The Eric Metaxas Show - John Graves

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

John Graves joins the program to discuss the upcoming election, election integrity, and why Americans need to get out and vote. 

Welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show. It's a nutritious smoothie of creamy, fresh yogurt, vanilla protein powder, and a mushy banana. For your mind, drink it all down. It's nummy. I wub, vanilla. Here comes Eric Metaxus. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program.

Today we have two very interesting guests and one not interesting guest. Actually, that's not true. The not interesting guest is not going to be on. So we only have interesting guests. In our one today, we have John Graves. He's with Million Voices.org. We're going to talk about Christians being involved in politics with John Graves. In our two, we have Adam Angievsky, who he's with OpenThebooks.com.

Both just fascinating people. Like when you talk to people like John Graves and Adam Angiaski, it gives you hope for America. So both hours today, very, very exciting, genuinely exciting for me to know that these two men exist and are working hard as activist citizens. It's just a beautiful thing. A couple of things to mention tonight at some point, something like Joe Biden. I don't know if it's an automaton, if it's a hologram, but they say Joe Biden himself is going to be addressing us from the Oval Office. I guess he's going to, you know, finally...

It could be a marionette. You know, it could be a literal marionette. I was going to say Obama is above the Oval Office, you know, working the strings of the puppet. So it's going to be interesting to see how they sync up the jaw with the sound coming out. It's very hard. But I think it's going to be a Mr. Rogers kind of set. They'll make up, you know, Scrant and Joe will come in on a train, you know,

he'll pop out with the strings on top. It'll be like Mr. Rogers. Yeah, it's going to be just like Mr. Rogers and King Friday the 13th. I believe he's going to be making an appearance. Oh, fantastic. X the owl. It's going to be some fun times tonight in the quote-unquote White House. So anyway, it's always like you're going to watch it just to see what kind of a train wreck it's going to be.

Like what's going to happen? What's he going to say? Can he say it? Can he read the teleprompter? Not going to be, you know, not something I think we could take for granted at this point. They used to say like, oh, he's just reading the teleprompter. Well, now he can no longer do that. So it's really, I don't know what to say, but that's tonight.

A couple of things I want to mention. I don't want to forget. This weekend, I will be in Florida, West Palm Beach. I guess it's a T.P. USA Turning Point Believers Summit. I'm going to be speaking there. I believe President Trump is going to make an appearance. I don't know if I'll get to shake his hand, but I got to tell you, I'm looking forward to that. As you know, we're big fans of Turning Point on this program.

I also want to say that yesterday I recorded a whole hour talking about the theory of Paul, the Apostle Paul, being shipwrecked in Cephalonia, Kefalonia, the Greek island where my family are from. It's astonishing stuff. It is absolutely so. So we will play that. I think we'll play that toward the end of the week, if not tomorrow, then on Friday. but it is an amazing story. And what I did yesterday, I put it online. I translated the article written about this.

Now, the article was written in 1988. And part of the reason that I find this so exciting is like this information comes out, a book's published in 1987, this article is published in 1988, but nobody knows about it. And I see this over and over and over again. This information comes out. You look at it. You go, this is real.

This is true. This is exciting. writing, nobody knows about it. So when I wrote my book, if you can, sorry, when I wrote my book, is atheism dead, it's the same thing. I said, there's all this evidence, mind-blowing evidence for the existence of God. It's mind-blowing. It's science effectively proving the existence of God. There's no other explanation. It's compelling. It's amazing. It's true. It comes out every day. There's more evidence, but no one knows about it. So I wrote a book called Is Atheism Dead? I said, I got to get this in for out there. But you write a book and not everybody reads books. Not most people haven't heard of the book. What? Who? Who's Eric Metaxus? So it's fascinating to me the way information comes out or doesn't come out. And this is the classic case with Paul being shipwrecked in Cephalonia. Nobody knows about this. But if you read the article, which I posted on my website, you just, unless I'm missing something, it's pretty open and shut. I mean, the evidence just piles up and up and up and up. It's not like, well, there's one idea. There's two ideas. There's

It's really crazy stuff. So we'll be airing that this week. Yesterday I sent out an email with a link to the article. So if you're signed up at Ericmetaxis.com, you got that. Now, the first link didn't work. So we quickly sent an oops, the link didn't work email. So the second email that should work. But this is something that I feel very passionate about, that whenever I find information like this,

I say, I want to get it out there. A very similar thing. has happened to, which I've mentioned on this program again, with the discovery of the actual location of Homeric Ithaca, right? You've heard me talk about this, that Heinrich Schliemann found all these other Mycenaean places mentioned in Homer, but he could never find Homeric Ithaca. There was nothing.

