not that a 95-year-old would die,

but that his 64-year-old wife was also found dead. And if that's not weird enough, their dog was found dead. So nobody knows what's going on. But I like to focus on Gene Hackman as an actor. I cannot think of anybody who has done a more amazing range. He has been in three of the best films I've ever seen off the top of my head. One is the French connection. If you haven't seen that film, oh my goodness, one of the greatest films ever made,

Tony Lobionco, who stars in that film and who just passed away last year, was a friend of mine. I can't believe I got to be friends with Tony Lobionco who appears in the French connection. But it's a tremendous film. Also, one of the greatest films ever made is... young Frankenstein. He has an insane role in young Frankenstein. And if that's not enough, he's in the Royal Tenen Bounds. That might be his funniest role ever. I probably saw Gene Hackman the first time when I saw the Poseidon adventure in 1972. He's just, you know, he was everywhere. You talk about a humble guy who's not like beating his chest, what a great actor I am. He just was

an absolutely spectacular actor. But just those films, Royal Tenenbaum, which to me, Wes Anderson's one of it. He made like four or five great films. That's one of them. The rest, I don't love. But Young Frankenstein, for sure, one of the greatest films ever made.

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Howdy, it's glad to be here. It's almost unbelievable, frankly, your story, so I'll let you tell it reasonably quickly since we don't have a ton of time, but please do. Well, you know, I was married. I had two children. I named my sons after the brothers of Jesus, James and Jude. My wife at the time, when my son was two years old, started transitioning my son to a girl when I stopped that.

How many years ago is this? That's 10 years ago. I just have to ask, because when you hear stuff like this, it's so insane. What does that mean? How does somebody get it in her head, in this case, that your son, you know, because you got a lot of people thinking, oh, I wish I had a girl. I wish I had a little boy, but they don't. Right. But it's rare that people could act on that in some kind of bizarre way.

Right. What do you suppose would have given her 10 years ago the idea that she should do this? There's three answers to that question. One is the one she swore to in court. She's a pediatrician. So she was right as a medical doctor. Correct. Right at the beginning of the transgender stuff in the pediatrics.

She testified in court that my. son saw a silver purse with a unicorn and asked her to buy it for him. And then a few days later, he asked for a girl's toy and a McDonald's happy meal, and she thought he might be a girl. The other answer is the one that my lawyers have all told me. They don't actually believe she thinks he's transgendered. She just used it as a mechanism to get sole control of the children. And the other answer is a larger answer that there's been a radical redefinition in our society away from the notion of the Christian person. And our adversaries, secular adversaries,

don't think about a human being at all in the same way we do. It's so different that we almost can't communicate about what a human person is. Well, there's no doubt that that's at the heart of it. That there are people who, their war against God manifests itself in their war against human beings and humanity itself. And of course that Satan's war against God.

He's at war with we who... He hates us the most. ...are made in God's image. And so that's at the heart of this. But the idea that we're now living at a time when your wife, for example, a pediatrician, a doctor could buy this lunacy and want to act on it. So where do things stand right now? Your son is 12.

Yeah. So what happened was eventually the school. transition my son behind my back. I'd take him to school in boys' clothes. I'd give him a dress and make him use the girls' restroom. It turns out that's legal in all 50 states. Where is the school? It's in Capell, Texas.

The Capelle Independent School District in Texas. Now, where's Capelle near? It's a suburb in northern Dallas. Okay, so it's the Dallas area. Yeah, it's about 20 minutes from here. So ladies and gentlemen, are you listening? In Dallas, Texas. This is not San Francisco.

In Dallas, they're doing. doing this stuff to kids against the parents' will. This is evil. It's amazing to me that they can even get away with this, but of course, that's what's happening. It's hard to believe that there's so many teachers that are insane that they would go along with this as well. You honestly can't get through a teacher education program

unless you sign documents that you agree with the transgender ideology. They won't even let you take classes unless you agree to it. I know because I left a math education program, a master's program, for this very reason. I couldn't sign the documents. And this is in Texas. Yes. Does Governor Abbott give a damn? Well, I'll tell you this.

I'm the guy that got the law passed in Texas that outlawed these procedures. I spent 160 grand on my own money, and I had to mobilize probably more grassroots activities than the history of Texas legislative action just by quantitative numbers. I mean, at one point, we had 300 lobbyists a day hitting the Speaker of the House in Texas. It took me six years in three legislative sessions to get it passed. I've got no help from anybody. It's just if you want to know how the country can go to hell, just ask yourself, how can Texas go to hell? I mean, that's hard to take in. It's hard to take in.

