The Eric Metaxas Show - Jonathan Cahn (continued)

Episode Date: June 29, 2021

Jonathan Cahn continues sharing insights into the alignment of Old Testament events with people and places in recent history, plus makes an informed opinion about what might happen in the near future.

Texas show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm talking to Jonathan Kahn. It's the Eric Mtaxas show. Jonathan, you were just saying that there's a polarization going on in America. And I just want to ask you, as you look at these parallels, everybody wants to know, do you sense where this is going? Do you see a lot of people have said revival is coming to America? A lot of people have said Trump will be back.

Do you have any ideas on that or any inkling? Well, I pray for the latter. I want revival, and that's the only thing that's going to save America. We have to have revival. Without that, this nation is lost. I mean, it's gone. Without revival, there is no hope. I'm not talking about just religious and nice to have revival.

I'm not about life and death of this nation. You know, this nation is founded on God. It can't exist as such. So that's one thing. Now, whether do I think it's coming? I hope it is. what the signs that I see right now, we're in a flood. I mean, just, you were talking about June right now, or we're in this summer period.

And that is that it is, it is a flood of immorality. We've never seen it. I mean, just three years back, it wasn't that you don't see, for instance, the rainbow and all over. Oh, listen, listen, the Pride Month, it just kills me. What a preposterous, crazy thing that we are not just going to say, oh, oh, if you want to identify as, gay, you can get married, and yeah, okay. No, no, no, no, we're going to take a month,

a month to, quote, unquote, celebrate this thing that every serious Jew, every serious Muslim, every serious Christian says, excuse me, I cannot celebrate that. That is antithetical to everything I believe. But now in America, every, you know, boneless, spineless corporation is putting up the rainbow. The New York Mets on Twitter, their logo for the month of, this is the Mets, folks, is rainbow colors. And I just thought, this is lunacy. Listen, I have gay friends. I'm sure they must think this is lunacy. It's one thing to say, let me live my life, even though I don't agree with you or whatever. Okay, in America, we have a lot of that. And that's the strength of the country. But this is the opposite. This is people trying to enforce a certain worldview that is antithetical.

So really what it is is the government and corporations getting behind a different view of morality and religion. So it is a kind of establishment of religion that the founders talked about not wanting to happen. It is happening. It's secular. It's anti-Christian. And the idea that mothers don't get a month, they get a day. Fathers don't get a month. They get a day.

Veterans, people who've died, you get a day. Pride month is a month long. It is lunacy. And I think most Americans know that it's lunacy. That doesn't mean you're anti-gay. It means you have a brain in your head and you have a sense of perspective. And this is a level of overreach that is like brainwashing, propaganda. You're telling people, you better celebrate, quote, unquote, diversity.

I don't want to talk about what that really means because it's a family program. But it's not what you can celebrate as a Christian, Jew, or Muslim. No. No. And the rainbow, to be sure, the rainbow belongs not to man but to God. To take this symbol, which is a symbol from God, it's a sign from God, which has to do with his mercy in the face of judgment, and to do this. You know, and do this, and it is, I've never heard of anybody celebrating or a corporation

celebrating sexuality. I mean, but celebrating this, which it's basically an anti-Christian morality. So you had all these organizations saying, we are totally for an anti-Christian morality, which, I I mean, look how America changed. You know, and so it, so, and not only that, Eric, but I have, I have some, you know, some young kids, you know, they're getting it on everything. They're getting it on their games, you know, when they go on the way. They're getting the rainbow. They're getting, come on, you're not, you're not male or female.

It is being indoctrinated into the school system, as you know, into cartoons. I mean, just a few years ago, it wasn't happening. The Nazis were more subtle with their propaganda. They were more subtle. They had more of a sense of decorum. it is just amazing to me. Of course, I'm joking. But I mean, the fact is that just like in the early 30s,

like if you didn't say Heil Hitler or have the swastika, people looked at you funny. Like, what's the matter with you? You hate your country? Are you with those Bolshevik Jews that stabbed us in the back at World War II? Are you with the countries that impose the strictures of Versailles on us? You're an enemy, aren't you? Unless you say Heil Hitler, unless you fly the crooked cross.

