The Eric Metaxas Show - Jenna Ellis and Sean Feucht

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

Jenna Ellis, constitutional law expert, defends the right of free speech for even those for whom we vehemently disagree; then, Sean Feucht talks about his recent Disney protests and his thoughts on free speech.

Folks, welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m.investments.com. That's legacy pm investments.com. Taxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Hey, folks, welcome. Boy, we've got a very exciting newsy kind of day today. I don't normally do newsy stuff. I tend to avoid the news. I hate the news. But, you know, sometimes you can't avoid it. And the other day, my friend Jenna Ellis tweeted something about wanting to defend Disney. And she's loved Disney for many, many years.

And it just caused this kind of firestorm. I had other friends like Sean Foyt, who'll be on in a couple of minutes, saying, like, why is Jenna Ellis saying she would defend Disney? Doesn't she know their groomers and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I said, you know what, I'm not going to get in the middle of this. Why don't I just have my friend Jenna on the program and she can explain herself? And of course, she's very busy, very tough to get. But you know what?

She's a real friend. And she came on the program. Jenna Ellis, welcome. Thank you so much, my friend. And always appreciate the opportunity to come on and also explain what's going on and how we can think about this and analyze it appropriately. Exactly. That's the idea. That's the idea.

So, but before we get into the, you know, to the big controversy, let's just start here. Yesterday, Elon Musk bought Twitter. That sounds like a joke. That's like a Babylon B headline. Elon Musk, a zillionaire, bought Twitter for, you know, $67 gazillion. Do you have any thoughts on that today, the day after this happened? Because I find myself feeling generally like, hey, that's a great thing. but I just have a lot of questions about it.

I just wondered if you had any ideas about it. Oh, it's a great day for free speech, and it is absolutely a great thing. And I think, ironically, you mentioned Babylon B, and that seemed to be the catalyst when the Babylon B, the satire site, was suspended on Twitter. Elon Musk, of course, had done that interview with the Babylon B. loves all of their work and started talking to Seth Dillon, who's the CEO, and actually had a conversation with him saying, should I? offer to buy Twitter. I mean, this is ridiculous. And so what the left is melting down over

on people who are so concerned that somehow billionaire Elon Musk is owning Twitter when they didn't really care that Jack Dorsey was running Twitter, then what they're concerned about is that Elon Musk has openly said that he is a free speech absolutist and that he hopes that people who disagree with him will stay on the platform because that's what free speech means. So I think this is a watershed moment in American history because we have not only the government that's forbidden by the Constitution to infringe on constitutionally protected speech and free speech, but we've seen that the tech oligarchs have gotten around that and private companies have censored public forums. And with Elon Musk saying, I'm going to buy one of the top five

platforms, the top platform for political speech, this is going to revolutionize what we can actually discuss and debate openly. And I think it's a lot of the top five platforms, the top platform for political speech. And I think It's a fantastic thing. And I mean, it is kind of crazy because Twitter, YouTube, Amazon, I mean, these are all owned by zillionaires. You have to say zillionaires now because billionaires, you know, what is a billionaire? We're all billionaires now. But the point is that it's so crazy that people were upset as though this was the first time a wealthy person bought one of these platforms. We had Jeff Bezos.

Not only does he own Amazon. He owns the Washington Post. You know, you've got Rupert Murdoch. The whole thing is just preposterous. So anyway, it's just, it is fascinating. Now, in answering this question, you alluded slyly to the topic that I want to talk to you about. People know, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, because I want to set this up. I always want to understand things, and this is what I appreciate you about you,

trying to think really logically about what we believe in, what is right, what is wrong, not just rah-rah, go-team, you know, crush the opposition. That's not where we're coming from. We believe in truth. We believe in the God of truth. We believe in the rule of law. So break down for us the situation with Disney. In other words, this is my understanding, that basically in Florida, you have a strange bill coming out where they actually

want to make it possible for teachers to talk to little children about their own sexuality. I think everybody in America, anybody with a brain just goes, that's wrong. That's actually sick. That's like touching my kid inappropriately. Don't even think about it. So DeSantis, of course, you know, the governor goes against it. You're a big fan of DeSantis, correct? I am. Absolutely. And I'm going to correct you a little bit because what Disney actually opposed was Florida having what's called the parental rights and education bill. This means that public schools would not be able to have this type of sexually explicit content in the classroom.

