The Eric Metaxas Show - Jeremy Story and Kate Anderson

Episode Date: October 14, 2021

Jeremy Story tells how a minister and an army captain were unlawfully jailed by a school district; and Kate Anderson has more updates from the Alliance Defending Freedom.

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I'm talking to my friend Jenna Ellis about the news of the day. We're talking about fear mongering. We're talking about vaccine mandates. Can you give us an update since you know a lot about the Supreme Court on what lies ahead? Because it is interesting to have a majority of people that we would consider actual constitutionalists. What do you suppose will happen in the next term? Yeah, it's going to be really fascinating. The new term started October 4th.

And there are already a few cases on the docket that are going to be argued into November and December that are going to have huge implications on religious liberty, on abortion in the United States, and on the Second Amendment. They've actually taken up the first Second Amendment case since 2008 and the District of Columbia versus Heller decision. So that'll be interesting. And, you know, before we get into a couple of these cases, you mentioned, you know, we actually have a majority that are constitutionalists.

Well, first, I hope so. and I don't categorize Justice Roberts at all. Oh, I wasn't talking about him. I know. I know. So we hopefully have at least a 5-4. But what a lot of people say is, well, you know, you're just as activist then as the Democrats. Well, no, that's not true because wanting a conservative majority means we actually understand

what the judicial branch is designed for, which is to hold accountable the two political branches and to make sure to preserve and protect our rights. Well, look, we've gotten trapped into this kind of language. The fact of the matter is, if you are not a constitutionalist, an originalist, in my mind, you're an activist, period. So you can call a constitutionalist or an originalist, a conservative or whatever. But I would say they're not conservative, they're not political. They are simply good jurists. They simply understand what the Constitution says, given the context, they've taken the trouble,

and they're not judges acting as judicial activists. as a separate branch of government. So we do get trapped into that, they're conservative or whatever. We're over politicized. They're faithful to the Constitution. We hope so. And they have so over politicized this,

especially, you know, in the last probably 70 or so years of the court. And if we look back at, you know, I was very heavily involved, obviously, working for President Trump and during his administration involved in the nominations of his three justices. And, you know, to see how partisan and political,

that process has become is so unfortunate because who is on the Supreme Court should actually be the least of our concerns in America if we actually understand what it means to be a faithful jurist. And so what I hope is that we do have a majority now that is not going to be given to politics, is not going to be coerced or persuaded by the news cycle, but is actually going to write opinions that are faithful to the Constitution. And one of them is the Dobbs case, and it's Dobbs v. Whole Woman's Health. and it's a case out of Mississippi arose because they have a ban on all elective abortions pre-viability. And so the certified question to the court is whether all pre-viability elective abortions are unconstitutional. And the easiest way that the Supreme Court could answer that faithfully is to say that is a question for the states. The federal government has zero power

to coerce the states into how they best protect life. And so if Mississippi, if Texas, if all of the other states want to pass laws that protect unborn children, absolutely they have the power and authority to do that. They don't even have to reach the moral question. They don't have to comment any further. They could completely gut Rovers's way just through applying the principle of federalism. And I'm hopeful that a court who will not be coerced by politics will apply federalism and give it to the states.

That would be nice. But when this court refused to, to hear the case brought up, I guess was Texas. Texas versus Pennsylvania. Can you help me laymen understand how they could refuse to look at that? Political politics. Okay, but what does that mean? They're not supposed to be political.

Well, exactly. And so this was so disappointing to me, to the rest of the Trump legal team. And, you know, in full disclosure, I mean, I was obviously a member of Trump's legal team. And even though this particular case was brought initially by Ken Paxton, a great attorney general of Texas, 17 other states joined, and basically what they were doing was suing Pennsylvania and the other swing states saying you didn't follow your own rules. And so we all participate in this process called the Electoral College. And if you cheat, that affects the outcome of the entire thing. It's pretty basic.

It's like if all of these countries are competing in an Olympic athletic event and you have five different countries that go against the rules and they cheat, well, that affects the outcome of everybody. Right. So this is a very simple case. And in Article III of the U.S. Constitution, what's called original jurisdiction, meaning we know the Supreme Court is the appellate court. People appeal things to the Supreme Court. Well, the Supreme Court has trial jurisdiction. Like they hear the case for the first time.

