The Eric Metaxas Show - Joel Rosenberg

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Joel Rosenberg Gives an Update From Jerusalem

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of Israel being wiped off the face of the map. I don't think that's an exaggeration. In other words, I think if you know the reality of what the enemies of Israel want to do, and on any level you would encourage them or emboldened them or even look the other way, you know what the result will be. And to me, wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the map

is ultimately a satanic project. This is not just politics or national issues or international issues. There's the idea of wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the map is so dark that it goes into the category of evil. And so then the question is, what is it on the American left that they would be in bed with Muslim terrorists? And again, we're not just talking. We're not talking about nations fighting against nations. We're talking about people that are doing what the Nazis did, murdering women and children. this is utter terrorism. It has nothing to do with war in the traditional sense. What do you suppose

is behind that? Because it really is astonishing. And to me, this is the headline is that what Hamas did is, you know, terrorism almost is a nice word. It is evil. It is what SS troops did in Poland. It is the kind of thing that civilized nations never, ever do. It is as evil as it gets. what is behind it? Well, I look to these people to find out what is behind it. I look to their words. I let them speak for themselves, right? I mean, I can see that it's evil.

I'm not sure. I guess in your analysis, satanic and evil go hand in hand. I mean, when you're strictly looking at the satanic church and so on, then it becomes a whole different argument. But if you are, if you're just looking at it from their perspective, they will tell you that the state of Israel dropping. you know, bombs on buildings where there are Palestinian families is evil, for example, right? And so, and they would argue that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

I mean, that's their argument. And they would also argue that using terrorist tactics or insurgent tactics is the only option they have because there are David and Israel's a Goliath. So, I mean, in terms of their perspective, this is how they justify going out, onto the streets across the U.S. and around the world, that's not my position. But I don't have to speak for them. In a sense, they speak for themselves. And their argument is that they have, that this is their land and they have no other options

and that nobody pays attention to them. If they don't use these tactics, then nobody cares. That they bury Palestinian children and they bury their own day after day after day and nobody cares. Of course, that is disingenuous in many ways because Hamas is ruling over Gaza, and they have chosen to use the money that they get to build tunnels and buy missiles rather than to pour it into schools and roads and improving the lives of Palestinians. But then they would also argue, well, what's the point of improving your life if you live in a prison?

That essentially because they're bordered on one side, you know, by Israeli territory and on the other side by the ocean that is effectively controlled by Israel, that they live in a great open-air prison. So, I mean, everybody always has their own perspective. What is very obvious is when you hold a rally pro-Palestine rally right now in this very moment when Israelis haven't even begun to bury their dead or count the cost, and you have, what, 600, 700 Israelis killed in the first day alone, you're picking up the bodies of 256 children who have been slaughtered, you know, and when you see those young girls who've been taken hostage, and this is your moment, this is when the people in America, I hate to say the left, I hate to say Democrats,

because I don't really believe in those distinctions. I feel like those are forms of just, of control. That's how they control the left. That's how they control the right. But at the end of the day, if you are blindly voting for the Democratic Party, especially if you are Jewish, if you are Jewish today and you do not recognize that this administration is not on the side of Israel and that their actions have brought us to the point. And you don't look at this in isolation. You look at what is happening with Taiwan. You look at the fact that, I mean, Ukraine is not a country, let alone a NATO country, and yet we have been dragged into a broader war in that area. And if you look at the southern border being wide open and you put all of those things together,

what you see is a country that is drastically, I mean, it is drastically underprepared to deal. Imagine if now that coordination that you see between Hamas, That coordination now extends to Hezbollah and to the Houthi terrorists in Yemen. And everywhere that Iran has a terrorist proxy on earth. And you now have people even within Libya that are in possession of missiles that can target Israel. If you start to add that, then you look at the fact that you have, I mean, how many thousands upon thousands of Chinese military-aged males who have crossed the southern border, if you think for one second that those individuals were not sent by the CCP, then you are very, very, very stupid and you are very, and you are deceived.