I see churches. going down Park Avenue, St. Bart's Episcopal Church is a gigantic rainbow flag. Right out of here. Why? Like, what do you, like you've thrown Christianity in the garbage, but you still pretend to be a church because you've got some vague values of tolerance or something. Yeah, which shows you that if you're trying to be on the fence, so you're not trying,

you're going to end up totally in the darkness. Because the number of years ago, I mean, a number of decades, some of these churches were saying, okay, well, we still be, but maybe the word isn't quite the word. Well, look where it's taken them. My father, you mentioned something in Germany. My father would grew up in Germany as a Jew. And he had to, to go to the post office, he had to say Heil Hitler as a Jew. He had to do that. This is something, it's, you know, what some call soft totalitarianism, which is happening all over. And so when you ask that,

the thing is that it's now, it hasn't gotten lessen. I mean, even from three years ago, I mean, when there was something in a cartoon, one kiss, same sex, it was a big uproar. Look, two years ago, there was never Pride Month until this year. When I saw this, I just noticed it's just exploded like confetti and sparkles all over the internet. It's everywhere. It's at Starbucks. And you think, what, what is this? It's basically telling me as a, it might as well say, if you believe in the Bible, you're a bigot. Why doesn't it just come out and say that? Maybe in a couple of years it will. Yeah. And this is, you know, this is what happens. When you throw out God, you know, it started with taking God out of the school and this, this is what comes in. It's never going to stay neutral.

It's never going to stay. This is spiritual. There's something, as you said in the beginning, you said it's lunacy. It's not rational to do this. but it's spiritual. And so when you take out God, just like ancient Israel, you talk about the template, the harbinger, they took out God and what happened? The gods came in. The other principalities came in. That's where we are. And the thing is that because it hasn't decreased, so when I look at this and say, well, what does it look for America? It looks like, from everything I see, America is following this ancient template has not stopped. And so with except for revival, and that's why we have to pray for that. We have to live it. We've got to be radical. Except for that, there is no hope.

we're heading to judgment without revival. With God, there's always hope, but without God there's nothing. Well, that's, I mean, I've talked about this at infinite in the last few years, that there's no question that unless we radically return to the founder's vision of America with liberty and justice for all, which is unquestionably, inextricably intertwined with virtue and the faith, of our fathers, mostly biblical faith, there is no other path. There's no third way. And I think that that's never been as clear as it is right now. So listen, they're good people. They're hanging

back. They're not ready to believe this. They don't want to be radical. They don't want to be like those other people that embarrass them. Well, folks, you know, you're, you've got to make a decision. And I'm just here to tell you, you shouldn't be afraid to make the right decision. God is with you. you need to speak up, you need to speak against this if you're on a school board or, I mean, the idea that we're allowing our children to be affected by this. Oh my goodness. What he says, you know, woe to those, you know, you cause the children to stumble. And if you don't do anything, you're doing that. And this is something, you know, Eric, you've taken a lot of wisdom from what happened under the Nazis

because it's such a clear example and as well. People were afraid because if you stick your neck out to save a Jew or do something, you can endanger your entire family, but you've got to make the right choice. This is where it all counts. But isn't this the point? This is why I keep saying people say to me, how did this happen in Germany? How did it happen? Now, if you're foolish, you can come up with an easy answer.

Oh, yeah. The Germans are just uniquely evil. Okay, that's like saying the blacks are uniquely evil or the Jews are uniquely evil. That's called racism and that is antithetical to scripture. If all human beings are creating God's image, all human beings are equally fallen, then you have to say, okay, how did it happen? And then the answer is exactly like it's happening here. You think, if you read my Bonhofer book, you would have been one of the good guys.