In a couple of contexts, one of them that is specifically in Article 3 is a state suing another state. So very simple. It is the plain text of the Constitution. They had absolutely no authority or discretion to deny here. hearing this case. And Justice Alito and Thomas said that. But unfortunately, the other seven, which included all three of President Trump's appointees, declined to hear it purely politics. How is it possible Gorsuch-Cavanaugh and Barrett could have done that? It was so disappointing. And I think-

I mean, we know it's disappointing. How is it possible that these brilliant minds, were they bullied by Roberts, who's screaming at them, you can't get involved in a presidential election, that's politics and you need to stay out? Was that the argument that he might have used? You know, nobody knows. And this is the thing that's really frustrating is that they didn't issue an opinion or a statement. They simply declined to hear the case. And so nobody really knows. And is that possible? Absolutely. Is it possible that they didn't want to be perceived as political? So they declined it even though that is an act of political will. They were afraid that there would be rights in the streets. And you know what happens? If you're afraid that they're going to be

rights in the streets, they're going to be right in the streets anyway. And they're probably to be worse than the rights would have been in the first place. And what happened to doing the right thing regardless of the outcome? You know, but this is where you don't have people in government anymore or very, very few that will have the courage to do the right thing regardless. And if they had even heard it, I mean, regardless of the outcome of the decision, even if we disagreed with the opinion at the end of the day, if they had simply hurt it, that would have been a huge victory. and that's what the left didn't want, because what they want to say is that, you know, President Trump just wanted to overturn this election.

And he, well, no, if you're a candidate and you simply have challenges to how the election was, was conducted and administrative, of course you can bring it to her here in New York. Your own Democrat mayoral candidate was, is challenged, or it's not the mayoral candidate, sorry, it's, you know, one of the other, I think it's a congress member who challenged the validity of the election and actually challenge a number of ballots. And now is the nominee because of that. Well, that's okay when it's a Democrat. Democrats can challenge things, but Republicans apparently.

I honestly think that what it all boils down to is courage and that there are people, I've heard people say like, oh, well, they were afraid their families would be threatened. My attitude is like, if you have courage, either you do your job and let your family be threatened or you do whatever you need to do or resign. It's very simple, but you can't keep the job if you're letting people get to you in that way. And so shame on every one of them, whatever reasons they might give, it is your job to do your job. If you have some reason, some fear, get out, resign. But don't say, well, I'm going to keep my job.

I'm just not going to do my job. That's effectively what they did. Yeah. And you know who else that applies to as well as all of the doctors across the country who are refusing to give sound medical advice and push the vaccine on people just because they're afraid of losing their job. I hear so many stories of people who have said even that their doctor will offline tell them, by the way, I don't really think that you need it for XYZ medical reason, but I have to at least tell you that because I'm afraid of losing my job.

You're not actually faithfully practicing medicine at that point. Here's the problem. Those people are cowards. We need to bring a more vocabulary back into the culture. You can be courageous. you can be a coward. You can do whatever you like, but you will be called on it. And that kind of behavior is cowardly behavior.

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A number of years ago, I got to meet a friend, Jeremy's story here in New York City. He's now a minister in the Austin, Texas area. He wrote me about something that's going on there with regard to school boards. As you know, this stuff lights me up, infuriates me, sickens me. sickens me as an American what is happening. And so I thought, let's get Jeremy on to talk about it. So, Jeremy, welcome. Thank you for having me today, Eric. I appreciate it. Well, I'm glad that you wrote to me. So tell us the story. I mean, the short version is that I was arrested by a school board unlawfully in order to

silence me from speaking. You know, today nationally, we hear stories about violent parents and the Biden administration coming against them. But in actuality, there's also another side of that story. And we, I am that story, as well as another gentleman in our district who was an army captain who was arrested as well. Basically what we were speaking out against Eric was, and what I was speaking out against was I'd been, I'd seen how our superintendent was hired in June by a violation of the Texas Open Meetings Act, which means that several of the board members coordinated behind the scenes to hire the superintendent, which is a offense that carries prison time. And because I spoke out on that, then I was contacted by a lady who explained to me.

