The Eric Metaxas Show - Jonathan Cahn

Episode Date: September 22, 2024

Jonathan Cahn joins the program to discuss his new book Dragon’s Prophecy

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What's the reason your friend sponsored your last intervention, Eric Mat, Texas. Hey there, hi there, ho there. This is Eric Mattaxas show. Chris Himes, anything you want to sing for people before I start getting into what's happening today? Well, anything I want to sing? Like, bapabum, da da da da da da da da da da da da da. Anything but that, anything. Okay.

Well, I tell you. Is that Spanish fly? By Herb Brits? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I love that. Great song. Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass.

I got that album like I think when I was in fifth grade for Christmas because I had taken up the trumpet. So they got me Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass. I know some of our bumper music, but we've got some Herp Alpert on there. Okay, so today in hour one, ladies and gentlemen, buckle your seatbelts. Because today, right now, you're going to hear from Jonathan Kahneman. I think you know Jonathan Conn. He writes these insane books that are not insane. He's got another one out.

It's almost unbelievable, but it's not unbelievable. And so I'm going to be talking to him for the whole hour today. It's his brand new book, The Dragons Prophecy. I don't know. It's like number one bestseller list. It's unbelievable. Jonathan Khan in hour one. in hour two, our friend Tim Gageline, Tim Gageline, I tell you, he is, well, you'll see.

We've had him on this program many times. He's written a book that really traces how we got here. In other words, the moral dissolution that has happened in America. He traces that he goes into the stuff that happened in the 60s and before the 60s. And it's really educational, it's valuable, it's even entertaining because it's, it's, it's It's good for us to know how we got out here. It's almost like all of the frogs in the pot that has been turned up to boil decided to start writing books and be like, hey, how did we get into this boiling pot of water? I'm sorry, what?

Just kidding. No, I heard you. Oh, I heard you, my friend. Yes, that's pretty, that's pretty much it. So we, now the other day, John Zmirak wrote a poem called, I will not eat. I will not eat grilled, sorry, I will not eat grilled Haitian cat. And I did a dramatic reading of that.

I guess we're going to post the video of me doing the dramatic reading of it. I'm looking, I'm reading, so it's a weird video. So don't look at me in the video, but just listen to it. The words are insane. You should actually just read the article and read it for yourself. It's insane. It's so funny, but it's brilliant. It's classic John's Mirac.

All right, a few things. Tonight, I will be on Greg Kelly's program on Newsmax. To me, Newsmax is the only news station on TV that I can take very seriously. Fox, not so much. Newsmax, yes. And the best host on Newsmax for sure is Greg Kelly. He's become a friend. He's amazing.

I mean, I thought he was amazing before I got to know him. but I'm going to be on his program tonight on New York. He's just a great kind of regular New Yorker guy, but sharp. He kind of has this every man vibe, but don't let that fool you. He's very, very sharp. But my wife and I, we still love watching him on the morning show with, I think I forget her name, but it was the Italian. Yeah, was it Rosanna Scotto?

I don't remember. That's right, Rosanna Scotto. They were so funny together. But just so you understand, Greg Kelly is the son. of Ray Kelly, who was the celebrated police commissioner in New York, you know, under Giuliani. And I mean, he's his father's a hero. And so Greg is follows in his parents. But we got to get him on the program, actually, in the New York studio.

He's just great. But I'm going to be on his program tonight. I want to be clear tonight, Newsmax, Greg Kelly, I will be on there. And I don't know what I'll be talking about. We'll see. Probably everything. next Tuesday I'm going to be on Flashpoint. A lot of people, when I'm around the country, you know, signing books and meeting people,

they say, I love you on Flashpoint. I love you on Flashpoint. I love Gene Bailey. I love everybody on there. So that's next Tuesday. I want to go down my schedule again because I have so many speaking engagements coming up in the next few months. If you live in the United States of America and can get to one of these, I'd like you to at least know, so you don't say, oh, I didn't know, because I love meeting folks, especially who listen to this program.

It's a great joy for meeting, folks, I'll tell you, to meet you, it's not an obligation. It's a joy. It's just a joy. And so I want to go down the list of where I'm going to be appearing in the weeks ahead in just a second. But before that, I want to mention our friends at the Heritage Foundation. You know that they're the ones behind Project 2025, the dream. Dreaded Project 20, 25. It's dreaded.