And of course, the left is saying, oh, we don't talk about sex in the classroom for kids who are in kindergarten up to third grade. But then there was all of a sudden, remarkably, all of this outrage from the left. And they called it very slightly and I think falsely the don't say gay bill. Well, that's what they do, though, right? In other words, they take something reasonable, and then they kind of create terms around it so that if you're opposed to it, you're a bigot, which, but see, to me, that, you know, that tells you everything you need to know. If you have to play that game, you're already wrong. You don't, you shouldn't have to play that game. Right. And so, so Florida passed the parental rights and education bill anyway. I was a very ardent advocate for that bill. I think that bill should be passed in every state in the country. There is no reason to have sexually. explicit content and teachers talking about their sexual orientation or anything about their adult sex life to children. We can all say that is disgusting. We agree that that's part of

fundamental truth. And so I absolutely disagreed with the Disney statement that came out opposing that legislation. I disagree politically. And Disney said that they were going to fight against that legislation. And of course, all conservatives in anyone who's a parent who even understand anything about protecting kids, of course they're going to be advocates for the bill. So that was all fine. And Florida passed the bill and everybody's happy. But my question, before you get to the then what happened, which is the trigger here, why in the world would a corporation that, you know, has been valued for decades and decades

as pro-family, whatever, we know that they have gone, they have turned to the dark side in many ways. over the last couple of decades. But why would they go so far out as to take a stand that they took? I mean, it seems to me like suicide that Disney would do something that dumb. It just is astonishing to me. Their stock has plummeted. So many people have canceled their subscriptions to Disney Plus. People have canceled their vacations.

They've sold their stock. There has been a public outrage over this. And I don't think that it's a coincidence that, you have a company that has been known for family values. Walt Disney started the Walt Disney company and had his theme park so that he could have somewhere to take his daughters that was wholesome and a great environment to spend a great day with your family. I mean, it's all about family to Walt Disney. So I don't think it's a coincidence that this company that has been known and trusted for decades and several generations. I mean, my parents, when they met in high school, their senior prom was at Disneyland.

I mean, you know, I'm a generational Disney kid, right? So these types of trusted companies are now saying we are going to insidiously put in elements of the woke agenda to target your children because you trust us as a company. That's the parental outrage that is absolutely appropriate. And that's where Disney is going to have to now make this decision. Do we want to be woke or do we want to actually understand that parents are going to stand up for their kids? I mean, look, I think Disney is dead. I think that what they did, there's just, there's levels of outrage. They've been doing outrageous things for years. And a lot of folks have looked the other way and said, well, you know, I want to go to the country bear jamboree. And I'm not going to think about the fact that the people who run Disney are out of their minds. They're Marxist screwballs. I'm going to avoid that. And I'm going to go to the Hall of Presidents. And I'm going to celebrate America. And I'm going to go with the Walt Disney version of Disney. But what Disney did recently, and this gets to the controversy of what you tweeted, what they did, I think, pushed many people to say,

I will never spend another penny at Disney. I will go out of my way never to spend another penny at Disney. I think that is not only appropriate. I think it is vital in America that we push back. But what DeSantis did, you don't think was the right thing. When we come back, we're going to hear why. We'll be right back talking to Jenna. Ellis. Tell me, Eric, why is relief factor so successful at lowering or eliminating pain? I'm often

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and I was certainly one of them, just so glad to see him in the fight. But my friend Jenna Ellis, who happens to be a constitutional legal mind, she has a different view. And she tweeted something. And so I said, let's get her on to talk about what is her position. So, Jenna, what do you say? Yeah. So we've talked about the parental rights and education bill.

