The Eric Metaxas Show - Jody Hice

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

Jody Hice, Former United States Representative, joins to discuss election integrity 

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And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the Airways, Eric Mat, Texas. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. I am sitting with Albin Seder. What? Yes. Not only are you here, but you're there also. I'm here and there.

No, you've written an article. Everywhere. I wanted to ask you about it. You've written an article at The American Thinker. It is called the Fundamental Unraveling of America. This is something you and I have talked about a lot. I'm glad you wrote about it in an article. But what's the gist?

Well, the whole gist is, you know, when Barack Obama came on the scene and he said it's going to be a fundamental transformation of America, people were like, oh, great, we're going to think. In a sense, they were thinking, oh, he's going to make America great again. Think how, but I'm saying you picked up on this. Yeah. When Obama said that, it's an extraordinary thing, a fundamental transformation of America. You think what we should have said. was, wait a minute, why would you want a fundamental transformation of America? How bad is America that you would say such a thing? Well, I say in this article, because he's running for election to be

president of the country. It's almost like, I want to marry this country. I have an example in this article, the fundamental unraveling of America, where it's like you marry somebody and say, I love you, I love you. You get married and say, okay, now, honey, I want you to be a different person. You know, I don't really love you per se, but I love what you can become, what I can mold you into. I'm going to change you foundationally. And when you change a foundation in this country, you're changing the constitution. You're changing, you're making it a different country. It might be in the same location, but it's a different building that you're putting up there, folks. And he lay the groundwork for what is happening today. That's right. And Hillary was supposed

to follow him, but a wrecking ball named Donald J. Trump came in and boom. And then after those four years, They said, no, no, no, no, no, we got to keep it going. Actually, before you even get to that, we need to be clear, from day one of Trump's administration, we now know, right, that Hillary Clinton and others created this fiction, these lies of this Russian dossier and Russian collusion. And they did this to hamstring his presidency for four years. And we've never seen anything like it. And now that we know what happened, I mean, we could see what was happening is going on. but a lot of people didn't believe it. They took it seriously.

There was Russian collusion, whatever. So you have the Mueller report. It goes on and on and on and on. They were at war with the American people's choice back then. So you have eight years of Obama. Then you have Trump gets in, and he and Hillary Clinton and others went to war with him during his administration. And then, of course, in 2020, stole the election. Folks, if you don't know the election was stolen, I'm sorry to say,

it was and the facts are coming out every day. It was obvious. And in my book, obvious, I spend the whole fourth part of the book, like 12 chapters, short chapters, four pages each about the obvious factor of the election. So pick up obvious if you get a chance. But in this article, I also talk about the Jesse Smollett playbook. And in the Jesse Smollett playbook, and just in case you're not familiar, that means if you can't find a crime, you've got to make one up. Right now today, even in a courthouse with Donald Trump and many courthouses, either in D.C. or New York, basically,

Donald Trump is on trial for made-up crimes because they couldn't find an actual crime. You know something, like, if your heart doesn't break over this, folks, that this country that we've come to this place, we have to fight to take our country back, to bring real justice, so that when you go into a court of law, you don't say this is a game.

You believe in the idea of justice, these noble ideas. And this is ultimately what happened in the presidency of Barack Obama, in the deep state attacking Donald Trump, and then during this nightmare of the last four years under the so-called Biden administration. Yeah, and my twin brother was recently in a cemetery, and he was looking, a lot of cemeteries have this, rows and rows of white crosses of men and women, young men and women, who put their very lives on the line to die for this country so that they can prevent tyranny over across the seas. And now we have tyranny right here in this country.

And you can imagine if those men and women were alive today to look at it and say, what, kindergarten kids getting sex books, guys transforming into men, into women, and, you know, wide open borders, letting people just pour across. And election day is now election season where we'll keep counting those ballots until we get the result we won. Do you think that's why people died, these young men and women? Well, this is your point I know, is that we owe those people everything that we need to get in the fight. They literally gave their lives so that we could have freedom so that we could advocate for what's right and good and true. And if you're not advocating for those things, if you're not active, if you're not voting, it's a shameful thing.

