The Eric Metaxas Show - Jennifer Morse

Episode Date: September 21, 2023

Jennifer Morse on her book: The Sexual State: How Elite Ideologies are Destroying Lives and Why the Church Was Right All Along. TAN Books Sent from my iPhone

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Anyway, here's the guy who's not always that easy to digest. Eric Pataxon. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the show. A number of years ago, somebody alerted me to the existence of one Jennifer Morris, who is the founder and president of the Ruth Institute. I had her as my guest at Socrates in the city. we've had her on the program of a number of times,

but it's been a while, and I'm excited to have her back to talk about some important things. So Jennifer Morris, welcome back. Thanks for having me, Eric. It was great. You know, that was back in the day when I talked to you at Socrates of the city. That was back when gay marriage was still considered a debatable topic. And now that's completely off the table,

and we're on to the next thing, you know, that we're all supposed to accept. That's the point. So you talk a little bit about the Ruth Institute. You're the founder and president of that. And then I want to talk about your book, The Sexual State. It's all unfortunately very important. But I'm just glad to have you because, you know, people try to process this stuff.

And you're one of the voices that's been processing it for a long time. Yes. Yes. Well, thank you. Thank you for that. Yeah. So the Ruth Institute is an international interfaith coalition to defend the family and build a civilization of love. and we really are international and we really are interfaith, Eric.

I have people working on my staff, actually, you know, who are Orthodox, Mormon, Jewish, evangelical, you know, but we're trying to defend the ancient Christian teaching that is the heritage or the common heritage of the whole Christian tradition, which is one man, one woman for life, get married, stay married, only have sex with the person you're married to. You have to admit that would solve a lot of problems, you know, if we only had sex with the person we were married to. or even with their own bodies, which is what the whole transgender movement is about. So the Ruth Institute tries to present a unified front explaining what's wrong with the sexual revolution, not just the thing that's happening right now, not just the thing that's happening in the last five minutes, but, you know, the 10, 20, 30, 40 years don't let up to it.

So that people can have a comprehensive look at what's really going on here. And there's so much going on here. And I think that what I always say, at least the last year, I say it's about reality. God created this thing we call reality. In the founding documents, they say nature's God. The God who created nature, all that exists in nature, he, you know, it's not malleable. You know, you cannot really change what God created. And what we are dealing with now, as I see it, is a war.

on God and God's reality. There are people that are so horrified by God and by his reality. They want to undo it. They want to burn it down. They want to deconstruct it. And that's, of course, where we are with the transgender movement. It's lunacy. Anybody with ICC understands this is crazy, but somehow, and it's difficult for a lot of us to process, there are people taking this utterly, seriously. There are doctors making millions of dollars. It's beyond anything we could have imagined

25 years ago. Yes, and I think you put your finger on a couple of things that are really important to draw out. And that is that we think because we have science, that we can manipulate nature any way we want. And in particular, that we can remake human nature. So we can

remake the body, as you're pointing to with transgenderism. But before that, we've been trying to remit make the human desire for love, the human desire to be, you know, to be in permanent relationship, the bond between husband and wife, the bond between sex partners, which is completely natural. The whole body attaches, you know, when you have sex, when women have sex, their oxytocin gets rolling, you know, and we get attached to our sex partners. People attach to their babies. People are not indifferent to whether they're taking care of their own child or somebody else's child.

And we're at war with all of that, you know, the whole abortion. issue is trying to break down the connection between the mother and the baby, all the debates on marriage and the promotion of the hookup culture is trying to break down the bond between the husband and the wife, the mother and the father, the sexual bond, you know, which is designed by God to be permanent and to be and to be loving and to be self-giving, not simply to be an instrument for physical pleasure, you know. And so we've been at war with all these things for so long, well, this next step seems like a big yawn, you know, to the people who have kind of casually bought into all of this stuff, like, well, what do you mean? I could have sex with

