The Eric Metaxas Show - John Zmirak (Continued)

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Eric continues his conversation with John Zmirak on the controversy surrounding Caitlin Clark being named athlete of the year. 

Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. It's the show about everything, and we do mean everything. Yes, even that. Yep, that too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely that. Now, here's everything that you want in a host, Eric Mattaxas. Hey, you crazy people. This is the Eric Mattaxas show.

I'm talking to John Zmirak. John, you're going to say all kinds of fascinating stuff. But before I let you do that, I want to remind people we're doing a campaign with CSI. You can go to metaxis talk.com to give or you could call a phone number. I have no idea what the phone number is, but let me guess. I believe it's 888-253-3522. 888-253-35-22. 888-253-3522. People like to call 888-253-3522, or you can go to the website metaxis talk.com,

and you can see all the information is there. You click on the banner, metaxis talk.com. And this is about freeing slaves, folks. You've heard us talk about it. We'll keep talking about it. We have, I think I reported, we've had, of all the people who listen to this program, we've had 132 gifts. God bless you, those of you who've given. 132 of you have given gifts. We freed 165 slaves. So that means that many, can you hear the fire crackling behind me?

I love this. There's a fire crackling behind me. And I have no idea how it got there. But 132 gifts totaling 41,000. So those of you who have given, let me say, clearly and unequivocally. Thank you. It's a wonderful thing. It amazes me that I talk on this program. We tell this story and that many of you step up to the plate and you give generously. So if you've done that, thank you very much. If you've not yet done that, so far we have freed,

according to my report that we got this morning, 165 slaves have been freed. Now, again, we're not speaking metaphorically. This is crazy, but think about it. There's slavery in sedan and 165 people will be freed because of your generous gifts. But the goal, CSI gives us a goal, you know, based on past years. The goal is 676 slaves freed. So we are 511 behind. So that's a long way to go. So if you haven't yet stepped up, I want to recommend to you to please do that. And, you know, know, John, this brings us to a very strange moment where I want to say, let's think about white guilt. You're talking about white guilt, right? The slaves in Africa today are enslaved by other black people. So slavery has never been a race issue. It was briefly in this country,

an issue of race. But in Africa today, we have blacks enslaving blacks, and we know that the slave traders, the white slave traders who went to Africa to get slaves got them from blacks who had previously enslaved them and sold them into slavery and made money. So the idea that the race thing is at least preposterous. Well, I mean, yeah, we can. First of all, most of the slaving in Africa was done by Arabs preying on blacks, and Islam justified the enslavement of nonbelievers. There was a massive trade in Europeans being kidnapped by Muslims from the coasts of Italy and France, from the slave markets of Constantinople after it was conquered.

The biggest group enslaved were Slavs. The word Slav and the word slave got conflated because so many Russian and Ukraine and Polish people were enslaved by the pagan Vikings, by the Muslims. Slavery is a tragic but almost universal human reality up until like English and American Quakers and Methodists started being activists to abolish the slave trade. The one, slavery is not a white thing. Abolitionism is a Christian thing. And when you say that Muslims were particularly guilty of enslaving people, you remind me that the CSI campaign we're doing right now, all of the slaves that people on this are calling in and going to the website and generously freeing, all of the slaves you're freeing were enslaved by. Muslims, by radical Muslims. So let's think about this. Muslims in this part of the world, radical Muslims still believe in slavery. And they are literally enslaving people. Meanwhile, Christians, like many of the people who listen to this program, are freeing slaves. So this is an amazing thing that we're talking.

What you just talked about historically is happening today. It is. Christians freeing slaves. And of course, there are many people listen to this program that are not officially Christians, but they have Christian values. They believe in the dignity of human beings. They know that slavery is evil. And where do we get that idea from that slavery is evil? Well, it has been Christians traditionally who've put that forward. But you don't need to be a Christian to believe that slavery is evil. So if you haven't gone yet, go to metaxis talk.com. You'll see the banner there. I want to put them also that Muslims kidnap Christians and enslave them. If those Christians become Muslim, they're freed immediately. So the people who remain slaves

are the ones who are remaining slaves rather than give up their Christian faith and become Muslims. Think about that. Well, it's unbelievable. Ladies and gentlemen, please take advantage of this. Our friends at CSI are heroes. they have done the work. All you need to do is click a few buttons on your computer. They have done the hard work of making relationships over the decades so that they have ways every year to do this. And they barter with these, what are they called, Falani tribesmen?