But there are many. I keep saying this in my book's letter to the American Church. and the new book is that there are many people that think they have some religious exemption. And when you see injustice, I mean, and if anybody reads in your book obvious how the election was stolen, folks, you're going to be responsible. This is on the test. The election actually was stolen. It's a nightmare that that could happen in America, but it happened. But what makes it even worse is how many people said, nah, there's no evidence shut up. Let's just accept it. And I think, myself, wow, how could you accept the theft of the voice of the American people? How can you

accept that? People died so that we could have a free country and we can't allow this to happen. Yeah, I know. And I, you know, there's still people out there thinking like, well, Trump is still on the scene. Once Trump's off the scene, whatever happens in 2024, we'll get him in 28. And then in 2020, we'll get them in 2032. We're not going to get them, folks. This is it. You've got to put it all on the line. Well, there are people who don't believe that. I was just talking to one of them this morning who was interviewing me about my new book, and he simply doesn't believe this is it. And that's the point is like, one of us is right and one of us is wrong. And I wish I were wrong. Oh, I wish I were wrong. But I don't believe that that's

right. There's a kind of a cynicism where people kind of, again, it's the same thing happened in Germany. They were convinced in 1934. You know what? Don't kill yourself. Just let go. Flash in a pan. Do church. don't argue and we'll guess what folks that's what led to the death camps and they're unfortunately have friends that say look I'm here to preach the gospel that's what I do and I'll tell you something the far far left they want you to sit there and just preach the gospel preach your little gospel that's okay just don't interfere with what we're doing here folks that's that's what you have to understand they are all they're on top of this and if you think they didn't steal the 2020

the election every single day they've been in office. They've done stuff that you say like, well, I can't believe they've done that. I can't believe they've done that. But I know that one thing they didn't do was steal the election so that they can do this. Come on, folks, this is what fascists do. I guess that's the point is that we've been so spoiled in America. But this was the same in Germany.

They had had things pretty good so they could not imagine the evilness of evil. They couldn't imagine. And so they didn't do anything. And by not doing anything, I mean, I actually talk about Martin Niemuller. Yes. I think I write about it in religionless Christianity. There's a chapter where he was convinced that Hitler could be reasoned with. And he goes in, finally gets a meeting with Hitler.

And Hitler, he sees the true face of Adolf Hitler. And Hitler basically says to him, you just worry about your sermons. I'll worry about the Third Reich. And that's what you just said. You preach your useless little sermons because we're in charge of all of reality. So you go into that building and do what you like. But we will determine the details of how the nation is governed. And this was where suddenly you have Martin Nemo thinking, oh, now I get it.

He doesn't want the church to actually be the church. He wants the church to play church so he can be God and rule the nation. He had this Luke 15-17 moment when he came to his senses. That's when he came to, when Paul fell off his horse, he came to his senses. And Jesus said, when he looked over all of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, if you only knew where your salvation was coming from, when will you come to your senses? And that's what we're saying to Christians out there. When will you come to your senses? Well, if you come to your senses or to help you come to your senses, you might want to get a copy of Obvious by Albin Seder. Thank you.

And, well, I mean, honestly, you spell stuff. But you spell stuff out in that book. that it's so bite-sized, it's very simple, and it's wonderful. And there's jokes and there's cartoons and memes and all. No, it's fun. They're short chapters. It's actually fun. And Eric wrote the forward.

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Well, you're very kind. People who listen to this program know that I'm not blowing smoke, that this is the whole world hinges on whether we have secure elections in the United States of America. And we didn't in 2020. It is despicable what evil actors have done. They're the enemies of freedom, and we can't let them get away with it. So your book is titled Sacred. trust. What is the subtitle of the book, Sacred Trust? It's called Sacred Trust, election, integrity, and the will of the people. That's what it's all about. We are a country that's based upon the consent of the governed. And there is nothing more sacred, politically speaking, at least, than the ballot box that we have. This is where we the people, a self-determining

people to self-determine our representatives and thereby the policies under which we will live as a society, as a culture, as a nation. It all rests and hinges upon the integrity of the ballot box. And, you know, Eric, at the end of the day, look, I share your concern so deeply. That's what drove me to write this. But at the end of the day, elections are not even about who wins. When all is said and done, elections are about one thing. And that is whether or not the voice of the people was accurately heard and accurately counted. And without that assurance, we are in deep, deep trouble as a country. And that's why this issue rakes among the top across American citizens, they're concerned of the threats that are coming as it relates to election integrity.