And, you know, once you figure out, oh, this is the answer. The question is, does anybody know about it? I've also mentioned the story of my friend Michael Ward, who discovered that the seven Narnia Chronicles, each of the Narnia Chronicles corresponds to one of these seven medieval planets. Once you see this, you can't unsee it. It's just nuts. It's just exciting stuff.

So anyway, so the article is about Paul in Cephalonia, not being shipwrecked in Malta. That article is posted on my website. I put it on Twitter. We're getting it out there. Chris, what else do we have to talk about before we go to our guests. I think I'm, I'll just say this and you can respond, but I do not believe that if Barack Obama has not endorsed Kamala Harris, he's hanging back. He wants to put forward,

unless, I mean, by the time this airs today, because we're recording this in the morning, but by the time this airs, he may have endorsed her, but if he hasn't endorsed her, you've got to ask why. You've got to ask, how is he working behind the scenes? Because he's got a different idea. And a lot of people are saying it's going to be Michelle Obama. So I don't know. Well, yeah. I mean, it's interesting because Kamala got endorsed immediately by the Clintons, which, you know, I think it was Gab, Tulsi Gabbard, who came up recently saying that Hillary Clinton would sort of be the puppet master of Kamala moving forward. So I don't know. It seems like there's some internal tug of war on whose puppet belongs to whom. that's that's creepy yeah creepy yeah i don't know she's she comala doesn't strike me as a as a marionette type she's more of a of a of a dump the dummy kind you know the uh howdy duty you know that kind of that kind of puppet you know yeah on your knee does the mouth moves up and down with the you know the cackle it's it's so bizarre i mean look there are a lot of people coming out on the internet you know like naomi wolf and our friend

Pichi Kienin, and they're saying, just attack Kamala Harris on her policies because she is radically left. I mean, she is as leftist. She was the most left senator in the Senate. Now, you think about that for a second. This is a connect. Her father, now Naomi Wolf tweeted something about this this morning. Kamala Harris's father was an openly Marxist professor, openly, proudly Marxist. Amazing. Because you look at Barack Obama,

he was hanging out with Marxists, you know, and his father, if you read Dreams of my father, was an America-hating anti-colonialist Marxist. I mean, it's really fascinating that this stuff doesn't come out. They just say, oh, she's so nice.

And it's like, no, her father was a Marxist intellectual. And she, was the most liberal person in the Senate of 100 senators, the most liberal and her policies in California, dramatically liberal. So I think it's going to be tough for her, but, you know, it's crazy. It remains to be seen. All right, folks, when we come back, my first guest is John Graves, absolutely fascinating. My second guest, equally fascinating. Adam Angievsky. Don't go away. Please don't forget to sign up for my

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places in the world. And to sum you up, you have spoken to thousands of pastors across the country to educate and encourage church leaders and their congregations to take a lead in cultural transformation. And part of that means getting involved in politics. You're the CEO of this nonprofit, Million Voices, Incorporated, Association of Churches. You're the creator of digital door-knocking in Acts 2028 pastors. So you are singing my song. So when I read this, I just thought, praise God that we have somebody who understand, you're an ordained pastor who understands that God calls us to get involved in everything.

And sometimes that means politics. So I want to talk to you about election integrity, but I want to talk to you about the general idea of Christians and Christian leaders getting involved in politics, understanding that. led you to this understanding to the point that you have now taken dramatic action to make this a reality? God bless you. I'm thrilled to hear. Thanks for asking that. Almost nobody asked me that question. It's kind of I didn't grow up churched. I got saved. I studied world religions in high school and college and got saved my sophomore year in college. And so there was a conversion for me that was very radical to become a Christ follower. And when I did that, I didn't like politics.

