The Eric Metaxas Show - Jenna Ellis

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Constitutional lawyer and friend of the show Jenna Ellis joins to discuss the state of the current administration. 

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Suddenly, it's mid-March. What? How did that happen? Chris, you and I are in the same neck of the wood. and it is warm. And I don't mean it's hot, but it's like we had a bitter, bitter winter. The cold winter I can remember.

Yeah, and I wanted to bring this up the other day. I feel like we relied to by the groundhog. I think it's very clear the groundhog was fibbing. That could happen. That can happen. He's not the oracle that he is made out to be. But the weather is delightful. and I'm happy for that.

But I like the cold too. But who cares what I think? Here's the issue. We're doing a radio program today, and we have two exciting guests and three really lousy guests. We're not going to run the lousy guests, just going to run the exciting guests. In Hour 1 today, my old friend Jenna Ellis, actually, she's not old, but I've known her for a while. She is a constitutional scholar, and I am fascinating. fascinated by how government works, what the Constitution says, and whether, are you ready,

whether Donald Trump could run for a third term. Of course he could in some ways. But the question is, what would that look like? In a few minutes, Jenna Ellis will come on to break it down, break down the possibilities. But I just love triggering people who are like freaked out by that. So we're going to have some fun in hour one. So in a couple of minutes, Jenna Ellis is coming on to talk to us about how that would work. So Donald Trump's third term, stay tuned in our next segment. In hour two, we're talking to our friends from the Alliance for Prosperity. And after that, I get to talk to our friend Shane Winnings.

He is the head of promise keepers. Some people didn't know that that's still a thing. Totally, it's a thing. So I'm talking to Shane Winnings in our two. A lot of stuff going on. I want to update you on food for the poor. Some of you know we're doing a fundraiser with food for the poor. And I want to say, again, we live in a world where there's a lot of evil and our job is to do our job.

And what can we do? Well, we can do many things. One of the things we can do is give to organizations that are doing God's work. We partner every year with food for the poor because we trust them. We know they have a long track record, over 40 years of feeding the poorest of the poor in our hemisphere. So right now we're focused on El Salvador. There's a special school lunch program because a lot of the kids in places like El Salvador, or they're suffering from malnutrition.

One of the ways around this, and this is what Food for the Poor has figured out, is if you can get them a nutritious meal when they're in school. So that's what we're trying to do. If you give $100, it feeds a kid for a year. Folks, I'm amazed at that. If you know about food for the poor, they stretch your dollars very far. So you need to be good stewards. You don't give to people that are going to waste a lot of money.

on bureaucracy and overhead, food for the poor does just the opposite. They make it happen and they stretch your dollar very, very far. But the statistics of the malnutrition and stunted growth, which follows from malnutrition, that these kids face when they're born into such extreme poverty, you know, it's something, it simply shouldn't be happening. And so we don't donate because statistics, we do it because none of us wants to see a kid go hungry. I was literally yesterday with my mom and my daughter. And my mom, who's now 90, she wrote an account. I don't know if she wrote this 20 or 30 years ago of growing up and suffering hunger and malnutrition,

all kinds of physical stuff that arose from malnutrition. This is my mom. So this is real. And it's happening now. This was happening in World War II and after World War II. and my mother remembers it vividly. But it's happening today right now, and we can do something about this.

So I guess, well, actually, I want to play a clip. This is a Daisy who is speaking in El Salvador through an interpreter. Let's see if we can play that clip. This is Daisy. As humans, I will call out for your help. If you have an opportunity to have a good life, with many blessings, but you can actually change a life of a child in a basic need such as food. You then can also be a blessing to people that don't have anything to eat and they will eat

because of you. These kids who are hungry get to eat because of you helping support school lunches. They're funded 100% by voluntary donations from folks like you. So I want to steer you to our website, metaxustalk.com. Metaxus talk.com. At the top of the page, you'll see the banner, feed their future. Again, Food for the Poor is asking you to give $100. If you can't do $100, could you do $50?

Could you do $20? Some of you could do $300 or $500. or $1,000. It's tax deductible. Obviously, $1,000 feeds 10 kids in El Salvador. If you do your research on food for the poor, you'll be more impressed by them. And you'll understand that being a good steward of your money, you know, if you care about that, there's somebody you can trust.