anybody I want. I don't have to keep a baby. If a baby comes, that's natural. I don't like that part of nature. So we're going to get rid of that. Well, why not erase the minds of the city? So that's where people's minds are, Eric, you know, and so that's why I think it's important for us to, you know, to really go to the first principles, right? It's interesting. Two things. things come to my mind, you know, antecedents to this. We all, you know, those of us who live in the post-enlightenment era, which would be all of us, we love to look back and mock. Oh, in the middle ages, they were involved in alchemy. Ha, ha, isn't that preposterous? What a joke. There were these people trying to use science, you know, to turn lead into gold. What idiots they were. Now we know

that that can never happen and how dumb they were and how enlightened we are. And you realize transgender is just modern day alchemy. It's the idea that we can turn X into Y, that we can turn lead or lead into gold. It is not possible, but there are spending millions and millions, billions of dollars trying preposterously to pull it off. So it's modern day alchemy. There's just no question that it is not possible. and that in the future at some point, should the Lord Terry in returning, people are going to look back and say, can you believe that people can you imagine that human beings actually did this?

Yes, I think that's exactly right. I think, you know, 100 years from now, people are going to look back on us and say, what were they thinking? What were they thinking that they thought they could get away with this? And, you know, another point about the transgenderism that really, I think, comes out of my book, the sexual state. The subtitle of the sexual state, Eric, is how elite ideologies are destroying lives and why the church was right all along. Okay. And basically, what you can see with transgenderism is that it is a top-down elitist thing. It's being driven by people with lots of money. It's being

driven by the media. It's being propped up and promoted, actively promoted by the state by agents of the government, which you can see, you know, if you want to go through examples, we can see all kinds of examples of that. The most recent being in California, California, basically trying to take custody of children if their parents are not sufficiently affirming, you know. And the point I want to make to all of your followers and listeners, Eric, is that there's no mass movement demanding transgenderism. There's no grassroots movement here. There's nothing bubbling up from the people. You know, it's all coming from the top down. And so now you have to ask yourself, why are they doing this to us? What are they after? You know, and you put your finger on

one part of it is that some people are making a lot of money off of this. No question about that. But the other thing is, I think for a lot of these people, Eric, it gets a power trip. You know, if I can make you say Bruce Jenner is a woman, the 1976 male decafalon gold medal winner, if I can make you say that person is a woman. And not only is he a woman now, he always was secretly a woman. He just didn't know it. And now we know Bruce Jenner is a woman. People can make you say something like that. They can make you say anything, right?

And so for some people, that's a big buzz. You know, that's a big draw to be able to boss people around with that. You know, when we're talking about antecedents, literary antecedents, one, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the idea that we can chop up body parts and create something. That's, you know, the modern Prometheus. as God. So there's something demonic about it. It is also not possible because as we say, God created reality. These things are not possible any more than you can turn lead into gold. It isn't possible. So the story of Frankenstein is a cautionary tale. H. G. Charles wrote the

island of Dr. Moreau, which is very similar, folks, if you haven't read that one. But the idea that through science, we can manipulate things according to our own wishes. And as you said, Dr. Morris, it is a power trip for some people. We need to talk more about this. We're going to go to a break. Folks, don't forget Mypillow.com. Please use the code Eric. We'll be right back.

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And you said it's a power trip. If people can get you to say that Bruce Jenner is a woman and always was a woman, it's, they can get you to say anything. And it reminds me, since I'm talking about literary antecedents in 1984, in the book 1984, George Orwell talks about the party, big brother, whining to get people to say two plus two equals five. Why? Not because it's true, but the sheer power of getting someone to lie, to speak in untruth, it's ultimately demonic. I want to say that, you know, so people don't have to flip to the back of the book to check out what I think this is. It's ultimately demonic. It's pure power, unmoored from reality.

And it's just extremely dark. It's extremely dark. But your book is the sexual state. and I assume you talk about a lot of these things in the book, the sexual state. Yes, yes. But before we go there, I want to go back to Frankenstein because you mentioned Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. It's funny you say that, Eric, because some of the detransitioners, Clay Cole, for example,

said, I feel like a monster. I feel like a monster. This is the young lady. She just turned 19. and she had her, she started the transition process when she was 13, double mastectomy when she was 15, tried to start detransitioning at age 16. I had her on my show, my video podcast, and she has said publicly numerous times, I feel like a monster after what was done to her.

