The Eric Metaxas Show - Jim Kunstler

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

Eric is joined by Jim Kunstler to discuss his recent article "The Magic Moment"

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but Jim Kusler, welcome back. Hey, you forgot to say I baked cookies and make my own clothes. You know what? In my mind, I said it, but I said, I don't want my audience to hear that kind of vulgar language. Yeah, that's the most important thing. I've known you literally since the fall of 1985 when we were just on the playground together.

But you've written many, many books, but what concerns me now, what I want to discuss with you now, is what you're writing about what's happening in America. People can find you at Jimcunceler.com. Is that right? No. Just cuncelor.com.

K-U-N-S-T-L-E-R. Oh, even better. Consular.com, K-U-N-S-T-L-E-R dot com. K-U-N-S-T-L-R dot com. All right. You wrote a piece 11 days ago, 10 days ago called the magic moment.

My friend Tim Ragland sent it to me. He said, have you seen this? And I hardly read anything, so I hadn't seen it. But it talked about where we are in the country, and I thought, I've just got to get you back on because you see very clearly what's happening. And you talk about it in a fascinating way. So can we talk about that piece first? Yeah, but you know, you're going to have to remind me a little because I'm two blogs ahead of that. You know, I published twice a week.

Well, now I know. I know. Well, this one you say, you're quoting Marjorie Taylor Green in the beginning. And she says, Marjorie Taylor Green, this is, in my opinion, the worst thing that's ever happened in our country in my lifetime in the world and the government's role cannot be denied. She's talking about the vaccination stuff. Oh, gosh, yeah. And you start, I will actually read your opening paragraph to remind you and to tee up my audience. You say, history is a trickster. It unfolds emergently with uncanny creativity, often blindsiding humanity with the unanticipated consequences and nonlinear outcomes of previous unfoldings. So here we are now in a second civil war. Really? between whom you might ask, between truth and untruth, between a sociopathic, bureaucratic blob, steeped in lies,

and a citizenry obliged to live and die by the blobs lies. And then you go into the vaccine stuff. I think I remember now. Suddenly it comes to you, yeah. Yeah, well, you know, the situation that we're in, or more precisely under, is a, culture and a government that governs that culture stuck in a recursive feedback loop of lying. And it can't get out of this feedback loop. You know, the more that it lies, the more it feels it is necessary to lie.

And the lies have spread comprehensively through just about every office, bureau, department, and tentacle of this enormous body that governs us. and it's really coming to the point where there's going to have to be a fight over this. And I think that fight is shaped up pretty well right now. And, you know, part of it is going to be a fight over whether Joe Biden gets to remain in office as long as he wants to, which is probably not as much as even his party wants him to remain in office. and we have reason to believe that he wants to remain in office at this point solely to retain the power to pardon himself for the racketeering of his family. I mean, there's so much here in what you've already just said.

I mean, first of all, we have to deal with whether we can have an actual election where we the people get to vote in as president, the person whom we choose. Without that, there is no America. So that suddenly is a question. And so when you talk about a civil war between truth and lies, I mean, the idea that that is part of what we have to deal with right now, I mean, that really kind of, you know, is everything. Because if you can't do that, you can't move forward. So that's one piece of it. Then, of course, you mention about, you know, whether Biden can stay in office as long as he wants. So it's tied into the fact that there are all these people and some of them competing with each other,

but they don't really care how they keep Trump. Let's say it. How they keep Trump out of office. He scares them to death as well he should. So that's part of what's on the table. How far will they go? I believe, and I think this is what you're intimating, that they would do literally anything that they could to stay in power. They worship power.