You think when you read about the abolitionist movement, oh, I would have been against slavery. Folks, if that's true, in most cases it's not. But if it's true in your case, you will speak up now and you'll count the cost. If you don't do it, be honest and say, I would have been one of the pro-Hitler people. I would have been one of the pro-slavery people. be honest and admit it because you are pro-slavery and you are pro-Nazi if you do not speak up now. This is, it couldn't be clearer. In some ways, I'm glad that it's clear, but whether I'm glad or not, it is what it is.

I'm talking to Jonathan Kahn. We'll be right back. Love is a burning thing and it makes a fiery rain. Hey, sports fans, welcome back. I'm talking to Jonathan Kahn, the Rebbe, the rabbi, Jonathan Kahn. Jonathan, your church, I want to be clear, is in New Jersey, not far from where we are here in New York. So if people are near you, how can they find your church? Yeah, it's called, it's Northern New Jersey right across the river.

It's in Wayne, New Jersey. It's called, it's Beth Israel or at the Jerusalem Center. It kind of looks like Jerusalem if you come in. And it's Jew and Gentile, people of every background. And, you know, I'm sure it's Friday nights at 8 p.m. And it's Sunday mornings at 10 and 1130. We just had more zones. Do you keep Sabbath?

Well, we have the service on Friday night, which is the beginning of the Sabbath. Got it. You know, I'm not, you know, as a believer, I'm totally Jewish, obviously, as you can tell, but I'm not under the law. So we're free to do things. We will celebrate, we'll celebrate like, you know, Passover and the feast of trumpets and all those things. And I'll always share with the Jewish roots of those things because there's something in them. Just like we're talking about these things, there's something about, it's about the Lord. It's rich.

It's our roots. Whether you're Jewish by birth or not, the Bible says you're Jewish by adoption. So it's your roots, too. So it's really united nations of people, Jew and Gentile. I love it. Okay. Jew and Greek, by the way. Yes.

Speaking of. They say neither Jew nor Greek, but, you know. So we are, we're living through strange times. I could not have imagined really. I mean, maybe I could have imagined it, but I still am astonished, that we're living in times of this kind of division. In many cases, brother against brother. I mean, we're really seeing people being spiritually blinded. did and giving themselves over to all of this Marxist craziness, critical race theory, social justice,

and they think they're doing good. In other words, these aren't all people intentionally doing bad things. They think they're doing good, but I keep saying that when you do these things, folks, if you really did care about minorities or you care about marginalized people, you would never side with BLM or social justice, but you've been confused into thinking that these are good things and it's part of this division. You talked about bail. When we talk about the Jezebel or a Jezebelic spirit, it seems to me that the transgender stuff is deeply Jezebelic. Am I wrong? Yeah, that's a whole other thing. But yes. Yeah, well, when you look at the, when you look, now, let's go to the

template of the last days of Israel. One of the things that happened in those last days was not only that they were offering up their children, as we have, 60 million of them, but they also want a key component was sexual immorality, key component of the worship of pagan gods. They had sexual immorality as part of their worship, either the priests and the priestesses, part of their worship, and they had the confusion of gender as part of their worship. Look at what Paul writes, you know, when Paul writes in Romans, he said, you know, he speaks about the whole fall of man and the pagan world by turn, and you can look at America in a kind of microcosm of it, that here we knew, they knew God, okay, turned away from God. We've seen that. Okay.

Then it says they gave themselves to idols. Okay, we have many of that. We won't admit it. But then it says they gave themselves to sexual immorality. And then it talks about the confusion of gender. You know, so this is totally, but totally pagan. You know, what happens when you turn away, when you've been to quote Christian nation, but you turn away from Christianity, you're going to turn back in some form of paganism.