It's so dreaded. If you hate America, if you hate Trump, if you hate free speech, if you hate all that wonderful stuff, Project 25, 25 is dreaded. And you know why they called it out. It's kind of like what my wife and I sometimes lament. It's like the other side seems so organized, right? And, you know, our side, they kind of just seem like they're a day late and a dollar short on all this stuff.

and we're having to play catch up. This is actually one time that we've actually done some pre-work, and it's scary to them, and that's why they hate it. And thanks to the Heritage Foundation. And by the way, they do this every four years. If there's a possibility of a conservative administration, they set this whole thing up. So you go to www.25truth.com,

25truth.com. We're getting more sign-ups for the cruise, the Greek crews. every day people are signing up. I'll talk about that later. But I want to go over my schedule before we get to our guest, Jonathan Kahn, because yesterday I read some of this, and I was astonished at how much I have going on. I'm going to be very busy.

So, okay, ready? September 27th, that's next Friday. I'm going to be speaking at the Family Institute of Connecticut and Southington, Connecticut. All this stuff is available on my schedule at ericemattoxas.com. Southington, Connecticut, and I say this because I know there are people in the area. I want to see you there. Get there if you can.

Go to my website, ericmataxis.com, and you will see the links under speaking of where I am. And let me also say, if you're not signed up for my newsletter, go to Ericmetaxis.com, sign up for the newsletter, and you will see, it's very simple. we will send you once or twice a week where I'm speaking and all this kind of stuff because I just want you to tell your friends and tell your family and if you can come. So September 27th, Southington, Connecticut, September 29th, I'm preaching at the King's Church in New York City in Manhattan. My friend David Englehart is the pastor. He's letting me preach.

The week after that, oh my gosh, we've got a sneak peek Bonhoeff for screening in New York City. If you're part of this exclusive Bonhoeffer New York City tour, you're going to get a sneak peek of the Bonhofer movie that comes out November 22nd. Mark your calendar, November 22nd. That's the opening of that. The film has to do well. I'm telling you, I've seen it. I am thrilled to death. The people who made it were inspired by my Bonhofer book back when. And so I'm thrilled to death. Okay. We have, I'm going to be in Indiana, October 4th. I'm going to be in Austin, Texas, October 5th. Holy cow.

I'm going to be in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, October 11th. I'm going to be in Dana Point, California, October 12th. I'm going to be in Phoenix, Arizona, October 17th, Colorado Springs, October 18th. Mesquite, Texas, that's near Dallas, October 19th. Are you tired yet? I'm going to be in Spokane, Washington, October 26th. I'm going to see at the Museum of the Bible in D.C., October 30th. I'm going to be in Boise, Idaho, November 1st, and second.

I'm going to be in Leeds, Alabama, November 15th. I don't know how I'm going to do it, but I hope to see you in these places. And there are other places. You can see everything. I heard a rumor that Jonathan Kahn has a magic carpet. Maybe we could borrow his. Yeah, you know, that's a great thing. When you have certain friends, you know, you get these privileges.

And Jonathan Kahn, he flew into the studio the other day on a magic carpet. And he was wearing these curly slippers that come with the carpet. And it was just magical. And he's letting us borrow that carpet to get around the country. So we're going to have some fun. Go to Eric Metaxus.com to speaking, check it out. But sign up for the – please sign up for the newsletter. I know I keep saying this, but there's so many of you that they write me and you're not signed up.

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Thank you. Always great to be here. Listen, nobody writes more books than I do except you. But I think that's because my books, you know, I can't write them quite as quickly because they're just loaded with information. Whereas your stuff, it's pretty fluffy stuff. Oh, yeah. There's really nothing in it.

Folks, if you've read these books, it's just, you know, it's just a piece. opinions, except I'm kidding. Feel good. Here's the problem. Your books are so full of information that I don't even know where to start. I mean, I'm just, my notes here say that this book talks about unseen forces, determining the events of our times, and you uncover mysteries like the return of the sea peoples, the dark resurrection, the black Sabbath, the Prince of Persia.