Because they have been, I mean, they're not the only people, 246 terrorists, according to the official figures, 246 terrorists arrested at the southern border. And I'm not saying that, you know, that means that we, the United States is suddenly tomorrow going to wake up and 400 sleeper cells are going to be burning this country to the ground. I'm not saying that because that is, unknowable for us. Based on what we know, we just cannot, I mean, I cannot make any kind of

prediction on what is coming. But all I can say is that when you have a military that is focused on diversity and equity and inclusion and has not been focused on the defense of this country, when you have people in an administration who do not believe in borders, they do not believe in sovereignty, they do not believe in superpowers, and they tell you this, every day they tell you this. So it's not my words. You can go to theirs. You can go to the Open Society Foundation and see what open borders really means and look behind the fancy language, right, about, you know, sustainability and all the rest of it. Because that's, when they talk about sustainability, they're not talking about sustaining the United States that you know, right, sustaining the country

that you love, the borders that you believe in. They're talking about a whole other kind of sustainability, something that sustains their vision of the world. And when you, you put all those pieces together, you see that you have a United States that is, you have people in power in this country, even in the military, who do not believe that defending the United States is their number one priority. I mean, that's no doubt about it. I mean, everything you're saying we've talked about on the program at other times, and I'd love to have you back just to talk about this kind of thing, because it is utterly astonishing, astonishing that we do not have a military protecting us from Chinese communists sending military age men across our borders.

It's completely mind-blowing that that's where we are. And so you have to ask yourself, who is in power? What kind of human beings do we have in power in our government that they would allow this? I mean, if we had elected our enemies to govern America, they would have these kinds of policies. It's simply unimaginable. Laura, we're just about out of time. How can people find you and your reporting? Well, I have a new show called The Rest of the Story with Laura Logan.

Our first season is about January 6th prisoners, because the other part of this is that you have Americans in prison today, political prisoners, many of them without trial, for months, if not years on end. that's the other side of how you end up with people in power like you have right now, is that they're silencing the opposition. We're out of time today. Obviously, we're talking about Israel.

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Yeah, Eric, this is Israel's 9-11. This is Israel's Pearl Harbor. And we'll get into the details in a moment, but just as a personal way to look at it, literally driving to the TBN studios here to do my interview with you and a number of other Israeli officials tonight. The sirens, the emergency sirens went off, the air raid sirens, right? So what you're supposed to do, you're supposed to keep your windows down and your seat belt off in case you hear those sirens. You pull over, you turn off your ignition, and you get as far away from your car as you can. And then you dive down on the ground and put your hands over your head and face.

moments later, we heard boom, boom, boom, boom. I think six or seven times as the Iron Dome interceptors took out the missiles that were heading from the Gaza Strip, from the Hamas terrorists, into the Holy City of Jerusalem. But I was talking then. I interviewed just before you, the deputy mayor of Jerusalem. She said that one of the missiles got missed by the Iron Dome and slammed into a mosque. in an Arab village just outside of Jerusalem. Like, imagine Muslim radical Islamist terrorists shooting at Israel, shooting at the Jews and the Christians, and hitting Muslims. It's so tragic.

It's so ugly. And that's just one moment in three horrific days. Well, this is a nightmare. What is happening over there. I'm glad we can reach you to get your perspective on it. I had Laura Logan on before you. And what I keep saying is that the tactics used by the enemies of Israel are evil. In other words, this is not normal warfare.

It is evil. It is like the SS going into Poland and just murdering people in cold blood, murdering civilians in cold blood. This is what they're doing. They don't believe in playing by any kind of rules. It's brutal. Obviously, they've taken many hostages. Where does this go from here? because I was not aware that Hamas was continuing to launch missiles into Israel even now.

Oh, yeah. We're approaching close to 4,000 missiles over the last 72 hours. That's about as many rockets and missiles were fired at Israel over a 30-day period during our last war, okay? And this is just three days in. That's bad enough, but you add to it, what's creating the death toll here that is all, the charts, more Israelis have died. More Jews have died in the last 72 hours than at any period since the Holocaust. Okay, we've never had in Israel in a 72 hour period this many Jewish people die. Why? Because what's happening is not only are they firing so many rockets, so many more than ever,

but they really caught Israel completely off guard by blowing up the security fence, several sections of the security fence that it was built between Israel and Gaza and then stormed across hundreds and hundreds of Hamas fighters and started slaughtering men, women and children, killing children in front of their mothers and fathers, killing the mothers in front of the children. Just ghastly. You said Nazis, that's true. I would also say more recently, for people in your audience that may be a little younger, ISIS. Remember when ISIS was just cutting people's heads off and setting people on fire in cages? And this is all this. ghastly demonic behavior has been happening in the last 72 hours. So here we are. One point

is critical, Eric. There are more than 800 Israeli civilians have already been killed in the last 72 hours. Israel is a small country, only 10 million people. United States is a continent, 330 million people. You guys are 33 times larger in terms of population than us. So if you, if you think about the emotional impact, I mean, 800 people killing 800 people is, horrible. But imagine you woke up and you were having to report that 26,000 Americans had been murdered in a 72-hour period. That's the magnitude emotionally of what we're going through right now, and we're heading towards full-scale invasion of Gaza. What do you believe, I mean, we know that this has been planned for a long time.

