The Eric Metaxas Show - Jim Caviezel

Episode Date: September 15, 2020

Actor Jim Caviezel opens up about the filming of "The Passion of the Christ" and the upcoming sequel -- and the important and critical truth that lies behind his newest film, "Infidel."

Welcome to the Eric Mattaxit show. It's the show featuring Go Go Go Go The Chim. Nothing like a chimp till I'm in a radio show. Easy there, Go Go Go Go. No. No, gogo. No. Now your host, Eric Mataxis. Hey, folks, welcome to the most exciting show on this or any other planet. Albin, Chris, are you buckled in?

Because what we have today is so crazy that a lot of people are going to get lost. Where do we start? Okay. First of all, in hour one today, in hour one today, I'm talking to Jim Caviesel. He played Jesus in Passion of the Christ. He said he's going to come on in full makeup. I don't believe it because he's a big joker. But I'm talking to Jim Caviesel.

He's got a new film out called Infidel. It's kind of a lighthearted family comedy starring. I guess Barbara Streisand is kind of like the, the maid. Vin she plays like the beat in the B. Arthur type. And Goldie Hawn. Goldie Hawn's in it, I think. It's, it's just a kooky romp through the 70s sex capades kind of thing. And you're going to, we're going to have some fun. We're going to have some fun with that. It is directed by Warren Beatty. And that's infidel with Jim Cavazel any second. We're going to have Jim Cavizal on this program. And we'll see. It's full of disco, right? I believe it's full of disco music. It's basically.

an homage to the disco era. And I know that there's there's like cameos by everybody can think of Gloria Gainer. You know, it's just a big Thelma Houston. You know, it's just, it's an homage to that era. Yeah, it's like a film. It's a film version of laughing, basically. Right. And Chiro, Chiro plays the judge at the end.

Chero plays the judge. I love her. And she says to the Bailey Cucci Coochee Coochee, to the bailiff Coochee. And, you know, it's just for people of that era, it's crazy. So, but that's Jim Caviesel coming up in a couple of seconds. In hour two now, we don't know, but we're trying to get Bill O'Reilly. He's a cranky, scary, tall Irishman with a temper that you don't want to tick him off. So we're going to try to get Bill O'Reilly in hour two.

If we fail, he took a swing at somebody. I don't know what to tell you, but he's a big scary guy, Bill O'Reilly an hour two. He's got a new book out called Killing Time, I think, right? Is that it? Yeah, killing somebody, killing everybody. I think it's called killing time. And anyway, so we had to mention that up front. Now, I've got to talk about a couple of more serious things.

People often ask me, hey, what's life like in New York? What's life like in New York? Now, you guys are a little bit more out of the city. But I'm just going to say that, you know, I don't see much of a difference until yesterday I spoke to my current wife, Sweetie Pie. And she said that she went into a cosmetic store in our neighborhood. This is true. And the door to get in was locked, like, right? And she said to them, why do you lock the door?

I mean, you know, they have to buzz you in and that had never happened before. And she says, you haven't any problems, have you? And they said, oh, yeah. Now, this is a very nice neighborhood. They said, people have just come in, grabbed stuff, like a ton of stuff, and stolen it and run out. Like never, ever happened before. So the point is, these mayors, like de Blasio, have effectively given permission for what they would think of as social redistribution. Like tough luck.

these companies can afford it. They've got insurance. We're not going to prosecute. We're not going to have, you know, cash for bail. We're just going to, we're just going to let it ride. And the thing is, you don't believe this until you hear a story like what Suzanne told me yesterday. The idea that in a nice neighborhood, in a nice store, they are scared because these are young women running this store, right? They're selling cosmetics to other women.

and, you know, moisturizers and that kind of thing. It's like some high end, or it's not that high end. It's kind of like, you know, a middle brand store in a nice neighborhood, and they are having to deal with this. And so I say this because we need to understand that if you are not seeing this in your neighborhood, wherever you live, maybe you live on a farm, maybe you live. The fact of the matter is many Americans are seeing things like this. I keep hearing stories.