But not only do they worship power, they want to stay out of jail and they want to stay away from being prosecuted because, you know, we're talking about at this point hundreds of people who are going to be libel to prosecution for a panoply of crimes. You know, everything from the criminal misbehavior in the FDA and the CDC and their, you know, their operation with the drug, companies, the criminal behavior around censorship and managing the press and managing social media and stepping on the First Amendment, the whole business of malicious prosecutions in the Department of Justice, including the enormous number of people involved in the January 6th prosecutions. You know, these are all prosecutable crimes. and they're fairly straightforward once you get away from the, you know,

gaslighting and attempted mind control that is an enormous force in everyday life now. But Jim, one of the things, yeah. I'm more amazed every day that I talk to old friends who are truly unable to sort out reality anymore. But that's kind of the point, though, isn't it? In other words, that the reason we're on this knife edge is, I mean, actually, you know, know I've written a book about Nazi Germany. And the point is that it's not very different. In other words, Nazi Germany, the moment Hitler becomes chancellor and president in one, all the laws don't go away, not all the judges are corrupt. You still have a semblance of

legality. I mean, even up until the very end of the Third Reich, you have courts, and it's not like a Kim Jong-un dictatorship yet, but it gets closer and closer. So the question, of course, is where are we on that line? And it strikes me that, you know, you and I both still have hope. We see that there is, to some extent, the rule of law, prosecutable offenses, that there are some people willing to see reality and to move forward. But as you just said, there are plenty who aren't. ultimately the question. How many do we have? Where are we in that equation? Yeah, and I don't think we know. What we do know is that the institutional capture, the institutional capture has been tremendous, and the corruption of the institutions has been awesome. And so, you know,

we get in a situation now where nobody really can believe that the D.C. federal court will try a case fairly. Nobody, I say nobody, and a lot of people, at least half the country, does not believe that the 2020 election was upright, nor do they see any attempt to really correct the mechanisms of it that allowed it to be corrupt in the first place, you know, the mail-in ballots and all of the other business that was associated with ballot fraud. And so we don't have a lot of conference. in our institutions. And at some point, you know, there have to be brave people who will step forward and correct these things. And the only one who's on the playing field right now appears to be Elon Musk. Okay, hang on. Hang on. We're talking to Jim Kunstler, folks. You can find

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what he's writing. So, Jim, we're talking about a lot of stuff, but you just brought up Elon Musk. You were making a point. Keep going. Well, I was talking about who is going to step forward and actually make a difference in this battle of truth against lies. And, you know, Elon, for all of the criticism he's subject to, and, you know, being as wealthy as he is and in the position he's, he's in and, you know, as controversial as he works at being, he still appears to be actually a rather heroic figure at this point. You know, he is the one person who is doing something to salvage free expression in this country. And for the moment, Twitter is pretty much a place where you can express your opinions freely and post things that people will see in large numbers so that, you know,

the public discussion will not be completely hijacked by nefarious interests in government and elsewhere who want to gaslight us and corral us into a very bad situation where we're, you know, completely controlled and have left behind, really, our Democratic Republic. There are a lot of people who are fighting, and I think that's what gives me hope, is that as many people as have proven themselves to be cowards, there are people fighting. Part of what I find interesting, I mean, this is sort of a principle, and I've written about it in the book that I have coming out, I guess, in April,

but if you think about the principle of cancel culture, and you think about the famous Martin Niemuller poem, you know, first they came for the socialist, and I didn't speak up, and first they came. The principle that we're supposed to all learn is you don't need to agree with the people they're coming from. If they come for some jerk that you disagree with, the principle of the fact that they're coming for him, you ought to stand with him on that principle, that we live in a society where we allow people to have different points of view. And cancel culture can only thrive if people don't have the courage to do that.