AG Ken Paxton is really, and the Agriculture Commissioner, are really the only ones who really stood up for my son. Well, Ken Paxton, Attorney General Ken Paxton, is a hero. He's amazing. And I thank God for him. Yeah, I know him. I've had the privilege getting to know him. So where do things stand now? Are you divorced from this pediatrician? Yeah, we're divorced. And what happened was the courts completely sided with her. And that's the pattern in America right now. All the family courts are siding with this parent that wants to trans the kid. So when I got the law passed in Texas to outlaw these procedures, and I did that to protect my son, they allowed her to move to California.

I went up to the Texas Supreme Court to challenge that, saying it would remove the protections of Texas law from my son. And the supposedly conservative Texas Supreme Court led her move to California. I went through a trial there in late November, and my son was chemically castrated in December. but I had been in contact with the Trump staff and helped them understand my case so they could draft that executive order which banned federal reimbursements for these procedures and I'm hoping that will delay this stuff from my son.

I'm doing this all just to protect my son, you know. Now, your son, of course, is only 12. Does he have any clear opinion on this? I guess it sounds like he has been fooled into thinking that he's not a boy. Yeah, I mean, if your audience goes out to YouTube, you can search for a video, just search for Mommy, says I'm a girl.

It was at three years old when my son's telling me that his mom's teaching him he's a girl and he believes it. What I did with my son when I had custody of him, as I just showed him how great it was to be a man. You know, we go to the boxing gym, we go hunting, we do all the stuff that men and boys do. And he rejected a female identity. He told the court-appointed counselor he didn't want to be a girl, and he was embarrassed wearing dresses.

She threw him out of the office and initiated the seventh CPS investigation against me for trying to raise my son as a boy. They said I was forcing my son to say he wanted to be a boy, and that's when I lost all my parental rights. All right, so this kind of underscores some of the things that I've been saying over the years. There are many Christians in this country who don't vote or who don't think they should be political. and I want to say to them, shame on you, shame on you, because you're responsible for this and every other evil that we're going through in the nation right now. That's right. I wrote a book about Nazi Germany, my Bonhofer book. I love that book.

Thank you. What went on in Germany, in some ways, is no different than the horrors you're describing. These are unbelievable, unthinkable horrors. And we say, well, that could happen in Nazi Germany, but that would never happen. happen here. It's happening here. And it's because of the silence of the American church. There are many people listening right now who go to churches that couldn't care less about politics, about any of this stuff. They couldn't care less. They're responsible for this. I want to make that very, very clear. We have a voice in this country. If you don't use your voice, you're responsible.

You don't, just let me ask something. Because you're about one of the only people that talks about this. God appoints the sovereigns of the nations. And in the American, in the American, American system, the people are the sovereign. So God appointed us to make our civil laws conform to God's laws. And if we don't do that, we will be punished. So your wife is still pushing this forward to try to have your son transition. She's utterly, utterly dedicated to it. Like, it's become a thing.

This is, let's call it what it is, folks. This is child abuse. This is child abuse. This is really, really serious. sick. And it's a funny thing because I believe in parental rights. But if a parent is beating or horribly abusing their child, that's when the government should step in to protect the child in rare cases. This is one of those cases. And ironically, the government is protecting the evil and protecting the evil parent, not protecting the child. You know, you talked about Ken Paxton.

he did an attorney general opinion where he looked at both federal law and Texas law. It's the longest opinion ever issued by the Attorney General's office in Texas, and it finds that these procedures are prima facie child abuse because it has always been illegal. Even go all the way back to ancient England, it's always been illegal to sterilize children because procreation is a fundamental liberty interest. So these procedures are prima facie child abuse, and what's so fascinating, about this is we pass these bills against female genital

mutilation and then we turn around and do it to kids. It's totally inconsistent. Is your other child with your ex-wife? Yes. Yes. It's painful to think

that you have to go through this. What is the website where people can find out more? Savejames.org is where all the updates are posted. You can also find me on X at Jeff Younger's show. don't actually have a show. I felt like my life would become the Truman show because it'd become so public. Jeff Younger Show. Yeah. On X. On X. And then savejames.org is where we post case updates. Savejames.org. It's a privilege, Jeff Younger. Thank you. To speak with you, folks. The website is

savejames.org. And folks, pray for the situation. Pray for Jeff Younger in this case. Please. Thank you. So we've been talking here with Jeff Younger. It's just a deeply disturbing story. And the website is savejames.org. And you can follow him on Jeff Younger show at an X. But you were saying that Christians don't seem to want to get involved. No. You know, I spent six years lobbying for, to me, this is the most morally obvious questions in slavery.