And we're watching that now. And let's just cut to the chase. paganism ultimately is diabolical. There's no such thing as some neutral paganism. If you worship those gods, whether actively or passively, you're giving yourself over to demonic spirits. There's no, you know, when we talked earlier about the god Brahma, the foreheaded God, that's not an alternative God. It's either a demon or it's nothing. Let's keep our accounts straight here. That's exactly what Paul says. That's exactly what the Bible says. Yeah, it's a spiritual thing. That's why a lot of things that don't seem to make sense to us trying to be rational. How could they do this? How could people just give

themselves to that? That's kind of crazy. How could they do that? I mean, to this day, listen, when I was an atheist, when I didn't know the Lord and I first heard about abortion, okay? I said, wow, I was liberal. I was liberal. I said, wow, all the liberals are going to be up in arms against this because we're for the underdog. We're for not, you know, I couldn't believe. I said, how can anybody be for it? I mean, number one, number two, then to be for all this, which just a few years ago, almost the majority of Americans were saying, this is wrong. You know, you know, you'll focus it, you know, the whole LGBT thing. That's not, that's not moral. How did they switch these people who, the very people who in Congress voted for the defense of marriage, then voted to strike it down and

celebrated? How does that happen? Well, here's how it happened. They have no principles. They have no values. They have no core. They are double-minded, blowing with the wind. And Americans elected them. So forget about how evil they are. Who elected them? Folks, did you pull the lover for some of these people? We need to have a reckoning in America because these people that we thought might be okay. They are not even slightly okay. They're doing the bidding of very dark forces.

You know, something, it says, if you don't have principles, you will be subject to principalities. And the other thing is, Eric, this is when you look at, you know, when I wrote the harbinger about the signs, These are the signs of the darkening of a nation that had known God and the signs of judgment. But it's not only those signs or those harbingers that appeared in Israel that are appearing now, but it's also the nation itself. Because what happened after the warning came, after the first warnings came, this is the harbinger. But what happened is the nation itself turned away from God. They hardened themselves.

Instead of coming back, they became worse. And we are watching. It's not just the signs of the harbingers. The Harbinger itself is America itself. We are following the last days of Israel. We are following, they got worse. They started persecuting the prophets. Why would we believe that there's hope for us?

And there's this paradigm breakdown at some point because I have heard people, prophetic voices, say that they really do think our best days are ahead, that this darkness that we're going through is an opportunity for people to turn back to God and to turn back to the founder's vision, which you can't have without God. and that there is hope for America so that this dark season is a precursor to that. Yeah, I'm hoping for that. And at the end of every book, it's always about hope. I mean, and including the Harbinger, too.

It's about how actually America, its course, has been turned around through revival and through prayer. And some as recent as our lifetime with Reagan, there was a spiritual thing behind this whole thing. So, yeah, I believe, with God, he's never finished. I believe that. but I also have to be realistic too. Without that happening, it's got to be major. It's going to be a major thing. We are not heading in a good.

Oh, no, no, no. There's no question. Without real revival, real revival folks. I mean, listen, I became a Christian in a dream in this, 33 years ago, like right this week, practically. And it was miraculous. And I have had actual miracles happen in my life. I've written about some of them in my miracles book. and I'll write about them in the future.

But I want to say that God is real. He can do miraculous things. That's what he does. He doesn't do it every day. But I think unless we have that kind of an outpouring of the Holy Spirit where people are experiencing miracles and changing as dramatically as I changed, there is no way back apart from that. I mean, that is very clear to me.

Yeah. And remember, Erica, after 9-11, you know, which is key in all this, everybody was rushing to churches. You know, now one hand, it looked like there was going to be revival. I mean, in fact, you could talk about the Lord. It was amazing what 9-11 did that was stronger than what so many believers did. There was an openness. But after about three weeks, it was over.

There was no revival because there was no repentance. Without repentance, there's no revival. That is the foundation of revival. Not only just with the world, but with God's people, if my people will turn from their evil ways. So repentance brings revival. But if you don't change your course, you're not going to change the outcome. Well, that's what's so interesting because all of the prophetic voices that have said Trump will have a second term.