Well, part of what we have to talk about, and again, anybody who doesn't care about this is an enemy of America, because America, as you said, there is no America unless we have election integrity. It's simply impossible to have the will of the people be expressed unless we know that our ballots are counted the way they're supposed to be, the way they should be counted and so on and so forth. So I want to ask this, just because I know that your story, that when the 2020 election happened, anybody paying attention knew something funny was going on. We didn't know the details, but anybody who actually cared said, wait a minute, wait a minute, this looks confusing. This doesn't give me confidence. You were one of a tiny handful of people

who called for us to take action to look into this. Tell us that story because so many people look the other way, were not willing to suffer the slings and arrows of sticking their neck out on this issue. What was it that you saw that made you say, we need to look into this? And what happened? Yeah, there are so many issues, but all of this started for me. I became a senior member on the House Oversight Committee. And when COVID first broke out, in fact, Eric, we had our first case in the United States of COVID in Washington State. The very next week after that first documented case, Democrats held a hearing in the Oversight Committee where they started from there an entire series of hearings dealing with the need to have a federal takeover of our election processes.

And COVID became the excuse for radical changes in our election processes across the country. They started saying, we're going to have an epidemic. We need to send ballots to. everyone out there. They may be in lockdowns. They may be sick. They may not be able to go to the ballot box. We need to send ballots to them. We need to on and on and on. They started coming up with multiple reasons to take over the election process. And then on top of it, they started using Georgia as Exhibit A to proclaim that there were voter suppression problems all across the country. Well, I'm from Georgia. And I know Georgia well, and I know those claims, those allegations were false. And so I started pushing back. And the more we pushed back and there were more hearings

one after another week after week, it seemed, and COVID became the reason to change everything in our country. And from there, there was the springboard to get to your question where apart from state legislatures largely, be it governors or secretary of states or whatever, started unilaterally changing election laws across the country. And sure, enough, we open wide the door to all sorts of problems that, and we'll never know the details. We can't get to the details, but when you start opening wide the door that they did, from ballot harvesting to no signature verifications to lack of voter photo IDs and on and on and on drop off boxes, it opened wide the door that created mass confusion and lack loss of

confidence in the American voters that our election process is fair. And so that's what got me involved in this whole thing. And of course, I ended up challenging the electoral votes from the state of Georgia. And so I kind of became a leading voice on this issue, at least from the state of Georgia. Well, then you're a hero. I think I knew that, but it's great to hear some of these details. I have to say that everything you have just said confirms the nightmare. that many of us, you know, have, we've had confirmed more and more and more, but you're just confirming it again, that this was planned, that there were evil actors, enemies of we, the people, who were delighted to use the excuse of COVID to end democracy in America,

and then to accuse the other side of wanting to end democracy, which is utterly diabolical. Oh, yeah, I mean, we get, look, we've got, and I'm sure you have it, you've seen it, we've got tons of Democrats over the decades that have challenged every election where a Republican wins, but you dare let a Republican raise a concern when there were legitimate concerns, and all of a sudden we are tagged election deniers, threats to democracy, on and on and on, where the real threat, Eric, as it relates to this particular issue, the real threat should be attached to anyone who is undermining the free and fair elections that we have had in this country and anyone that is undermining the transparency for us to continue having elections that are

accurate representations of the voice and the will of the people at the ballot box, that is a threat to the future of our Democratic Republicans. public. It is not those who have legitimate questions as to what went on and we want answers and we want secure elections going forward. It's those who are trying to undermine the system that are the actual threats. There's at least two things I want to ask you. I want to remind people the book is called Sacred Trust, Election Integrity and the Will of the People by former Congressman Jody Heiss. I just want to ask you, I don't know. whether you're able to comment on it. But you're from Georgia. It strikes me that Governor Kemp and

Raffensberger were somehow complicit, somehow looked the other way. They were not interested in getting to the bottom of this. Can you comment on that? You know, I can comment. I don't know that I have any answers. It is as big of the mystery to me as it is to you. In fact, that is why I'm no longer in Congress. I ran for Secretary of State to challenge Rafferinsberger. And that is I write about it in the book. That's a whole other issue, how that all unfolded. But it was, I felt like our election system was significantly compromised. And I felt like the people of Georgia deserve better.