These are Africans who have cattle, and they are Muslims, and they have slaves working for them. So it's a horrible thing, but you can do something about it. And if you go to metastastok.com, you'll see the banner. And what I keep saying, John, is that this is, I think this is the ultimate Christmas gift. If you say to somebody, we've freed a slave in your name, you know, you print out the thing and show it to them. That's so meaningful and so beautiful. And it's such a powerful example of faith in action.

We need to put our faith into action. It's one thing to say, oh, I believe this, I believe that. Well, good for you. but live it out and show people that you live it out. It's a powerful witness to non-Christians to say, we believe in this. And by the way, Muslims have enslaved these people. We are Christians and we were able to do this. So every $250 that you give folks, freeze a slave and sets them up in a life of freedom.

We've discussed that before. It's not enough simply to free them, but then what? well, they're established in a life of freedom. They're given all kinds of things to help them in that new life. That's what your $250 does. So anybody who can give $250, please do that. If you can't give that, if you want to give monthly, when you click on the banner at metaxustalk.com,

you'll see options. You can give $10 a month, $20 a month, $50 a month, give something, but that adds up over the months, and you're doing something very, very powerful. I want to say, before we go to the break, we got more with Johns Merak. If there's anybody out there that can give $1,000 that frees four slaves and sets them up in a life of freedom, if there's anybody out there who, by God's grace can give $15,000 tax deductible, I know most people, it's a struggle to give $250, but there are people listening to this program who can do this.

It's the end of the year. It's a tax deduction. and you can give $15,000 to CSI for this glorious purpose. If you do that, it will be my privilege to thank you by giving you an evening of my time. We can have dinner together either in your city or my city or a city in between, but we typically figure this out and we can spend an evening together. And that's my way of saying thank you. Obviously, I don't get anything out of this.

But I get the joy, frankly, of meeting people who put their money, where their mouth is, who put their money where their faith is. So that's a joy. If there's anybody out there, you want to do a special Christmas gift and you say, hey, we're having dinner with Eric Metaxus. Whatever you want to do, go to Metaxistocotoc.com. Metaxistock.com. Metaxistock.

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Hey, folks, listeners to my show know I'm passionate about the work of Christian Solidarity International because they protect and free those who are being persecuted and enslaved for their faith. Thanks to you to date, CSI has freed more than 100,000 people. from slavery in Sudan, but the work is not done yet. It's estimated that there are still tens of thousands more still in bondage, and CSI is preparing right now for their final slave liberation of this year. I'm hoping you'll join me and help them liberate another 300 women and children. Your gift of just $250 will free a woman in Sudan who has been enslaved for years and provide her with food and other supplies necessary to start her new life. Call 888-253-3522-88-288-28-2.

2533522, Christian Solidarity International, freeing and healing captives in Jesus' name. Go to metaxistock.com. Metaxistock.com. Click on the Christian Solidarity banner. Metaxistock.com or 888-2533522. God bless you. Welcome back, folks, talking to John Zmirak.

John, what else is on your mind? You were just talking about our opportunity to free slaves, to free Christians who've been enslaved by Muslims in Africa, by donating money to CSI. You know, but back in the Middle Ages, there was such a huge prevalence of Europeans being enslaved by the Muslim slave trade. A Catholic religious order was founded that called itself the Mercadarian Order. And this is the most amazing thing I've ever heard of.

These are men who would join a religious order whose purpose was to offer themselves as replacements for slaves. They would go to the Muslims and say, free one of your slaves and I will be your slave instead. And they would become slaves for the rest of their lives to free innocent people who'd been kidnapped by the Muslim slave traders. Okay, now hold on.

We want to talk about faith in action. Ladies and gentlemen, you want to talk about faith in action. What John has just shared, that, John, that's amazing. What century are we talking about? I think it was like the 6th, 13th, 16th century, the mercadarian order, they still exist, and they still try to free slaves, but they don't volunteer to replace them anymore. What you just said, it's the ultimate,

I mean, when I say faith in action, what we're talking about, ladies and gentlemen, is death to self. When you say I'm a Christian, I believe in Jesus, I believe he died on the cross for me, died for me, and then rose from the grave so that I now participate by dying to self, I participate in his death and rise with him with eternal life coming into me. But you have to die to be resurrected. So Jesus died and was resurrected. We, if we really have faith, we die to self. And so we identify with Jesus in his death.