You cannot sterilize children and sexually mutilate them. So I didn't expect any resistance, but it took me three legislative sessions in Texas to get these bills passed, and I really had to force them. We didn't have one single Christian pastor come testify to the state Senate for us. We couldn't get anyone to show up. The other side, the pro-trans side, had 74 pastors show up on their side. In fact, the entire testimony was from pastors and, and, and, you know, trans people and we couldn't get one pastor to come. And this is, wait, this is in Texas.

In Texas. I went and visited the boards of some of the largest churches in Dallas. Can you name some names? I would rather not, if that's okay. Why? I'm just curious, why? Because I think that they are going to change their ways. I think they are doing some things now. But one was First Baptist, Dallas.

And I asked them, why are you not showing up? And they all said the same thing. All the churches that I talked to said pretty much the same thing in different ways. We don't want to be political. The IRS could come down on us with this. It's the same answer, which is BS. Well, it sounds like they're whores.

Yes. So I just told them, okay, would you please, why don't you just pay your taxes? I can't even believe you. I can't believe you're even telling me this, that these are Texas churches. Yes. That said this to you. Correct. That we're afraid the IRS is going to come down on us.

Yes. So you and your kid can go to hell as far as we're concerned. Yeah. Honestly, they're afraid of this. No, this is, this is, it's much worse than I thought hearing you say this. It's much worse than I thought. I don't understand how it's possible for actual Christians because we're talking about actual Christians. We're not talking about fake mainline, you know, pseudo Christians that they would not understand they have an obligation

before God. It's an obligation before God to stand against evil. And of course I've written about this. I've spoken in many churches here in the Dallas area, so I don't know what churches you're referring to and you're not naming them, but I want to say that it's really shocking to me, frankly. And so I just wonder I just wonder how it's possible that they would tell you that that's just it's horrifying.

It was a very, it was a disturbing, faith challenging event for me, actually, to show up at a Senate hearing where I had spent six months trying to get pastors to show up. And none of them showed up on our side and they had 74. The other side had 74. It was amazing. Rainbow colored pastors. Yeah. So where do things stand right now? I don't know if you were beginning to answer that in the previous.

Well, what's going on right now is I'm pretty sure my son went on puberty blockers in December. So he will be able to continue on puberty blockers after Trump's executive order, but they won't be able to give him cross-ex hormones. So I'm pushing two things right now. First of all, there are 11 states in America that have passed transgender kidnapping bills. They call them sanctuary bills. But, you know, Alliance Defending Freedom has actually issued parental advisory saying don't go into these states because if they conclude your child as trans, they will not repatriate your child back to your state. And for example, they will not repatriate my children to Texas no matter what, even under court order.

They will not. No official in California can assist that. I would have to literally get the Texas Rangers to go to California to get my kids. And yet, not a single Republican state. not one has passed a sanctuary bill to protect kids from these transgender states. In fact, if you look at what Texas did with my son, they sent my son to California after they passed their transgender kidnapping bill and aided the kidnapping. So what we're seeing is that liberal state judges are colluding across state lines to get

children put into these sanctuary states so they can't be returned. And Republican states are passing their own sanctuary bills. Well, as I said before, this is satanic stuff. I mean, this is really deeply sick. And there's no rational explanation. Spiritually, it's just this is evil. All right. It's an attack on human beings.

It's an attack on us as the image of God. Yes. It's an attack on children. So it really has all the earmarks of evil. 100%. And so it's a spiritual battle. So I ask folks, if you're out there, if you're an intercessor, to pray because this is dark stuff. I mean, many great things have happened recently in this country,

but we see that there is still tremendous evil, that we're in a great war. It's a spiritual war, and we have to pray. And if there's anything anybody can do, you know, there are millionaires who listen to this show, billionaires who maybe can write a check or who can get involved. But whatever God has given you, a voice, money, a person, a person, a person, a, platform influence, whatever God has given you, he's given you for his purposes. And when you hear a story like this, you think, well, I've got to do something. What can I do? So I hope, folks, you'll go to savejames.org.