This was not just, you know, some insurgent. raid. This was planned for long times, the 50th anniversary of the 1973 war. We know it took tremendous coordination to do this. I assume Iran is behind that, which is like saying the Biden administration and President Obama are behind it because they've enabled this. What do you suppose is the endgame? I mean, does Hamas believe, does Iran believe that they are now actually able to wipe Israel off the face of the map? What do you suppose is going to happen in the next days and weeks ahead? Well, it's a great question.

You have several great points you make there, Eric. Let's just take him one by one. First, the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, is saying publicly that there's no evidence that Iran is behind, the Iranian regime is behind this attack. Okay. But the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Hamas officials themselves told the Wall Street Journal and are telling others that Iran was behind this. So, you know,

who do you believe? There's no question that Iran is behind this. Now, what is the end game? I, there's two questions we have to ask. The first question is, if a second front opens from the north, right, the Iranian-backed Chazboa terror movement with 150,000 missiles much more powerful than anything coming from Gaza. If that opens up, it's, I wouldn't call it Armageddon because I'm an evangelical, and that's a very specific term, but it's apocalyptic, okay? So, but if we hold them off and Hezbollah doesn't open up a second front, then what's the goal? Then the goal would apparently be to lure Israel into a ground war in Gaza. Hamas can't possibly beat a military as big and as strong and as professional as Israel, okay?

Why would they want to lure us in? because they want the images of dead Palestinians. They want Al Jazeera and MSNBC and CNN and everybody else, New York Times, front page, of not just Palestinian fighters, Hamas terrorists. They want the collateral damage photos of children and women that might, you know, because the terrorists are hiding behind them. Why do they want that? They want to slaughter, why, so that it will make Israel radioactive,

toxic, and that Saudi Arabia will back away from the big peace treaty that they're, that they're negotiating right now, and that other Arab Muslim countries will back away as well. That's the idea of blowing up this peace process that has been so successful, so successful that apparently has lured Israeli officials into thinking, we're doing okay. We don't have to guard that border so much. That was terribly mistaken, the most colossal failure in the history of intelligence failure in terms of Israel's modern history. So, but I can't tell you the exact which one of those is right until we know more.

But at the minimum, it's the second one. Well, it is extraordinary. And I think, you know, I want to be clear in speaking to my audience, folks, the Biden administration is behind this. Now, when I say the behind this, I mean, if you don't care about something or if you indicate you don't care about something or you indicate that, you're not sure what you think about something. You invite people to take actions. And so right now, we're dealing with an administration in the White House that is not like the Donald Trump administration. These are not staunch defenders of Israel as a nation. These are people that just gave six billion dollars to Iran. They seem to be living in another world. They seem to be living in a world where they

kind of think like, well, it's okay for the enemies of Israel to want to attack Israel. They have a point of view. So we're living in a different world than we would if President Trump were in the White House right now. And so that to me is what's a little bit confusing here, is where does America stand? I mean, it's one thing to say we stand with Israel, but I don't see the Biden administration standing with Israel in the way that the Trump administration would. Well, that's certainly true. I would say it a little bit differently than you did, but I certainly hear your perspective. Look, look, we have to say that President Joe Biden is the most pro-Israel person in the Democratic Party. That's why it's a problem.

Which is saying absolutely nothing. I don't think he's maliciously trying to harm Israel. It's just he literally does not understand that with every action, there's a reaction. If you give $6 billion dollars in terrorists. That's what I'm saying. Iran, you know, if you're going to get more terrorism, and that's what we've seen. Well, right. No, there's no doubt about it. But if you're, if you're that ignorant, you obviously shouldn't be in the White House. He is, you know, when you say he's the most pro-Israel person

in the Democratic Party, that's the problem. That's the problem. And they are tremendously naive with regard to the intentions of the enemies of Israel. Obama was, I think, more willful in his naivete. But it's, it's, it's, uh, it's horrifying that this is happening now. We've got you for the rest of the hour. Folks, I'm talking to Joel Rosenberg about what's going on in Israel, uh, right now. Uh, I want to exhort you before we go to the break. Please go to metaxis talk.com. We need your help with the alliance defending freedom. They really need your help. And we're asking you go to metaxis talk.com. Give anything you can. You can give $19 a month to be a champion of freedom. We need a number of people to do that. Please be one of those people. Metaxistococococ.com.