Again, it's why we talk about it on this program, because we have vetted them. Now, there's a phone number. I'll give you the phone number if you want to write that down. if that's easier for you. But again, you can just go to Metaxus talk.com and do it that way. Coming up in a moment, Jenna Ellis, to talk about Trump's third term. Before that, though, would you dial the number 844, 863-4673? That's the phone number, 844, 8663, 4673.

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Your gift will allow them to focus on learning rather than worrying about their next meal. Today you have the power to feed a child or an entire classroom for a year. Please click the blue banner at metaxis talk.com or call 844-863-4673 with a gift of $100 to feed their future. Hey there, folks. You know and I know that Trump needs a third term. It needs to happen. How are we going to do it? Can we do it constitutionally? That's the only way any American patriot would want to do it. We don't believe in dictatorship. How do we get it done? Can we get it done? I think we might be able to. But wouldn't it be great if we had a constitutional expert on the program to let us know, you know, uh, whether it's possible, how it's possible. Jenna Ellis is my friend. She's also a constitutional expert. She's a policy expert at American Family Radio. You can find her at AFR.net. Jenna Ellis, welcome to the program. Good to see you, my friend. Thanks for having me. I'm all excited about getting it done. So what do we need to do for Trump to get a third, fourth, and perhaps fifth term as U.S. president?

Yeah, well, four terms for president isn't even unprecedented in the United States because when the Constitution was originally ratified, there were no term limits for the office of the president. And so George Washington, our first president, stepped down after two terms. And that was more of the tradition. But until Roosevelt actually had four terms, then the 22nd amendment was ratified in 1951 through the Article 5 process. That's where we can amend our U.S. Constitution. And we can also amend it by changing it back to the way that it was. And so if Trump wants to seek a third term, currently the Constitution forbids that, but I could see a scenario where the states instead of Congress can propose an amendment to the U.S. Constitution because I think it's around 27 states right now that are Republican controlled. We only need two thirds to get us to a convention or the convening. of states to then determine the language and pass an amendment, which then would have to be ratified by three-fourths of the states, and that would be the way that we do it. Okay, now, for me, that's too much information. I want to break that down with you so that everybody can understand it. And if I didn't quite understand it, that means numerous, numerous

people didn't quite understand it. But if they replay what you just said, what you just said, I know, is crystal clear, but there are pieces of it. Let me say also that I, to me, this is fun to talk about because I know it triggers people. There are people like, what? What are you saying? What are you saying? And that's to me is what makes it fun. It's like there's some people that they think by definition, anyone wanting Trump to have a third term, that's dictatorship. And I want to say, ladies and gentlemen, no, if you can amend the Constitution, it has been amended, amended, then, you know, that's the way it works. But they're just people that they don't like it.

So they act like, well, it smacks of authoritarianism. And this is why I wanted to have you on, Jenna. We have to break it down for people. We do. And interestingly, Eric, I was contacted by an NBC reporter on this very topic. And when I initially spoke with him, he's like, well, you know, Trump is just going on about having a third term. That's impossible.

This is just his bravado, right? And after the conversation where I explained, well, you know, Trump has a mandate. And if the will of the people, and by the way, we the people actually get to determine our system of government and we can amend the U.S. Constitution procedurally to allow this, then why would that be something that you object to? And for background, let's let's give the background here. ladies and gentlemen, if you pay any attention to what's going on in the news and in our government, we have congressmen and senators that have no term limits. And so you get ultra-political hacks like, oh, I don't know, Joe Biden, who are in office for over 50 years, not eight years or 12 years forever. You get Mitch McConnell. You get tons of people in our government. There is no

ability to get them out, it seems. They stay in there forever. So what is it about the president, the presidency that we say, well, wait a minute, two terms. That's it. I think that. Just an amendment. To have you on, Jenna, is just to have clarification on this kind of stuff. And you just said it. We had two terms. George Washington said after his second term, okay, I'm going to step aside. He didn't even want to do a second term, but they kind of forced him, said, please, we need your leadership to, you know, to steady the ship of state. Please do two terms. So that sets a precedent.