That was the state of Florida and DeSantis's way to fight back against all of the things that were going on in classrooms and for inappropriate sexual content for children. And when Disney came out and opposed legislation, they won. The state of Florida passed it anyway, and that's how legislation works. But then where he went too far was then to openly say, if you go woke, you go broke, and we are going to retaliate against the Walt Disney Company for voicing a political opinion, for opposing a government action, for opposing legislation, and we are now going to pass a bill that takes away their special district, their tax-exempt status. Now, I want to be very, very clear here

that I don't think that Disney is constitutionally entitled to a special district. We can have that conversation of whether or not that's a good idea for the state of Florida. The point here is that government is constitutionally prohibited from retaliating against any individual or corporation for their constitutionally protected speech. So imagine Eric, if this was in the state of California. And the Disney Company, which has, of course, Disneyland in California, came out and made a public statement against California's abortion law and said, we disagree with this. We are going to fight against this. And the state of California passed it anyway. And then Gavin Newsom said, well, you know what, Disney Company? I'm going to retaliate against you.

use my powers of government and come and basically try to make you pay. Every conservative would say he can't do that. It's protected speech. We like Disney. There is no constitutional distinction here between that action versus what Ron DeSantis is doing. So the point and the reason that I will defend constitutionally protected speech against government retaliation is that we as conservatives and constitutional Americans can never say, You get to be silenced by your government simply because we abhor your speech. The entire point of freedom of speech in America is that Disney has the right to say disgusting things.

And we have to, as constitutional advocates, restrain government from retaliation. Well, where it gets complicated. And first of all, Jenna, God bless you, thank you for thinking clearly for the rest of us. Because this is the thing. You and I, publicly, we have a higher standard. It's not about winning. It's about doing what is right. We call ourselves Christians.

We're not supposed to just care about winning. And I think there are a lot of people who don't believe in fighting and in the battle and whatever. We don't disagree with them. We're in a cultural battle, and it's preposterous and children are being attacked, and everything's being attacked. But how you fight is everything. And what you are trying to clarify here, and I know that there are some people who, who might disagree with you, and that's kind of another conversation. But nonetheless, you're saying that when we use government, you know, for what we like,

if we do it in the wrong way, it's no different than when the other side does it. So I guess my question is, where we are now in America, are people on the left, like Gavin Newsom, Are they not in fact doing this all the time? Have we entered a new reality where somebody like a DeSantis says, this is just where we are now and let's duke it out in the courts? And this is a political calculation? Well, if that's the case and there are a lot of people on the new right that say the Constitution is dead, we have to fight fire with fire, we have to win at all costs.

This is to protect the children, et cetera. What they're not understanding is that our founders would have ardently disagreed with them. Because when their rights were being infringed, they didn't say, let's fight fire with fire and be unprincipled and only get the win. They had a principled revolution and said, no, we're going to push back against our government and we are going to declare that every human being made in the image of God has the same inalienable rights. And the reason that they ratified the First Amendment protections against the government was so that Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom are held to the exact same standard. So if we go and say, we are going to fight fire with fire. And because the Democrats do this to us, we're going to do it with them. We may see some temporary victories like in Florida, but we will have lost the entire war because we will then be conceit.

the very thing that makes this country great, which is the fact that we limit our government, and they cannot infringe on our rights. Okay, so basically what you're saying, and I think this is a really important teaching point for the country. So I hope people are like really trying to track this here. Don't think with your emotions, folks. We have to understand liberals, people who hate Trump, genuinely believed, okay? They're wrong. They're insane.

but they generally believed he's Hitler 2.0, and we must do anything that we can do. Illegal, illegal, we couldn't care less. We will steal the election. We have an obligation to save democracy by stealing the election. That's what they did. And they did it because they felt they were doing the right thing. They were doing the wrong thing. They were throwing the Constitution under the bus.

They were throwing we the people under those. But they said, we don't care because it's so important. we're going to throw the rules out. We know that that was wrong. It was evil. What you're saying, it seems to me, is that when somebody like Ron DeSantis does something like this, it ends up being similar. We are no longer principled in the way that we're fighting. Yes.