I've heard horror stories from the upper world. West Side, which was communist to begin with, it is stunning that we're seeing the working out of the worldview of the radical left wing of what used to be the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has left Democrats. If you once were a Democrat, I don't know what you do right now. I would hope that you'd understand that this has, you know, it's kind of like when the cat's out of the bag and you see, wow. I had no idea that we could ever go there.

But I keep hearing stories like this. And I just want to say that, you know, particularly when you have a wife or kids, you think, my goodness, what if they ran a foul of one of these thugs or one of these maniacs who is just wandering around knowing that the odds that there's going to be a cop who will do anything is like zero? That's the Wild Wild West. That's anarchy. And that's basically what the radical left is allowing to happen. And I just want to say that we have a strict choice here. It's not people often say, well, I don't like Trump. I don't care if you hate Trump.

Forget about Trump. The people that he appoints are people who will stand against this kind of thing. Your senator, your congressman, if we do not stand against what has happened to the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party will be over. It'll be over. There will be no Democratic Party. If they continue in this direction, in fact, they don't even have to continue. If they stay where they are now, eventually people are going to see this kind of thing and they're not going to, you know, there's just no way. Once it comes home to you and once it threatens your family, you're not going to go for it. But I want to say to people, please understand how bad. it is. If I am getting anywhere near anything like this, imagine people living in poor parts of the boroughs in New York City, what they're going through day in and day out. It's not right. The poor always suffer when government doesn't do its job. That's just the fact. Government is

ordained by God. Tomorrow we're going to have Pastor John MacArthur on this program, and he's going to talk about the role of government from a biblical worldview. What is the, what is the role of government? So it's really important. And of course, I can't help but think of Bonhoeffer because the book that I wrote about him, you know, changed my way of thinking dramatically. And it made me realize that we don't ask to face this kind of thing. History can sometimes come to us. And right now, everybody in this country, whether they like it or not, is facing a choice. And we know the statement that Bonhofer was supposed to have made that no one, including me, was ever able to track it down. So I can now take credit for it. If you want to know, if you don't want to falsely attribute it to

Bonhofer, I give you permission to falsely attributed to me, Eric Metaxus. But it's silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to say. speak is to speak, not to act is to act. God will not hold us guiltless. In other words, if you don't do something, do what you can vote for the candidate who will do the most to counter this sort of thing, then it is on you. There is no third option. There's no pure David French third option where I'm going to sit this one out because in the end, what happens, you will be, you'll have to share in that guilt. And so, Silence in the face of evil is itself evil means that the millions of evangelical Christians who are not registered to vote,

you better get busy, folks. You better get busy and understand that biblically you are on the hook for whatever happens if you don't vote. If you don't do the minimum, this is called the minimum and vote and take this seriously and stop using the band-aid of bad theology. you are, God will not hold you guiltless. We're all responsible for our actions, for our, for our mature adult actions. And doing nothing is doing something. So I just thought I better say that. When we come back, it's going to get crazy up in here with Jim Cavizal. You won't believe it. Stick around. Hey, folks. Welcome to the Eric Mollinger.

Metaxus show. As you know, I think I've told you, we, you've watched a number of movies about Jesus. And I thought, wouldn't it be amazing if we could get the star of one of those films on this program? And I've been telling all my friends, Max von Sied out is going to be on the program. Max von Sito is going to be on the program. And my producers told me he just passed away. And I've got to be honest with you. That makes me very angry because I was looking forward to Max von Sied out. I really wanted to talk to him about the Seventh Seal, working with Bergman, all of that now. You might as well throw it in the garbage. So I said, what else we got, guys?

And they said, we think we can get Caviesel. I said, look, I know Jim Caviesel. We've talked before. I always love to talk to him. But he's famously serious. You know, like he won't joke or whatever. And we joke around a lot on this program. And they said, look, Eric, that's all we can do.