It's tantalizing stuff. Where do we start? Why do you think, where do you get the idea? This is my first question. Where do you get the idea to write this book? What was the initial thing that said, I'm on to something again? Yeah, well, this was different because I was actually planning to write another book, which was the sequel to the return of the gods.

And I know I'm going to write that, but I was interrupted. And one thing I was interrupted by is what happened in Israel. And then the Lord really interrupted. I'm praying, Lord, do you want me to write a different book? And actually my car driving my kids to school. and I see a, in my mind's eye, I see the image of a red dragon. I said, okay, this is it from Revelation. And that's what held it together.

One of the things that happened was one of the mysteries here is that I was actually sharing at the congregation in, I lead in Beth Israel, which is here across the river in New Jersey. It was a Friday night, and I'm let to share about a mystery, this mystery from the Bible, and ordained, not that I knew it, or ordained that there would be an attack on Israel. it would happen in the year 2023 and i'll share why it happened will happen in october would happen on a sabbath day a saturday would happen on a hebrew holy day what happened on the first saturday of october 2023 would lead to war take israel by surprise and the next morning it happened after i shared this mystery this is one of the mysteries of the book um there are many but that god is in

charge and it may even be it may even enable us to know a number of events to come and when after i finished the manuscript other events started happening according to it so this is kind of what i didn't plan on this book i was kind of shaken to do this um and then the lord just took it okay so you know this is heavy stuff and i think we have to be clear to frame things for people god speaks prophetically through people he he does this for us to bless you us to help us to see what is happening. And he seems to have chosen you for that because he continually gives you the ability to see stuff that others haven't seen.

And then you see it, you write about it so we can all see it. So in this case, when you say that you spoke about what happened right before Hamas attacked, October 7, 2020, 23, what was it that you saw in the scripture that you see this looks like a pattern. Yeah, this is one of the things, and we may have spoken about it before, this is something I've written about called, I call it the Jubilee and Mysteries,

and that is that, starting with the Jubilee, Jubilee every 50th year. And the 50th year, whatever you lost, you get back. And so the first thing about this mystery is that when God restored Israel, it happened according to the pattern of the Jubilee. The first, I'll just give a quick nutshell of that. The first thing was 1867,

the land is actually released by the Sultan that the Jewish people can actually start redeeming the land. There's much more happen. But if you count 50 years, it takes you to 1917. Next Jubilee. 1917, the British come in, the Turks leave. Balfour Declaration, gives the land to Israel. Everyone shall return to their land.

Second one. But they didn't have Jerusalem. Count 50 years, it takes you to 1967, the Six-Day War. And in the Six-Day War, after 2,000 years, the Israeli soldiers enter the gates of Jerusalem. This is key for Messiah Jesus coming back. So that's the next. But they never had the recognition.

In the Jubilee, you get the legal right and the recognition. The world refused that for years. But if you count 50 years, the next Jubilee, it takes it to 2017. Did anything happen? 2017 is the year that America, under Donald Trump, issued the Jerusalem Declaration, first time since ancient times recognizing legally Jerusalem. So there's so much, all these things happen, but one of the things that, why I'm going to get to, like October 7, and you see, it's called the dragon's prophecy. This is a dragon cover.

I haven't done something with this kind of cover. The dragon is the enemy, and that is spoken of in Revelation. The enemy takes the things of God and twists them, so inverts them. And so if you look, there was actually a calamity that happened to Israel in modern times, and it was called the Yom Kippur War. And that calamity, because it almost destroyed. Israel. The natural, they thought it was the end. Golda Mier almost committed suicide. They thought they were finished. They were caught by surprise, ground invasion, turned it around, but it shook Israel to this day. And this was 73. This is 73. So Nixon was

president. That's right. He was very helpful to Israel. He was. Dramatically so. He was. And yeah, this is the time of Nixon, Kissinger, and that whole thing. And if you count, so if the enemy's taking, playing on what God does, but reversing it, takes a calamity, go to the 50th year. It takes you to 20, The Yom Kriper War happened in October. So this is going to happen in October. The Yom Kipp War happened on a Saturday. Happens on a Saturday, Sabbath.