And that is so well said, Eric. And, you know, people can then come back and say, well, what's your solution? because obviously we didn't win the election integrity battle as much as we fought for it. And what's your solution then to these woke companies? Well, when we look at the principles of the Constitution, one, this is very different in terms of the court battle. And election integrity is still being fought. I'm still an advocate for all of these things. And I think that we are seeing a market change in the country on election integrity, on how people are voting,

because of what happened. And so we can't just look and say, well, because the courts didn't do the right thing in one instance, that means the Constitution is dead. And second, we can't say that Ron DeSantis retaliating against Disney and going outside the limit of his constitutional authority because governments don't have rights. They have limited power. And we agree with him in this instance that that is the solution. We can't ever in this country, we do not ever say that it's up to the government.

government to save us. We say it's up to the government to protect our right to as parents exercise our freedoms, to the church go and speak truth in public without fear of government reprisal. But what we've done as a country and unfortunately, even as conservatives, we have looked at the government as the savior instead of the restrainer. Instead of saying, we have to make sure. But what do you think Ronda Sanders? He's a super smart guy. So what do you think he was thinking here. It strikes me that there's something we're missing. I wish I could ask him because it's, what do you think he was thinking? Well, I'd love for you to have him on your show. I've invited him on mine on my podcast and, you know, no response yet. But my guess, and I don't know

this, but my my guess from talking to other people is that he's probably doing this as a political calculation, knowing that if it's challenged in the courts, he will lose. But the base, who aren't thinking through this logically, will then just blame the court. courts and say, see, you know, the courts are restraining him from doing something wonderful. Instead, and it'll still be a political win. Or what's also a likely possibility is that because the district doesn't actually sunset until next year, basically this doesn't go into effect until next year, there is an entire year for negotiations between Disney and the state of Florida and surrounding counties to maybe roll this back a little bit. And so he's taking the immediate media win instead of

looking at doing the correct constitutional framework. And that's also, if that's the motivation, that's really unfortunate because, again, it's setting up an incredibly bad precedent. Well, this is what's so tricky, right? In other words, again, you and I, this is, you know, why we're friends. We believe that if we, if we trust God and fight the right way, we will win. And if we don't win, God will honor us. In other words, you know, and so a lot of people, they're thinking about this with their emotion. They're thinking, I don't care, you know, do whatever you need to do. I still, I'm not agreeing with you necessarily because I feel like I don't understand it well enough.

But your point is extremely important that we cannot say they threw the rules away, so we're going to throw the rules away. You know, they're going to bring a knife. We're going to bring a gun. We're going to put one of theirs in the morgue. You know, like there's a part of that which I get. But at the same time, we have to really know exactly what we're doing. So Jenna Ellis, thank you so much for coming on the program. I hope my audience heard what you had to say.

God bless you. God bless you, too, Eric. And thank you for having a reasoned discussion. And I really appreciate that you're always a truth seeker. So thank you. Got an old balloon on a street of mud. There at a table dealing stud. Such a dirty man.

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you probably have heard of Sean and his Let Us Worship Movement around the country. Recently, Sean was protesting in front of Disney headquarters. I am so excited to get him on this program. Here he is, my friend, Sean Floyd. Sean, welcome. Hey, thanks so much, man. Good to be with you. I want to hear, I was just talking to Jenna Ellis about the Disney thing.

And she has this very principled understanding of how we fight, right? So it's not a question of whether we fight. When folks like Disney are doing what they're doing, we need to do everything we can that is right, right, to push back. So talk about what you and your family did in Burbank, because I was just so thrilled that you guys did this. Yeah, well, you know, I think just in response, and I have obviously haven't seen everything that Jenna said, but, you know, there's a lot of layers on this for me. Like, I have four kids, right? So age is 11, 9, 7, and 4. And when you come out as an organization with leaked audio and video, honestly admitting brazenly that you are going to target my children, like when that becomes like, when that's like, said overtly, and it's shared out there and it's leaked, that this is your goal, your strategy

is to target my kids. And you are, by the way, wanting to fight with those that want to teach sex to four-year-old. Yeah, I got a problem with that. As a parent, I got a big problem with it. Well, if you don't have a problem with it, something is deeply wrong with you. I think that's the point is that most parents can't even imagine the level of evil. They can't imagine that this is happening at our... They are so obsessed with teaching our four-year-olds about sex.

