The Eric Metaxas Show - Jeremy Carl

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

Jeremy Carl on his book: The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart

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Happy Thursday in Spanish. It's the 2nd of May. I just looked on my calendar. At the end of this month, I'm going to be in Montana. Is this possible? I'm going to be in Calispell, Montana at the end of the month. In June, I'm going to be at Sea Island, Georgia. the next week in June.

I'm going to be in Seattle again. I'm all over the place. But today, Thursday, this morning, I spoke at a prayer breakfast in Rochester, Michigan. Rochester, Michigan today spoke at a big prayer breakfast. Later today, I'm flying today to Lexington, Kentucky. Why? You ask? Why?

because friends of ours have invited us to be with them at the Kentucky Derby. Yes, yes, we're going to be at the Kentucky Derby, which is run on Saturday. So I'm in Michigan now. I'm going to be in Kentucky later today. I'm going to be there for the Kentucky. So to be clear, your friends are not horses who are running in the Derby who have invited you. Well, I've had some horses. friends, but I don't want to.

Okay. These are people that are in that world. Maybe they own a horse or two. They're in that world. Maybe they have some horses in the race, maybe. Got it. Now, tell me. Wait, wait, wait.

Before you say anything, I just got to say, here's where it gets weird. Yeah. So I'm in Michigan today, doing a prayer breakfast, did a prayer breakfast, going to the Kentucky Derby. Immediately after Kentucky Derby, I got to fly back to Michigan, to another part of Michigan, Grand Rapids, because I'm doing another prayer breakfast in Grand Rapids on this coming Monday, May the 6th. So it's kind of crazy.

Michigan prayer breakfast to Lexington, to Kentucky for the Kentucky Derby, and then back to Michigan, where next Monday I'm doing another Michigan prayer breakfast. So... Well, that's crazy. And it begs the question, how come people aren't more open to prayer brunches?

Because that's more my speed, if you get my drift. Thank you for reading my mind, bro. Thank you very much. Really? morning kind of dude. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

I mean, that would be civilized, right? Prayer brothers. Let's do a men's Bible study at like 4 a.m. I don't think so. I don't think so. That's where I get my best. Something tells me that Doug Giles is into prayer, early morning prayer breakfast.

I think he- I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Okay, I just want to warn people that we have an actual show today. Today, I'm talking to Albin Seder. Have you heard of him? Albin is interviewing me about my new book. He's now read the book and he's interviewing me about the book.

So it's kind of exciting because he's read the book and we're going to talk about it. And also I'm interviewing Jeremy Carl about his book, The Unprotected Class. Oh, man, it's, I don't know where to start with it. He was on Tucker. He was on Tucker this year. Yeah, he was just on Tucker. He's a big deal. and it's called the Unprotected Class.

It's really about race, warfare, lawfare. I mean, it's incredible. Okay, before I forget, I don't want to forget, our friends at Americans for Prosperity, they have the website for Bidenomics.com. I want to mention that. If you want to know what's going on with the economy, actually, if you don't want to buy the propaganda being pushed,

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No, this is new. breaking news. June 2025. Yeah. If we're still here. We're working on a like an Eric Mataxis Socrates Cruz.

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Hey, the folks, welcome back. My guest in this hour is Jeremy Carl. He's a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, Wu. His research there focuses on multiculturalism, nationalism, race relations, and immigration. He's former deputy assistant secretary of the interior of the, of the United States, Research Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, a graduate of Yale University, Lech, and the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. But he lives in Montana with his wife and their five kids. Jeremy, Carl, welcome to this program. Thanks so much, Eric,

and I know you have firsthand ability to not appreciate Yale. So we can... Yeah, I learned to hate Jews at Yale. It's really a wonderful thing that your parents, money could be spent to propagandize you into, you know, whatever the cultural Marxism du jour is. It's just, it's a beautiful thing that you can, you can spend your parents' money at these places. Let's skip over that. You have an important book out. The title is The Unprotected Class, How Anti-Wite Racism is Tearing America Apart. The Unprotected Class. So what led you to write a book about this. I mean, most of us see this going on, but what led you to write the unprotected