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I'm talking to Joel Rosenberg, our friend, Joel Rosenberg, who is right now at the TBN studios in Jerusalem. We can see the dome of the rock right behind you, Joel. You were talking about the air raid sirens on your way to the studio, having to pull over and hearing the missile. coming in sent by Hamas into Israel. It's amazing that this is ongoing.

You were saying before, I think you were saying that it seems that Israel is going to go into the territories and that this is part of the plan that Hamas and the enemies of Israel, they want to use this as propaganda to turn the world against Israel. Yeah, and that's one of the biggest problems here is this is a multi-tiered strategy designed not just to kill Israelis, but to try to get Israelis to inadvertently kill Palestinians, right? We're going to go kill and capture Palestinian terrorists, Hamas terrorists. There's no question about that. The problem is that the Palestinian terrorists, Hamas, are hiding behind, number one, the civilian population. of the Gaza Strip.

There's two million Pallasans who live there, and they're under Hamas' reign of terror. Let's be clear. Israel does not occupy the Gaza Strip. Israel's prime minister in 2005 pulled all Israeli citizens and all Israeli soldiers out of Gaza. We haven't been there in almost 20 years. So this is not occupied territory, right? But it is occupied in one sense by Hamas as terrorists.

So the terrorists are hiding. behind the human shields of their own population. That's number one. Now they have captured at least 100 Israeli hostages, men, women, and children. I saw a video today put out by Hamas on social media of small infants, Israeli Jewish infants, in cages, in dog cages is where they're keeping them. And we, you know, God only knows, you know, are they planning to trade them, sell them, or just murder them and put that all on social media. But that's what we're going to. So the terrorists want to lure Israel into a war. And now I don't see how we avoid it.

The question is how do we prosecute it effectively, smartly, when we know, no matter what we do, the Biden administration is going to criticize us, maybe not on day one, but certainly by day 10, by day 14, they'll be saying, hey, I mean, already Secretary of State Blinken is trying to negotiate with the leader of Turkey to bring a ceasefire. A ceasefire. Can I just say that if you got a school anywhere in America and there's a mass shooter, a mass casualty shooter in the building, you do not tell the SWAT team to do a cease fire. You don't tell the SWAT team to de-escalate. No, you blow the guy's head off and rescue the children. But already, the Secretary of State of the pro-Israel Biden administration is telling us we need a cease fire. No, we don't. We need our hostages back. We need Hamas eradicate it. But how do you do it? And I don't think there's any other way. I think the world is going to hate us in about a month and maybe sooner. And that what we're reporting on all Israel news and, of course, on my TVN show, the Rosenberg report, we're trying to cover it from every angle.

But I'm telling you, we are not just going into a military battle. We are going into a public relations and media battle good versus evil, kind and friendly and democratic versus evil and wicked and barbaric. And that's the story, but I guarantee you that's not the story of the New York Times or CNN will be reporting in the days ahead. And that's why you and I and others have got to help people understand the truth because it's going to get messy very, very fast. Well, again, this is good versus evil, folks. You have to be clear, Israel does not murder innocence. Israel does not go in and murder children and women. They don't do that.

But that's what Hamas does. That's what the enemies of Israel do. They are evil. And what they're doing is the kind of thing that you have to condemn. You have to stand against it. You have to defend yourself against it. You know, when you even characterize the Biden administration as being pro-Israel, to me, that's a joke, basically.

You know, it's like somebody saying something that is meaningless. It mocks the meaning of what it be to be pro-Israel. Because, you know, for Blinkman. Let me just say one thing, you know, Eric. as to say what he said is just astonishing to me. Yeah, but it's important to make the distinction. When I say that Biden is the most pro-Israel in the Democratic Party, the good news in that sentence is that there are forces like Bernie Sanders,

who was the second most popular person in the party over the last two presidential cycles, right? Millions and millions, 10 to millions of followers. He hates Israel. AOC hates Israel. Rashida Taleb hates Israel. The whole squad hates Israel. if that faction becomes the dominant faction or the party as a whole, that is curtains for bipartisan approach to Israel.