You can get more information. If you follow Jeff Younger's show on X, you can find out more information. And Jeff Younger, I just want to say, you know, what a wonderful thing that you have been willing to stand up. and to be vocal about this and to try to hold politicians' feet to the fire and your fellow Christians' feet to the fire. These things are in the Lord's hands, but we all have a job to do.

So Jeff Younger, thank you. Thank you. And I should say, I learned to do this from watching your show how important this was. So thank you. Greatest thing I could ever hear. God bless you.

Folks, welcome back. I'm sitting here in Dallas with A.J. Hurley, which I want to ask, what does the AJ stand for? But before we get to that, you're with the White Rose resistance. You're with the White Rose resistance, but what is your title with the White Rose Resistance?

So, yeah, I'm the National Director of Activism and Outreach. I knew it was that. It's the National Director. Godly Troublemakers, Eric. Of activism and outreach. Yep. So A.J. Hurley, what does the AJ stand for? Aaron Jonathan, good strong biblical name.

Aaron Jonathan. Okay. So, AJ, how did you get an involved with the way now the white rose resistance for people who are just tuning in my friend set gruber heads that up it is a magnificent pro-life organization and the white rose resistance refers to um well the white rose movement in germany you know that was shoal right sophie shawl so how did you a j hurley get involved with the white rose resistance yeah well

Well, I've been in the pro-life movement for... No, I know your story. I'm just pretending I don't know because I want my audience to hear your story. Yeah, good. So I worked at a few other organizations. I worked with Live Action, with Lila Rose. Was there a national outreach director before? Coming to the Yves, Seth and I have been friends forever.

I absolutely adore Seth. We're best friends, and he asked me to come aboard. But I actually, oddly enough, I started in an unlikely place in the halls of of a hospital. I was a neonatal respiratory therapist. And working on babies that essentially should be in a womb, but we're on my ventilator coming to find out that we're killing babies way older than the ones that we're saving at the very same hospital. And I like to say, whoa, so you, you're a neonatal, say it again, respiratory care practitioner, respiratory therapist. Okay, so not a medical doctor? Nope. Nope. It's like a specialized nurse, but very, very,

specialized because you're working on children that are prematurely born. And so your whole life is about saving the lives of these tiny babies. Yep. And then you find out that in your hospital, in another part of the hospital,

they're killing these babies. They're killing these babies to the day of birth now, thanks to Prop 1 in California. So I was being rebuked by what would have been unborn children, but, you know, they're prematurely born every single day. And my silence, my apathy, been pro-life forever, been a Christian forever. And I'm just freaking useless when it comes to protect these babies.

And I knew I couldn't be quiet about it anymore. And my favorite day I've told the story before was I was down in the lunchroom. And my director of my department brought up, how dare these, Republicans tell women what to do with their body. And I'm, this Holy Spirit is just say something. She brought it up. Are you just going to sit there?

And, I swallowed every single little bit of courage I had and I said nothing. And I went back up to the fifth floor and I looked inside of a womb, basically. And I ran to the bathroom. I got down on my knees on the floor and I just wept and said, this is the last freaking day. The old AJ of cowardice is ever going to be here. Grab my wife, we went down to West Hollywood Planned Parenthood,

and started trying to save babies by giving women resources and trying to adopt children. And God started changing our lives. And now I never would have imagined. I was marched out of UCLA Medical Center for not complying with a COVID vaccine. And it ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me because now I'm waking up the church with Seth.

And look at you sitting here without myocarditis. Exactly. I mean, what you're doing, tell people a little bit about the white rose. I mean, Seth has been on here a bunch of times, but the white rose resistance, it's like next level. It's wonderful. Well, I think Dr. George Grant, a friend of ours, he said it best. the church is plan A, there is no plan B. And I cannot, what I try to tell Christians is, and pastors, we cannot expect the GOP and the

pro-life movements to be more catechized than the churches. Oh, yeah. So if there's three branches of government, the state, the family, and the church, well, are we expecting that justice can prevail if the church isn't the church isn't the the conscience of America. And so stop trying to push off on the pro-life movement and the GOP, the job that the church should be at the forefront educating and demanding for justice. Oh, I mean, it's, it is amazing, actually.