class? Well, I would say, Eric, without, without implying in any way, even a tenth or a hundredth of the comparison, I mean, you've written on Bonhofer, right? Like, I felt compelled to do it as a Christian. I mean, ultimately, that I felt that, I mean, I know you wrote in the American Church about how a lot of people were afraid to call out pastors in particular critical race theory because the people were going to call them racist in bad faith. And I felt like I prayed about this a lot. There's obviously a lot of reasons not to write a book like this because you'll take a lot of grief for it. But I felt really that I was, I was qualified to do it. Nobody else was doing it. And I thought it was an incredibly important issue to put it in front of people. And so that's

ultimately why after a lot of thought and prayer, I wrote the book. Well, listen, the comparison with my Bonhofer book is utterly apt. I mean, sometimes you need to write something. People need to know about it. And what you get at in the unprotected class, what's so fascinating to me is we've come to a place in America, and I know you deal with this in the book, where it's, how do we put this?

You know, we've all heard the term reverse racism. The idea that cultural Marxism has taken us to a place because of, you know, the lunacy of intersectionality, the lunacy of victimization, all of this lunacy leads you to a place where suddenly, like, you know, white people or other groups or whatever, are suddenly being demonized, which is so crazy because the whole thing is supposed to be about we're not supposed to demonize groups. But of course, that's what happens. And most people watching, you know, what's going on in America right now realize the horror, the nightmare of a two-tiered justice system. Some things are prosecuted and they throw the book at you. Some things they give you a pass. And everybody knows that's not America. Everybody knows that everyone loses if you begin to do that.

If you don't have genuine equality and you start playing. playing this game. So kudos to you for writing the unprotected class. So tell us, I mean, what is what is in the book? What do we need to know? How do we understand what is happening? Sure. Absolutely. So I think what I would say kind of makes this book unique is that other people have written about sub elements of this, areas where we've had kind of anti-white discrimination in a certain area, although they often are so because of the cultural stigma, they'll often use terms like wokeness or other terms to avoid using the W word of white to say what's going on. But what I've tried to do here is I kind of felt like a lot of blind people were touching an elephant as the

kind of metaphor goes. And each of them were describing something accurately. But what I'm trying to do with this book is go in and say, hey, the elephant is an elephant. So I look at 11 different areas of society, everything from health care to technology to the church to entertainment to crime. And I sort of treat these. I kind of go on about what anti-white racism looks like in these things, these areas, and then try to connect it, offer some reasons why I think we're seeing anti-white racism in this country, and then some solutions for where I think we could move to a better place as a country. It's interesting because I don't read it necessarily as white, right? In other words, to me, it's kind of like if you're talking about blacks in America,

and you're assuming that they all vote democratic. In other words, it really is an ideological thing, but it tends to break along color lines, but it's really not about color. It's about culture. In other words, this is a war on conservatism. This is a war on founding American principles. And in a sense, being white is just part of the collateral damage because there are many blacks in America who are all in on the founding American principles, who are patriots, who are increasingly

conservative. The numbers of blacks in America who say they're going to vote for Donald Trump has increased dramatically. So it's kind of interesting that ultimately it's about culture and ideology, but it tends to break along color lines. Yeah, I think there's a lot to that. And this is something I kind of talked about with Steve Bannon and Tucker. I mean, I think this is an important kind of distinction to make and that not everything that kind of gets targeted toward white people is really going at them because they're white, but because they represent a certain thing that that other groups do. On the other hand, sometimes it really is just a kind of racial spoil system at work. I think the other important thing to note, and I kind of talk about this a lot in

the book, is there's a real split in the white community, and there's a lot of lot of elite leftist whites that are in the main ways, kind of almost the main villain of this story and the people who have the most power who have pushed this anti-white ideology the most for a variety of reasons to benefit themselves. Well, I was going to say that these are the self-hating guilty whites who, I mean, look, they're insane. They really, most of them are elites, so they have the ability to, um, not to be actually harmed by this, but they're doing this, you know,

um, virtue signaling and victim, uh, posturing that, oh, you know, we're, we're, we're sorry to be white. We're sorry, uh, that white supremacy exists. How can we abase ourselves? Uh, it's, it's pathetic. Uh, it's, it's wrong. Uh, it's racist. Um, so yeah, so what, so what do you talk about in the, in the book then?