So I have supported and encouraged and spoken out, look, we need Biden to be as pro-Israel as he is. The problem is we always have to remember that when he blows up Afghanistan on the 20th anniversary of 9-11, and he blows up Israel on the 50th anniversary of Yom Kippur, like those things matter it's it's not intentional but it's still horrible right and so they're you know i don't think the biden administration isn't going to provide funding and arms and support but they're doing it in reverse they're doing it backwards like if you give six billion dollars to your worst enemy you should expect them to do more of what they've been doing which is robbing

killing and destroying like uh i think that's what i'm saying in other words if he's the most uh pro-israel you know, guy in the Democratic Party, what does that tell you, folks? It's absolute madness. We've got to remind you, you got to go to metaxistocotocon.com. This is an assignment. We need you to click on the ADF banner. We need you to help them today. Metaxistalks talk.com.

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Yeah. No, you're right. Right now we're in midst of the largest mobilization of the Israeli Army reserves, certainly in a generation, maybe since the Yom Kippur War 50 years ago. Already more than 300,000 Israelis have been called up. because we're a small country, as I said, only less than 10 million people. So we don't have an active standing army, like the United States, you know, is a million or a million and a half. I lose track of how many people are in the active, regular army every day, right? And then you have ROTC and National Guard and so forth.

We have just the opposite. We have a small standing army, but we mobilize people quickly. And in 72 hours, 300,000 soldiers have been called up. The media advisor to the prime minister got called up today. I interviewed him for All-Israel news. You can find that at All-Israel.com. The former Israeli ambassador to London just got called up to work. Obviously, he'll be working in diplomacy, but I just interviewed him for the Rosenberg report.

So what we're watching is people at every strata, most of my friends that are under the age of 40 guys are now moving to the front. So the question is when, how, but a lot of pieces have to be put into place. And what I know also, and I can tell you and report to you is that they're really working. Why did the ambassador get recalled even though he's not a current ambassador? Because they're preparing for a massive onslaught diplomatically and in terms of media. So they have to be ready not just for the actual ground and air war, right? They have to be ready for the digital war and the diplomacy war. and we were covering that on all Israel news,

but that's why I'm grateful that you're giving this much time because in these first 72 hours, the way I see it mostly American media has been actually quite shocked and has, in fact, covered somewhat sympathetically this attack. But I guarantee you, once we counter-assault, Israeli Jews will look like the antichrist in American and international media.

It's an amazing thing, because I don't know, you know, what you're supposed to do when barbarians come in and murder women and children. What are you supposed to do? What would anyone do? You fight back. That's what you're supposed to do. That's the rational response.

That's anti-Semitism, the double standard that Jews, that Israelis, we don't get to play. Like Americans, when we got attacked on 9-11, or the British got attacked, anybody else on the planet. That anti-Semitism is not just hating Jews, it's treating Jews completely different by different standards. And that's why Christians in particular, we have a standard, and that's the Bible. And we know, yes, God loves our neighbors, but he loves Israel. He loves the Jewish people and he has a plan. And that's why Christians need to align ourselves and say, all right, we need to stand with Israel. We have to have compassion for the Palestinians or trapped under Hamas, right but this is not a jump ball it's not a 50 50 49 51 decision god loves the nation of

israel and he calls israel the apple of his eye the most sensitive part the pupil the people the way he looks at the rest of the world he looks at it through the lens of israel and the church needs to get this right and unfortunately too much of the church is currently getting it wrong this is at least a wake-up call let's see uh if people do better this time Well, I mean, to me, let's call it what it is. Hatred of Israel. Anti-Semitism is a hatred of the God of Israel. There's no other reason to hate the Jews other than the fact that you have a supernatural animus, an evil animus against the God of the Jews.

Otherwise, I'm not quite clear what anti-Semitism is. Why do black nationalist groups and white nationalist groups, and people around the world, what is Jew hatred? It's hatred of the God of the Jews, whether they want to admit it or don't, that's what it is. It's a supernatural hatred. It is evil. And the idea that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map,

the idea that people are giving voice to this and that we have people in our own country saying, oh, well, they have a point. And, you know, that's to me what's so fascinating here. You know, you talk about double standard is a very nice way of putting it. it. Well, yeah, and I would use the verse John 1010, right? Jesus said, I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. But the thief, and he's talking about Satan, comes to rob, kill, and

destroy. In that one verse, we see the dichotomy. It's not that Satan is equal with Jesus. He's not, but they're 180% opposite, right? So if God in the scriptures, as he does, says, I love the Jewish people and I'm going to bless them, Satan says, fine, I'm going to curse them. God says, says, I'm going to choose the Jewish people and give them a land. Satan says, fine, I'm going to take it away. God says, I'm going to make Jerusalem, the city I'm standing in the city where I live, the city of peace, Satan says, fine, I'll make it a city of bloodshed. God says, I'm going to take that mount behind you, behind me, the temple mount, and make it

holy to my name. Satan says, I'm going to desecrate it. That's the dynamic. Satan hates Israel and Jews because God loves us. You're absolutely right. It's, why doesn't he hate the Kurds this much? Why doesn't Satan hate the Japanese this much or the Brazilians? Like, he hates everybody, but he has a special, deep, raging animus against us and this city and this place precisely because God loves us and has made that super clear to the world through the Bible.