And then the resurrection life of Jesus, the real life, the eternal life, not the temporal life that we have. and then it goes away in a few decades. No, the real eternal life of God comes to live inside of us. That is death to self. That's why we talk about death to self. If you haven't died to self, you cannot rise by faith in the resurrected life of Jesus Christ. And that's a big deal. So, John, you just said that these people were willing to die to self to the extent that they were able, by the grace of God, to offer themselves to take the place of a slave to free a slave. And I just want to say, folks, what I'm asking, what we're asking with CSI is not for you to die to self to that extent, where you offer yourself in that way, but you offer $250.

I mean, that's, that's a, I mean, when you. Such a deal. Such a deal. I will pay more than $250 not to become a slave. But I mean, if Jesus said doing to others as you would have do unto you, as you would have others do unto you, I mean, if you're a slave, how much would you want some Christian to do this? Let's think about this. You are daily enslaved. I don't want to get into the gruesome details right now, but you are daily enslaved. It's horrifying. We've talked about it on the program. How much would you want some Christian out there who could afford it to free you? What a beautiful thing that would be. Let's go into the contrast because I had been talking about useless toxic white guilt that is a status symbol. It's like living in a sudden place.

It is a status symbol and socially, upwardly mobile white people adopt white guilt as a way of seeming fancy, as a way of seeming upper class of trying to be. come here. You froze up a little bit, or maybe it's my internet connection, it's unstable. But so you're talking about white guilt. In other words, white guilt, and I haven't said it, but white guilt is the classic case of what we call virtue signaling. It's like, look how wonderful I am.

I am guilty of being wonderful. I'm guilty about being so wonderful. I'm guilty about being white. It's virtue signaling, and it's what people do to try to have elite status, which is the point you've been making. And it's not just useless. It's actually toxic. In my column at the stream, the title is,

Dear Caitlin Clark, white guilt is useless and toxic like all those stupid electric cars. And here's why that's true. The George Floyd phenomenon, it was a year-long Mardi Gras of virtue signaling, like the Pharisees blowing trumpets when they did something nice. huge corporations. They transferred hundreds of millions of dollars to Marxist grifters like Black Lives Matter. The leaders spend it on like Cadillacs and mansions, and I'm glad they didn't spend it on actual Marxist politics.

You said Cadillax. That's racist. My goodness. We better edit it out. I almost said Cadillacs and Cuevasier, but then I thought that would be offensive. Listen, this is so stupid, we should be a little offensive. I mean, it's so. It's so. preposterous. It's worse. It's worse than giving money to them. It's worse than giving money, just giving money to Black Lives Matters, Grifters. White politicians in crime-ridden cities, where

most of the victims of crime are not white. The vast majority of the victims of crime are people of color, like the people who are on that subway car whom Daniel Penny protected. I was just going to say all those people, I mean, I ride

the subways now and again, not as often as I used to, but it's mostly people of color. It's mostly black people. It's mostly Hispanic people. They're the ones that are suffering, and the people, the BLM folks, clearly don't care about actual black people. They don't care about, they care about themselves. Right. So white politicians set loose predators on black victims. They slash police budgets. They sprang felons from prison. They cheered as pacey-face ivy leaguers from Antifa joined urban hoodlums to loot black neighborhoods and Hispanic neighborhoods. Remember Tim Walts's crazy wife.

There's video of her talking about how she opened the window so she could smell the beauty of Minneapolis burning during the George Floyd riots. They called riots mostly peaceful. They made a counterfeit Christ. out of career criminal George Floyd. They did enormous damage. There's something called a Ferguson effect based on some riots that were in Ferguson, this town of Ferguson like eight years ago after alleged police brutality. Wherever people start talking about defunding the police

and community organizers teaching the police, crime rates go up. The murders of black people, the robings and assault on black and Hispanic people, goes way up. Look up the Ferguson effect. White guilt is toxic. And I compared it to electric cars. People buy these electric cars thinking, I'm saving the climate for the grandchildren I've decided not to have because that helps to save the climate. Electric cars all run on batteries that require cobalt. Cobalt is mined by little kids in Africa, mind by hand by child laborers in places like the Democratic Republic of Congo. And those kids get cancer and those kids die so that white people who play badminton

and eat watercress sandwiches can feel good about themselves. That's white guilt. It is poisonous. And it only exists to massage the egos of white people. And when you hear bishops or ministers talk to. about racial reconciliation and reparations, all they are doing is smearing themselves with white gilt sunblocks so they can pass for Park Avenue Episcopalians. That's about it. I mean, you've just said it. It's kind of, it's kind of amazing.