And you go on and on and on until you get to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who was elected ladies and gentlemen to a fourth term. He was elected by the people. There was no dictatorship. The people could have chosen Adelaie Stevenson. They could have chosen anybody else. They did not. They chose Franklin, Delano Roosevelt for a fourth.

term. And it wasn't until whatever, seven years after he dies that the Congress says, okay, we should probably have a constitutional amendment saying two terms. Do we know, Jenna, why they felt the need to do that? I mean, it's a little interesting to me that. Why would they feel to amend the Constitution in terms of term limits for the executive? When they didn't do that for the Senate, they didn't do that for Congress. What, what, do you know what precipitated? Interestingly, right? Interestingly, they did this for the office of the president, but not for themselves. Because as you rightly pointed out, Eric, there are no term limits currently for Congress. So I find that a little bit hypocritical that some of the Democrats, especially even some of the rhinos, are suggesting that, you know, if Trump even thinks about a third term, then this is dictatorship when they've spent, I mean, Mitch McConnell, I think, was elected to office originally when I was two years old.

I mean, this is insane. And he's just now saying he's not going to seek re-election. You have Diane Feinstein who died in office. I mean, so this was just to keep the office of the presidency in their view, returning power back to the people. But notice they didn't do that for themselves. So full disclosure here. I mean, I am all for term limits. I think that term limits on every public office are a good thing so that we get statesmen, not just these career politicians. And I'm even for term limits on the U.S. Supreme Court and Article 3, justices. So I would be for a constitutional amendment modifying Article 3 in a way for judicial reform because we're seeing the enormous power of the Supreme Court that really goes unchecked. So this is a broader conversation, but to your point, Eric, we the people get to determine our system of government. That's how the founders set it up. And that's why they allowed for the Article 5 process so that if there was an instance, like maybe right now, where we want a third, term of Donald Trump, then we can go in and amend the Constitution. Now, it shouldn't be done lightly. It's not an easy process. In my view, it shouldn't be done just for one person. But if we

see a scenario where we go, well, you know, two terms really isn't enough. I mean, my home state of Florida, I wish that Governor Ron DeSantis got a third term as governor. I would love to see that amended in Florida because we can see that eight years just isn't enough when you were on a role with conservative policy and you have someone that is a champion and a fighter in the way that Governor DeSantis is in Florida and the way that Donald Trump is for the federal government. Now, I wouldn't want to have seen Barack Obama with four terms. So that's the downside where we need to be careful. But I think that this is a conversation that we should be able to have without just getting

shut down outright by saying, oh, well, you must be for a dictatorship, you're a fascist, you're, you know, whatever, if you even talk about a third term of Trump. No, this is what we, the people, is all about and why the founders at the original Constitutional Convention provided a pathway to amend, but they didn't just give that pathway to Congress. They also gave it to the state legislatures because they knew that Congress may not do things at the federal level that the states and the people genuinely want. Okay, I want to get to that in our next segment, but I want to say, just make the point, folks, we the people, and for some reason there's some confusion on this. So I want to say this over and over and over and over. We are the government.

we are the government. And you need to understand that. You are the government. We are a free people. No one governs us. We govern ourselves. And if we want to pick someone to be our president, we should be able to do that.

And the idea that somebody says, no, no, you can't do it a third term. We ought to reasonably ask the question, why not? Help me understand why, if we, the people, want that guy, we can't have him. Tell me why. Right now, it's because that's what the Constitution says. That's a good answer. But the Constitution can be amended. The founders provided for that. We're going to talk more about that. But we need to have clarity on what we're

talking about here. It's not just, oh, I like Trump. No, that's not good enough. We have to do it in a constitutional way if we're going to do it. We'll be right back. Live alone in a paradise that makes me think of true. Love lost. A generation of kids in El Salvador are lost to malnutrition, and the only way to a better future is through a school feeding program. Join me, Eric Metaxus, in saving lives with food for the poor. When you click the Feed Their Future banner at metaxus talk.com,

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Back. We're talking to my friend Jenna Ellis about the Constitution, about the United States of America, and about the wild idea. I just find this fun because I think it triggers people about Trump. talking about a third term. And what's funny, Jenna, is people really get triggered by Trump. He doesn't need to do anything. He just needs to even joke. And he does this on purpose. He'll joke like, yeah, maybe I go for the third term. The heads explode across quote unquote newsrooms across America.