They have said it emphatically, which would mean that we're going to have revival, according to the, you know, a number of people. Otherwise, I just don't know how to read it. Well, I think, I mean, the ultimate thing is, and don't get this wrong either, but I'm sure you ultimately, is that with or without Trump, you know, revival is a little bit. the answer. We had one, let me say, one of the things, and listen, I'm for, I want this government to change that way. But, but when you, one of the warnings in the paradigm at the end is that it speaks about that Jayhu, okay, what God did is he gave the nation a window of time. Okay. And because, and Jayhu wasn't the answer, but he was used of God. Oh yeah. No, no, Trump's not the answer, folks. But he was used, Jay was used of God. And so it provided this window for revival. You know,

it gave, it gave, it gave God's people a platform and all. But the problem was, With that time, they didn't have revival. Okay, so they didn't. So therefore, what happened is after Jayhu, things went down, ultimately leads to the harbinger. It's the same Northern Kingdom. So the thing is that it's, it's, a politician, politics can open up the window.

It can help us have a window. Right. But the window is in the answer. The window is to allow for the answer, which is in our hands with God, is revival. We need it no matter what. Well, that's the question. I mean, when you look at the 70s and the 80s,

we went through really hard time. And in a way, there was, There was revival. There was the Jesus movement that led to a lot of things, which I think led to the election of Reagan. And so when you have something in the spirit realm, it's mirrored in the political realm. A lot of good things can be done in the natural. That's right. But it has to start with God. And so that's the question. I'm just fascinated by what's going on. Does Jahanadab ever become the head of Israel? You're asking me that. Maybe you don't remember. No, he does. No, he was a spiritual figure and not a political figure. Though he was allied with Jayhu. Though he allied politically with Jayhu.

So yeah. So, yeah. All right, folks, more when we come back. Hey there, kids. I got to tell you, it's fun to talk to my friend, Jonathan Kahn. Jonathan, your books, Harbinger, Paradigar, Paradigar 2, and so on and so forth. You talk about parallels. Anything just since we've been talking about this stuff, anything you want to talk about that relates to current events?

Let me throw one thing in because we touched on something. And one thing I'm blessed about you, Eric, is you don't care, you don't compromise, you know, which many do, you know, many ways. We touched on certain issues. You're talking about Elbin? What was it? You're talking about Elbin? The compromiser? He's a work in progress.

Pray for Elbin. No, we have to joke. I know what you're saying, and I appreciate you're putting it that way. So with that, with that, we spoke about a. the subject of LGBT. There was a day on the Hebrew calendar that was a day when the day when the Babylonians broke through the defensive walls of Jerusalem. And once they did, it's in the Bible, it's in Jeremiah. Once they did, it was finished. Is this 587 BC? Or 586, depending on which, yeah, which thing, yes. Okay. So that's roughly what we're talking about. Yes. And so in that time,

they broke through the defensive walls. And it wasn't the end yet. It was, but it meant that, once they did, it was basically over. The king fled at that day. Which king? That would be Jehoiacim most likely at that time. Yeah. And others, there were bad kings at that time. But they fled. You know, this is, by the way,

this is not the North Kingdom of the paradigm in the hard journey. This is the south. This is Judah. So the thing is we had Jeremiah and let, but that was the day, it became a day of mourning in Jewish world. It's called the Ninth of Tammuz. The day that the defense of walls of the nation are broken and now,

it's open for real destruction. Okay. So the day has been celebrated, or I don't celebrate, commemorated for ages, okay? Day of morning, night of Tammuz, the hedge is removed. Tammuz being a month. Yes, which is named after a pagan god. Yes, it's a month. It's the Hebrew month of Tammuz. Why is a Hebrew month named after a pagan god? That's a new one. The same way, the same way why our days Wednesday and Tuesday are all after German gods. Sure. In January, it's Janus and I mean, but it's just interesting that even the nation of Israel would have that. Because it was the same language, it was known as that month. So many of the Hebrew months are Babylonian months. Okay. Okay. So, ninth of town moves. All right. So now, now we have, a number of years ago was a major event that really has altered things, has opened the door for things. And that was the Supreme Court. In America's fault, this is, of course, after the Harbinger, America's falling away from God has accelerated. And when the Supreme Court, when we struck down the biblical definition of marriage and the historic definition of marriage.