So ladies and gentlemen, my friend Jim Caviesel. This is my first comedy. Jim, let me just tell you that I appreciate you're coming on and stepping in for Max von Sede. This could be your big break. Like when Leonard Bernstein was called up at age 25 to the lectern, you are known to just about everybody who is following this program. So that's why I feel like I can joke around. People already know who you are.

but let's, in case there are a couple of people who don't know, listening on the radio, you play Jesus in Passion of the Christ. It seems like yesterday. What year was that? Well, we started filming in 2002. It came out in 2004. Unbelievable. And I can see you're still wearing the makeup all these years later.

Well, we're doing resurrection pretty soon. You're doing a sequel called Resurrection? Passion of Christ, the resurrection. Yeah, Randy Wallace and Mel Gibson are writing it right now. It is a couple of real hacks. I know them both. Gosh. All right, listen.

Have you ever thought about retitling it instead of resurrection, Passion of the Christ to Electric Bugaloo? Have you thought about that? I thought a little bit about maybe Jesus comes back for seconds or something like that. Yeah, part two. Actually, well, part of it. three would be Jesus returns and man is he ticked. Yeah, that would be it.

But honestly, for two decades, I've heard about a possible sequel, but you're telling me that that is in fact being written by Randall Wallace and Mel Gibson. And what are they on like on a third draft now? Good guess. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've got inside information. Mel is sleeping in my guest room here.

Yeah, yeah. When we're working on a project, we like to be together and just hang. So listen, I feel like my greatest accomplishment in life up to this point is getting you to laugh more than once in 10 minutes. They just, it was edited out. It was edited. Five times they've done this. Are you seated in your own, you know, theater room there? Is that what that is?

No, this is a friend of mine's place. A friend of yours? Yeah. But your friend won't come on camera and reveal their identity. No, he's smaller than me. Wow, okay. We're here to talk about a new film you have in which you don't play Jesus, which is, it's a little shocking. So that film's coming out this weekend, which is actually why I'm really excited to get you here.

The film is called Infidel. Tell us, Jim, if you would, what is the plot of this film coming out this weekend? Well, after you play, first, you know, you play Jesus. You get very similar offers, right? Very safe for them. And when I used to go, just to give me an idea of the first thing I ever did was a Neil Simon play. So I was pretty, pretty well trained.

but this film looked at it Cyrus Norris Stap him and I did the Stoning of Soraya M. together I came into contact with him when the Passion of the Christ producer and Braveheart

Mel Gibson was a producer but the other one, Steve McAvety came to me and one of their stars fell out so I had to learn Farsi for this film Hold on Hold on

Yeah yeah That was a stumbling Forci for this film See that would be a deal breaker for me And I have I have no credibility in Hollywood But I would just be like I'm out You actually had to learn some farcy

That is astounding to me That's that's Yeah and this film Okay and so in the last one I spoke With all completely Mostly yeah I think all farcy And then this one some there'll be a couple versions

there'll be ones that is done in the for the Persian area in Iran but this one I I've read the script I called the director up and I said that he came to me originally for a smaller part Cyrus did and he said

why don't you offer me the lead and he said well I didn't think you'd do it and I said well let's go talk about it so we met And the story is, the plotline is you have a character who is a college Christian professor, theologian kind of guy who gets invited to speak in Saudi Arabia at a conference on details of Jesus and things. And his wife tells him not to do it. And it's very dangerous. And especially because the narrative does.

doesn't fit the public narrative now, the government's both in Iran and the United States, actually. And so he goes and he's kidnapped. And then at that point, it's pretty much, you know, deny Jesus's God or die. Okay, now the reason you did this, it seems to me, it's not a true story, but it might as well be, because this is happening all the time in the Middle East. We talk about that on this program as much as we can. The horror of the truly wicked persecution of Christians around the world is something that the mainstream media in America essentially ignores. Even the conservative media virtually ignores it.