It's sort of funny. But we're talking about the reality of it. We're talking about civics. What does the Constitution say? Why does it say what it says? Why can we the people not pick someone for a third term. Who determines that? I remember in New York City, we had Rudy Giuliani. Rudy Giuliani, who's a friend of viewers and someone I've been privileged to meet, he was such an amazing mayor in New York. People wanted a third term for him. We got Bloomberg. Bloomberg was a great mayor compared to what we've had since. People wanted a third term for him. He made it possible. he changed, I guess, the New York State Charter or the Constitution, whatever he did, and he got a third term. Frankly, I wished he'd had gotten a fourth and a fifth term when you look at who we've had since.

So there's a place for this, and we have to do it in a measured way, and we have to be careful because, you know, politics is funny stuff. But, Jenna, you were just talking about the states. But be clear on this, or go slowly on this, so that we follow what you're saying. In other words, Congress and the Senate can amend the Constitution. We have a number. How many amendments do we have to the Constitution at this point? 27. We've amended it 27 times in our nation's history.

And importantly, that's only been through Congress proposing amendments. We've never done it through the state legislature. And that, to me, is very unfortunate because that is a provision that our founders expressly and intentionally provided so that we could bypass Congress and not just give all of the authority to determine our highest law in the land only to that body. So, first of all, why would you think it would be more feasible to do it through, what is it, a convention of states? What would this be? Yes. So Article 5 provides those two pathways to originate amendments or the idea of an

amendment has to start somewhere and are two pathways, either through two thirds of both houses, in Congress. So the House and the Senate have to pass that petition or through two-thirds of the state legislature. So same number, but it's more difficult in the current composition, especially in the Senate when Republicans don't even have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. They're not getting two-thirds of the Senate to agree to modify the 22nd Amendment to give Trump a third term. This is where the issue with income tax, for example, where the 16th Amendment is where we, for some stupid reason, allowed Congress to lay and collect income tax without any sort of cap or anything else. We have the 17th Amendment, which changed the process for the election of U.S. senators. It used to be that state legislatures appointed U.S. senators.

That's why the Constitution provides advice and consent of presidential nominees only to the Senate. They were supposed to represent the will of the state legislatures, which in turn represent the will of the people. The 17th Amendment changes so that U.S. senators are popularly elected. All of these amendments modified the original process of the Constitution. And so when we're talking about amending the Constitution, this has only been done through Congress. And so, of course, for U.S. senators, it was better for them. And so they got the 17th Amendment through Congress. But the states have that same power to propose amendments.

So what would happen if you go through the state legislatures is that they would, they would pass a petition. It has to be the same subject matter. That's really important. It has to say we are calling for a convening of the states on the same issue. So so many people who are very wary of this are concerned that if we convene the states for a convention of the states, which is the language of Article 5 that somehow this is a new constitutional convention will overhaul our entire constitution that's completely and utterly false. Right now, there are over 400 live active past petitions from state legislatures.

That's way more than two-thirds of the states, but no convention has been called because they don't agree on the subject matter. So, for example, one petition may say we want judicial reform. Another one is saying we want a balanced budget. Another one is saying we want term limits. It's another one is saying, you know, let's modify the Second Amendment. Those are all very different subject matter. So the petition has to be very clear.

In this instance, it would be specifically to modify the 22nd Amendment. And then what would happen if that's passed through two-thirds of the states, then Congress would call a place and a time for the convening. That's their only involvement is to just set a place in time. Then all 50 states would send delegates. they would have one vote each, just their entire, they have the vote by delegation. They would come to that meeting. They would actually draft proposed language and then determine whether or not that

passes out of their convention. If that amendment passes out of the convention, it's the same way as if the amendment passes out of Congress, then it goes to all of the states to be ratified by a three-force majority. And that's the very same way that we've amended our Constitution 27 times. in our nation's history. This is simply saying what to do it through the states, not Congress. Right. So the founders obviously set a very, very high bar to mess with the Constitution. It's not easy to do. That is by design. It has to be an extraordinary thing. But it has happened 27

times in our history. Now, when you say if we're going to do it through Congress, you need 60 senators to vote for this. You need the two-thirds majority. It's far and a star. Welcome back. We're talking to my friend Jenna Ellis about the Constitution. So it's highly unlikely that you'd be able to amend the Constitution to take off the two-term limit that currently exists on the presidency. So you're saying it could be done more easily through the states. You said we have 27 of the 50 states that have Republican legislatures or