So I think about somebody like Elon Musk, I disagree with him on all kinds of stuff. But the way he's heroically standing up for free speech, you just say, I want to stand with that guy. I don't care what his views are on this or this or this or this. The fact that he is taking a stand there is extraordinary because the threats to free speech have been so clear that somebody like that's willing to stick it out there. I think of other people that I disagree with on almost everything, like Governor Kathy Hochel or however the New York governor right now,

who is a monster. However, just shocked me by coming out strongly and saying the opposite of what all of these Ivy League presidents have said. She said that, you know, we will not tolerate that kind of speech on, you know, New York universities, that we will consider that unacceptable, whatever it was. I thought there were people popping up who, with whom I would disagree on almost everything, but at least they're getting that right. At least they're not, you know, what's her name, gay from Harvard, who's unwilling to say that. So we're seeing a kind of, we're seeing something new,

in our lives, I guess, is that things are so bad in some ways. I mean, the naked anti-Semitism, the crushing of free speech, that some people that you might not predict are popping up and saying, excuse me, I object. Well, I wouldn't give Governor Hokel of New York too much credit because let's remember, you know, she, the governor of New York represents, you know, millions and millions of Jewish people, unlike most of the other states in this country. So, you know, she's got a very large constituency, many of them, probably at least 70% of them, Democratic voters, who are not going to tolerate her, you know, not standing up for Israel. And so, you know, that is, I think, something of a dodge.

What is more important to me, and I've been harping on quite a bit in my blogs every Monday and Friday, is the failure, in fact, maybe even the treason and cowardice of the intellectual class in America, the thinking class, the people who occupy all the academic chairs, the people who run the universities and, to a large extent, the arts community itself, which has been horrendously wrong about most of the important issues of the last 10 years. And the failure of the intellectual class is a tremendous tragedy for American in life. And the fact that they, you know, that they are actively helping to suppress free speech and, you know, producing a whole new generation of people who don't believe in the foundational

ideas of this country is a terrible tragedy. Well, but you know and I know that this has been going on for decades. It's just gotten worse and worse and worse and worse. And now we're seeing the fruit. Well, I was a newspaper reporter myself in the 1970s. And, you know, we're seeing a different breed of porpoise now in the newsrooms of America. You know, we never saw anything like the dreadful sycophancy and the Nazi-like obedience of today's reporters in following the narratives that are issued by the intel community that they follow. And what's astonishing about that is that none of them seems to step out of line. You know, they're also amazingly regimented.

So one really gets the effect that you're, under the sway of a ghastly government operation? No, look, there's no doubt about that. I totally agree with you. The only point that I mean to make is that it didn't happen overnight or it didn't happen suddenly. In other words, I think that the seeds were there in the 70s or the 80s and that we've been, it's been getting worse and worse and worse and suddenly we're here, where people are unwilling.

I guess it's kind of like the, you know, Nazi Germany, the spiral of silence, that there was a moment where people could speak up. But if enough didn't, then the crowd decides, well, I better go along with things. And I kind of feel I've watched that evolution. And in any event, there are now almost no real journalists on what used to be institutions, the New York Times, the Washington Post. They're all in lockstep, which is. unbelievably sickening. Well, I think the lesson is we shouldn't pay too much attention to the old legacy news media. There is a lot of alternative news media out there, of which both you and I are apart.

Well, how about pay no attention to the legacy? Honestly, I cannot bear to read, even to look in the direction of those places, because it's so, they are so defiled that I don't understand, you know, unless maybe there's sports scores or something. I have no idea why anybody would pick up a New York Times at this point. I mean, that they were always lefties, but where they are now is it's beyond the pale. Yeah, they have no shame and it's pretty appalling. It's, you know, something that strikes me is that there is some kind of a different form of degeneracy

that we're seeing in late American empire life than quite what we saw in Germany in the 1930s. The Germans at least had some excuses. in the 1920s, you know, having been through, having lost a war and been through a terrible inflation and depression, they were really seriously demoralized as a group. But, you know, they were also a homogenous people, whereas we are not. You know, we are an unmelting pot. You know, we are becoming just a sort of scattered group of ethnic and cultural interests who can't seem to find their way to a common culture. And, you know, partly or largely, I blame the whole idea of multiculturalism.

Oh, yeah, no, multiculturalism. But think about how far back that goes. That goes back to the 80s. I mean, we had, you know, Jesse Jackson chanting, hey, hey, ho-ho, Western Siv has got to go. That's in the 80s that this multicultural nonsense was appearing. Exactly where that came from. You know, it comes from basically liberalism's disappointment with the outcome of the civil rights movement.