And as an evangelical from a Jewish background and a dual U.S. Israeli citizen, part of my responsibility is to educate the church around the world. and mobilize them to learn, to pray, to give, and to go. Now, I wouldn't go right now. Don't come to Israel right now. The airport's open, but all the flights are shut down, and everybody's, all foreigners are leaving right now. So this is not the time to come here.

But learning and praying and giving to ministries that are making a difference is critical, not to take away from what needs to be being done right now with the Alliance for Defending Freedom and what Eric is doing. But I just want to, I want you to pray, I want your audience to pray, but I also want you to think how can I specifically help? And you can certainly learn more by following us at allisrael.com. Yes, allisrael.com is the website. Joel Rosenberg, we're going to have to leave it there.

God bless you, my friend. We're just glad to hear from you. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. Thank you for giving you this much attention on this important issue. Amen. Folks, welcome back. I have as my guest, Vincent Wagner, Senior Counsel at the Alliance Defending Freedom.

You know that we are asking you, every one of you, to get involved this month in fighting for liberty. People always ask me, Eric, what can I do? What can we do? You can do this. This is a small thing, but please step up. Go to metaxis talk.com. Folks, please, this is just like you can do this right now.

Vincent Wagner, you've been with ADF for a while, and you're aware that this is ultimately like a national thing. This is not, you're fighting these battles all over, but the nation is at stake. That's right, Eric. We've talked already about cases in Indiana, Wisconsin, but you brought up California, which is trying to pass very dangerous anti-parent laws. We know of cases that we're involved in in Florida, in Massachusetts. We've heard stories of parents from states everywhere in between, even states that I imagine your listeners living in Texas think they're safe from these threats. But we hear stories from families in Texas even. It's just it's just, it's just. a national movement against parents and against religious freedom that we're working as hard as we can to defend Americans against. Well, again, you know, I say to people that it's a lot of times people wonder, what can I do?

They say, gee, what can I do? And sometimes, you know, there are many things we can do. But in this case, it's like it's teed up for you, folks. What you can do is you can help those who are already at the forefront in this war against liberties that we have, patriots have died. Patriots have given their blood and their lives for the very things that are under attack right now. And so the least we can do is to help the Alliance offending freedom do this. They do, they're not getting rich off of this. Okay.

They're doing this because they believe it's right. They believe in it. And they are doing this pro bono. So when somebody comes to them and says, I am being fired, I'm being attacked, I'm being, what do I do? They don't say, well, can you pay? They say, we will take this on because we actually believe in this. And the only reason they can do that is because you give to the alliance defending freedom. So I know there are folks out there who can give a lot of money.

I know there are people who can barely give anything. But I'm asking you folks, whatever you can give, do your part. It's between you. and the Lord. This is this is not a contest. This is about an opportunity to stand up and to fight for for what is right and true and good. And it is going away if we don't fight. And I think a lot of us have been inured to these evils over time. We kind of think, well, there's nothing I can do. That's the voice of the devil. There is plenty that you can do. But you must do it. So if you go to our website, it's metaxis talk.com. You'll see the banner there. When you click on the banner,

it gives you all kinds of options to do whatever you like. But we're talking about issues of religious liberty, issues of free speech, parental rights, life in the womb, marriage. Remember marriage between a man and a woman? All of this stuff, if you don't fight in the courts, you, you lose automatically, you lose by default because that's kind of where we are. And so we've just got to do this. So we have a short opportunity. So I'm exhorting you. You should be inspired, folks, that ADF exists and is doing this. And that's why they come to us to say, help us to do what we're already doing. So again, you go to MetaxusTalk.com. You'll see the banner. The phone number, you can call right now 855-385-0-5-96.

Again, it's 855-385-085-0-596, 8-55-35-38-5-9-6. Or again, metaxis talk.com, you'll see the banner. Vincent Wagner, God bless you and God bless your colleagues at ADF. We are just proud to work with you. Thank you so much. Thanks so much for having me on, Eric.