It is amazing. And, you know, I've had a number of guests on here. But when we talk about, look, for over two years, I've been talking about it virtually nonstop, the cowardice of churches, the moral cowardice. think what is worse than that? You know, if somebody who is not a Christian gives excuses, I can't really argue. But if somebody says, I am a Christian, I think, okay, well, then God requires you to live out your faith. Otherwise, you're proving you don't have faith. Absolutely. And you can't fool God. Yeah. You can say, I got in by faith. Well, he knows you have no faith because you've

behaved in a way that's not consonant with having faith. That's the most disturbing thing. Well, the most pernicious lie I think we as Christians have accepted is that we can't talk about politics. I mean, Satan hears that. And you just lights up with joy because he's like, okay, then all I got to do is market everything moral as political. And I can get all of these freaking people to shut up.

Right. Because they're that dumb. Are they that dumb? or are they just cowardly or is it a combination of both? Is it ignorance? I mean, whatever it is. Yeah. It's absolutely horrifying.

It could be pietism. We can go into the easy believism. We can go into all of that. But what I like to do is actually just avoid all that and just say, this is simple Christianity. James, you mentioned, pure and undefital religion is what you're doing for the least of these. And so if you love God and if you love your name,

neighbor, stop using BS excuses as to why you're not in the front lines trying to save his children from being slaughtered and offered to Satan on an altar. Well, there are so many that have been waking up. I hope that my book, Letter to the American Church, got some people thinking a documentary film was made, Letter to the American Church. And I think it got a lot of people thinking, I'll never know who or how many. Yeah. But anyway, when we come back, I want to ask you about the event that's going to be happening in San Diego in June.

I think I'm going to be there. Folks, you should look up White Rose Resistance. They are total heroes. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to A.J. Hurley with the White Rose Resistance. You just said something. I know this story, but tell it.

It's disturbing. It's important. Yeah. So, right three months before Roe got overturned in 2020. I was in the East Coast doing a tour. And I got a phone call that changed my life. And my friend says, AJ, you need to be here right now.

My wife and I took a train a couple hours away. And two of my friends were outside of an abortion clinic in Washington, D.C., in our nation's capital, just outside Georgetown. So sorry, Santangelo's Washington Surge Center. And they watched a medical waste driver pull up in a big box truck. go up to the abortion clinic and unload boxes from the clinic full of unborn children, as we know in the pro-life movement. It's no surprise to us, but the medical waste driver had no clue.

He's like, we're like, hey, do you know what's in those boxes? He goes to surgical centers. He goes, I don't know, liposuction. Brother, look at the sign that's an abortion clinic. These are children in your community. An act of absolute divine providence. God used this guy. We were able to appeal to him and say,

can, will you, we have a pastor and a priest, will you let us take a box of these babies and give them the dignity and burial that they deserved? To our shock and surprise, he says, I'm scan this boxes in, I'm going to look the other way. Take a box, open them up at our friend's apartment. Inside was 115 aborted children. And five of them, Eric, were nearly full term.

More than that, they had overwhelming evidence of partial birth abortion and infanticides. Some of these babies, one of them, perfect little Harriet, we named the babies. Nothing wrong with her, but a snip in the back of the skull. Classic partial birth abortion fashion. One of the babies still in this amniotic sack. We realize that this is actually a federal crime. Every abortion is a crime, but this is a federal crime. and we turned these babies over to the DCPD,

and the biggest cover-up ever happened. I can go into that, but yeah, I held the babies that were aborted at our nation's capital, full-term children. The utter demonic elements of that I will never recover from, my wife will never recover from, and it'll never be the same. Well, you should never be the same when you see something like that.

That's a healthy response. It's evil. And it always brings me back to the complicity of Christians and churches that there are so many Christians going to churches that are not at all interested in this. And that's an astonishing thing. I just want to know what's the point of your faith, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Because what you've just described is ghoulish. Yeah.

And I really think that this was. happened right before God miraculously overturned Roe because Donald Trump was able to get three Supreme Court justices on the bench to finally do it. But it was, it was as, I really believe, and this became a national news story called Justice for the Five, you can look it up. But I really believe that God was allowing America, pulling back the curtain on what we've been doing in an act of God to let America see one more time, what's happening before Roe v. Wade was overturned, and now it's our job at the state level to end this

freaking barbaric evil. Is there a place where people can find this story? I mean, that you just told me. Live action. I did an amazing series of pieces on this at Live action news. Live action news. You can see, you go to my Instagram at AJ Hurley or my, it's all over the place. You can just type in AJ Hurley, where unborn. children, justice for the five. Okay. We're at a time. AJ Hurley. Thank you for everything. Thanks for having me on. God bless you.