me that she had been assaulted by the superintendent. She had been, she was pregnant with his child and he had tried to assault her when she refused to have an abortion because he was wanting her to cover up his illicit affair with this woman. And so when she wouldn't do that, he went over to her house and according to her assaulted her. He threatened her via text message prior that he was going to take care of the child if she wouldn't take care of it. And then when she tried to go to the school board to get some help. Two school board members tried to help her. The other five who had voted for the superintendent ignored her, and a couple of them actually notified the superintendent, which then precipitated the assault the next day. Well, let me ask you, is his name public,

the superintendent? Oh, sure, yeah, because he was hired in June. His name is Hafed Aziz, and the board president's name is Amy Weir. And so I actually wrote them several letters trying to privately deal with the matter. They ignored those letters. They basically dismissed the claims. They wouldn't investigate. Only two school board members tried to investigate, but they were suppressed by the other five who wouldn't put it on the agenda and get it in a public forum. And so then I went public with it on social media. And then I went to a board meeting to begin to explain it. And when I began to explain it, the superintendent, I'm telling you the very short version, but the superintendent and the board president through a wave of the

and through banging gavel and yelling, said, you know, basically take him out of here. And I had two police officers grabbed me by either arm from the back of the room to school district police officers. They're hired by the school district. Carry me out of the board meeting, drag me down the hall, through a cafeteria, and pushed me out the front door. And then a month later, all of a sudden, the day after I filed a legal grievance against them, they arrested me and another gentleman.

And what I would describe is sort of a sting, clandestine operation with vindictive purpose at our homes, threat. threatening our families and put us in jail overnight. Okay. Now, the larger narrative, it seems to me, is that as a result of what's happened in the country over the last couple of years, we are noticing that school boards are not what we thought they were. They are places of tremendous power, local power.

And the people who run them are not doing the job that they're not doing the job that they're hired to do. This is a particularly horrific example. It's an amazing example. You have seven kids. You've got skin in the game. You care about the schools in your area. And you were doing your duty as a father and as a minister to try to bring some light to a monstrous, sounds like criminal situation. And for that, it even gets worse. You were, go ahead. I went to another school. board meeting after they carried me out of that one, I mean, which they had no right to do. They literally carried me out while I was making public comments. And before I even got to the stand, the board president tried to keep me from speaking.

This is a normal public comment period where they had called me up. And I was testifying and they literally drew me off the stand. The video is all there. But the worst part is I went to another board meeting a month later. And they had stationed police officers outside the doors of the board meeting to guard the doors and they were not letting parents in, which is a violation. of the Texas Open Meetings Act, they had taken a 375 person seat auditorium, taken all the seats out of it except for 18 and told people if you did not sit in one of those 18 seats, you were going to be kicked out.

And then once those 18 seats filled up, or I would actually say once about 12 of them filled up, because they never all filled up because they wouldn't let everybody in. They left parents out in the hallway with cops blocking the doors. And when I tried to ask the cops why they were there, they wouldn't answer questions. So then I tried to walk in and actually was basically physically, I would say assaulted or physically aggressed against by the police. One of them wrapped me around a door frame and cut my back and the other one shoved me down to the floor. It's all on tape. And it was all, I believe, a cover up because they knew what I was going to say, which was

implicating board members in open meetings violations, implicating board members and being a part of an assault in essence because they tipped off the superintendent and implicating board members and covering up the assault with the superintendent sitting in the room with a protective order against him by the victim in this situation. And an active criminal investigation and the Texas Education Agency investigating him as well. All of these things going on. Meanwhile, they were acting like nothing was happening. What is the name of this superintendent again? His name is Hafed Aziz. Haphed Aziz. What was he doing before he became a,

superintendent slash thug. Well, that's how I got involved. Some community members had spoken to me and said, we're about to hire a new superintendent, and he's coming from a district called Donna ISD, which is a district on the south border of Texas, a small district. And they were concerned because he had a history in that district

of using the district police force to silence people who had opposed him. He had just recently, right before he came to our district, had issued a restraining order against the 68-year-old grandmother, Hispanic lady down there, because she was outspoken against him. I've seen the video. He had district police basically served this lady a restraining order that says, and I've read the restraining order,

you can't go on campus for two years without our permission. And I asked her, I interviewed her later, and I said, ma'am, did you ever get to go to court over this? No, they just showed up in my house. I can't go to the district. And so because he'd had this history, we just asked the board members of which there are seven to simply vet him for another week or two before they hired him.