And the great thing is that black people in this kind of people saw through it. They said, this is weird. This is not about us. These people don't care about us. They're just playing and game with their fellow white people. And they voted for Donald Trump. And the great thing is, for eight years, we've been told Donald Trump is a racist and his movement is fascist and it's dangerous extremism. And then lots and lots of nine white people vote, in historic numbers, voted for Donald Trump because he was just sane.

He was just patriotic. And sanity and patriotism are popular. Their natural human, human virtue. And by the way, when he becomes president, if the drones don't shut that down, his policies will help black people. Black people in America are waking up to this, that the Democrats have been lying to them. And it's taken a long time because the Democrats have been lying very, very effectively since Lyndon Johnson, one of the biggest racists imaginable. a very cynical, corrupt, racist man.

And Hispanics are waking up. They want borders. They want to have a border. They want a border wall. They don't want another example of this hypocrisy. When Donald Trump as president continued Obama's policy, when somebody showed up at the border with children, claiming they were his children, you separate the adults from the children,

you interview the kids, you try to make sure they're really related to the person, that it's not some sex trafficker or some human trafficker who provided slave labor. You interview them, and in fact, Trump instituted DNA tests. Oh, you say that you're this kid's uncle, let's do a blood test, and let's see if you're really related. But when that happened, what? We have to go to a break, John. I'm going to let you continue this point when we come back.

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into the country by people who claim to be their relatives. So he was doing DNA tests. He was separating the adults from the children who they said were their children. Okay. And they found a lot of human traffickers. They found a lot of people smugglers. Well, when that was happening, you had the U.S. Catholic bishops screaming about the separating families, separating families, you can't separate people from their families. You had the media talking about children in cages.

These were, you know, little compartments that Obama, by the way, had built that Trump was just You had Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez posing next to a fence, pretending to cry. And now we have the actual pictures. There was nobody behind the fence. It was 100% of photo shoot doing a fake photo shoot crying over children who weren't even there. This was successfully used to help shut down Trump's immigration policies. Once Trump left office, the Biden administration got rid of the DNA test. And now anybody who shows up at the border with children and says, yeah, these are my nieces.

Could be a pimp. I have seven, 13-year-old girls. Yeah, they're all my nieces. We don't ask any questions. We just let them through with the children. More than 300,000 immigrant children went missing in 2024 under Joe Biden. More than 300,000 children disappeared into the sex industry. or they're working as slaves in factories,

or we don't know where they are. And that's how much the white liberals care about people of color, is that they're willing to let children of color be kidnapped and turned into sex slaves just so that they can play demagogic politics on the border. And thank God American citizens of Hispanic descent, some of them immigrants themselves, they said, no, no, I don't want K. I don't want human trafficking. I don't want drug cartels controlling America's southern border, and they voted for Donald Trump.

So what Trump did with his populism, he recreated the Republican Party as the party of the American working class of every race creed in color. It is now a working class party. It is not the party of cheap labor. It is not the party of the Chamber of Commerce. It is not the party. not the party of Nikki Haley and Liz Cheney. Right. And Mike Pence.

And Mike Pence. So I got in my piece at stream.org, I talk about how as a working class white kid whose mother was malnourished during the depression, I never felt white guilt. And that gives me much more income. John, if your mother had been black, imagine how malnourished she would have been. White malnourishment is very, very different. It's an elite form. It's an elite kind of malnourishment. It's malnourishment.

Right. So, again, every time a liberal talks about race, they are looking in the mirror and checking their hair. And that's it. John, I want to, before you, before I let you go, folks, when we come back, we're going to give you some details on the CSI stuff. My man, Kevin McCullough, is going to be on here. And, man, I just, when you hear the stories, it's so beautiful. I know people want to participate, but you want the details. So go to Metaxestalk.com.