You know, it just didn't work out that well. It was a wonderful, marvelous, important crusade, but it was very disappointing for a lot of liberals, and they're ashamed of it. Now, wait, why do you say that? Because I've not heard that. That's interesting. Well, I mean, you know, the civil rights movement was supposed to uplift all of the marginalized people of the United States, and it clearly has not succeeded in doing that. We have, you know, a larger and more violent criminal class than we ever had in 1965.

And so what happens is out of the disappointment that the liberals feel over that is that they decided, well, okay, we can't have a common culture because not everybody wants to subscribe to that and believe in the same things and act the same way. So we'll have a multicultural society. And that didn't work either. And so now we can't fight our way back to a common culture of people who agree on things of value and behavior that everybody needs to subscribe to. That's a very interesting take. You are a genuinely original thinker. I want to revisit that when we come back. In the meantime, folks, go to consular.com. And do not forget our campaign with CSI. Go to metaxistalk.com. Click on the banner. We are literally freeing slaves. Literally, yeah,

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with how the civil rights movement didn't really achieve what people had hoped. To me, that brings us back to, you know, Senator Moynihan's 1965 report on the black family. And, you And that ultimately, if you try to create a government solution, which is what LBJ was doing with the great society, and it's just not going to work, that somehow that can't work, you have to deal with the root of things. And the root of things, ultimately, the strength of a culture has to do with families and marriages and that kind of thing. And liberals in America decided we don't want to go there. We're not for that. We just want to do it through some legislation. Well, we had tremendous demographic dislocations in the mid-20th century.

And, you know, one of the largest ones was the movement of southern sharecroppers into the industrial cities. You know, and they arrived there in the 1950s for practical purposes. And by 1970, all the jobs they went up there to move to were disappearing. And so we ended up with a lot of industrial cities in the northeast and the Midwest that no longer had an industrial base and where a man could not make a living. And that was very destructive to the family structure of American blacks. But then, you know, we made it worse by deciding that we were going to. to make them wards of the national government in place of that. And that's part of the unforeseen consequences of the social policy of the 1960s and 70s.

And we have not been able to, you know, that is another kind of intractable recursive feedback loop that we can't get out of. And the Democratic Party has made the most of it by, you know, making Minority America a kind of plantation class of slaves on the Democratic plantation. Somebody wrote an article. I think beginning to sort of snap out of that. Somebody wrote an article about, I guess it was at MSN.com, about how the president of Harvard,

I don't know if by the time we air this, she will have resigned or been, hoisted on her own petard. I don't know what's going to happen. But somebody wrote an article saying that the reason they themselves, who are black, never checked that box, is because they didn't want to

go down the path that President Gay of Harvard went down, where everything is race-based. And you kind of get sucked into a system, which sounds like a kind of slavery. You're enslaved to an ideology. You can't really think for yourself.

You can't speak for yourself. You're beholden to the people who allowed you to get tenure or whatever it is. And it's just a different kind of enslavement, obviously. Yeah. And, you know, it extends from the meanest ghetto neighborhood to what has become the ghetto of Harvard, where, you know, you have the top of the liberal plutocracy or whateverocracy we want to call it, basically now being composed of careerists who are trying to make the most of the diversity, inclusion, and equity rules and games in order to make careers for themselves. And Claudine Gaye at the president of Harvard, I think, is one of the outstanding examples of that sort of careerism that has led an institution into really,

intellectual degeneracy. I think the Ivy League is dead. I mean, honestly, just the way the New York Times is dead. Do you go to those schools? Of course, yeah. That's how I can speak with authority and not as the scribes.

No, these places have been, you know, like when we were talking about journalism, they have been in decline for a very, very long time. Listen, Buckley wrote his book, God and Man at Yale, about the Yale of the late 40s. Okay, so this is like the trickle-down effect.