I was all about the local church, the kingdom of God, serving pastors. I've done that for over 35 years now. And after 9-11, I felt like our country had been attacked and I wanted to fight back, you know, to defend also our country, first kingdom and then country, kind of God and country or faith and freedom, however you want to define those kind of areas. And I had a similar conversion where I was like, I don't know, man, they all seem like, you know, or these people, you know, they all seem like hypocrites to me. and I began seeing, wait a minute, if we're supposed to pray for the kingdom of God to come down on the earth,

we're supposed to be salt and light. We live in a constitutional republic. I'm an attorney. That's, you know, constitutional attorney is my trainee. And I thought, oh, my goodness, we get to elect who governs us. How can I not be salt in light? And that's how we came up with an A Million Voices. So using your voice means voting, getting educated, getting other people to vote.

You basically speaking out on the issues of this. day. And I'm glad you feel like we're doing something because I feel like you're doing something incredible. The Bonhofer book you wrote years ago was pivotal, not just for me, but for pastors all over this country to go, hey, in dark times, anything that the church withdraws from, the darkness takes over. You can complain about Hollywood. You can complain about education, the government. But the answer to every one of those is to get the light back into the dark institutions. And so, and so, and sometimes, it's messy, you know, and that's why I had aversion to it. And God has just slowly, as I've spoken in person

to 7,000 pastors, 40% of which are minority pastors, and people are like, oh, you can't do that. I'm like, oh, yes, you can. God can wake up his church. I don't care what their denominational or theological disputes are, what they're, you know, big churches, small churches, black, white, brown church. That's not the issue. The issue is, are they people that have a Judeo-Christian worldview and finally realize, wait a minute, we live in a constitutional republic. We get to elective governance. And that kind of started the whole thing, Eric, for me. Well, it's funny.

Thank you for bringing up my Bonhofer book. Now, can you believe, John, that there are people who call themselves Christians who have not yet read my Bonhofer book? Can you even believe that? And even worse, some of them haven't purchased the copy. Very hard. Very, I have encouraged pastors to get that. are really riveted. And one of my, if you study the great revivals that have happened,

the two great awakenings, one led us from freedom from tyranny and Britain and the other freed the slaves. Those are the two great wars we've had. Both of them were preceded by spiritual awakenings that were pastor-led. We've had other kind of mild awakening. I was going to say, you're singing my song because we have not compared notes before the phone. First of all, I'm joking around about the Bonhofer book, but at the same time, what you're saying in my new book, Religionless Christianity, I say that we are in our third existential crisis as a nation.

The first is the revolution. The second is the Civil War. And you are just saying exactly that. Apart from Christians getting involved, apart with spiritual awakening, there is no way through. You do not win the revolution. You do not keep the union together apart from God.

And so the idea that these things are somehow divorced, It's just an inane, utterly idiotic idea. And there are many Christians have bought this lie. It is a lie from the pit of hell designed to keep the church silent. So I've written about it in my last two books. But you are really doing something about it. And it's why I wanted to have you on because there are a lot of people that just don't, they don't get this.

I mean, they're prominent Christians that really don't get this. I would say Mike Pence, who was vice president, He doesn't get this. It's a weird thing. They're handcuffed. You know, they feel like, well, I can't be too vocal. I can't be too partisan. You think, would you say that if slavery was an issue?

Would you say I can't take a position politically if slavery was an issue? So anyway, I just, but before we talk further, remind my audience how they can find you and what you're doing. What is the website? So million voices.org is the website. We're an association of churches. We serve pastors and their congregations, people of faith, Christ followers of all denominations on 10 guiding truths that are things that you would all understand that are biblical, religious freedom, life, you know, those kind of things. You can also text MV to 80550s.

I know a lot of your audience is also on the radio so they don't get to see what we're doing. Part of what we've done is we educate people. And because I used to not be a Christ follower and I became one, apologetics was sort of my wheelhouse. That was where I would speak in churches all over the country and that's what I've done for decades. But I'm the same way with politics. And so I have a little different take. I can understand how it's easy for me and you, people who are on the front lines pushing, trying to serve the body of Christ and the people of Christ can get frustrated with pastors because they're the ones that should lead it.

I have a slightly different take where I've learned, wait a minute, instead of me getting frustrated, just remember, I used to be them. And so in some way, it's easier, almost like apologetics for being a Christ follower. It's like, here's what my objections were. This is probably what your objections are, Pastor. But let me explain to you my testimony of how I came from staying out because they're all crooked and we're about the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of the world. I mean, and it's like, okay, let's talk about that.