I mean, you talk about these things generally, but let's get specific. specific. Sure. And I just kind of note before I do that, that I mean, this is a classic example of kind of Bonhofer's cheap grace sort of going on. You know, they'll make these absolutions, but they're not willing to actually pay anything themselves. It's always about some other white person who's really bad. And that white person, of course, inevitably, is kind of middle or working class or doesn't have power to kind of fight back against the thing that the elite is going after. Actually, I mean, it has to be said the classic example of this is you have very wealthy white liberals who could spend their money doing whatever they like.

They could give their money to any organization, to any person, whatever. But typically they don't do that. Typically, they want it to come out of our tax dollars so that every middle class American is suffering for these bad ideas. They don't need to impose it that way, but they believe in big government. they believe in somebody else paying, just as you said. So that's what it ends up being, yeah. Absolutely.

And you asked about kind of some of the things in the book. And again, I'm dealing with a bunch of different subjects. Not all of them was I an expert on. And so I always went to subject experts just to reality check them. But again, it's everything from I look at white flight in the cities and kind of how starting 50, 60 years ago when this really happened, middle and working class whites had to flee often cities for their basic safety and were kind of excoriated again, often led by elite whites who didn't have any of these issues for the decision to kind of prioritize at a minimum level their own health and safety. I look at the education system and kind of how anti-white ideology has really gone in through there. I look at history where you have all these statues being torn down.

And at first it was just kind of Confederate statues. And folks like me were some of the few people saying, again, you know, in the same way that Bonhofer did, saying, hey, it's not going to stop with this small thing, right? It's not just going to be these people who are, quote, unquote, objectionable. And now we see in your city, Thomas Jefferson statue being taken out of New York City Hall, right, after where it had been for 187 years. I was not aware of that. Are you kidding? Thomas Jefferson statue? has been in New York City Hall for 187 years,

and now it's being taken down? Absolutely, absolutely. And I mean, it's indicative, right? It's the hits come so fast and furious, Eric, that, like, you can't even, if you're a busy guy like you, you can't even keep track of them all, right? It's only, like, I'm spending all my time looking at this, so that's why I know about it. And, and, but Thomas, it's so funny, because Thomas Jefferson is one of the more, today, we'd say liberal founders.

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His book is the unprotected class. So Jeremy, you were just saying that. in New York City, where I live, I mean, most people in New York City never get to New York City Hall. Why would we do that? It's a long, unpleasant subway ride. But the point is, you're saying that a statue of Thomas Jefferson was standing there and it's been taken down. Who decided to take it down? Was this Mayor Eric Adams?

Well, I believe it was, and again, I now want to be sure because I'm not expert in the city. It may have been the city council chambers, but it was some very official. And I believe it was the city council. decided to take it down. And of course, this is because Jefferson was a slave owner. He was a racist. He was a bad guy. Again, there's no context. There's no historical balance for any of this. I then actually also talk about the book. And I don't want to give too much of a spoiler about this transgender sex worker crazy person, Marsha P. Johnson, who we are putting up statues to right now in New York, in parks and memorials too, because this is the new kind of intersectional person we need

to be celebrating. Meanwhile, we're also taking down. I know the statue, I believe, of Theodore Roosevelt at the Museum of Natural History, if I'm not mistaken. I think that was already taken down. Yeah. Yeah, no. So, I mean, I think there's, New York is kind of at the leading edge of a lot of this, but it's in no way. I mean, we've got Columbus. All the history, all the history needs to be erased so that a new history can be told. Look, isn't this boilerplate Marxism? This is what they do. I mean, this is what we have to go back to the French Revolution because it's before