These people are perverts, man. They're disgusting. They are. And so that for me, like, rouse something up as a father. But let's talk about the legal side of it. I mean, Disney's been taking taxpayer money for years. They've been having sweetheart special privilege deals for years. And if they're going to use their energy to attack families who are

paying for their special privileges, I'm with DeSantis, man. It's time to pull it out. Well, I don't know. I don't know enough, you know, now I wish Jenna were still in the program to have her kind of explain what she's thinking. I don't think there is any doubt. What I want to focus on really is what we can do. I'm not governor, but the point is I want to use my voice to tell people if you don't

fight back, if you do not push back, if you ever, dream of spending another penny in a Disney theme park, you become part of the problem because they have been extraordinarily vocal about their intentions. And I'll tell you something, folks, it's, it's ugly. And this is my heart, Eric, you know, in the 80s you had the moral and the 90s you had to focus on the family, right? If these companies would have done any of this back then, it would have been over. Like James Dobson would have sent out emails. America would have boycott it. Everything would have come to a halt. Here's my issue, Eric, is they don't fear the church anymore. They don't fear evangelicals. They don't think that we have enough

mobilization power and enough unity and enough fighting us. They think we're going to roll over. And so our point in actually going to Burbank to the headquarters and then the next week we went to Disneyland in Anaheim and then in two weeks from now we're going to be going to Disney World. our heart is to show, hey, listen, we're not backing down. Like, we are not backing down. 2022 is the year of the parents. We're going to hold the line. You know, we have a website that we started, Parents Fight Back.

We have, I think, over 70,000 people that have signed our petition. Obviously, you've seen $47 billion lost in their stock value over the last, you know, several weeks. So there's a reckoning coming. And, you know, I think the DeSantis thing has. legality in my mind because you're fighting it on the fact that they should have never had special privileges. They should have never had taxpayer money in the first place. And now they're using that taxpayer money to attack American families. Well, I want to get back to you. You wrote a letter, an open letter to church leaders. It says believers are being shunned, censored, and persecuted for their

beliefs. And you get into some of what you were just talking about. And you and I have talked a little bit. I have a book coming out, probably not until September, called Letter to the American Church. And in its own way, it is exactly about what you just said. Something happened in the American church where we decided, oh, we don't want to be political. And you think political, what do you mean political? If something horrible is happening and your lives are being affected, your neighbors are being affected, the poor are being affected, everyone's being affected, and you're going to keep your mouth shut, What is wrong with you?

What kind of fake gospel are you preaching that you're afraid to speak up on these issues? That to me is the heart of what you have in your open letter to church leaders. That we don't have the right to pretend that we could just be in our little religious corner. There's a battle being waged in our culture. And if the church doesn't speak, why wouldn't we speak? I guess that's the question. Yeah, I mean, you fight for the things that you love, you know? and I deeply love the church.

I've grown up in my whole life. My parents are pastors and full-time missionaries. And we have to fight right now to awaken the bride, to remember who she is, to remember what she's called to. This is not a nice Christian club. Jesus said, on this rock, I'll build my church, my ecclesia, ruling body government,

and the gates of hell will not prevail. Right now you have the infanticide bill in California, which wants to allow the killing of a child up until they're 28 days old. Okay, stop right there. Folks, we're not making this up. It's hard. It's hard to believe this is real.

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It's pronounced Foyt. I can't make it and tell of it, but that's what he says. Sean Foyt. Okay, Sean Foyt, you just were talking about the church being the church and fighting for what is right. And you reference a bill in California. You live in California. This is frankly incomprehensible to me. There's levels of wickedness. I don't know.

I mean, I think a lot of people just don't want to look at it because it's too horrible. They just want to pretend. I'm just going to go on with my little happy church life, but I don't want to get involved. Yeah, it's assembly bill two, two, two, three, you know, the infanticide bill. And it blows my mind that people across America are not raging on this. And here's why it allows the killing of a baby up until a 28 days old after they're already born. How is that even possible?

Can you please explain that to me? I don't really get that. I mean, it's in the bill. It's in the bill. It's absolutely insane. It's the most radicalized pro-abortion bill that we've ever seen in the history of our lifetime. And right now it's being waited to be signed into law. on the governor's desk. I think it passed that passed both the House and the Senate. And listen,

pastors and leaders across America should be raising a ruckus right now. Like we have a couple in California, you know, and we're protesting on the on the Capitol and stuff. But Eric, so goes California. So goes the nation. We saw that with no fault divorce under Reagan. We saw that with, you know, gay marriage in San Francisco. I mean, it's a pattern-setting thing. And we have to rise up right now. I mean, this is demonic. Well, what is their excuse? In other words, I'm just trying to think, like, why would... It's one thing for somebody to say, oh, you know, it's women's reproductive rights, abortion, abortion, abortion.