Once in a while, when somebody like you does a movie on it, they may deal with it. But this is epidemic. I mean, this is the worst persecution we've seen in 2,000 years, roughly, unless you've You know, you want to talk about the Soviet Union. But it's grotesque what is happening around the world. So congrats to you and Cyrus for helping the world understand what is going on. This is a, I assume it's kind of a hard movie to watch. This is not a kid's film.

No, it's not. No, are there light moments in it where you laugh your head off? Yes. because that's just how life is at times. But, you know, it's generally quite, I mean, in the 21st century, a Christian barbaric Christian persecution is still going on, also in China. And there are a lot of collaborators.

They're involved that people that have found their heaven on this earth that sell out people of faith. And, you know, this doesn't, you know, there are, let me be very clear that when we did this film Cyrus Norostat, when I first did the Stoning Asura I am with him, he was Muslim, and he had a conversion. But his family's all Muslim, and he grew up in Iran. And he told me, he says, don't be worried about offending Muslims. He said, I know that sounds Catholic. us at first glance, but while the rest of the world is pandering to Muslim extremists, the real victims are Muslims, the ones who aren't extreme, the ones who want Pete. Correct.

They're the people group most oppressed by Islamic regimes such as Iran. You're not hurting Muslims by taking a stand against radicals. You're actually helping them. And in this film, you will see Muslims helping Christians. Christians. It's bizarre when you see it, and you'll actually see Jews helping Christians and vice versa. You know, for a long time, Israel, Palestine, whatever. The whole area used to be a peaceful area for many, many years. Christians, Muslims, Jews, they lived next to each other. If there was ever a war, there should be a war against secular extremists. Now, this is a war that needs to be fought and must be one. Look what's happening in the United States.

States right now. We're being marginalized. We've continually, we can't even go to church right now. We talk about COVID-19. Look at all the people that are committing suicide. I have a friend who's lost seven seal buddies who have committed suicide because they can't go to church. Okay, well, it might be bad to go to church. Then why are we on airplanes and you see cloths over their face? Literally bumping shoulders with. Now, listen, we are on the same. You can't go to a church. You can't go to church where you're next to each other. This is crazy.

Right now, we're going through a horrific period. We're going to go to a break, but I'm thrilled, folks, as you would guess, to be talking to Jim Cavizal. The new film, boy do I hope you check it out, is called Infidel, all across the nation opening this weekend. Please check it out. We'll be right back. Hey, folks, welcome back.

It's the Eric Metaxus show. I get to have fun. I get to join. joke around with Jim Caviesel, and I get to be serious to Jim Caviesel about an issue that's so serious that I think I got to joke around sometimes up front because I can't even bear it. But we're talking about a new film opening in theaters this weekend. I beg you, folks, these films need to be supported. It is called infidel.

It is worth your time and your money. Jim Cavizal, how many theaters do we know that this will be opening in this weekend, roughly? Okay. The last number I heard was either, I think, 1,58 or 1488, somewhere in there. That's huge. That's huge. For a film like this, that is huge. That means that virtually anybody can go see it.

And I just hope that they will. So keep talking about this. I mean, this is a passion for you. You're very serious about your faith. And you understand that around the world today, there are people being horrifically persecuted for their faith, whether it's North Korea or China or the Middle East. It's monstrous. What is the actual plot of this film? You said that this person goes to the Middle East to do a conference. Who grabs him and what happens? Well, he's in the conference and they're talking to him about yes, Jesus is Jesus as a prophet. Okay. But now he has to

make a decision whether to go along with that or speak the truth and be bold about it. And he chooses the latter. And, you know, but we didn't just bring this up out of thin air. Like this guy that was looking into in the backstory of Bob Levinson, here's a man who was kidnapped off the island of Kish in the Persian Gulf in 2000. 2007, he was kidnapped by the Iranian government. And we know this because in, that was in 2007, 2012, there's pictures of him in a prison in Tehran. And then subsequently, the Iranian government denied ever holding him at all.