And they refused. And I couldn't understand why. Two board members voted against it and said, yes, we should vet him. Their names are Mary Bone and Daniel Weston. The other five said, no, we're running full steam ahead. We can't even delay a week for this. And I was very surprised, but as I sat in that board meeting, that day when they hired him, right after they hired him, the board president stood up and said, oh, by the way, the superintendent has driven six hours from Donna ISD, and he's with us today. And I turned around, and I kid you not, Eric, they were pulling this guy out of a small back room. He'd been in the

room the whole night they were deliberating whether to hire him, ostensibly deliberating. And then they pulled him out and they showed a full-fledged video they had edited with him accepting the warden, you know, being the superintendent, flanked by district people. Okay. What is your guess of what's behind this? Where did he grow up? Where did he grow up? Who is this person?

And why do you think this is happening? Just to give us some context, because I'm a little bit lost. I mean, he comes out of nowhere. Who is this person? in your mind. I don't know a whole lot about him. He is from Tunisia. He was originally in the New York City area.

He then went to school, I forgot where, in another college outside New York City, but he also went to school in New York City. He's an American citizen, obviously. Huh? He's an American citizen, obviously. Well, that's a matter. I can't comment much on,

but I can say that he is from Tunisia. He came here on a student visa that he then got upgraded to a different level of visa and he's worked in spring ISD. He worked in Donna ISD and then he now was recently hired in our district. But it is my understanding that there are active investigations into his status. Well, I guess the bigger question is he sounds thuggish and he sounds to use, he seems to use, as you said, police force in his previous position and now again for his own ends.

The reason I wanted to have you on, Jeremy, is because it sounds to me, like school boards have become a major point of contention in the battle for the nation. Does this fall in line with that or does this seem like a different kind of outlier? Absolutely. I mean, if this doesn't wake us up, Eric, literally, I was arrested. I'm a minister serve across the country. I'm on the board of the National Day of Prayer. I'm a chaplain for the state party, Republican Party of Texas.

I've served with college students for 30 years. The other guy that was arrested at his home was a veteran army captain. We're not crazy people. We're just normal people that were speaking in a board meeting. And we were arrested clandestinely in our homes with trumped up charges that are, they're not even real. And then on top of that, the board then pushes people out of the board meeting basically with cops. And by the way, when they did that, what they did was the two board members left because they said, we're not going to violate the law. We don't want to go to prison.

The other five stayed. And when they stayed, you know what the next thing they did was while they were keeping me out of the room? they passed a tax increase because there in the last month, 3,000 students are now missing from Round Rock ISD. They have fled the district, which has put the district in $30 million hole. So then they passed a tax increase unlawfully. And so citizens are now suing the district for unlawful tax increase. I think this half-ed guy might go to jail.

I'm just guessing. Hang on a second because we're going to go to a break. When we come back, we're going to spell half-ed assies for you. folks. This is important. Jeremy Story, Minister of the Gospel, Father of Seven, speaking out. We'll be right back. Hey, folks, Eric Metaxis here. Joe Biden and the Democrats have laid out the most socialist agenda our country has ever seen. Instead of following President Trump's blueprint that had the economy booming, the Dems are going to raise taxes, increase regulations, and skyrocketed an already outrageous national debt. If your retirement is in traditional investments, it is in jeopardy. Americans should be diversifying their investments with gold and precious metals. Gold gives you control over your wealth and protects you from market volatility,

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Hey there, folks. I'm talking to a minister of the gospel, someone I've known for many years, Jeremy's story, father of seven, who has found himself at the center of what looks like a horrifying situation with corruption involving a school. school board, school district superintendent. So what is the bigger story, Jeremy? In other words, this kind of corruption is as anti-American as it gets. This is foul. We, the people, have to stand up against it. Many of us are too busy or not coward, not courageous enough, which is a shame, and that's why corruption has been thriving.

You have had the courage. You have literally gone to jail. Father of Seven goes to jail for trying to speak at a school board meeting. We know that the DOJ has weaponized school board meetings, that they are trying to intimidate people like you from speaking, from having a voice. This is satanic. This is as anti-freedom, anti-American as anything.