This was already in the professors and in the academy, and it trickles down, trickles down, until we finally get here, where lying is normative, where it's all about power, where virtue, principle, honor. None of these things is taken seriously, which, of course, brings us to our government right now

in the Democratic Party. You spoke about Stephen Kirsch giving a talk not long ago about the vaccines. That in some ways the vaccines is a good place to talk about censorship and collusion between big pharma, big tech, big governments. Do you want to talk about that for a moment? Well, it's just a dreadful, ugly story. we still don't know the truth about what the pandemic disease COVID-19 really was. I think David Martin probably has the best take on it, and that is that, you know, it all started with a lot of mischief under Ralph Barrett

at the University of North Carolina Lab in Chapel Hill, funded by Fauci and assisted by Peter Dasick of the Eco. Health Alliance into kind of a racketeering operation to make a lot of money. And as for the vaccine itself, you know, that's a gigantic two-mile-long freight train of misdeeds and lies and racketeering operations that have left millions of Americans injured and dead. Millions of Americans injured and dead. That's correct. And we're going to pick up right there in a moment. Don't go away. Pillow is excited to bring you their biggest betting sale ever and just in time for Christmas.

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you know, a lot of people aren't willing to say. The vaccines have caused a lot of people to suffer tremendous injuries of various kinds and many actual deaths. You and I are both convinced as a result of the so-called vaccines. Talk more about that because, you know, the New York Times,

the Washington Post, they won't even begin to report on this. It's a stunning thing. Yeah, and I think partly because they'll end up being criminally liable in one way or another for purveying and for conniving and colluding with the people who did this. But, you know, we learn something new and different every day about these vaccines. They're very complex. One of the latest things is we understand that the pseudoridine component of the vaccine, now turns out to produce a 30% rate of creating rogue proteins other than the thing that they're directed to produce

or what the MRNA messenger in the lipid nanoparticle is supposed to produce. So 30% of the cells in your body are producing some sort of, if you, you've been vaccinated and boosted, are producing some sort of rogue proteins that your body is identifying as being not part of your body. Okay. And setting up immune problems and autoimmune problems for yourself. But what does this remind us of? I mean, this is like social engineering.

This is when people play God and they mess around with stuff. There are unbelievable, unintended consequences. It happens every time. I mean, when you try to play God with the family, as the left did and Johnson did in the 60s. You're incentivizing women not to have a man around the house. You're destroying the family. What are the unintended consequences of that through the decades?

Now you're talking about people saying, hey, we've got a magic pill, a magic jab. It's going to do this and this and this, and we're going to make a lot of money. And the unintended consequences are just mind bending. I mean, we haven't even begun to see. You say that the New York Times and other places aren't reporting on it because they're afraid that they're going to get sued off a cliff. Do you have any hope that anything like that could happen? I would be so delighted if something like that. I think there are going to be terrible consequences for them, but I'm not sure that they'll still be in business by the time that happens.

You know, I think the news landscape in whatever form it takes is going to change a lot. I mean, it's already changed tremendously, but we're still in for more. My own guess would be, you know, the macro trend for everything is relocalization and downscaling of our activity. So, you know, you can expect things to get more local and to become more fine-grained and more scale toward the regions and the towns that we live in. And, you know, that's a whole other discussion. So you don't think the globalists will succeed in taking over because they're given? The globalists are absolutely on the other side of the macro trend. You know, they believe that the trend is for global control

when, in fact, the real trend in society and economy is to relocalize, re-regionalize for the world to become a larger place again. not a smaller, easier to control place. And we can see that happening right in front of us. And it also implies the breakup of things that are gigantic into things that are more manageable in size. And that includes nations, corporations, schools, institutions of all kinds. So that's the process that we're really entering,

not the command and capture and control model of the globalists. Well, obviously, you know, if we let things, take their logical and natural course, what you're saying is correct. But Klaus Schwab and others are not exactly inclined to let things take their natural course. They want to work hard to fight against what's natural and normal, the will of the people. They don't really care. They don't believe in those principles. Well, they can't overcome the laws of physics, and they can't overcome the basic.