And let me explain to you why this doesn't work, but I want to touch on something you just talked about because I do this all the time. If we want to understand, we are in a crisis. And most, I honestly think my work is easier than it's ever been because pastors are waking up when the persecution's gone out. The things I used to say 10 years ago, they just dismissed me, all that's nonsense.

And now it's like, holy smokes, this is actually happening. If I'm a pastor and there's an anti-discrimination ordinance, in quotes, which means a man can go in a woman's bathroom and they come in my church and do it, all of a sudden pastors are waking up and going, what do I do? So sometimes the persecution, I remember one pastor saying when I first got saved, he said, if you don't do Acts 1-8, where God says, go Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, the ends of the earth, spread the gospel from your city to your country, to the nations in your country, to the rest of the world. if you don't do it in that order, Acts 8.1 breaks out, which is the persecution of the church. And that's sometimes when the church does it. So one example I give war, everyone now, 150-something years later, says, oh, it was terrible. How did you think you could own and breed human beings? Just because, you know, you bought them. And if you go back and look at sermons, all the pastors in the South were saying, hey, this is our right. We have a constant, you know, we, we, we, we, we,

We have freedom rights. They were preaching those parts of the scriptures. Up in the north, they were talking about if a slave could be free, let's let him get free. All the churches that were border states, you know what they were preaching? If you go back and look at the sermons of the border states, the church should not be involved in politics. There you go. So we now have a nation of border states during this war that's not clearly delineated between slave and free states. It's we shouldn't be involved because why?

I got people in my church that believe in this and people who don't, but the church is supposed to lead in these times. And so guys like you do things I can't do. You can be an intellectual author that can educate people that can explain this in historical context. My way to serve is I use technology. I own database companies, technology companies. I've served pastors. I understand constitutional law. So what I do is I create voter guides, which literally,

I can put on people's phones. I can pass out in churches. I've created technology that they can share it with other people. And I try my best to turn the average Christ follower into the hero of the story. We don't need to wait on brother, wonderful, sister wonderful to come save us. You're the hero of the story. If millions of you wake up, you can be the ones that can change in this country. All right.

We're going to be right back, continue conversation with John Graves. Folks, you can go to million voices.org. please do or you can text MV that's million voices text MV to 80550 MV to 80550 or go to million voices.org

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Use promo code Metaxus at checkout. Again, 800-9783057. 3057. Use promo code Metaxes to get huge discounts. Welcome back talking to John Graves. He is the man behind million voices.org, which makes the case, which we're making here and I'm making wherever I go. that Christians must, must be involved in politics.

If you got the idea as a Christian, you shouldn't be involved in politics. Let me just reveal that idea is from the devil of hell because he cannot promote evil if Christians get involved in politics and other things. And so whatever lies you have bought, I'm just here to bluntly say they are lies. You're responsible. God is a judge. People are going to suffer. if you as a Christian say, well, this is not my thing, let me just tell you, you know,

you don't need to run for office, but for you to buy that lie, human beings are going to suffer. No different than if you said, well, I don't want to get involved in politics and slavery is a thing. You're partially responsible for that. So this is very serious. John, let's talk more. I mean, I mentioned earlier, I'm getting more and more brazen about telling people to read my books because you always felt, I don't want to promote myself. I'm not promoting myself. Folks, I wrote these books. I didn't write the books to make money. Trust me on this one.

I wrote them to get out the message that we've got to understand the times we're in. If you're some kind of a Christian, I mean, non-Christians often understand this way better than Christians, that you have a moral obligation, a moral obligation to your fellow man. And in a free country like America, that means getting involved in politics. So in any case, so John, what else can we talk about? You know, I think one of my passions is to make things simple. I think most people that I find are frustrated. They know something's wrong.

They know there's a big problem, but they're like, I'm just one guy. Even pastors feel like this. I'm just one pastor. What can I do? And so we create these simple tools when people text the MV to 80550. They're going to get a voter guide. Now, obviously, the historic thing has just happened where the president of the United States has been pushed out of office and now someone else is in.

So we're going to have to change Trump versus Biden. And we're in the edits right now on Trump versus Kamala. It appears that she's not yet the nominee. You think it's going to be Kamala because I'll tell you what. I tweeted this this morning. Barack Obama has not endorsed Kamala Harris. He is the head, the Democratic. Let's not kid ourselves.