How do you go past birth? Like, that is, you know, Mollock. That is, that is, you know, it's murder on, by any standards, by the most pro-abortion standard, killing a human being after they're born. So what is it that they in California are thinking about this? I don't get it. This is how polarized it's become. This is how demonic the far left has become.

It is so, it is simply outrageous. And these people think that they're going to get away with it. And they think that we're not going to know. And they think that we're just going to be, you know, they're banking on Christians being powerless and feeling like they don't have a voice and feeling numb to the, to the demonic. evil that they perpetuate. But I'm telling you, as I said, Eric, in the open letter that I wrote and released, like, the post-COVID church looks different, and we are rising up. I mean, we've seen it,

we've seen it with parents in Virginia. We're seeing it right now against this fight against Disney, and we need to see the fight for life. And it's almost as if as the Dobbs case comes to a head at the Supreme Court, you know, it's happening this spring. You're talking about the, You're talking about the case that will, in all likelihood, overturned Roe v. Wade, which is going to be in June. It's almost like the squealing of the demons is getting louder in these really blue states across America. And I think that's what you're seeing in California. Well, I guess my question, and I can answer these questions myself, but since I have a guest, I'll let you answer it. Because I think about this day and night, and it's why you and I are friends, how do you think it's possible that big pastors,

names that, you know, bold-name pastors that we've heard for years as public Christians are not taking the stand that you're taking and understanding of a vital need to speak out. What do you think is going through their minds? Because I can't fathom it. I mean, I think it's a lot of things. I think people are afraid of being canceled. They're being afraid of being censored. They're afraid of losing their, you know, members of their church.

They want to find a way to straddle the fence. want to be relevant. They want all this stuff. And I just feel like, Eric, like this, we are living in polarizing times. Like, you cannot sit in the middle anymore. You cannot sit in the gray area anymore. The gray area is gone. I mean, it is like you have to choose this day who you're going to serve. And, you know, we're seeing right before our eyes in America the death of the cool church. And I think that that's a really good thing. The death of the cool church? Is that what you said? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Good riddance. Yeah, and I think it's a good, I think it's a good thing.

I think that we tried too hard for too many years and put too many resources to try to look cool to the world and to try to look palatable and to try, you know, a big part of my letter is James 4-4. Let's unfriend the world. Let's unfriend the world. Why do we ever think that we were supposed to be? The Bible says that if you're friends with the world, you're an enemy against, you're an enemy with God. And so, like, we can't, we can't be a people anymore that way. in this in this middle place. And I think that when we decide and pastors take a stand and we saw it during COVID,

they're like, I don't give a rip what the trolls think. I don't give a rip what the left thinks. I don't care what politicians think. We're going to do church because this is the right thing to do. It's like this boldness comes on you. This courage comes on you. And people are attracted to boldness. They're attracted to courage.

That's it right there. That is exactly it right there. You want to know what's cool. Having courage is cool. standing up for what is right is cool. And paying a price is cool because sometimes you have to pay a price. This weekend, I'm going to be in your state speaking in Mike McClure's church in San Jose. He has been a hero with a handful of California pastors.

And I want to be around those people. I don't want to be around somebody who is like concerned with me. I want to be cool and relevant. And I, you know, I think you're right that we've run out of. There's no neutral at this point. If people are putting things out as satanic as what Disney is putting out, as satanic as what the California legislature is putting out, I don't understand how anybody thinks it's okay to say, well, I'm not going to take a position on that. You know, okay. How about like burning Jews?

How about the Holocaust? Are you willing to take a position on that? What are you willing to take a position on? Do you have any values, anything? Yeah. And the hard part, like my heart behind the letter, Eric, is that the boldest, most courageous fighters that we see right now are politicians. And it's never good when the church follows politicians. Like, this is the problem.