And so we went after it and ended up not winning that race. Again, that's a whole other issue. but look, we have to do everything within our power to secure elections. And when we have some of our leaders that at least seemingly, if not actually, and again, I don't know that we'll ever be allowed the opportunity to see the details, to see the truth of what is gone on. That is another frustrating part of this whole thing. But when we have leaders that at least-

Does that say everything, though? Well, I'm sorry to interrupt, but doesn't that tell us everything we want to know is that they don't want us to find out what happened. So you know that they're guilty. You know that they have to be guilty. People who are not guilty would not behave that way. Yeah, an honest person is not afraid to let you see the details and let you at least to be transparent. And when you're dealing with something as significant as elections, transparency is essential to confidence among voters that their votes. are actually being counted properly. Transparency is critical. And when that transparency is not

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but it's associated with him. Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act. God will not hold us guiltless. There are many people in America today who are being silent in the face of evil. When you bring up election integrity, they say, I don't want to get involved in that's controversial.

That may cost me something if I dare to say it looks like the election was stolen or it looks confusing. And I say that we offer at my store.com, when people use the code, Eric, they can get a poster of Dietrich Bonhoeffer who, as I say, he made that, that quote was made famous being associated with him. But that to me is the issue that there are people that they don't care. They keep their mouths shut. And when you talked about Secretary of State Raffensberger in Georgia, and Governor Kemp in Georgia, that they basically said, we don't want to look into this.

We're going to look the other way. I don't know how it's possible for me to see somebody who's silent in the face of evil as anything but compliant with evil. I just don't know. And this is why that I'm always staggered when people say, well, there's no proof or there's no, don't you find it, you know, dispositive, to use the legal term, when people say, we don't want to look into that or we don't care, we need to move on, I don't know what you're supposed to do except think they are hiding something. I mean, this is basic common sense.

Yeah, I don't know what else you do either. I mean, it certainly does not bring any degree of confidence. in the voters when leaders will not be transparent. And that is, I don't know what other conclusion, any reasonable person could conclude either, Eric, and that's part of the problem. There absolutely must be transparency when we're dealing with election results

and how election takes place. Look, just the machines, for example, and all the machines are not the same throughout the country, and I'm not a technological expert by any strength, but in Georgia, the machines print out how you voted. Well, we wanted, okay, that's fair enough. Why don't we at least compare the printout version with what the machine counted? At the end of the election, let's compare the printouts with the digital count.

They ought to be identical. There should be no variation whatsoever. And at least at this point, we've not even been able to have any degree of success, and at least in our action, this was a result of my race for Secretary of State. We couldn't even get one precinct, not one precinct out of the entire state, that we could at least compare. What did the printout copy say with the digital copy? And that does not provide confidence. It raises all sorts of questions. So these are simple things that ought to be solutions to restore voter confidence. So to me, that's not a heavy,

a heavy lift, the printout version ought to be accountable, ought to be identical with the digital. I mean, this is an opportunity for civics lesson. So let me say to my audience, folks, if we do not have confidence in our institutions, this is very key. So get this. If you do not have confidence in your institutions, if you don't believe your government is not corrupt, what we're talking about is corruption, it's despicable, it's the enemy of

liberty. If you have corruption, people lose confidence in the institutions and they pull back. They say, what does it matter if I vote? If you don't believe your tax dollars are being used fairly, you think, well, what does it matter if I file my taxes? What does it matter if I read the newspaper because I don't trust journalists? It is the erosion of everything we have in this country. And I would say to you, Congressman Heiss, it seems to me that the left, they are in an all-out war, and they don't care if they have to burn down the institutions. The institution of journalism, NPR has been in a scandal. We have known for decades that they're pushing leftist ideas. They're being funded by taxpayers, so they should be defunded. The FBI and the CIA should be