So I think he's digging back in the weeds and he's waiting for an opportune moment because the negatives on her are through the roof. And he's going to come in and say, listen, You know, we need to have, obviously, with the Democratic Party, we need a black woman. And guess what? Michelle will very selflessly step up to serve her country by being the puppet whose strings eye control. So I actually don't think it's going to be calm. But it kind of brings up the issue of that it actually doesn't matter if it's Biden or whatever. Whoever's there is going to do the bidding of, you know, certain people.

This is not exactly like the Democratic Party. is not a party that's really being transparent. That's right. Yeah. And so, I mean, look at what's transpired. I mean, look from the debate to the assassination attempt to the, you know, the fallout from that of how clear and quickly we know how botched that was, that it was either gross negligence or somebody was on the inside helping or this guy had more help than just a lone actor. And then Biden's, I'm not going to leave. I'm not going to leave. I'm not going to leave for the last 30 days. And all of a sudden, he's gone. And within 24 hours. People are lining up and she's going to work hard to earn their votes, in quotes.

And within 24 hours, she's sort of being coordinated. That all changed in the last two days, the last five days. What can happen in the next three weeks for the – so I agree with you. We don't know who the nominee is going to be, but it's about the policies of those people. And my big encouragement to the people who are trying to wake up the church is don't be arrogant and don't be apathetic. Do not underestimate that this is not a person, whether it's Michelle Obama or Kamala or whoever. That's not the issue. It's billionaires. It's the mainstream media. It's the industrial complex, the war machine. All of those things are all coming together to fund these things. So that's the spirit of the age that we're up against. It's not just one individual person. That's the spokesperson or the puppet. But it's not them that we're fighting. We're fighting something that's not flesh and blood. We have to keep that in mind. I would say also, and I actually do say this in my new book, Religinalist Christianity,

there's an end-time Antichrist spirit that we've never seen anything like it before. It's globalist forces that hate the concept of sovereign nations, and they particularly hate the concept of America on the founder's vision. They despise it. They want a one-world government, which is a satanic idea, and they've never been able to pull this off until the Tower of Babel, basically. But now we can do it again. We can have a one world currency.

We can have digital currency. We can have all this stuff. It is so wicked. It's just a picture of an Antichrist system. And Donald Trump somehow knows this is evil. And he's going to war against it. He just talked about not wanting to have, first of all, wanting to have a border, like actually believing that we should have a border, not allowing fentanyl to come in and to kill, you know, hundreds of thousands of Americans every year.

He wants to not have, you know, digital currency. And I think to myself, it's so fascinating that Donald Trump, who's, you know, he's not familiar with these end time scenarios, but he's sort of in his gut understands what is what is going to harm America, what is wicked. So Christians should be ahead of Donald Trump on this, but many of them aren't, which again, it's why I put it in in the new book, Religion and Christianity, which is the sequel to Letter to the American Church. We're going to go to another break here. Folks, if your church has not screened Letter to the American Church, please, please go to letter to the American church.com. Letter to the American Church.com. You can get the book there. You can buy the book for your pastor. We only have a few months. We only have a few months. Please go to Letter to the American Church.com. American Church.com. My basic thesis is what John Graves and I are talking about here. We'll be right back. Welcome back talking to John Graves. He's with million voices.org. Millionvoices.org. So John, there are a lot of people that say the election was stolen. I am one of those people. And so the problem is people say, well, the Democrats are going to cheat. Well, of course they're

going to cheat. They don't believe in, you know, their only principle is they have no principles. They believe in power. So, yeah, they're going to cheat. But that leads some people to say, well, then why do I, why should I vote? So obviously, you've got to, you know, you just set it off the air. You've got to walk and chew gum at the same time. But take us through this and take us through the voter guide again. Yeah. Here's my passion for people. You can beat the margin of cheat. My kids, several of them play basketball at an elite level. And one of the things that I always say is if a referee is trying to throw the game, he can only throw the game by so much.

They don't have an unlimited ability. Yes, the DAC is stacked against us. But if you make your free throws, if you don't turn the ball over, if you're hitting your shots, if you're playing good defense, you can beat the margin of cheat. And so there's going to be some cheating going on. But we don't use that. We don't stay back just because we have an enemy. Can you imagine if dad?