But of U.S. intel, we have that information, his family released, that it looked like that he, it is highly probable that he died in captivity there. So we're aware that this goes on. We saw briefly a moment of Christians, 21 of them, who had every chance to renounce their faith in Jesus. And they refused. They put their faith in Jesus Christ above their own lives. And they were executed. They were decapitated.

I mean, this is in the 21st century. And also, I mean, the film explores, you know, know, the executions honor kings in families here. Recently, one in July, where a father chased down his own daughter and then beat her to death, then drank tea while waiting for the paramedics to arrive and the police. And, I mean, it's ugly things to talk about, but you have to expose it in order to draw it out into light. and so these human rights violations how I look at it

is if when my life is done and I could have done something and some I'm not I mentioned the Navy SEALs I'm not a Navy SEALs I'm not a Navy SEAL but I can't do what they do but I can do I can be an actor and I can do my part in exposing this stuff and that we all should have

rights, you know, inalienable rights, women's rights. We should all have a right to choice. And this is not a theocracy in our country where they stick a gun to your head and say either believe this or die. You know, in this country, you get to choose what you want to believe in. And I believe that God would want it that way because that's love, right? See, we're not forced to love them. But that's not the way it is in a lot of the world.

And this little experiment, democracy, it's been around for a couple centuries. It's just really an experiment when you think of the, if you go back into biblical times and you want to look up at, you know, Pharaoh, if you want to look up what the Romans did. Okay, look at Pharaoh. I mean, the mass killings of children and we get Moses. You know, they didn't get him.

Mass killings, they tried to get Jesus. They didn't get him. Look at the mass killings. children now. These are human rights violations that are going on at different parts. Some people say, I'm not interested in this. I get it. You know, until they come for you. Well, can you imagine that in the United States of America, we have become, we've been so blessed that we have gotten tremendously soft and self-centered. Netflix is airing effectively pedophilia for entertainment. We have all kinds of garbage being filmed. We know that people are making a lot of money off of it.

And we're in a war for the lives of kids, for the lives of people around the world. So I just want to applaud you and your team, Cyrus in particular, for being willing to make a film on this subject. I cannot tell you how it gives me joy to know that there are folks like you in Hollywood doing what you're doing. Of course, we're all looking forward to the sequel of the passion of the Christ. I know you're taking time out from writing that to do this interview, but you've got to know that a lot of people look to you as a hero in Hollywood because there are not so many people who'd be willing to take the kind of roles that you do.

This is heroic stuff. We're going to go to a break. I don't want you to respond to my praise. I know you'll blush. You're a humble man, but we're just so grateful for you. And again, for Cyrus, this film is coming out this weekend. Folks, you've just got to write it down and you've got to go. It's opening up all across the country, 1,500 theaters.

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whopping savings and really high quality products. Did I mention that? Thank you. Hey there, folks. I have the privilege and honor of bringing to you, my guest, Jim Cavizal. You know him from a number of films, probably principally from The Passion, which came out in 2004. It's amazing. Seems like yesterday.

You've got to struggle, Jim, with, this almost seems funny, but, you know, being typecast. not only by Hollywood producers, but by people who associate you with that role. I mean, there are worse things, but that's just going to be a part of your life that you have had to come to make peace with, almost exactly the way Henry Winkler made peace with being known as the Fonz.