in both chambers. In both chambers. But how many states, I mean, to get two-thirds of the states, that's again, that seems very, very high. This seems highly unlikely. Well, it's highly unlikely just because of the current composition of the states and how difficult it is. I mean, this is why we've only amended our Constitution 27 times, and that includes also the Bill of Rights, which was the first 10 amendments, right? And so, you know, so after that, we only have, you know, 17. But the last time we amended our Constitution was, I think it was ratified, the 27th Amendment was ratified ultimately in 1993, even though it had been kind of on the desk for a while. But the process, as you mentioned, Eric, it's difficult by design, because we don't want to just

willy-nilly go in and change our highest law of the land. and what governs us because the Constitution has prevented a lot of very damaging corruption and the separation and the limiting of powers to the federal government in particular is really why we still are a free people. And the concept of federalism is incredibly important. But the point here, I think, is that this is a debatable issue. It is possible. It's not just a foregone conclusion that presidents only get two terms, that's it. No, we could monitor. it. And if there is enough support, and I think the Trump mandate with the overwhelming landslide that Trump won the states by, if you go back and you look at that electoral map,

I think he has more than the two-thirds majority. And so it would be incumbent on the people in those states to then go to their state legislature and say, we want this. We want a petition to go through the legislature. And importantly, this cannot be done for Article 5 by a citizen petition. It has to go through the state legislature. So things that get like ballot initiatives and all of those things that, you know, get on the ballot for elections, we can't amend the Constitution through just simple democracy vote. It has to be the constitutional representative Republican process. So that's important. It can only be done through Congress or the state legislatures, not just the sheer will of the people, but the people should be informing the state

legislatures as to what they want. And if two-thirds of the states and the majority will of the people want this type of petition, the state legislature should listen to them. This is so fascinating, folks. We're going to have to leave it there. But I'm so grateful, Jenna, that you can help us break this down. We need to understand, ladies and gentlemen, what I said in the beginning, we are the government. We get to choose our leaders. If we choose our leaders wisely. They will amend the Constitution when it's necessary, when it's the will of the people. But it's a very high bar. The founders were very wise in doing this. So it doesn't seem likely that this could happen, but it's important to understand what is possible. Jenna Ellis,

great to have you on. You can be found at American Family Radio, AFR.net, and other places. Jenna Ellis is not hard to spell. Jenna Ellis, thank you. Thanks so much, Jim. My ex is at real Jenna Ellis. so you can also follow me there. Thanks so much, Eric. As you know, we're doing a fundraiser with food for the poor, and we're asking everyone who listens to this program to participate. I think technically that means you. Chris, can you tell me, does that mean all the people who can listen to my voice right now, technically they're listeners? Yes, it does mean that. It means they're listeners. So technically, that means they are, they're on the hook here that I want them

to participate. Right. Right. Folks, that's the law. That's the law. So it means you need to go to metaxis talk.com. Seriously, this is such a beautiful opportunity. We just do this a few times a year where we partner with somebody that we trust.

Food for the Poor, you know we trust them. We work with them every year. They're feeding hungry children. They're children in, in this case, El Salvador, who are suffering for malnutrition. And we are commanded in the scriptures to help the poorest of the poor, the least of these, in Jesus' words, in Matthew, the least of these. This is a way to do it. Food for the poor is asking for $100, which feeds a kid for a year. For a year.

That's every $100. So if you can do $50, it feeds a kid for six months, you can do the math. Some people can do a lot more than $100. And I want to go out on a limb again. I do this with every campaign. If there is anybody out there who can give a $15,000 gift, now that's a huge thing. That's a very big deal, okay, that would feed 150 children for a year.

But I know this folks who listen to this program who can do that. It's tax deductible. It's a great cause, great organization, food for the poor. anybody who can do that, I will make myself available to have dinner with you. We always work it out, whether in New York or in your neck of the woods, because I travel a lot, that I would make myself available for an evening. We can spend the evening together, whether you want to do it just with, you and your spouse and me and Suzanne or whatever, whoever is traveling with me. Or if you want to put together a group of, you know, 20 people and a big restaurant, that's all on.