You're telling me I shouldn't celebrate that. But the White House was lit up in rainbow colors. It was so sweet. Please continue. Yes. So the, with this, so this happened on June 26th, 2015. But on the biblical calendar, it was the ninth of Tammuz, the day that the hedge is removed, the day that the wall is broken, the day that the nation becomes open to judgment. Yes, and that was a unique moment in American history because we've been messed up as a nation in many ways, but we have never officially, officially.

done anything quite like that. Why like that. Yeah. And that has, listen, that has led to where we are now. That has led to the laws changing in schools. So for you, that was the ninth of town moves in America. Well, not just for me. It was, yeah, it was the ninth of town moves.

Yeah. I mean, it was the date. That was the day. They did it on that day. Oh, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Have you thought about writing about this stuff? Yeah, I kind of did.

Come on. Which book is that is? It's just the Harbinger 2. Okay. So in the Harbinger 2, Electric Bugaloo, you say that the day the Supreme Court did that, June 26, 2015, was in fact also the 9th of 10 moves. That is freaky. I missed that. That is freaky.

Whoa. The day that it's, there's morning, the day that the hedge of the nation is removed. And that is what leads to judgment of that nation. That's the day it happened. Nice. All right. So, yeah. Now let me get another thing with kind of the bigger picture, you know, and that is that America and we all have this. America was founded after God is unique, unique. I mean, because nations have God or have worship God. But America from the conception of the Puritans, I mean, it was founded. And I only know two nations in the world. One is Israel, the other's America. Look, this is a fact. Yeah. You don't have to like it, but it's a fact. You could hate it. You could hate America. You could hate Israel. do whatever you want, but you cannot deny that this is true. Yeah. That this nation was uniquely and explicitly founded on the God of the Bible and with his blessing.

In other words, they never would have just said, oh, these are some biblical principles. No, this was an explicit covenant with the God of the scripture. Yeah. And I mean, it's unique. And really, when you look at America's uniqueness and greatness, it all comes back to that. even when it became more secular, it was still trying to be a light to the world based on that original thing. So the first ones were the Puritans, and key in that was John Winthrop. John Winthrop, you know, if George Washington's been called the father of the nation, he's been called the grandfather.

He came over in 1630 at leading the Puritan Exodus there, and he was considered like the Moses of this movement. And while on the ship, the Arbella, he pens, I don't know, he pens the document called a model of Christian charity, which is the first time he says, and this is the longest symbol of America ever, I mean, you know, from the beginning, he said, we shall be as a city on a hill, not from Jesus, city on a hill, the eyes of the world, you know, looking about us, and, but what people know that, it's in other words, if we follow God, he goes on to say, the blessings of Israel will be upon us. We will be, we will put our enemies to flight. We will be prosperous. We will be, America became the most prosperous, powerful nation. He says,

He said it. He prophesied it. It was all there. And America was, here's another thing, Eric, America was founded, not only to God, it was founded after the pattern of Israel. It was to be that. So it's amazing that we've also followed the fall of Israel and now we're seeing the signs of Israel. So, but what people don't say, what they miss is right after he said that, he gave a warning. He said, but if we turn away from our God, if we follow other gods, if we turn away, then basically he said the judgments that came on Israel, he's taking it from Deuteronomy 28 and 30 from Moses will come upon America. We'll be right back. Hey there, folks. Talking to Jonathan Con, Jonathan, let's just continue because you are giving us a very dramatic encapsulation, recap, really, of the first moments of America, as we know it. Jonathan Winthrop, governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, making a very explicit link with what was going to happen. And we have to tell people it didn't need to go this way.

What happened in 1620, the pilgrims are blown off course, whatever they happen to settle up there. They happen to open the door for Winthrop and the other Puritans to come. I mean, it really is kind of an amazing thing. And that established the pattern for America. You can't really look to Virginia and Jamestown as the pattern. The pattern was established there. And it was reiterated a number of times, including by Lincoln. Lincoln made it very explicit that those are our forebears.

And by the way, folks, you can read all about this in my book if you can keep it because I discovered this only a few years ago and I was amazed. I said, we have to know this history. But please continue. Yeah. So Winthrop, so embedded at the very foundation of America is this not only prophetic promise, but a prophetic warning. Okay.