Yeah. I mean, what they're doing, of course, this, I mean, this reminds me of, you know, when we're talking about the same-sex marriage debate, nobody ever wants to talk about what we're actually talking about. Yeah, yeah, that's true. And when you had Phil Robertson, the patriarch of Duck Dynasty, referring to the act, the physical act of what same-sex is, everyone freaked out because you're not to talk about that. You're supposed to frame it in terms of love and love who you want, whatever.

And he referred to it and people lost their minds. Similarly, if you talk about the details of what is happening in these transgender surgeries, there was a case not long ago, maybe two months ago, I think it was in Denmark, where a young boy died. And even saying on the air, it's difficult to say it. I want to figure out a euphemism. But they were using a part of his rectum or intestines. This is these doctors, okay, to create, quote, unquote, a vagina for him. And as a result of that, infection set in and he died.

Here that they're trying to create a vagina. I mean, ladies and gentlemen, biologically, do you understand how insanely complex our sexual organs are? The idea that you're creating this thing like, you know, it really is extremely complex. And when you start looking at it, it's very gruesome. It's horrifying. It's repulsive. And then you have to ask Dr. Morris, how can these doctors live with themselves? We talk about the Nazi doctors, Mengel and others doing unspeakable things. How can these doctors do it? It is unbelievable. It's simply. I think it's a case study in self-deception and power tripping, you know.

Similar case, the reverse case, I heard of a girl who wanted to be a boy, she wanted to be able to pee standing up. And so they tried to create the fake penis for her. And they used skin from her arm to construct this fake thing that, of course, can never be. And I just want to say to the audience for everybody to think about that, you know, when Eric dies and I die, we're going to be, you know, 100 years from now, we'll be nothing but bones.

Somebody comes across Eric Skelet. they will know it's a male skeleton. They come across my skeleton. They will know it's a female skeleton. And that's true of Richard Levine, who now calls himself Rachel and who walks around as the first female rear admiral or whatever it is that he is.

You know, then that's another whole dimension of this thing. The way men are taking over honors and awards and positions that should be for women, it's totally racial of women. And this is a way in which gay marriage, I mean, there are a couple of ways in which gay marriage really paved the way for transgenderism. And just as a historical fact, let me point out that as soon as gay marriage happened, within a year, they were already then talking in a big way about transgenderism.

Within a year of that, the Obama administration came down with its directives, its dear colleagues letter that was supposed to be not really legally binding, but everybody knew that the Department of Education was going to be all over you if you didn't do what they said about the bathrooms and all that. In very short order after gay marriage, we have the whole push for transgenderism. But gay marriage had a way of, what do they say, erasing women? And transgenderism is all about erasing women, right? Two men, you got a guy like Dave Rubin and his boyfriend, Dave, you know, and they talk about how, oh, you know, we're preparing for these babies, you know, and we're so enlightened and we're so thoughtful. and we've got a whole freezer full of breast milk.

And I'm sitting here going, you know, okay, there was a woman who donated eggs to you two guys, or two different women probably. There were two different women who were surrogates for you guys. All this breast milk that you got from some other collection of women, you've probably got nannies and female role models and stuff like it. What have you done? But erase a whole batch of women who are biologically important to your child.

and you've just wiped all those women out of the picture. You know, whereas mom and dad, when I had a baby and I was only blessed to have one baby, right, I was the egg donor, I was the gestational mom, I was the nursing mom, and I was there with that kid every day, you know. And that's the human way of reproducing. We procreate, you know, we, and we as Christians, Eric, I think we should insist on this, that the word, the correct word is procreation. We procreate in cooperation with Almighty God. We don't just reproduce like rabbits, you know. We are human creatures, body and soul. And God has something special in mind for us.

Well, it's interesting because if you have a truly biblical view, which is a Hebraic view of the world, you understand that it's not a Gnostic view. It's not a Greek or an Eastern view that says, you know, body, bad, spirit, good. No, wrong. Right. Right. Bible.