But if you can't go to Metaxistalk.com, just keep listening. Or if you want more details, keep listening. I want to remind you of our folks, by the way, at the Herzog Foundation, we know that one of the biggest problems, the reason we are where we are is because failing education system in America. The public schools have been taken over by woke lunatics, mainly. And so homeschooling is a great solution. A Christian education, quality, genuinely Christ-centered K-12 education is the way forward. Our friends at the Herzog Foundation are there to help you investigate the possibilities

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some of you out there listening to this program, you may know Kevin McCullough by another name. That name is Votes Jadamas. Thank you, Chris Ims. Votes Jadamas. But today, we're just talking to Kevin.

So Kevin, here's the thing. You and I were fans of Christian Solidarity International. They're doing amazing work. It doesn't really get more amazing than freeing slaves. If somebody says, I'm against slavery. How would I free a slave? Good luck. I have no idea how many years and the effort that CSI has put into creating the network of people

who can reach out to these Falani herdsmen, to these radical Muslims who own Christian slaves. They have done that. They are involved in this. All they need is for people listening to this program to step up and to give them whatever you can give them. Every $250 frees a slave and sets that person up in a life of freedom. This is an outrageous opportunity for us to leave. live out our faith. It's, it's just beautiful. As of today, we are only at 5% of our goal.

I don't know, Kevin, how to exhort people to step up. I will give the phone number and the website is metaxis talk.com. You can see the banner. But I never know how to move people to do that because it just seems to me like such a beautiful thing. I want everyone to participate. Not everybody can give $250 or $1,000 or whatever, but everybody can participate. You can give monthly, which is much easier if you say, well, we'll just do this every month and do it as a family or something. But Kevin, you have for years been involved with CSI and you know the work they do. I, there are very few organizations on planet Earth that I say that I genuinely love. But CSI is one of those organizations. And the reason that I do is because they,

enter into a person's life where they are at the lowest point they can possibly be at. And when they work their miracle that Jesus allows them to work, that person comes to a brand new place in this life that they never thought they could be. So let me just tell you about A book. A book is a woman who was taken when she was roughly six years old. She and her sister and her mom and her dad and her two brothers were all, victims of a raid on their village in the Sudanese Civil War. They were harshly rounded up. Their house was burned in front of them as they were forced to march towards Sudan.

The Sudan, and now we have two countries, Sudan and South Sudan, but it was all one Sudan at the time, but into the north, they were forced to march. And she witnessed her father and her brothers both be shot and killed in front of her. as a six-year-old girl. She endured seeing her mother be gang-raped at the hands of multiple Sudanese, Arab jihadis, that just took sport in it. It wasn't anything caring or nice at all. It was just, we're just doing it for fun. And out of that, she was taken to a village in the north,

and then she was immediately sold from one slave, master to another slave master. So she ended up kind of being ping ponged away from her sisters and her mother. And she spent the next 17 years being ritually raped, abused, physically beaten, verbally accosted, starved much of the time. There was nothing more than crumbs for most days. If she ever spoke up to defend herself, it was more beatings, it was more lashings. When she reached the age of adulthood. She was told that in order to be a good Muslim woman, she had to go down to the little creek that was behind where the Flavestor's house was. She was given the rusted lid of a tid can and she was told to circumcise herself. And I'm trying to be as

family friendly as I can for those that are listening. But the idea that she had any autonomy, any sovereignty over her own decisions, any ability in her own life to speak for herself was robbed from her. And as time went by, she grew very depressed. She was raped repeatedly by not only the slave master, but the slave master's son. And in the process, became pregnant on more than one occasion. In the process of having those children, she weaned them, and then the slave master took them from her. So even the child that God had put inside of her body, she was not allowed to have. And then at one point in time, She was out retrieving water on a very hot day, and a CSI Arab retriever was there.

He spotted her. He could kind of tell by looking at her that she was a slave. He engaged in negotiations with her owner. He was able to secure her release. She was able to be liberated in a CSI liberation push. She was able to go back to South Sudan, where the first stop on the way back, they go to a recovery camp where they're given medical attention, counseling. They're allowed to remember their name. Many of their names have been changed from their Christian name to their Muslim name.

They're allowed to tell their story and write it down so they have a history of what they've been through. They are allowed to take the time needed to eat, to regain strength, to have medical things done if needed, to talk to counselors, et cetera. And then after that period of that season, and it's different for almost every slave that comes in, but after that season is kind of completed, then they're given what's called the bag of hope. and that's what the $250 provides. But it's not just a bag. It's way more than a bag. Because you get a year's worth of sorghum grain. You get a years worth of seed to plant for the following seasons years worth of sorghum grain.