In America, people like you are supposed to have a voice. That's really just a gift from God, this freedom that we have in America. So to see it going this way, you hear about stuff like this going on, you know, in the 1920s and 30s in the backwoods of Alabama. But this is near Austin, Texas. What do you suppose is behind this? Is this pure power and corruption? I believe that it is. And I believe it happens on school boards all the time.

And what our case is doing is exposing this across Texas. It's awakened people. And I hope across the country to speak out peacefully and firmly because we have that right. And I'd say behind it in our district, you have certain school board members that I believe knew some of the negative things about the superintendent and Donna ISD before they brought him here. But when you bring a compromised superintendent, in and in, and there's sort of a farm system that they've used for these superintendents in all districts. And when you bring somebody in like that and you're a board member, especially if you're

like the president of the board or whatever, you can control the district in a lot of ways. Because you can say, hey, I got your back. I've got you here. And then basically you can do all kinds of things that are not helpful to students and they're just your own power trip. In fact, our superintendent, when he was threatening via text message, the now they're victim and saying he was going to basically assault her and take care of his own child

to cover up his own mess, he actually said to her, look, there's a couple school board members that have my back and they're going to discredit you if you bring this out. And so we've uncovered evidence since then that he was actually coordinating with those school board members before he was hired.

And they were passing him information on the interviews. And so, you know, when you've got that kind of level of corruption, then when that person gets in, you can have free rain over those 40,000 kids in our district. And I'm telling you, this is not an isolated event. These sorts of things are happening in lots of places. And the only barrier between it continuing and it stopping is us in America speaking out peacefully, us in America investigating, us in America then acting on what we find out and speaking. If we don't, if we sit down and we're not courageous enough to speak, then we will not only lose our right to speak, we'll lose our children.

You know, it was just said by a candidate for Virginia governor, Terry McCullough, that parents didn't need to be taking a role in deciding what was taught in their school and showing up at school boards. He said that out loud. We must speak, or it's going to become the narrative that parents should not be involved in their children's education, that instead the government should be. I think we, first of all, we have to express our astonishing. at the Himalayan ignorance of many adults in America, many of them who have held public office,

who want to hold public office, the idea that someone, I mean, I've never thought much of Terry McCall if he's one of the worst, you know, Clinton-loving cronies, bad guy. But for him to not understand that at the heart of American self-government from the beginning is the idea that that we are free, that we fathers and mothers control the lives of our children. We teach them what we want to teach them. And unless we're beating them to death, the government has no business telling me how to deal with my children, what subjects I want them to learn. But that idea has crept in so that even people like Terry McAuliffe are ignorant of that

and would in an unguarded moment say something just as screaming. seemingly stupid as what he said. But it's good that he said it because we now understand that there are people in America like that who not only don't understand the very basics of what American freedom is, but they're working actively against it. And there are enough people that are busy or ignorant or slightly cowardly to just to let it go. But I thank God for people like you, Jeremy's story, because if we do not stand up, we deserve what we get. It's not looking good. But I am just so proud of you and everyone. There's tons like you in America who are standing up and who are encouraging others to stand up. We've just got 40 seconds just to tell us what can we do. Go ahead. We're in a criminal defense situation right now and trying to consider civil because, of course, we have massive civil case. I would love your listeners to stand up with me.

If you can go to Rise for Students, the word FOR, not number, riseforstudence. dot org and donate to our legal fund so that we can defend ourselves because this goes all the way up to the sheriff who made a special exception for us to put us in jail when they normally weren't booking people with our level of offense and so we need to defend ourselves and we need to actually be also to go on the offense I need your help we need to raise probably $80,000 so rise for students.org will take you right to a page where you can donate to our legal fund I think there are many people that have been moved by this story and they will do that rise for students.org.