David didn't go fight Goliath just because, hey, man, this looks bad. I'm probably not going to win. It's an unfair advantage. He's been fighting since he was. No, he used all the facts of how big he was, how much he's been fighting, how much his armor was to know exactly where to hit him. I need to get him right above the forehead. I've done it in the hidden places. I'll now do it in public. And so we need that kind of fight that we can say, listen, we're going to show up in a force that that was going to overwhelm the system. However, we also need to take. take every single step knowing these are the rules. In other words, I may hate the way that this ballot dropbox is happening. They just overturned that in Wisconsin and these mail-in that have no

signature verification. Huge issue, Eric, a huge issue is citizens, non-citizens voting. And that's on the ballot in Wisconsin, probably the top pivotal swing state in the whole country. And yet, we can fight for those things to change the law, to change the way these things are done, to put eyes on it, to disclose it, to file lawsuits. There's all those things we can do. But if we all show up with 10 friends, with 100 friends, one of the tools that we created, this is kind of my passion. So we create these voter guides.

George Barna has said that the number one factor for a non-voting person who's more focused on the church is a non-partisan voter guide. People don't trust the media. They don't trust the parties. They don't trust the PACs. They trust their pastor, which I used to think was the number one person. It's not. I've measured this, and the ROI is a pastor is the number two person that a person will listen to to to vote. Number one is a close friend who knows about politics. So when we found out the North Carolina study where 80% of emails of conservatives and Christians were going to the spam filters with Google and Yahoo and all of them, we created a tool where when you text to get the voter guide, you get a link to share it with your friends and big tech cannot block millions of us.

that is and we we will set these up once you sign up a million voices.org or mv at 8.550 will send you the presidential voter guide and if you want in any one of the swing senate races that are across the country there are 11 Senate races that could go either way nine of those are currently held by Democrats and people say well we got to get Trump in well if you get Trump in and he doesn't have the Senate he's not going to get anything done and so you've got to have all three branches of government the House the Senate and the White House if you want to try to turn around the demise that's going on in this country. So that tool is so helpful for people because it's safe, it's secure.

We don't know who you send it to, but you now become the hero of the story because your audience, Eric, can literally, 100,000 of them, 10 each is a million new votes. The last two presidential elections were decided by 77,000 votes and 44,000 votes out of over 130 million. It's staggering stuff. It is staggering stuff. And I just want to say again and again to Christians that kind of want to look the other way, God is a judge.

God is a judge. If you look the other way, it's very nice. People read the Bonhofer book and they go, oh, I would have been right there with Bonhofer standing up for the Jews. That's a lie. Many good Christians did not have the guts to do that. And they went to churches where the pastors did not have the guts. and many people people listening to this program right now

are guts to take this stuff on. They want to have a nice church. You know who else wants you to have a nice church? Satan wants you to have a nice church where you're ineffective, you do your religious thing, and people suffer. And evil is promoted. It happened in Germany,

and if you think you're any different, you're not. There's as much original sin in every German as there is in every American. We are capable of that. It's one of the reasons I speak so strongly about this, because it happened to them. We talked about the slavery issue. How many Christians, Christians, look the other way, said that's political.

I'm just about the kingdom. I just want to sing hymns to Jesus. Well, that's a weird moment where the devil also wants you just to sing hymns to Jesus, as long as you don't actually worship Jesus with your actions. So that's kind of where we are right now. It's a chilling thing, John. I'm so grateful for you and everything you're doing, getting out these voter guides, million voices.org again, folks, in case you're missing it. And we've just got a minute or so left

in this segment. I want to tell people you can text MV, that's million voices, MV to 80550. All right. So, John, just about a minute left. Yeah. I, the thing I would add to what you said earlier is the spirit of this age is a spirit of Marxism, the root of secular humanism and everything we're hearing from the far left. is Marxism, and it requires there to be an oppressor and an oppressed. Christianity is forgiveness where we can overcome these things, but there are consequences for these things. And so the way we wake this up, this is a dark spirit. People say, oh, well, this is just Christianity, keep that separate. Don't mix church and state. No, this is a church. It's an anti-Christ church that they're

trying to establish and silence the pews and silence the people of faith and silence the people of God. we don't live in a country where we're telling our kids, hey, when they ask you to recant and get fed to the lines, do that. We actually can change this if enough of us bring everybody we can influence and overwhelm them in the polls this November. Well, look, this is great news. This is great, great news. I've said many times I know people, good people, that are going to churches that are promoting not just don't get involved in politics, but they're promoting Marxist, atheist thinking. It has come into the church. Folks, if you're going to a church like that, shame on you. Why are you doing that? What is your reason?