the basic fact that societies are essentially emergent in nature, meaning that they respond to the realities of the circumstances of the time we're living in, and they work their way and their will toward their own outcomes. You can't refute the mandates of reality. I'm with you on that. But what I'm trying to say is that they are trying hard to do that. exactly what they're trying to do. And look, Kim Jong-un, his family's done it for decades in North Korea. The Soviet Union existed for 70 years. You know, evil can prevail for more than a few minutes.

Yeah, it can. And, you know, I think this is going to be a rather rough period ahead, too. And that one of the features, one of the emergent features of the landscape that we're looking at is going to be a landscape of considerable disorder in in politics, society, and government. And we ought to be prepared for that. It probably means that a lot of things are going to come out of that disorder in a different condition than they went in, although I think that we will see a recognizable American culture come out of this. But there will be fewer survivors of it. Yeah. Well, I want to see. if I can drag you over into the next segment. In the meantime, folks, let me remind you. We are doing a campaign with CSI, Christian Solidarity International, literally to free slaves in Sudan.

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To some extent, that's healthy. But at some point, you can't function as a republic unless people roughly believe that the press is doing its best to tell the truth and the government is doing its best to root out corruption. Where do you see it going this next year? Well, Joseph Goebbels, who was Adolf Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, put it very nicely and very simply. He said, if you're going to tell a lie, tell a whopper. And that's exactly what we're seeing is, you know, one whopper after another. And the biggest whopper of the moment is that Joe Biden is

running for re-election. It's preposterous. He's not running for re-election. Nobody, including probably the majority of people in his own party, nobody believes that he's capable of running for re-election again or serving another term. You know, he's obviously, incapacitated. And he's obviously also legally incapacitated because he's at the head of the spear of a racketeering operation that's now being uncovered and is going to be prosecuted. So the whole, you know, we hear this term the big lie incessantly, but the big lie of the moment and something that is disordering the collective American mind tremendously is this notion that Joe Biden is running for re-election when clearly he's not. Now, the problem for the Democratic

Party is they seem to have absolutely no one who can step into that role now, you know, and if they're, you know, if they're going to remain a party that can compete in national elections, they're going to have to come up with somebody better than Gavin's innocent. You don't think that that Hillary Clinton would step up to serve her country? I think she would want to do that. And I think she would. probably offer to do that, but let's face it. She is so broadly and deeply disliked by the people of this country. And her own, you know, her own background now, especially in the last 10 years, is so full of

criminal activity with her foundation that, you know, she would be subject to probably the same kind of, you know, going over that Joe Biden was. received. And, you know, we would find out, we would be reminded about all of the racketeering around the Skolkavo incident in Russia and about the uranium one deal and many other things that she participated in and made a fortune out of. Okay, we've got a minute left. What about Michelle Obama? Forget about it. No, it's, that's, that's another joke. These are all gags. These are all gag candidates. You know, Gavin Newsom, you know, all you would have to do is, you know, show video of the streets of San Francisco in Los Angeles, you know, 24-7, and that would be the end of his campaign.

So it's a joke. Maybe there's some obscure Democratic governor somewhere. Claudine Gay. Claudine Gay may be looking for a job. But, I mean, it's more, you can more easily see the Democratic Party going entirely out of business than you can see them coming up with a credible candidate for president. So the whole Joe Biden for president thing is a joke. And I get 40 emails a day from his campaign, you know, asking me to give them money. And I think that it's just hilarious.

It's unbelievable. We're at a time. Always a pleasure to speak with you, Jim. Thanks for being on. Folks, go to consular.com. You owe it to yourself to read what Jim Kunstler is writing at least twice a week, consular.com. And don't forget to go to Metaxistock.com and to give to CSI.

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