Folks, we're in a battle. By the grace of God, we will win, but we have to fight. Rise for students.org. Jeremy's story, God bless you. Thank you. There at a table,

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on behalf of our client, Lori Smith. She owns 303 creative. She's an artist and a website designer, and she wants to be able to create freely, to create messages that are in accord with her religious beliefs. But the state of Colorado is weaponizing a law to try to force her to create custom wedding websites that promote same-sex marriage

if she creates any custom wedding websites, and that violates her core convictions and something that the government should never force anyone to do. And that's why we're asking this sort of important game. So you're asking this. Supreme Court of the United States of America to take this case. Now, ADF, for my audience in case, they're not tracking, you have argued numerous cases in front of the United States Supreme Court. That's a staggering opportunity, a staggering responsibility. What I always try to communicate,

because I've gotten to meet Jack Phillips a bunch of times, if you all were not fighting these things, it's simply stunning to me to think where we would be as a country. And the reason I wanted you on and the reason I want to raise money for ADF is that I think most Americans really aren't aware of who is fighting the battle. It's very theoretical. But you guys are fighting this battle. You're taking on these cases so that people like Jack Phillips and I can't remember the name of the woman we were just discussing. Lori Smith. So they can't be bullied. And it's nothing more or less than that.

They're being bullied pressure to do things that violate their consciences, which I think many Americans, too, we've been so blessed by religious freedom. We forget how sacred it is, that we have the freedom to obey our consciences and that the government has no right, the culture has no right, to force us. So she is a woman of faith who doesn't want to create websites contrary to her. her views. We don't have to agree with her views, but that's her right as an American. And is this in Colorado? It is. And it's actually the same law that Colorado used to come after Jack over and over again. And it's something that we're seeing in other states as well, where the government is

trying to weaponize laws to force people to create speech. Say messages, use their artistic talents to create things that violate their core convictions. And if they can do this to Jack and to Lori on the issue of marriage. They can do this to anyone on any issue. And that's why it's so important that something like the Supreme Court steps in and tries to protect this freedom for everyone. Is it fair to say that you and the other lawyers at ADF could be making more money elsewhere? Probably.

We work for a nonprofit. Absolutely. But it's a blessing to be here and to be able to do the work that we do because I think it's important for every American to be free in these regards. and it's important that somebody's working on this. So I've been grateful. I say that so that my audience understands, you know, not only are you taking these cases on for free,

but all of you who are being paid aren't being paid what you could be making other places because you believe in this. You're actually giving of your own time and your potential income because you believe in America. And I just want my audience to understand that we're all in this fight. And I think part of the problems

that we've had as a nation over the last decades, is that we've sort of farmed out a lot of these things to the professional class. We forget this is our fight. This is my fight. And when somebody risks his life on foreign soil, when somebody gives up a lucrative career to defend religious liberty, I need to share that. I need to be a part of that. And so I say to my audience, folks, please give what you can. Our website is metaxis talk.com.com. The Alliance Defending Freedom banner is there. You click on it. If you want to give something per month, that might be easier for you.

But we all need to share this burden. This is a serious, serious moment in the nation where religious liberty is, for the first time in our lives, coming under serious threat. And we have to fight and we have to win. And ADF is doing that. Kate, are there any other cases that you know of that my audience should. be aware of? Well, I just want to say first, we're all on this together and we really appreciate the donors that come alongside us and make it possible for us to defend these important freedoms for

everybody. But there are lots of cases to be looking for. I think Lori's is a prime one right now because I think it's going to hit the national stage and be something that could have an impact for artists and speakers across the country. But Jack Phillips case continues on. We continue to work in other areas to try to defend on college campuses. religious freedom and free speech to protect life, to protect parental rights around the country and marriage and the family. And so we're working in many areas, but there are some cases

I sort of bring forward to you because they're going to be more on the national stage and something that I think could have a big impact on everybody's freedom. I think I bring this up almost every time I have somebody from ADF on is I want my audience to understand how this works. In other words, this has nothing to do with whether we agree with what someone says. I mean, if somebody says, I don't want to bake a cake that celebrates Christianity, I'm a Muslim. Well, I would say, well, wait a minute, I'm a Christian. Well, the point is we're Americans. We don't force Muslims to bake cakes celebrating Jews or Israel or Christians. We are free in America. And if we don't all understand how this works, we're no longer America. When we begin to force people to do

things, whether you agree with it or don't, and that's why, folks, it has nothing to do with whether you agree with it. It has to do with what is right for all Americans. And so if somebody has a view that I think of as parochial, and I say, well, that seems silly to me, well, I would still say it is that person's right. So I might agree with the person. I might not. In this case, in most cases, when it comes to ADF, I do agree. But the point is, even if you don't agree, we're not a nation that says, this is what I think, and I'm going to force you to go along with what me and the majority think. We have laws that say that even if you're out of step with the majority, you are a protected minority. We have a constitution that says you have religious liberty.