And by the way, that's a pattern in the Bible as well. When something is beginning, he gives a prophetic warning or promise from Jacob, blessing his sons, from Moses saying, okay, Israel, here's the, thing. And John Winthrop's actually quoting from Moses at the beginning when they're about to enter the promised land. So he says it the same way. So he says, but if we turn away, then these judges will come. Now, one of the things is, and now I wasn't looking at Winthrop when I saw the Harbinger thing, you know, but that's what it is. It's saying that these are judgments of Israel pattern that are happening now. But the thing is that, and one of the key things, as you know in the

harbinger was at the beginning of the template is that there is a strike on the land. That is a classical years before judgment, strike, enemy strike, temporary, it happened. Years before judgment. So you say 9-11 was that strike? Yes, and that is what, and with that is when, that's when you see the same exact patterns. I mean, the specific eerieness of the harbinger that people say, whoa, because it's there. It's following this exact pattern. Now, the thing is that Winthrop, as you said, he was the governor of Master of State.

when he talked about a city on a hill, he actually had in his mind a city, which was Boston. That's where he founded Boston. And that originally was his city, you know. And so, and but only that, he had a, he had an island right off of Boston that was called Governor's Island because of him. It was Winthrop's Island. He used to sit there. He'd pray for this. He'd pray for the new civilization.

He'd pray. Do we know what that's called today? Yeah, I'll tell you. Yeah, I'll tell you. It's not Thompson Island. No, no, no. But what happened to that island is it be, in the 20th century, it became. Logan Airport, the place where 9-11 began.

All right, this is just a little too neat for me. Albin, I think he's making it up. Seriously, really? Yeah. Logan Airport is now on the island where Winthrop would go to pray in 1630s. It was Winthrop. In fact, the town next to the airport is called Winthrop. It was his island.

So here he gave the warning. He gave the call America. The planes took off. They took off from the place of the man. who gave the warning that the very beginning that if you turn away from God, these things are going to happen. He's quoting, here's another, he's quoting from Moses in Deuteronomy 28. And by the way, that week of 9-11 was ushered in in New York and all around where there

were Jewish people where the appointed scripture, they opened up the scrolls and they are reciting Deuteronomy 28, what will happen if you turn away from God. An enemy will come from a faraway land. He'll come like an eagle swooping down upon your land. I mean, and on and on and on. It all happened that week and from that place. And one other thing, you mentioned that it's been repeated, Lincoln. Well, also Washington, on the very day that America began as a constituted nation in the capital, Washington has sworn in, and he gives a prophetic warning. He says, the smiles of heaven can never remain, or I'm paraphrasing, on a nation that turns against

the eternal rules of order that heaven has ordained. The blessings of God will go. Well, well, we're Where did he say that? Well, he was sworn in. It wasn't Washington, D.C., of course. It wasn't Philadelphia. The capital was America. Sorry, the capital of America was New York City. And what happened is right after he gave that warning, he led the first government to a place to dedicate America to God. So they actually prayed the first government of America. This is after his inauguration. It was the end of it. Yeah, it was the second. Right. Second part of his inauguration. It's actually in the capital record saying this is the second part. We're going to pray. and dedicate America's future to God. Now, there is a pattern in the Bible that says that

where the dedication ground, which in America's case, I'm sorry, Israel was the Temple Mount. That was Solomon. They dedicated everything to God. And when the judgment came, it came back to the ground or the destruction comes back to that ground. Well, so where was America's dedication ground? Well, we said it was in New York. It was Southern New York, South New York, where we are right now. America was dedicated to God at ground zero. Ground zero is the place where Washington walked. The chapel was right. What we're talking about Trinity or St. Paul's?

St. Paul's. Okay. St. Paul's. Its land was ground zero. And right behind St. Paul's is ground zero. And the ancient pattern is destruction returns to the ground. And so God actually, we're actually turned back to the ground of that dedication. So it went from Winthrop's Island, dedicated there with a warning, the planes went to Washington's to the other ground.