And then you get everything you need to start your life, tarps, blankets, utensils to garden and cook and clean and fish with. You get a Bible that's hopefully in your language. You get blankets to keep you cool in the time when the nights get very cold. There's a whole host of things that you're given. And not the least of which is. the last thing is a she-goat. Now, many times that she-goat can be mated with a male goat back in the village wherever

you're relocated at. And guess what? Two goats plus time makes more goats. So over time, you actually develop a little micro-enterprise for that person. And at the end of this, when they're given this package, then they are helped to be transported down to wherever their home is in South Sudan. And the party just begins. The church, the village, the family members.

if there are any left, if not, former slaves that live in the same area, all come together. They have, they have, it's like the prodigal son on steroids. They, they cannot stop rejoicing that a slave has been released and returned home. I cannot believe this. I mean, folks, what more do you need to hear? Go to metaxis talk.com, please. The phone number, you can dial it right now write it down 888 253 3522 888 2532 please folks do this 888 253 2522 or go to metaxis talk.com. God bless you. Folks welcome back. I'm talking to my friend Kevin McCullough. We're talking about CSI. Kevin, you just told us such an amazing story. And I have to say, I just told you the first part of it. There's still more of it.

There's more. Okay. Yeah. It is so moving to me that we get to do something about this, which is why I exhort my audience. Folks, take advantage of this. Please take advantage of this. I don't know what you can give. I will say it again, anybody that can give big, like $15,000, which would free 60 slaves. I will, you know, spend the evening with you, have dinner. We can do this any place around the country. I just can offer my time and my evenings, which have become insanely rare that I get to do this. But I will do this.

It's one thing that I can do if anybody wants to give a big gift, tax deductible, $15,000. Most of us cannot afford that. But whatever you can afford, this is so beautiful. $250 does everything. So, Kevin, continue with the story. You've just got three minutes. Yeah, so, Abuke, she went through. the entire process and as she was being released and she got to the camp and she got her stuff

together she said to the staff um what about the others and as rejoicing as she was and as happy as she was to be back in her homeland and to be headed home to see her family she was very very concerned about the other slaves that were still there now just up until about two years ago CSI had no way of getting a child that had been born in slavery released. But as of two years ago, we have now had a few dozen of those children located and returned to their mothers to join them in their life in the homeland of South Sudan. And so that's part of what's going on. There's another friend of Aboogs that was liberated in the same liberation group as she was. And she was actually pregnant as she was being released.

and she told the CSI worker at the border camp, she said, I don't have anything held against the baby that's in my body. God gave me this baby. My slave master made me pregnant, but God gave me this baby. And he's a gift, and I will spend my life being his good mother if God allows me to have him. These are the lives that you're stepping into. These are the women who have had for years, prayers, secret, private, prayers that they had to pray in private, asking God to liberate them, to free them, to give them

their lives back. And many of them say, I didn't know if God would answer my prayer, but they have been answered and they are being answered. And before the end of the year, Eric, your listeners can take assurance of this. There is one more liberation that is just around the corner. We cannot release details on when it will happen or how it will happen or anywhere for the safety of those involved. But there is one coming. And if you give to Eric's show today, you will be part of that liberation. And there will be hundreds of slaves liberated. We're doing this on my show as well, and it's not nearly as impressive as yours, Eric, but last year we came right up to the 5,000th slave, human being that my listeners have helped give new lives to. And if you think about that,

and if you think about how much potential every human life has to give that gift to someone as a Christmas present this year, you couldn't do a better thing. So that's why we're all in. And the McCullas, we're not perfect at this, but over the last four years, we've made it our goal to liberate a slave once a month as part of our systematic giving plan as a household. And again, we're not perfect, but for the majority of those four years, we've been able to do that every month. And it's one of the best things we've ever done. Folks, I know that everybody's in a different place, but everybody can do something. Whatever you can do, please, folks, join us in this beautiful. beautiful, beautiful thing. Go to metaxis talk.com. You'll see the banner there. You click on it.

It'll walk you through everything. And right now, we're going to hour two. I guess I just want to leave the phone number with you. 888-253-3522, 888-253-3522, or the website metaxisstalk.com. Metaxistalk.com. You'll see the banner. folks. This is the right thing to do. Jump in. God bless you.