Like, Desanta shouldn't be the one raging the hardest against Disney. It should be spiritual leaders. It should be fathers and mothers across America that have platforms that rise up. But we're abdicating our authority as the church to politicians. and it never works out good. So that's why I'm saying this is the hour for leaders across the body of Christ to rise up. Well, you and I know a few that have. I was just mentioning in your state in California,

I've become friends with a bunch of pastors in California who have been unbelievably bold. And their churches, and this is the irony, their churches have exploded. They have like triple five times as many people as before. So you kind of want to say to the people that are afraid, to speak up. You know what? You're actually the exact opposite is happening. We're going to be right back. We're talking to Sean Foyt. Don't go away. Folks, I'm talking to Sean Foyt. Let us worship. Sean, where are you going to be in the weeks ahead? Because you're just like doing events everywhere.

You're rallying people. Where are you going to be? Well, we have, you know, we have our 12 lettuce worship events that we're doing. We're hand pick cities we felt like the Lord called us to across America. And the next one we're going to is actually Boulder, Colorado. That's going to be in late May. We're really, really excited about that. Isn't that the one I'm going to be with you? Thousands. I'm going to be with you, my friend. The day before. Yeah. Hold the line. Yeah. There you go. Okay. And you're welcome to come rumble with us in Boulder, but we're going to be on the college campus, the college campus there, Colorado University in a stadium. It's going to be

amazing. And then actually, a week before that, we're going to be down in Orlando, Florida, at the front of Disney World. So we've done Disney headquarters in Burbank, Disneyland in Anahon. Now we're going to be rumbling in Disney World on May 16th, really to keep the heat on Disney. And I expect to have thousands out there. I think it's going to be crazy. Okay. So if people want to find out, by the way, what's the website?

Because I want people to show up at this. Folks, you need to be there. It's fightback.com. Parents fight back. Parents fight back. Fantastic. Okay. So where else you're going to be? And then on the 17th of May, we're going to be gathering behind the abortion clinic in Washington, D.C., where those five fully formed babies were discovered. Outside of the abortion clinic, justice for the five. I'm sure you've seen that story of what was discovered, the horrors of that, and the inability for the D.C. police to prosecute. or even look into it. And so we're going to bring some awareness to that. That's going to be in the 17th of May. And then, of course, we'll be in Colorado.

And then we're going to be in Chicago next month. And we're going to be in Detroit and in New York, Pennsylvania, or Philadelphia. And then everything's leading up to October 22nd on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. You can go to Lettisworship. com to find out all that info. We're real, real excited. Are you going to have the Thunderbirds flying over the National Mall? Like, what's going to, what's that?

Bald Eagles. We got Bald Eagles. We've got Thunderbirds. We've got a lot of stuff planned. Well, do you ever think, like, how strange it is, though, that you have become, like, this voice and that there are so few others? I mean, this is what I find the most extraordinary to me. You were talking about in the past we had, you know, a number of figures that understood we've got to stand. But they were demonized.

A lot of the people that are on the political left these days who are. Christians have demonized those who would stand up for values. And you think, well, how is that even a political thing? It's a Christian thing. And why are some people somehow, they're just, they're afraid to get into it. I mean, we've talked about that a minute ago, but I just find it to be the headline of our time, that people are hungry for truth. They're hungry for courage. And a lot of the people that you might expect to speak up have been silent. Well, yeah. And as I mentioned we're we're delegating our authority to people that are fighting like desantis like Elon Musk like Joe Rogan like and there's nothing wrong with these guys I'm grateful for what

they're doing I'm super grateful but where are the church leaders like where are the where are the church gangsters if you will that are rising up you know like you had pat robinson back in the day you had you know uh you know like I mentioned focus on the family you had some of these guys that would that would rise up. We need a whole new breed of these people. And I think what the young leaders don't understand is that most of these issues right now, like America doesn't want the sexualization of their children at four years old. Most of America is against Disney. We can see that in their stock price. We can see that in the subscriptions being dropped. Most of America doesn't want babies killed 28 days after they're born. I mean, these are issues that are winning issues.

These are basic, basic issues, and we will continue to fight. My friend, Sean Foyt, God bless you, and I hope to see you again, my friend. Thank you so much for coming on today. I'll see you very soon.