Well, I'll tell you, playing Jesus is a whole other level than playing the Fonz. You know, I can understand where you're, where you were you going there i'll tell you i just want to yeah jim that was a that was called a stupid joke i was going no place with that i was just trying to get you a smile go ahead i understand the the one thing is is that when you go into a middle eastern country you know they they might most a lot of celebrity movies start they don't know but they know who jesus is and and that's a whole big thing when you go into other countries that don't even believe in your religion there is a

respect of of Jesus. Even in Muslim countries, when I go into a film like this one, the execution of it is, I'm into the artistry. In other words, there's a thriller aspect to this. This is action. There's an action film. I don't go out and make religious films. This is just part of the, of this story. And a lot of times when I go and see religious films or whatnot, they're preaching and they're crap. I mean, they really are. There's sentimental hogwash a lot of them. And when we made the passion of the Christ, you know, there was a great execution in the artistry in Mel Gibson, how he was going to tell the story. That's what I do when I go out and make it. If I see a movie like Ben Hur.

If I'm a non-believing person and I go and watch that, I'm absolutely moved by the story of, and I go back to the Roman soldier going up to Jesus and they ask him to come into his house and Jesus has to take me with. You said, no, no, no, I can't do

that. I know if you say the word, my servant will be healed and he turns to his apostles and he says he has greater faith than you. So that's what I'm thinking about that this guy was so powerful that he would impress a group of special forces, guys that are real, that don't even know who God is, and they're blown away with that. And so I never, and Jesus was absolutely authentic. So the stories that I'm looking for, and as the execution, I'm looking for guys like Cyrus Norristad, infidel. when people go to the film, they're proud to be a Christian, that this is, that we can be a very big part of this game and that we have the truth.

And the redemption is there. And really, it's the execution of this story. But there's no sentimental hogwash. That's what makes this kind of film powerful. And it's a thrill ride. You know, you're watching. And it's better than many, many thrillers that are in the, theater for the last 10 years. A lot of them are crap. They just throw up green screen.

There's no art in that. It's funny. I have to say, I mean, because I know you're Catholic. The one thing that I've noticed is that in Catholic theology, you all seem to have an ability to get the dark side and the chariscusro to use an Italian term. And a lot of times more quote-unquote evangelical films. You know, it's about wheat fields. It looks like a Chevy commercial sometimes. And Dashtayevsky and anybody who really is dealing with

Christian faith on any level, you see the darkness. I have, long before I ever met you, I was praising the passion of the Christ specifically for that, that Mel had the ability to tell the dark side of the story, to show the evilness of the evilness

of the evil so that the goodness of Jesus shines in a way that will not happen if you make a film that looks like, as I always joke, you know, I say a Chevy commercial. So I actually think that's very important to art in general, but that's my long way of saying congratulations to you and to Cyrus in getting that. I just want to I appreciate the compliment, but let me return it in this way. Michael W. Smith is one of my best friends. And that guy goes, to the heart of the story as far as producing great, great music. Some people, when they look at it, like Randy Wallace, he's an evangelical. He knows whatever this, that Christian heart is, which is going to be based in the Gospels, which is the fact that when you listen to the love of what Paul is

speaking about in the Romans, let's say, but you know this guy is going to be executed, okay? And the fact that he could talk like that, there are plenty, trust me, there are plenty of Catholics out there that water it down. They like their happy Jesus too. What I'm looking for is a guy, and I play to the fullest. This is a guy who is an evangelical who, despite his own teachings and whatnot, he's going to mix it up because he knows that what he read in the gospels and what he read in the Bible is that these guys gave their lives for the son of God. Peter denied him three times. Can you imagine going to the Romans and saying, turn me upside down? Yeah, baby. I mean, they turned him around.

Not getting that reference. That is one of the most moving things I've ever heard. It's not on the scripture, but it's in our Christian tradition that Peter, when he was crucified, felt so unworthy of being crucified in the way that his Savior was crucified, that he asked to be crucified upside down. That is something that will never fail to bring tears to my eyes. It's just an unbelievable moment of heroism and beauty. And he struggles through it through his entire life, you know, because obviously we know about the fishes, right? So he goes off and grabs all the fishes and he grabs so many of them.