you, you're paying for the dinner, but I give my time, if there's anybody willing to give $15,000 to this great cause, I say, well, then I'm going to give my time. I'm going to give an evening of my time. My time has become outrageously valuable. So I just want you to know it's a sacrifice for me, but I do it because I believe in these organizations and these causes, food for the poor doesn't get better than food for the poor. They're feeding the poor. We've talked about a lot on this program. But the website to go to is metaxis talk.com. You'll see at the top of the page, there's a banner there, metaxis talk.com. I hope you will go there. I believe there's a phone number, which it's not in front of me right now. Yes, it is. I just found it. If you prefer to call,

dial 844-863-4673 844-8663-8-6-7-3 8-4-863 8-6-7-3 8-4-8-6-3-4-6-7-3. It is important that everybody participate. So whatever level you participate on, that's on you. But if you listen to this program, we're asking you to help us out. This is something that we really believe in, and I just think it's important. We had Paul Jacobs on earlier last week. and he made the important point that because of the relationships and partnerships that the organization has, they've been there for over two decades now.

They're actually using the local farmers on top of it. It's not like they're flying money in or, sorry, food in with money. They're actually using existing infrastructure there. So they're putting it back in the community, basically two different ways. So it's pretty amazing. Hey, folks. Welcome back. We are, before we go into Hour Two, we have, in our two, we have, in our two,

We've got our friends at the Alliance for Prosperity, kind of an important thing that they want us to bring to your attention. So that's going to be in the next segment at the top of our two. Important. After that, we get to talk news of the day with our friend Shane Winnings. That's his real name. He's the head of promise keepers. So we'll be just talking about all the news of the day. and actually the news of the last week, some crazy stuff.

I want to remind everyone, the cruise leaves Athens on June 6th. It returns on June 16th. There is a pre-cruz thing that you can do if you want. We're going to do a tour of Athens and we're going to do a Socrates in the city event in Athens. This is all before we get on the boat on June 6th. So this will be like the third, fourth, fifth, whatever. If you want to spend a couple days in Athens with us, obviously I'll be doing all this stuff. It's going to be, that's going to be a lot of fun.

In fact, you could even do that and skip the cruise if you want. But the cruise, I keep saying this, the folks running the cruise, they set aside rooms just for us, right? Because it's like 3,000 people on the big cruise ship. They give us a certain number of rooms. They hold them for us. They don't hold them forever. So they weren't able to hold them. And because the kind of time is passing, recently I met with them and they said, we put them back on.

We've got them on again. So tell your listeners that if they're interested to jump on it now before they take, because eventually they'll take them away and they will just, they sell them as part. I don't know how this stuff works, but I'm telling you, if you want to go or you want to know what's possible, Ericmataxis.com slash cruise is the website. Ericmetaxis.com slash cruise is the website. Ericmetaxis.com slash cruise. All the information's there. This would be a fun thing to do in June.

Believe me. Sailing on the Mediterranean, visiting all of these ports. Oh, my gosh. There's going to be all kinds of excursions. Obviously, mostly at night. I'm going to give a talk on one of my books. It's going to be Q&A. It's going to be a blast.

So if it's a possibility for you or if you're interested, go to Ericmataxis.com slash cruise, erkmataxis.com slash cruise. I also want to remind you of Mike Lindel, mypillow.com, my store.com. Please use the code, Eric. Please support Mike Lindell. If you have to buy a towel or a sheet or a mattress top or any of that stuff, go to MyPillow.com. use the code Eric. We all need towels. We all need bathrobes, slippers, whatever. He sells

practically everything there. And MyStore.com, which is a Mike Lindell website, I think you can get there from Mypillar.com. You can get almost all my books there. Some of them are very cheaply priced if you use the code. Eric. My Miracles book, I've been talking about that lately. It's like $10. I don't know why, but that's my store.com. Use the code. Eric, all of the Donald, the Caveman, books are there. That's the best place to get them. Donald drains the swamp. Donald builds the wall. Donald on the fake news. You can get all three of them that the list price is $60, but with the code Eric, the $3499 for all three, or you can get them all a cart. But you have to go to my store.com, use the code Eric, my store.com. Use the code Eric. Another book, I never talk about it,

but the birthday ABC, one of the greatest birthday presents you can give to anybody. The Birthday ABC. It's one of the first books I ever wrote. It's a children's book, but the illustrations by my friend Tim Raglan are just so gorgeous. You want to frame them. In fact, I have framed a couple of the originals in my house. But that's the birthday ABC. You can see it at my store.com.

Use the code. Eric. We'll be right back with Alliance for Prosperity. And then a story.