Yom Kippa War happened on a holy day from Leviticus. So did this one on October 7. And the Yom Kripper War took place on the first Saturday of October of 73. Points to the first Saturday of October, 23, is October 7th. It happens exactly. When did you make this connection? You said you spoke about it before it happened. I spoke about on,

that Friday night before I was led, and again, I'm not saying I know these things, Eric, but God leaves. You spoke on October 6th, on the night of October 6th, which was the 50th, which is the exact, the Western anniversary of the attack on Young Group War. And I spoke about the 50-year mystery of God and how all these things correspond, 50 years and 50 years in this whole thing, which is in many ways, even links to COVID, but won't get into that. But the thing is that, and then the next morning, it happened.

And everybody said, you just spoke about it. And that's where I said, okay, Lord, are you wanting me to go further with this? And that began the Dragon's prophecy. Wow. Okay. So what happens next? Let me ask you real quick. I've never understood, you know, we believe in Jesus and we believe in the New Testament.

And it talks about Satan. Yeah. What is the Jewish understanding of the devil? Because they don't have, it's not as clear. as it is in the New Testament. Yeah, well, everything is clear. It kind of comes to its full clarity in the New Testament, which is in the Old Testament, you know,

and so, yeah, Satan is in the Old Testament. The word Satan is Hebrew. I mean, Satan, the opponent. And that translates to Greek, becomes Diabolous. We get the word devil. So this is the opposer. You found him in Job. You find him in Zechariah.

He accuses Israel. Deals with David at one point. So you have this actually continuing. The enemy is, you know, it is understood the way it's understood in the New Testament, except that this is an angelic being that was inverted, inverted against God, opposes all the purposes of God. And the thing is that, so, Eric, let's say we were from another planet, and we just came on it, we didn't know anything but that. And we knew that God also brought up people Israel to accomplish his purposes in Earth,

the Bible, Messiah, the kingdom. What would happen? There would be a war between this entity and the Jewish people. Now, we would expect, if we knew nothing else, the Jewish people would become the most hated people, accused people, persecuted people, ravage people. And we'd see this war through, and this war would never end because the enemy doesn't die. The first anti-Semite is an angel. And when you look in Revelation 12, that shows, you have the dragon, set with the enemy, attacking this woman with 12 stars and who gives birth to Messiah, that's Israel. And so this is exactly what just happened. People were shocked. This is part of an ancient war that was long before we were born and it's going to continue up to Messiah.

But this is really, you see, one of the things is that, I think you probably heard the story. I don't know if it's been verified, but that a king asked his minister, give me one proof of God. And the guy says, one with the Jew. Yeah. Well, but the Jewish existence proves God, but it also proves the enemy because no people. I mean, why is it the most evil people in the world? You know, Hitler, you know, most of you are obsessed with the Jewish people.

I mean, because the enemy is, you know, and it never makes sense. You know, the communists accused the Jews of being capitalists, the capitalists. the capitalists of communist. It doesn't matter. It just resurrects because this is a real spiritual warfare. You say something in the book about the C. peoples. Now, I'm familiar with the Mycenaean era. Yes.

I'm writing a book on Homer and the Misenian people. So we're talking, you know, 1,600 BC to about 1,100 BC. And a lot of people have speculated that the Mycenaian era was really wiped out by the sea people. It's always very confusing. So what do you mean when you talk about the secret of the so-called sea people? Who are the C-people? Yeah, and by the way, Eric, you're the only interviewer who knows what you just said, you know, to say that, that I've known. That's brought that up.

Yeah, the, let me put it this way. And I'll get the C-people's, well, let me put it this way. One of the things I want to do in the book is it's kind of removing the veil to see, when you remove the veil to the spiritual realm, you see actually what's happening in the physical realm right now. And so just a note of the enemy. The enemy is also a mimic. He's an imitator. He imitates God, you know, the works of God, the Antichrist.

You know, everything is an imitation. Well, what did God do? In the 20th century, God resurrected in ancient people, Israel, back into the world. What's the enemy going to do? He's going to resurrect an ancient people. Okay. Going to a break. That's called the cliffhanger in show business.