we had Marxism, before Karl Marx was born, we had this same. To me, it is a satanic spirit. There is something at the heart of it, which is literally demonic. It is anti-human. It is anti-truth. Erasing the past, this is what they were doing, you know, Robespierre and the murderous mobs in the French Revolution. And you see this all the way through, you know, the Bolshevik Revolution, somehow wiping out history. It's a fascinating concept, actually. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think it does go back to Robs Pierre and the French Revolution. and then you've got the evil Kuulaks and the Russian Revolution. And there's absolutely an element of Marxist, victim, and oppressor classes out there.

And then you have folks in the church like Vodi Baccham, who've been really heroic about calling out some of this kind of notion of having a certain skin, making you inherently sinful. And that this is just a fundamentally anti-Christian concept that has unfortunately made its way into the church. because we're all as Christians, for those of us who are, we would see ourselves as sinners, and having a particular color of skin isn't going to have anything to do with that. You know, I think I said it on this program before, but in case people missed it, the current speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, who is very outspoken about his Christian faith. I'm not a fan of his. His actions to me have been horrifying, horrifying betrayal of everything we would have expected him to do.

But he was being interviewed by, I think it was Walter Isaacson someplace recently. And he said, I could not believe that he bought into these lies and that he's promoting these lies that you're uncovering in your book, the Unprotected Class. He said he has two sons that are both 14, one is adopted, so one is black, one is white. He said there is no doubt that his black son is going to have a much harder time of things because of the color of his skin. And I thought to myself, that's a loony idea because most people who are awake to where we are in culture know that literally, if anything, the opposite is true. that we're having, you know, the DEI madness has flipped that narrative. So for somebody who's an outspoken Christian and theoretically a leader in the conservative movement in America to say something this preposterous that he has bought, that Speaker

Mike Johnson has bought into this lie of white guilt, he's completely bought it. And then he was asked by Walter Isaacson, oh, and what should we do about this? Tremendous problem. And Speaker Mike Johnson, you know, for whom I've clearly lost respect, said, oh, we need systemic change. In other words, he wants the government to get involved in the business. I mean, what do you need AOC for when you have Speaker Mike Johnson? Yeah, I agree, Eric, and I saw this. It was super frustrating, right?

that I mean, on the other hand, what you have here, unfortunately, I think is a guy who's maybe not, I mean, I'm not going to insult his intelligence, but maybe he's not like a kind of deep intellectual thinker. And he's exposed to a certain set of ideas that the left has been pushing in our society for decades. And he's absorbed them. And he also, in a similar way, you know, again, you've talked about this a lot in some of your books, not wanting to kind of be one of those bad guys. He's a squeaky wheel who sort of says the truth that people. don't want to hear. So when Walter Isaacson and the establishment is saying, hey, let's talk about systemic anti-black racism, even if we have the reverse going on, he's kind of all too eager to play along. And unfortunately, it is no different than if somebody in Hitler's Germany is pushing you to say, the Jews really are the problem. Let's face it. And don't say, I disagree, you are helping put Jews, you know, to their deaths. Like that, this is to me, complicity with evil. Even saying nothing is complicity with evil, but to put things forward, to put these lies

forward, to agree with the lies, as Speaker Johnson did, I was absolutely staggered. We'll be right back, folks, talking to Jeremy Carl about his new book, The Unprotected Class. Michael J. Flynn, head of the Pentagon Intelligence Agency, knew all the government's dirty secrets. He was one of the most respected generals in the military. Flynn knew what the Intel world had been up to. He understood its funding. He ordered the first audit of the use of contractors. This set off alarm bells. The explosive new documentary, Flynn, deliver the truth, whatever the cost, and covers the facts behind this scandal.

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So to my mind, I can understand why he would have said that. but then to say, to go along with the narrative that his son, because of the color of his skin is going to have a much harder time of it, that is a preposterous lie. The idea of systemic racism is a preposterous lie. So it's tremendously lamentable in any event. So tell us more about the book, The Unprotected Class. Yeah. So I kind of walk through. I mean, first I sort of lay out the lay out the lay of the land.