You know, Jesus was enflashed, incarnated, became a human being to ennoble and redeem humanity. God originally created us good. So the idea that we can somehow divorce ourselves from nature, ultimately it's wanting to get a divorce from God, who's the author of nature. And people need to understand how this is connected, that to be grounded in our bodies, in our physicality, to be grounded in the world, not just looking at screens, not just manipulating images and pixels and ones and zeros. There's something fundamental.

And we finally have the technology to pull away from it. And we see that it's really wicked. It's not just, you know, like we're adding something or we're discovering something. We're really trying to divide our. from who we are intrinsically. I mean, the idea that a man could divide himself from being a man and become a woman, we know it's preposterous, we know it's impossible, but the spiritual impetus behind it is ugly. It's anti-God. Yeah, I think that's really true. I mean, because the Christian tradition, which is, again, this is the common heritage of the whole Christian

tradition, right, is to say that we are creatures composed of body and soul. made in the image and likeness of God. Okay, and so which part of that are we complaining about here? People, come on, you know, I mean, this is what we think we are, right? And that's why I think, Eric, all these debates over sexuality and debates over marriage and these kind of things, they're really asking fundamentally the question, who are we? You know, the early church had to wrestle with the question, who is this guy, Jesus? You know, is he God? Is he man? Is he one? Is he three?

What the heck is going on here? You know, in the early church spent, you know, four, five hundred years, getting all that sorted out. Well, we should know who Jesus is. You know, we have all that now. But we don't know who we are, right? We don't know who we as human beings are. We don't know what's going to make us happy. We don't, because when we separate ourselves from God and we start making stuff up ourselves,

you know, inevitably, it just doesn't work as well. I don't know. Have you ever noticed that, you know, stuff? Say, it's like you're, it's like, you know, betting against the house. always because God created reality. Now, you don't believe that. If you believe either there's no such thing as reality, which is an Eastern view, or you believe that you can manipulate reality. There's no fundamental reality. But the fact is, keep trying, folks. You're kicking against the goads. You can't win.

You can't turn lead into gold. You can spend a few centuries goofing around and trying, but you won't be able to do it. It's reality. We're going to be right back talking to Dr. Jennifer Robach Morse. The book is The Sexual State. And you can find her at the Ruth Institute. We'll be right back. I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down.

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I'm talking to Dr. Jennifer Roback Morris with the Ruth Institute. What's the website for the Ruth Institute? Ruth Institute.org. That's the easiest way to get to all of our things. But we also have, in addition to Ruth Institute.org, we have a Facebook page, just the Ruth Institute. And we also have a YouTube channel and a channel on locals so you can find us all of those places.

your book is the sexual state. What do you mean by that phrase, the sexual state? I call it the sexual state because for two reasons. Number one, without the help of the state, we would not have the sexual revolution at all. Okay. I mean, it's just in my opinion, in my considered opinion based on history and reason and evidence, it's a creation of the state, okay? And the second meaning of the term is, of course, we're all in an over-sexualized state,

the time now as a result of the sexual revolution. And so the subtitle of the book says how elite ideologies are destroying lives and how the church was right all along. Okay. And so the sexual revolution, if you trace it back, it's been a rebellion against the Christian's sexual ethics from the very beginning, a claim that all of the taboos against things, the Christian taboos, thou shalt not this and that. All of that was unnecessary. limitations on our freedom. The taboos are a problem. Taboos are making people crazy and neurotic.

Let's just get rid of all that. Everything will be fine. And that has been one disaster after another, because those taboos actually protected something important, and we've lost sight of what that is. So we spend a lot of time at the Ruth Institute trying to draw that out for people to see what it is. We've been taught that it's all negative.

But in fact, the Christian tradition protects the interests of children first and foremost, far better than any alternatives. And it also protects the interests of mothers and fathers in having a involved and intimate relationship with one another and with their children, you know, so that people can't be kicked out or separated from their children without some kind of very good reason. You know, so the Christian sexual ethic keeps that family together.