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So keep talking about this. Yeah. So the thing is that what, if the enemy is going to imitate God and God resurrected an ancient people, could the enemy also resurrect an ancient people? And it's not about the people. They don't know what they're doing. We love all people, but they can be used. And the thing is that, who are the ancient enemies of Israel,

or the arch enemies, the Philistines or the Pylastin. They are known as one of these people who swept across the Mediterranean, across Egypt, settled in Israel on that coast. And so what if the enemy would do that, or take a people and conform that into that image? Well, the amazing thing is, by the way, when the Jewish people, when the first instance of Israel recorded outside the Bible is by the pharaohs in the inscriptions where it says, I vanquished Israel. The mermeptus steel.

The mermatose. I think it was the merneptus steel. I wrote about that on my book, is atheism dead. I was so fascinated by this. I mean, it's amazing. And right after that comes the first recorded instance of the Philistine. So it's like Israel comes in the world. The Philistine is there.

Now, the thing is, what if the enemy resurrected it? Well, there's a people called the Palestinians. The word Palestinian literally means, people don't know this, means the Philistines. And in fact, the way you pronounce it in Arabic, they don't call themselves Palestinians. They call them this pronounce Philistine or Philistini. Literally, it's the word Philistine. So you have Israel, and as Israel was resurrected, this resurrection, this other resurrection starts paralleling it.

And in fact, the word Philistine comes into the Arabic word, just right at the, starts spreading through the Arab world as Israel's coming back. And at every point, it happens. Where did the Philistines live? They were in the place called Pilachet in Hebrew. We call in Bible say Philostia. You know, it's a little region of land. Where is it?

Today, it exists, but it is called the Gaza Strip. And the Gaza Strip, which does not, did not exist. Gaza did. Gaza Strip did not exist. It came back, it came into the world, when, in 1948, when Israel came into the world. And so the Jewish people, the Israelites, went to the land of Israel, and the people called Philistine, go to the land of the Philistines. And so you have a setup. You have this whole thing.

And in ancient times, Gaza, Strip or Philistia was the place where a lot of evil came out of that and into Israel. In fact, the Philistines used to launch raids and attack from the Gaza Strip basically, and they would go into Israeli villages, they would brutalize them, and they would take hostages back to Gaza. So what we just witnessed is a replaying of a mystery that's totally in the Bible and that the enemy is using. So are the Philistines the sea peoples? They are considered one of. There are, they believe from the Aegean Sea, there were several. They were one that certainly swept across that that time and ravaged the place, yes. Okay, now you say also that Hamas appears

in the Bible. How so? Hamas is an Arabic word, and it's an acronym, and it means the Islamic resistance movement, and it means in Arabic zeal and fervor. But it's one of the strange words that's also Hebrew. And so in Hebrew, it means evil, violence, death, and destruction. And the is that word Hamas actually appears in the Bible and I'll give you some example I put it in the book but just some examples if you go in the Hebrew it says for it Lord save me from the man of Hamas it says Hamas has risen up in the land as a rod of evil it says Hamas is in the city and the land is filled with bloodshed Hamas you know how they dwell they dwell in the tunnels they hide it says Hamas dwells in the dark places of the earth and then it says actually there's a word given in the prophets to israel says

rid Hamas from the land then in the in the kingdom of Messiah There's a promise given to Israel in Isaiah. It says, and then Hamas shall no longer be heard in your land. So yes, it is in the Bible. Wow. Okay. You also say that Hitler somehow had a part in the horrors of what happened on October 7th. What do you mean by that?

Yeah, well, first, you know, people were already likening to. So it was the worst day in Jewish history since the Holocaust. And people likened what the Nazi troops used to do going house to house. But the thing is, it's deeper than that. There's a guy called, you may know, called Al-Hussi. He was also called the Mufti of Jerusalem. He, he, in the 20th century, he was responsible for Jewish bloodshed. He fled the land, went to Berlin, met with Adolf Hitler.