defunded, should be investigated, because we used to have confidence in these organizations. We used to believe that they're trying to get it right. And that has been. undermined, and I believe the left doesn't care. They don't care if journalism goes away. They don't care if we have any confidence in our justice system. They're willing to weaponize the justice system to use it to go after their political enemies like Donald Trump. They really don't care about the way we've governed ourselves, and they're willing to burn down anything and everything. The justice department are confidence that we live in a country that operates under the rule of law,

a journalistic integrity, voter integrity, the idea that our votes are counted. In every case, it seems to me that the left betrays itself by saying we are willing to destroy all of these things if we can win. That's basically where we are. And so I just, I want to applaud you again

for writing this book, Sacred Trust, Election, Integrity, the Will of People, because if your average person doesn't have confidence in the idea that their vote is going to be counted, then many people are going to get cynical and they're going to say, well, I'm not going to vote. And so the left can win in that way as well. Yeah, and that's the danger. And I believe I've heard this over and over and over and over. Exactly what you just said. People have lost confidence that their vote is going to be accurately counted and they indeed have said, what's the point? Why vote? And that's why, look, if there's a

silver lining in all of this, Eric, I believe it. You know, the issue has risen to a level of enormous concern. And this is on a national basis. Actually, forgive me. We're going to a hard break here. When we come back, we're talking to former Congressman Jody Heist. The book is sacred, trust, election integrity, and the will of the people. We'll be right back. You might have heard Mike Lindell and my pillow no longer have the support of their box stores or shopping channels the way they used to. Yes, it's because of cancel culture. But as a result, they get to pass the savings on to you directly by having a $25

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My vote is not going to count. But if there is a silver lining in all of this, Eric, it certainly is. that this issue of election integrity has risen to an enormous area of concern all across the country. It is one of the top issues when polled across the country and is there consistently. And the silver lining is that as a result, we have had dozens of states that have taken some pretty significant steps to try to improve and secure the elections in their states. unfortunately, not all the states have done so, and we've got a long ways to go. But the momentum is moving. The voice of the people, the demands of the people, I think, are beginning to be heard in various state legislatures.

And action is being taken. Now, this is something that we still have a long ways to go. It's something we're going to have to remain extremely vigilant on, no doubt. There's no way to pass liberty to the next generation without fair elections. so we can never let go of this issue. So it's something that is not just now and it's done. This is something we've got to have on our radar and keep on our radar decade after decade, generation after generation.

But that movement is happening. And fortunately, legislatures across the state are making movement to secure elections, and that's a good thing. We've just got to keep it up and broaden the scope of it. What is being concerned? done because people often ask me what's being done. Do you know of any examples in various states

where action is being taken? Because, again, you cannot have confidence in the whole system, unless you know that this is being taken seriously. When we think about Governor Kemp and Raffensberger, I just think they're the faces of corruption, to my mind, in the Republican Party. It's utterly despicable, their complicity with evil, their unwillingness to be transversely. transparent. And folks, if you're listening, you need to understand these are the enemies of liberty. These people, when they look the other way, silence in the face of evil is itself evil. It's a tremendous abrogation of their duties as elected officials to the Constitution, I mean, of their duties to uphold the Constitution, the laws of the land that they would look the other way. It is the very

essence of corruption. And so my question to you, former Congressman Jody Heiss, who has written this book, is what are some things you can point to that are being done? Talk a little bit about that because it excites me that people are taking this seriously in some places. Yeah, you know, I mean, you mentioned Secretary of State Raffinsberger here in our own state. I can tell you our state legislature here has serious clipped his wings from his. his involvement in overseeing the elections to the extent that the secretary has, Secretary of State has always had in this state. They have seen that he has done, in their opinion, obviously a very poor job. So they have taken a lot of authority away from him. But in addition

of that, you have things like the drop-off boxes. We all watch the, or probably many watch the 2000 Mules movie, where we saw on video camera, people dropping off tons of boxes. We all watch. We all watch, ballots, a large percentage of them between the hours of midnight and 5 a.m. in the morning, going from one drop-off box to another to another to another. It's on video. It's on, video. We're watching this right there. And it's just seemingly like, how in the world, number one, can this happen? Number two, how can these people not be caught? There they are on video. But for example, many of the drop-off boxes are no longer available in different states. in my state of Georgia, they're going to be locked up and only open during and placed inside