That's really what it's about. And whenever it's interesting, whenever you have an atheistic state, whether it's modern-day China or the Soviet Union, Union. It is always at war with God and with God's family, with the idea of the family, always at war with the natural, you know, one of the little platoons, the family, these things that are ultimately non-negotiable. God created the family. God created marriage. He created us male and female. And it's fascinating when you pull God out or when you pull away from God, you inevitably are at war with these. realities and you are anti-family, anti-marriage, and then ultimately anti-man and anti-woman. It's rather unbelievable. And you could also say in as much as we are now destroying women because of the transgender lunacy, we're destroying children because now obviously the transgender activists

are doing what people would say almost mockingly, oh, they're coming for your children. Now they're actually doing that. It's an unthinkable rubicon to cross. I didn't ever think that we would cross that line. And that I think the good news is that I think a lot of people are waking up because it has come to this level where crazy people are demanding that they should be able to talk to your little kids about what sex or what gender they are. I mean, that's a line that I think a lot of people

that ordinarily would just be going with the flow, suddenly they say, no, I'm not going to buy this. Yes. And I'm glad you brought that up because they really are coming for your kids, you know, and we're running a little campaign here in September for back to school, you know, talking about how they're coming for your kids and exposing some of the things that are going on in the schools and, you know, just how bad things are. Eric, a little bit ago, I did a talk. Actually, it was for the eighth day symposium in Wichita, Kansas. I don't know if you're familiar with those guys. It's an orthodox outfit. That's why I thought you might know of them.

Anyway, they put on a symposium every year. They invited me to talk. And I gave a talk called Baked in from the Beginning, pedophilia and the sexual revolution. And what I mean by that, I'm not saying all the sexual revolutionaries were themselves pedophiles. I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that the system they constructed was a system that systematically ignored the interests of children. And so therefore, in their minds, in order to make this all okay, they had to redefine childhood. So you see this very, you see it with Freud, see Wilhelm Reich, you see it with, Kinsey didn't really say anything about this, but in their backs of their minds, they have the idea children are sexual beings, what children really need is the opportunity to experiment without judgment. Their parents need to leave them alone, to do whatever they want with other kids.

And if parents would just not freak out, the kids would be fine. They wouldn't be upset by this. And oh, by the way, kids are so resilient. But if mom and dad decide to switch out their sex partners periodically, that's not going to bother the kids. Because the kids are really sexual beings themselves. And if mom and dad are happy, the kids would be happy. You know, this is their redefinition of childhood. And that is exactly what is being taught in schools in the United States and schools around the world.

The United Nations is explicitly talking like that. Children have sexual rights. That's how they talk. And this would be like, you know, teachers saying to kids in school, you know, why don't you spend recess playing in traffic? Like there's a lot of buses and fast cars and motorbikes and why don't you just go out there because you're resilient and your parents don't need to know. Just do what you can. Do what you feel like doing. Everything will be fine.

We know what would happen. And that's effectively what people are telling children to do. When you tell children to experiment sexually, you're telling them to play in traffic. They're going to get harmed forever if they do this. People, as I said, I think people are waking up because of how radical and how quickly this has become so radical. Talking to Jennifer Roebuck Morris with the Ruth Institute. We'll be right back. Welcome back.

We're talking to Jennifer Roback Morris. who's the head of the Ruth Institute. The website is ruth institute.org institute.org. Institute.org. The book is the sexual state where you touch on pretty much everything we're talking about here. We have to mention Freud because it's so interesting to me how most of us were raised to, like, trust science. And Freud, who in many ways was a confused... charlatan. I mean, just ridiculous. You know, he used scientific language so that people would kind of

listen to him like he's a scientist. And he had lots of theories and stuff. But at the heart of his theories is the idea that the sexual drive, the libido is everything, which is, of course, a lie from the pit of hell. If all you are is a creature, you know, designed to reproduce, you have no meaning. You have no intrinsic meaning. You're just an animal designed to. to reproduce, then Freud would be right, and then all of his theories would be right. But it's a complete destruction of the idea that human beings are beautiful features made in the image of God with a divine purpose in our years on this earth. And it's fascinating how the world accommodated Freud and accommodated Kinsey and accommodated