He was a fan. They met together. The mufti wanted to bring the Holocaust to Israel. He wanted Hitler to do it. Hitler said, I'll do it in the right time. The thing is that he ended up working for Hitler, broadcasting on Radio Berlin to the Arabic world, all this Nazi ideology. After the war, he was going to be brought up in Nuremberg as a war criminal.

part of the Holocaust. He escapes, comes to Egypt. He meets a teenager, an Egyptian teenager, whom he disciples as his mentor of this one. He decided, the teenager's name was Yasser Arafat. And here you have a... Not the Yasser Arafat. Just another guy named Yasser Arafat. There were a lot of them. Yes. Okay, seriously, you're serious. Yes. You have a line... The Mufti who worked with Hitler. Yes. Because I know about this. Yes. He escapes to Egypt. He escapes justice. at Nuremberg. Yes. And he disciples Yasser Arafat. Yes, who becomes the leader of the Palestinian agenda. And by the way, the Muffti is called the father of Palestinian nationalism. He was an employee of Adolf Hitler. And the thing is that, not only that, the Hitler also

sponsored, funded, trained, helped in propaganda an organization in 1930s. The name was the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood gave birth to Hamas. When you look at the Hamas charter, probably looked at it. It basically reads the words of Adolf Hitler in that original charter. And the thing is that here's another thing, just throwing this in. You know, Adolf Hitler put Heinrich Himmler in charge of the Holocaust.

And he pointed Himmler in charge of the territories that were conquered to begin the Holocaust. The day was October 7th. Himmler was born on October 7th. You have this chain of the enemy's war. At this point, I'm looking at my producer, Chris

I think Jonathan Khan is just making this stuff up. We're going to get back. We're going to hold his feet to the fire. I think he's just making it up. We'll be right back. Folks, welcome back talking to Jonathan Kahn, who turns out is not just making this stuff up. A lot of people would say, I think he's just making it up. Turns out he's not. And we have to, I got to ask you, because this stuff is so extraordinary. You talk about Hamas' invasion of Israel, being connected somehow. to the book of Revelation. What do you mean by that? Yes. Yes. And I'm not saying Revelation is predicting this.

But here's the thing. In Revelation, it says the dragon, warred against the woman. Actually, the Greek word is persecuted. This is against Israel. And it says, and we remember that he spewed a flood out of his mouth to wipe the woman away, which he's actually used against Israel in different ways. But the actual invasion of Israel, Hamas gave it a code word. They don't call it the October 7th invasion.

They call it Operation Two-Font. Tufon is the Arabic word, which means the flood, as in the flood of a dragon. They don't know this, but that's exactly what it was. It's unbelievable. What do you mean by the term the colors of the apocalypse? Yeah, in the book of Revelation, and by the way, this is also, Eric, this is the only book, I didn't plan it this way, the only book ever in, which totally goes into the realm of end-time prophecy. What's happening now, but it really, it totally relates. We've crossed a number of thresholds, prophetic thresholds.

But this one is in Revelation, of course, there are the colors of death, of famine, of war, which is the four horsemen, the four horses. You have the white horse, you have the red horse, you have the black horse, and you have the pale green horse, cloros. And so you have that. But the amazing thing is when after October 7th, it wasn't just October 7th, all over the world, you have this wave, this hatred, this rage against Israel, in Harvard, in America, as well, the whole world. And the thing is that where there was this rage against Israel, the colors of the apocalypse start appearing and how so. They all gathered around a banner. The banner is the flag of Palestine or the Philistines, which is white as in the white horse, red as in the red horse, black as in the black horse, green as in the green horse. And the thing is, every nation that has these colors, it marks them as an enemy of Israel.

Wow. Okay, you say that the prophet Ezekiel foretels a coming invasion of Israel that may be another big event to talk about that. Yeah, well, Ezekiel 38 is very specific, and he speaks about an alliance of nations, an invasion of Israel, and he names the names. You know, now we can identify a number of them with at least the areas there, and there's some, there's question of it.