precincts, not left outside, and only open during the hours of the precinct that it's opened. You have voter registration files that are being tightened up. You have multiple states that are strengthening the signature verification. You have voter ID laws that are coming back. I mean, there's a host of things, chain of custody, the laws that are being improved. a lot of things all across the country that are being done. Now, that's not to say that there's not a lot more to be done. But the fact that the momentum is beginning to move to the importance, and it is true, not surprising. Most of these things are being done in red states where they want

election integrity. A lot of the blue states are doing little to nothing. But across the board, at least things are happening. And I think this is going to be, produce a momentum that's not going to go way that people will demand even in blue states for fair elections. It's a big deal. I remember Mike Lindell, he pointed me to a film put out by HBO. I think it was 2018 or 2017 when it came out. And this was mostly full of Democrats, talking heads, talking about how these machines can be hacked. This was when they were worried about losing. So they brought this up. I think it's called chain of custody or I can't remember. But it amazed me that they took this very seriously. But then when it broke in their favor in 2020, they were silent. Just as many corrupt Republicans were silent,

were unwilling to look into this. When you saw what happened in the 2020 election, what exactly did you do? I don't know if you said it earlier and I missed it, but what did you do? You called for people look into this and you said they simply refuse, they drag their feet, what happened? Yeah, I mean, it wasn't as me. There were hundreds and hundreds of people involved in our state in trying to raise red flags and move it forward. And, you know, it takes a collaborative effort with a lot of people blowing whistles that eventually gets the attention. And so, you know, I did what I could, both as a member of Congress and as a citizen of my state. But that's where it all begins. We've got to blow the whistle when we see things wrong. And Eric, that's one thing also that I failed to mention a while

ago that I believe this upcoming election is going to help us. We are undoubtedly going to have so many more people serving as poll watchers and a variety of different positions. You know, when there are more boots on the ground and more eyes on the ground, it is more difficult to commit shenanigans. And so, you know, that's another area that I think is a positive step and we're going to see more people. But yeah, listen, I was pushing back mostly in Congress. My role was primarily on the congressional level trying to do what I could. We had some great leaders in my state in the legislature as well as citizens in Georgia who rose to the occasions who were they were having hearings here in some of the judiciary committees and subcommittees. And people were massively involved, like I said, to the hundreds of people.

Forgive me. All of us. Good. I'm going to another hard break. I don't mean to cut you off. We've got another segment. Folks, hang on. We'll be right back.

Welcome back. I'm talking to former Georgia Congressman Jody Heiss, brand new book, Sacred Trust, Election Integrity and the Will of the People. What do you make of it that there's so many people that aren't interested in this? I mean, do you think that they really believe, I guess I know that there are many people who just believe that the election was fine. They somehow are convinced that Joe Biden could have won the election. It seems to me preposterous every time I look at the facts.

But there are people in this country that they've moved on. What do you say to those people? Well, a lot of people have moved on. It's interesting. And I bring this up in the book. About a third of the Democrats themselves question the number of votes that Joe Biden got. coming into this election. And that's a stunning number when you think a third of the Democrats are even saying this doesn't look, feel, or smell right. So, look, there's issues. But I guess to answer

your question, Eric, the bottom line is this, this is not a partisan issue. Election is an issue of American citizen. And as I mentioned a while ago, the issue is not who wins. The issue is whether or not we had an accurate representation of the will of the people. And was it protected? Was it truly the will of the people. That's the only way that we can be a self-determining people, a system of which the consent of the governed has the final voice. And so this is not a partisan issue. This is an American issue. This is a freedom issue, a liberty issue. It is indeed a sacred trust, both from the perspective of the voter, but also from the perspective of our government to ensure that this issue is protected at all cost.

And so it can't be swept under the rug. It can't have just a turning of the head, a rolling of the eyes as though this were an insignificant issue. It is a paramount issue to the future of our country. And so for those who currently are not paying attention, I say pay attention. Whether you believe anything happened in the past or not, we must protect it in the future as well.

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