others who really spread these secular lies as though they were science. when the fact is they are not science, ultimately they're anti-science. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Kinsey, because it's not simply that the secular world allowed Kinsey, okay? And I show this in my book, The Sexual State. Eric, the Rockefeller Foundation financed his work. The Rockefeller Foundation promoted his work. A group of statisticians came together after the first Kinsey report and said,

this is really stupid. This is bad sampling. It doesn't meet any of this. ordinary criteria of scientific drawing conclusions from a set of data. This is a bunch of baloney, and the Rockefeller Foundation ground on continuing to promote him and support him. To this day, they have it on their website, how proud they are that they supported it out for Kinsey, you know.

And honestly, if it weren't for the Rockefeller Foundation, Kinsey would be a two-bit bug doctor that nobody would ever heard of, a guy with a personal masturbation problem, because that's what he really was. And so I want to take what you said and just take it further, you know, that it's not just that we accommodated these people, but there are people in positions of power and influence who promoted it. And I think there are three big reasons why this happened. One is for money, which we've already mentioned. There's certain people making money on certain aspects of sexual revolution. Second is power, you know, the idea that you can have the opportunity to manipulate people.

And three, personal self-indulgence. Let's not leave that off the table. You know, there are plenty of, you know, Jeffrey Epstein was not the first person to go off the real sexually, you know. And so what this whole body of thought did was it gave people a set of excuses, permission slips, you could say, to do what people have always wanted to do, which is to cheat on their spouses and get away with it, and to have sex on their own terms and get away with it.

That's what we all have that. we have that fallen nature, you know, that we want to misuse the sexual faculties that God has given us. And Christianity has always said, whoa, you don't get to do whatever you can get away with, you know, even if you can get away with it, you can't do that, you know. And now you've got a bunch of people with, you know, scientific and credentials and money and so on saying, sure, you can, no problem, you know, kind of thing. And I think that's a big part of why we're seeing what we're seeing. It's astonishing how a handful of billionaires are financial. the sexual revolution, Eric. There's no question about that. It is extraordinary. And, you know,

I think that we want to say it again and again. I want to say it again and again. You're playing against the house. You can't win. Reality always wins in the end. You can spend all the money you want. You're never going to turn lead into gold. So if you're into alchemy, it's a mugs game. You can't win. And when you're talking about reinventing reality about who human beings are and spinning this yarn, this narrative, that we are nothing, that we are these animals, I mean, this goes back to obviously the Darwin. We come from nowhere by accident. We're going nowhere. Our lives have no meaning. There's just this reproductive instinct that keeps the species going.

And all of these lies, I mean, they're fundamentally lies because we are created in God's image. our lives do have meaning. And I think what's funny to me, Jennifer, is that the more science actually learns, the more we learn the truth. In other words, science can go off on a rabbit trail, but eventually it has to come back because you're dealing with this thing called reality. And you can't really, you can't get away from it too far. And I think that part of what we're seeing with the detransitioners, like I think that,

you know, there's enough time. It's kind of like with divorce. Like everybody says, divorce is great. eventually you have the numbers and the statistics to show the harm done to children because of divorce. The same thing with the transitioning stuff, that over time, a lot of these people say, I made a terrible mistake. Why did you let me do this? Now I'm going to sue the doctors. I'm going to sue my parents. I'm going to sue who let me do this. So there's kind of a boomerang effect that eventually you begin to have to deal with what you've done. Well, I certainly

hope that that's the case because what we what we see is that the mistakes that people are making today are bigger and more destructive and harder to recover from than the mistakes that you and I made back in the 60s you know you and are roughly the same vintage I think and you know and so we can remember when a lot of these new ideas came up and oh that sounds great you know and then you figured out for yourself like craminy what was I thinking you know why would I think that this would work but you know when you chop off healthy body parts that's a lot of hard to recover from the broken hearts that so many young people have when they engage in the hookup culture. And that's been known for a long time, Eric. I mean, I can remember reading

research papers back in the 90s, you know, teenage girls being depressed over their hookups, you know, kind of thing. So that's been known for a long time, and yet we still promote it. We're still talking about it, which makes me think, honestly, we're losing science. I mean, it's funny you keep bringing up alchemy and how proud we are of our modern scientists and stuff. If you really look at what's happening to us, science has become so politicized that it's not science anymore. You know, if the guy who writes the checks is the only guy who gets to say what the truth is or ultimately gets to say what the truth is, that's not science anymore. Science, I mean actual science. I don't know. I know what you meant, but, you know.