I talk a lot about kind of how modern civil rights law plays a particular. role here, although it's not the be all and end all of how we got to where we got. I then lay out these 11 different subject matter chapters. And then I talk about kind of what the motivations are, which ultimately, I think, are some of the oldest motivations in all of politics, which is, it's essentially about resources and who controls them and a perception that's not entirely inaccurate, depending on who you're looking at, that white people have a lot of resources. Other groups might want them. In 2024 in America, you don't just go up. up and say, hey, I'm taking your stuff. So you need to do what the late sociologist C. Wright Mills

would call you need to have a legitimating ideology, which says, hey, here's a reason why I'm taking your stuff and it's good. So you're systemically racist. You have white privilege. You, you know, we live in a systemically racist society. This is your white fragility talking if you object to it. And so you use that legitimating ideology to justify kind of ultimately the expropriation of resources And you're seeing this in the reparations debate, which is just kind of beginning to really pick up steam, but not just limited to there. And I kind of talk about things that are on the horizon that not so many people are paying attention to, unfortunately. Well, I was going to say as well, it needs to be said that if black Americans are not doing well, it is a result of the Democratic Party, starting in the 1960s, selling the lie of the great society, incentivizing black mugger's, not to have a man around so that they can get a welfare check.

The Democratic Party and their policies have destroyed black families, have destroyed black communities, and have kept them in poverty as an underclass. This is what's going on. In others, we know that before that, that blacks were thriving, black families were more intact. It's in my lifetime, basically, that the Democratic Party has doubled down and has made what they purport to be against more true and more real. And so that's the irony here. Yeah, absolutely, Eric.

And I'm glad you mentioned that because actually when you do look at the data, you see that before the civil rights movement really takes shape and in full form in the 60s, that's actually when you begin to see the unprecedented growth in prosperity in the African-American community. And then also you'll hear a lot about now how the black family is broken up, because of a legacy of slavery. But the reality is illegitimacy rates in the African-American community in the 1940s were about 15%, which is far below what the illegitimacy weight for white Americans is today. For African-Americans, now it's about 70%.

So there's nothing genetically that changed about African-Americans during that time. There's what's happened is we've had a collapse in the culture. We've had terrible policies. We've had an abandonment of the church. And as a result, you know, the legacy of this civil rights law and other welfare laws that encourage people to not be intact families, things like that, it's just been a disaster, not just for America as a whole, but particularly for a lot of minority communities. Yeah.

And so just to be clear, so if black America is, in fact, not doing particularly well, let's be clear. It's because of lack of fathers in the home. when you don't have fathers in the home. And again, this is what leads to all this. But what amazes me is that, you know, BLM, this organization, a Marxist organization, they're anti-family, they're anti-man in the home. In other words, BLM, raising money from white guilt,

has been all about promoting ideas and policies that destroy black American communities. And so the irony is incredible. But people who don't want to think it through who just want to feel guilty and go along with it, they gave money to BLM. And they felt somehow, oh, there's some kind of an emotional truth here, even though the reality was literally the opposite of what's being sold. That's right. And we saw this, particularly the craziness and the kind of aftermath of George Floyd, which I document in my book. And you have billions of dollars being given to BLM and Alive groups. And I think this is important.