But the thing is that we can identify them. Interesting thing is the ones we can identify today, or in this modern age, have all become enemies of Israel. Interesting. They're also working more and more together. But the thing that I saw is that, you know, it says that they'll all partake in an invasion of Israel. What I saw is that each one of them, of these ones that identify in the book, each one of them had a part in the invasion of Israel of October 7th. Each one was a backer of Hamas. Each one smuggled in arms. Well, we know Iran. Who else? Definitely Iran. Sudan, which is Kush, also did it. Put, which is Libya. Togarma, Turkey, they all, every one of them are marked as they did that. And this had never

happened before. I mean, and this is not, the fulfillment is yet to come, but they've never crossed this line. They were all involved in invasion of Israel. And Iran, absolutely, Iran, you know, Ezekiel says Iran is going to attack Israel along with the rest, but Iran never attacked Israel directly. But Iran for the first time did. It was just in the last few months. We crossed another prophetic line. Yeah. You say that behind 9-11 was the Temple Mount. You say this in the book, and I have to ask you about the so-called King Solomon Secret. I mean, this is tantalizing stuff.

We don't have enough time. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, yeah, people don't realize this, and CNN will never tell you this, and that is that behind October 7th was the Temple Mount. The Temple Mount is really the ground zero of end-time prophecy. That's where it all has to come together. That's where the temple's going to be. That's where the Antichrist is going to be.

That's where the kingdom's going to be. So you're going to have warfare over that. You're going to have spirit. You're going to the dragon or the enemy is going to seek to dominate, and he has. In fact, to not allow any Jewish person to go up there and pray, you know, because this is linked to the temple. And so anything that would shake that was going to, all hell is going to break loose. Well, people don't know at the beginning of that year before October 7th, something happened. It happened on a Hebrew holiday.

It was Passover. There was a rumor that Jewish people were going to go up on the Mount, celebrate Passover on the Mount with a lamb. Well, all hell broke loose on the Temple Mount. And it was then that Hamas issued a threat to Israel and said, because you did that, because of that, you're going to pay the price. Basically, I'm paraphrasing. October 7th was the enemy's back, his counterattack for what just happened. All hell broke loose on that. And the thing is that as it happened on a Hebrew Holy Day, so October 7th, the attack happened on a Hebrew Holy Day.

And the thing is that, as far as King Solomon, there's one day of the Hebrew year where the Jewish people open the scrolls and they read of King Solomon. dedicating the temple on the temple mount. Now, to the enemy, that would be a threat. And they're reading it all over Israel. What day was that appointed? It's a Hebrew holiday. The day fell on October 7th. So they're opening the scrolls.

They're reading about the temple on the temple mount. Habas is planning the Operation Tufan, which they also called Operation Al-Aksmask. They named the attack also after the Temple Mount. And by the way, I'm going to throw this in, Eric. Behind 9-11 was also the Temple Mount. because after October 7th, Hamas issued a statement. They said it was because of the Temple Mount. You threatened the Temple Mount.

This is the enemy speaking. After 9-11, bin Laden issues a statement, and he says it happened almost usually the exact same words, because of how you threatened the Temple Mount, talking about Israel and thus America. And so it's all behind it. It's all, when you pull away the veil, it's all there. Do you have any sense of whether, how America fits into this and whether Trump will, get back into office? Oh, I'm praying. Well, we all are praying. I'm praying. You know, you know, well, first of all, America, well, listen, listen, America is, you know, people come up with it,

but there's no real clear thing of America in end-time prophecy, which would mean that America would not be what it is today. It's not going to be the head of nations. They're going to be a decline, which would only happen if it falls away from God, which is happening, and if it falls away from Israel, which is now, we have warning signs, especially in one party, where about half of them, hate Israel right now in the in the in the in the more left-leaning party and so the thing is that if it turns away from it's like that's the saving grace if we turn away from that and god forget it for for this is the abrahamic covenant a you know and it's all it's always held true from the days of the pharaohs to america and so that's one thing the other thing is that i think you know listen

we pray for revival i i did i think we once spoke i did i did a book called the paradigm which speaks about trump and it has the all these parallels and jehu now jahoo trump is a jahoo you know jah who was wild. He was unpredictable. He was, he had an alliance with the religious conservatives of his land. He came face to face in a showdown with the nation's former first lady. And, and even all the time is exactly the same. Well, it's, I don't, I can't say, you know, I'm like, I'm torn between the two. Is God going to give America another chance? Right. If Trump gets in and Trump is not the answer, the Lord is the answer, but if Trump gets in, it will slow things down. Right. But if, but if the other gets in, it's going to accelerate it. No doubt about it. We'll be right.