Why are you going to stand before God and say that, well, well, what? We are, we're in an extraordinary time in this country. And the Lord is looking to his people. That's you and me to step up. So I don't mean to sound overly dramatic. I just mean to sound dramatic. We'll be right back. Hey, folks, most of you are.

are listening to this program as podcasts or on radio so you can't see the visuals. To see the video, you know, if you subscribe to my newsletter, Ericmatakis.com, we put all these videos out because John Graves, my guest, has a couple of charts. And so you'll be able to see this on the video. But John, go ahead. I think we can figure it out. Yeah, I think I want to frame things for people where they say, hey, we've got to worry about all 50 states.

Really, both presidential campaigns are focused on seven. states. You've got Nevada and Arizona. You've got Georgia and North Carolina. These are kind of the Sunbelt states. And then you've got the Great Lakes, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. And really, for Trump's path, there's really not a path unless he wins one of these Great Lakes stakes. If you'll remember in 2016, he shocked the world and won those three Great Lakes, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. And I will remind people, it was 135 million votes. He won by 44,000. 0.006% of the votes. So it's where the votes are. So sometimes it's, are you willing to say, hey, I've got friends that live in these states.

Let's turn them out in those states. Let's share the voter guide. I'm going to have almost every one of these, Eric, is also a Senate race. So Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, all have Senate races that are going to decide the president and who controls the Senate. North Carolina's got a Democrat governor in a Republican state. Only Georgia is the only one that's just a president. state. If you expand that map to the rest of the Senate, now you're adding Montana and Ohio,

which are the most likely Democrat seats that could be lost. And you've already got West Virginia where mansion stepped down. But something unique is happening this year. Minnesota and Virginia and New Hampshire are within the margin of error. Now, this was between Trump and Biden. We'll see. Is it going to be Kamala? Is there going to be someone else at the convention the next few weeks? Say those three states again. Okay, Minnesota, Virginia, and New Hampshire, shockingly. So let me put this in perspective for you. Virginia, Trump lost it by 10 points four years ago.

He's now leading in some of the recent polls that have come out in Virginia. It is a shocking 15-point reversal. Now, how is Kamala going to do? Is she going to be the nominee? Who's her VP? Is it going to be someone else at the convention in a few weeks? We'll find out in a few weeks, right? But they can change that, too.

So they're desperate right now to do whatever. Texas and Florida also have Republican senators, Rick Scott and Ted Cruz, that are defending their home. But you can see how the map is starting to expand. And so what we do for people is they can text, we don't have this set up yet, but they'll be able to text, hey, I'm in Wisconsin, or I know somebody in Wisconsin. I'll text my postal code to 80550, WI for Wisconsin, PA for Pennsylvania, MI for Michigan, and they'll get the Senate guide free on their phone. Then they'll get a click to share that they can send it. So what we're trying to do is we give these to pastors. They can print them.

They're free. Hundreds of thousands are being printed yesterday. People are printing them in rallies. We give it to other ministries, but people can click it and share it with their friends, their neighbors. And it's just footnoted. We don't endorse or oppose. We're a 501C3 Association of Churches, but we footnote, Eric, every single thing that we say the person's, says. And they can click on those footnotes and say, oh, is that really their position on fracking or religious freedom or parents' rights or transgender issues? Every single one of these Senate races, we will have a simple one page. I'll get it all. I'm a, if you can't get it simple down to one page, you haven't done your work. It's kind of like Abraham Lincoln. I

apologize for writing such a long letter. I didn't have time to write a short letter. So, so we try to get it down to just one page, but it's fully footnoted if you want to go deep. And All of that is free and we give it to people because we want them to be the heroes of the story. All right, folks, you've heard it. Listen, please be a part of the solution, folks, going forward. Please get in the game. Please text MV to 80550. MV to 80550. Please go to millionvoices.org. Please be a part of saving this nation for the Lord's purposes, for the Lord's purposes. John Graves, thank you so much. Thanks for having me, Eric. It's an honor.