We need to really understand that because people are using our ignorance to play us on things like this, usually with regards to issues of sexuality. People get confused. Don't be confused. People can have any opinion they like, but they cannot be compelled to go against their own principles. Please go to MetaxusTalk.com. We really need your help. Support ADF. Please, folks.

We need everybody to step up. Kate Anderson, God bless you. Thank you. Albin, I forgot to mention something. What did you forget? I'm holding a letter. People send us letters through my website, Ericmetakis.com and through the radio website,

Matakashton.com. I read every single one. I know, because we get one every six months. No, we get so many letters, but I read every single one. So far, thank God. I can't respond to everyone, but there's something that I want to read. I want to read this one.

And I'm going to read this today. Hopefully in this segment, if I have time, if not in the next segment. So let me say this. We are giving away this hat was given to me by Donald Trump with his own hands. He said, yeah, let me give you some of these hats. We have a picture of him with me with Sean Ford. I'm going to post on a social media today, which is another reminder. You should be following me on social media.

and if you're not, you should at least go to Metaxus talk. Sorry, go to Ericmetaxis.com, sign up for my newsletter. Everywhere I go, people say, no, I'm not signed up for that newsletter. Folks, all the interviews we do, the good, the bad, and the ugly, they come to you via my newsletter. We send it out once or twice a week. There's information on there and where I'm speaking. I'm going to be speaking everywhere. I'm going to be in next week.

I'm going to be in Wichita, Kansas. I'm going to be in Phoenix, Arizona with Charlie Kirk. Then I'm going to go to Colorado Springs. Then I'm going to be all over the San Diego area. I'm going to be in Thousand Oaks. It's crazy. But if you want this information, you have to sign up for my newsletter. Please, you go to Ericmetaxis.com.

When you go to Metaxus talk.com, that's our radio site, you can donate to the Alliance Defending Freedom. We do need your help rather desperately. I'm going to talk about that in the next segment more. But just in case you think I'm blowing smoke, folks, we have not even raised half of what our goal is so far. So I want to impress upon you, this is not just some nice idea. This is about America.

Chuck Colson effectively prophesied that religious liberty was the issue. I don't know how many years ago he died, but he was talking about it 25 years ago. I had no idea what he meant. Boy, oh, boy, do I get it now? Do I understand that if you believe in Judeo-Christian biblical values, your values are under attack. That's not appropriate in America, folks. This country does not have an established religion.

But when you attack somebody's religion, you're going against the separation of church and state. You're going against the Constitution. But it happens all the time. And we have to fight it in the courts. Alliance Defending Freedom, does that work? Please support them. Go to metaxis talk.com. I'll give the phone number.

855-5-447-53-8-55-5-47-53-8-55-5-4-7-53-8-5-4-7-5-4-7-53. Alvin, do I have time to read a funny letter? I think you do, yeah. I don't think it's even funny. Okay. It's about the Nephilim, which kind of dovetails off your book. It's so crazy that I can hardly make it up. Oh, by the way, I was on the Victory Channel yesterday, and everybody wrote down the website,

I say, how do I get your book for 45% off? When you go to my website, Eric Mataxis.com, and you click on it, you have to go down to the Baker link. Is that so tough? No. Okay, here's the letter. Okay, here we go. We get letters.

This one we decide to read on the air. Eric, traveling for work as I do five days a week, three to four weeks a month. I've enjoyed rediscovering you, having seen you on Red Eye before, and now hearing your podcast every day. I was curious if you've explored the biblical people slash race

of the Nephalim, and related giants, including any serious scientific research about it. I've seen a few books and one with claimed photographic evidence of biblical giants. Wow. That's a George Eastman must have taken that show. Here's what I don't understand. Photography wasn't invented until about 1839-ish, and the Nephilim are from approximately 1839 BC. Okay.

That's a roughly 4,000-year gap. So I don't know what this person is talking about. All I know is I'm fascinated by this, and I'm going to look into this. But if you want to get us information, I wish this person that sent me a link. We just love getting your letters. Write to us. Tell us what you're doing. Tell us where you listen from.

Don't say anything negative because we'll go into the fetal position. We need encouragement. Thank you. We'll be right back.