back final segment talking to Jonathan Kahn, the new book, The Dragons Prophecy. Our love is a lie. Welcome back talking to my friend Jonathan Kahn. I think the obvious question a lot of people have, to some extent, is what's the point? In other words, you hear all this stuff. What is God trying to do by giving us the information that he's given you that you put in this book? What is the larger point? Yeah, one is that God is in control. God is real. the god of the god of the bible is still real the god of israel's real and what the bible said is actually coming forward we are actually moving forward on these things in every direction um the the other thing is what do we do the last part of the book of the dragon's prophecy is what do we do because you see it says

the dragon in revelation doesn't just war against the woman it says he wars against the rest of her children who are they they're us they're everyone who follows messiah if you're if you're a believer you are a spiritual child of israel no matter where you come you are the enemy attacks Israel physically, he attacks the people of God spiritually, persecution. In the last days, he's going to rage against both of them. And so Israel and the church are going to get more and more together even by that. But one of the things is that we have to fight. One of the things about the Israel, in the natural, Jews weren't known as fighters for a long time.

They weren't allowed to be. But he came back to Israel, said, if we don't fight, we're dead. That's the correspondence. We are spiritual Israelis. We have to learn how to spiritually fight. We cannot just take what's happening in the culture, what the enemy is doing, or in our lives. we had to say, no, we will fight this. We have to be strong like the first believers were and to touch the world.

So the last part is about that because the dragon wars against every human being, not just the Jews, not just the church, but everyone in the image of God, he's been warring against each one of us since we were conceived. And we have to fight the fight. And some things of encouragement is when you look in Revelation, you see a dragon, but you also see a lamb. And now most people would place their bets on a dragon if they're fighting. But the lamb wins. The lamb is Messiah.

And the thing is, you know, evil always comes like a dragon, overwhelming, fierce, you know, intimidating. Good comes like a lamb. It's an underdog. It doesn't look like it's annoying. I mean, you speak about, look at the Christians in Nazi Germany. Look at the Christians in Rome and on and on. Well, it may not look like it, but good does win. You know, the dragon is reptilian. That's cold blood. They don't last. The evil doesn't last. It can't. But good goes forever. We will win, you know, if we persevere. I'm not talking about every battle.

But it's interesting when you talk about fighting because I really do think that there are many Christians who have been persuaded of a lie that they're not to fight. That is not biblical. But a lot of people, and again, this is where the church goes wrong, this is where heresy comes in. You buy an idea that is not God's idea and you think it's God's idea. And that's when I write in my book, Religionless Christianity, it's this religious idea. And you think it must be right. and it's utterly wrong. You're working with Satan.

The idea that we're not supposed to fight for God's values, for what is right and good and true, that idea has crept into the American church. It crept into the German church before Hitler. And people believe it until finally they wake up and they say, oh, we were totally wrong. We should have fought. Then it's too late. And that's why I'm talking to you.

I talk everywhere I go about is that Christians need to understand. And God has called you to fight for what is right and good and true. That at least means to vote. But it means to be getting involved in every way you can, fasting and praying for the election coming up. I'm telling people, go to my website, erikmetaxis.com slash pray. We want to get every church involved. Ericmataxis.com slash pray. We've got to fight.

Final thoughts. We've got 40 seconds. Yeah. Encouragement. And that is that when you look at this, a real thing. You know, here you have Israel that the enemy's been trying to destroy for 4,000 years, the pharaohs, Assyria, Babylon, Rome, Hitler, the terrorists. But you know what? Babylon is gone. Rome is gone. The pharaohs are gone.

Hitler's all gone, but the nation of Israel still lives. It should be in museums here in New York, but they're alive because the God of Israel is alive and the Messiah of Israel is alive. And if you're following him, you will win in the end, but you've got to fight. One of the things I say, you can't win if you don't fight. And so the last part is that we must fight the dragon. Well, the title of the book is The Dragon's Prophecy. People are going crazy for it. And I think after this interview you understand why.

Jonathan Kahn, just a privilege to talk with you. Thank you for this. Thank you, Eric. Always a blessing.