But one of the big casualties here is that for a number of reasons, certain things are not allowed to be talked about. I mean, we've had videos taken down off our channel because we will come back for a final segment because this is actually very important, folks. We're talking about science and fake science ideology. The Nazis were involved in it. The Soviets were involved in it. It's inevitable. When you don't like God, you're going to have problems with the world they created and you're going to have a problem with science. We'll be right back.

Folks, I'm talking to Dr. Jennifer Robeck-Morris, the author of The Sexual State. an important book. She's the founder and president of the Ruth Institute. You can go to ruth institute.org. I hope you will. We're talking about science, Jennifer, and we're talking about the idea that, you know, ideologies.

I mean, the Nazis said, this is truth. We don't care about reality and actual truth. We're creating a truth, a racial version of truth. We're trying to create a universe in our own image. And so what you end up doing is you end up tying yourself in knots because you say any science done by a Jewish doctor is Jewish science. So we're going to throw that away. So you end up trying to create a universe that it cannot be sustained. The science that the Nazis did eventually, of course, it eats itself. And that's kind of what is happening now when you have people motivated by money and other things other than reality and truth and the actual scientific method.

So they're going off on these rabbit trails, but eventually they hit a brick wall. You can't invent, you can't reinvent the universe. you're stuck. I'll give you just one very specific example that goes back to kind of one of the earliest stages of the sexual revolution, and that is the concern that there is a statistically significant increased likelihood of breast cancer for women who have procured abortions. Okay. That has been studied since the 1950s going all the way back into Japan, and studies across

the world have found this statistical link, okay? and there's an understanding of the scientific mechanism by which that might happen. Well, I interviewed a guy who was active in gathering that research. He told us, in my interview with him, Eric, he explained how the National Institutes of Health basically suppressed that and came up with a consensus view that there is no connection. Abortion is perfectly safe. And they did it by basically not inviting anybody who disagreed. Well, that interview that I did with him, YouTube took it down.

You've censored my video about censorship. So if you want to see that, you can't find it under a YouTube channel anymore. You have to go to our locals channel where we have preserved that interview with Dr. Brin because it's very important that we have a record, that we have an accurate record of how they manipulated science. Well, again, it's just so fascinating to me that all they can do is say, shut up, go away. I'm not interested in your truth or your facts or your science. They can't win. They have to suppress truth.

And they have to. But, you know, the truth will out, as Shakespeare said. The universe is created by God in such a way that eventually the truth will out. It's inevitable. You cannot win playing against the house. God created the universe and the reality in which we live. So we're living in extraordinary times and we have to speak out and we have to understand how it's happening while it's happening and we have to fight against it. And so I just want to thank you, Dr. Jennifer Robach, Morse, for all you've been doing over the years.

The book is the sexual state. And if people go to ruth institute.org, I assume they can get a copy of the sexual state there. But what else do they find at ruth institute.org? You can find, at Ruth Institute.org, you can certainly find this book and my other five books that I've written or co-authored. And we recently put together an e-book, which is completely free. It's called refuting the top five gay myths. And if you download that e-book, you can get it just by sending us your email address, you know, basically, and we'll send it to you right away for free. Basically, it shows that no one is born gay and people can change their sexual orientation and that therapy is not harmful to people. Okay. And those are, very important things. Those things have been scientifically demonstrated. You need this e-book people. You need this to defend yourself.

It's like now I want to do another hour. We don't have time. So people can find that. What's the title again? The five? Refuting the top five gay myths. To rootith institute.org. Dr. Jennifer Roeback-Morse.

Thank you so much. Thank you, Eric. It's been a pleasure.