I mean, we like to toss around terms like Marxists, sometimes more fairly than others when we're talking about some of these left-wing movements. But truly, the factors of BLM were actual self-declared Marxists. They were misandrists. They were, I mean, the whole bit. They truly were political radicals who any sort of care that they actually had for black Americans was secondary to their kind of Marxist and other far, far left commitments on. gender ideology, everything. I mean, they're really a crazy group of people. I've never heard the term Ms. Andres because I'm Greek. I know that that means that they are against men. It's like misogyny against women. But again, this is the core of it, is that

if that's your point of view, you are destroying black families, which is what they, they were promoting the destruction of black families, which destroys the black community. So when you think of the disproportionate number of black men in prison, it is because of this. And we know this. And they've been selling this. And I can't tell you how many mostly former friends in the evangelical church in America have drunk this Kool-Aid. They believe these lies. They're promoting these lies. They don't understand that. Listen, we see your heart, but your brain, you're getting it wrong. If you actually care about blacks in America, you have to oppose these ideas. You have to understand what's going on here. They have refused, they've just refused to do that. We've got

another segment coming up. Jeremy Carl, your book is the unprotected class. I assume it's available everywhere. It is available everywhere as of this week. So it's, and it's doing really, really well. So I hope folks... I know you were on Tucker Carlson. You've been on Steve Bannon. Fantastic. We'll be right back talking to Jeremy Carl. The book is The Unprotected Class. Welcome back talking to Jeremy Carl. Brand new book, The Unprotected Class. What is the subtitle again? How anti-white racism is tearing America apart. So let's just dig into some more details from the book in the time that we have. Yeah, I mean, it's, so again, I'm looking at this and in a whole group of different ways. So you were talking just before the break about the church, and I talk about this a lot in the church and how I think there's a lot of well-intentioned people who have been really led astray.

And not just, I mean, the mainline church, I talk about it. I mean, they're utterly crazy on these issues. They're really, you could just might as well go to a BLM rally. as much as you kind of go to some of these churches' web pages and see what they're saying. But the concern is for actual Christians who are concerned about the Bible and things, what is the actual gospel, what is going on in some of these even evangelical churches that have been gripped by a false gospel of what is essentially racial guilt. So that's a big thing I talk about.

I talk about the military. That's another really big area because it's right to the heart of, you know, who's going to protect us? So in the last five years, I think we've had a 40% decline in white recruits with no corresponding decline in any other group going to the military. And I can tell you, having talked to military families and looked at this, it is because they're looking at this woke, anti-white military and saying, fathers, because this is often multi-generational are saying, I'm not going to have my kids go there. Now, that's concerning for any group, but where it's really concerning is that whites have typically. been the quote unquote tip of the spear, disproportionately likely to be in special forces and other kind of elite combat roles. So if we're disproportionately having that sort of a group opt out

because of anti-whiteness, it's tremendously concerning. That's a big deal. That's a big deal. I know that Heather McDonald has written about similar issues. So what is our best bet at reversing these trends? Yeah. Well, I think we need to fundamentally reconceptualize civil rights laws. I think that I'm not here to relitigate the 64 Civil Rights Act. I think there was some very real problems that it was addressing. It was sort of a blunt instrument to do so. But we're now as far from that as they were from the Wright brothers. And we have a different set of problems. People aren't not being served at lunch counters, but you have a bunch of bogus racial discrimination suits. That's one thing. I think we need to

engage in aggressive lawfare against some of these anti-white practices. My friends at America first legal have done an outstanding job in that, and there are others who are joining them. I think we need to kind of reconstitute a multi-ethnic Americanist majority. That's something I, it's not enough time to go into exactly what that looks like here, but I think it's almost what you'd call multiracial whiteness. So sort of a, you kind of got at this idea a little earlier, this notion that people of a variety of different ethnicities and backgrounds really embracing America's history. and American culture. I think these are all kind of really key components of what we can do to address this.

I've got 12 different solutions I talk about in the book. And so I don't think that the good news is we're not in a hopeless situation, but we do need to turn the ship around quickly. The good news is what? I'm sorry? Well, we're not in a hopeless situation. I'm not just kind of putting up a tail of woe for 300 pages and then saying, ah, you know, I don't know what we can do about it. I guess nothing. I think there's a lot of things. that we can do to fix this. We have fixed bigger problems in the U.S. before, but we've got to turn this ship around, and that needs to start now, or at some point it really does become too late. Jeremy Carl, thank you, folks. The book is the unprotected class. Before we go, let me remind you, there is real evil in the world, and we can do something about it. We are partnering

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