And Jesus asked him three times. And when I was a kid, I just went, okay, do you love me, deal on me, deal on me. But it was what's profound about it is in my heart, a heart. When I was, as I was praying deeply, I asked him three different ways. And I knew as he's speaking through me. Now this is my own interpretation. What you saw on the passion of the Christ

was an experience of where I don't want the world to see me, Jim Cavizal. I want them to see Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or whatever he was up there, the God that we believe. And all I can reference is the people that I know, look, I'm a Catholic for a reason. I was raised that way. Hold on. Because this radio is going to hard break,

ugly interruption. My apologies, we'll be right back. Hey there, folks. Welcome back. As you know, we're talking to Jim Caviesel, but Jim just took a phone call from an angry Barbara Streisand who's been listening to this radio program.

She takes issue with some of the comments that he just made. And I can tell you, it wasn't pretty on the break. And so I said to him, why don't you go, you take care of Babs, because that's what we call her. Her friends call her Babs. You take care of Barbara and calm her down.

And why don't you, why don't you come back an hour or two? So in hour two, in a couple of minutes, we're going to be back with Jim Caviesel. And we'll continue the conversation with him. We'll probably just talk to him for the first 10 minutes. And then after that, we're still hoping to get Bill O'Reilly, who is a hot under the collar, gigantic Irishman. And if he takes a swing at you, you're going down.

Do you guys remember the Godfather? You remember McCluskey? Oh, yeah. When he confronts Al Pacino, and he says, stand him up. You remember that? Yeah. And he takes a whack at him.

No. That's Bill O'Reilly. He played that role. That was 1971, I guess. And he's still big and tough. He's a big, tough Irishman, and he's scary. Anyway, we're going to try to get him. He writes all those killing books, so you know he can't be that nice, you know?

By the way, Eric, I looked up that quote that you did in the opening of the show, the one about, you know. Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak, not to act as to act. God will not hold us guiltless. People often quote Bonhofer. In fact, I used to say, oh, yeah, Bonhofer said that. I didn't quote it in my book because I couldn't find the source. for it and I thought this is bizarre.

Yeah. And then I realized that we don't, we simply don't know who said it. So I'm now saying people can attribute it to me. Yes, but I won't object. But I Googled it and it's WC. Fields. Oh, my goodness. Ha, ha. Oh, my gosh.

He says that in the bank dick, in the first reel. That's so terrific. You know, Albin, you're a film historian. We all respect you as one of the great film historians of our time. and I have to say for you to be able to come up with that. What's that? Fun Facts Fridays. No, it's pretty incredible.

Chris, are you not in awe of our friend, Albin, to know that W.C. Fields came up with that quote. Yeah, that was amazing. I thought at first maybe it was Benny Hill because it kind of sounded like him. And he had a famous quote that I actually love. It's called Do unto Others and Run, which is... That was a 70s TV show.

There was a 70s T-shirt that said, do unto others then split. Yes. And I thought, man, that's just beautiful. Jim Cavizal, I heard getting back to him, his movie Infidel, which is about, I guess, the 70s disco era and other sort of things. He is such a method actor that apparently that film left him with a chronic case of boogie fever, which he...

Holy cow. That's worse than dengue fever. But you know what? They say chloroquine, the oxychloroquine, knocks it right out. And also Fauci said that vitamin D and C are very good to take against that. But he doesn't want the public to know that because he's in favor of death. That's why Dr. Fauci, they call him Dr. Death. And I just got to say that it's important that we all understand.

Boogie fever is something you need to take seriously. So, man, I hope Covesel can beat that. I didn't know that. Well, he's going to be back in the next segment after he talks with Streisand when she gets angry. but he's going to be back on for our opening 10 in just a couple of minutes. And then after that, we're going to try to get Bill O'Reilly. If we don't get Bill O'Reilly, I don't know what we're going to do. I think Adrian Barbeau is in the green room, and we'll see if we can talk to Adrian Barbeau.

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