God was, it's a message of God saying, return nation, return. It almost makes me think that, you know, a plane is going to crash into Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, because when I think of the Gettysburg Address, it's a kind of reiteration of what we're talking about. Lincoln was very much, I mean, you know, Lincoln, I mean, as you know, I'm sure, you know, he came to a very deep sense of God. and when in the middle of the Civil War, he called for the National Day of Prayer and repentance. And in the Harbinger, too, when we get to hope, you know, I get to hope at the end. But one of the things is that if you look at the turning point of that war, you see two months after that day of prayer that Lincoln called for, repentance and prayer, you have Gettysburg, and the next day you have Vicksburg, which are the two turning points of the war. But when you go even, I looked even to go deeper, and the turning point that led to Gettysburg and the turning point that led to Vicksburg, the first victory of

Grant happened the day after the day of prayer. So here's a Nash, here is Lincoln. Literally the course of America was changed by prayer. We may not have America, we might not have had America as we know it if it was not for the prayers of God's people, if my people. We're going to go to another break. We'll be right back, final short segment with Jonathan Kahn. Folks, I don't need to encourage you to get these books you'd be pretty crazy not to. I think we'll be right back. You have heard me talking about Nutrametics, the professional supplement brand, by doctors since 1993, and which donates a minimum of 50% of their profits to global charities and missions. Now look, I want to support a company like that, and I want to take care of my

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And also really, I was led before this 2020 crazy year happened in the plague and all that. I was led that this was going to be a year of shaking. And, and we're, going to be in a big, a whole kind of paradigm shift for believers right now. We're in it. How do we prevail? So regardless of what, first of all, regardless what happens to America, if you're right with God, you have hope. And if you're not right with God, you got to get in, you got to get, you got to become born again. You got to get into God because that is the only hope. And with him, there's hope no matter what's going on. You got to be born again, folks. Yes. I don't want to hear about how you go to some Lutheran church or you believe in God.

Good for you. But you have to invite Jesus to be the Lord of your life, ask him to take over your life. Now, if you don't trust him to do that, you're not going to do it. But you should trust him because he loves you more than love yourself. That's kind of the key. If you do that, no matter what happens, you're in good shape. Yeah. If you're looking at the days of judgment, then you want to be safe. You want to be safe. Well, the word in Hebrew for safety is Yeshua. That's safety also salvation. So you want to be safe. Yeshua is the name of Jesus. So there's only one safety get in Jesus. So that's the most important thing here. Well, I'll tell you one thing where, well, let's think where I put at the end, near the end of Harbinger 2, and that is of hope,

how God actually changed the course of America in recent times. I'll do it real, real quick. We were, we were sinking. I mean, it was America economically, politically, the 70s. The 70s. You got. Malays. Everything. And then you had Carter, and then we had 52 Americans, hostages in Iran. Death to America, they were chanting, and they sent in a rescue mission. It fell apart. And there was a gloat. And there was a gloat. on America. They said, is this going to be the end of the American age? Well, believers called for a gathering in Washington called Washington for Jesus. And there was one thing about it, based on one scripture, if my people, if my people called by my name. Again, I know it because

I was a new believer. That was what forced me to tell my parents, I was a believer, my Jewish parents who were then in a days. But I went to Washington as a new believer. And they prayed, repented, prayed. And I remember two prominent prayers. One was they prayed, Lord, where we are helpless to get those hostages. You buy your own hand. You do it. Number one. Number two, at the end, we all lifted our hands to the Capitol building, to the Western terrorists. Okay. And it said, Lord, put into power who you want. Put into the government whom you want. Okay. A number of months later, there's a revolution at the polls. And people who are saying we are four biblical values got swept in. Prominently was Ronald Reagan. That year after over a, I think a century and a half,

they switched the inauguration from the East Terrace to the Western Terrence. So now Reagan is facing the place where we are praying. He's standing on the terrorists where we were pointing our hands to and praying God put who you want. In that same hour, the hostages are released in that hour. So two things at once. And we saw a real change in America. They called it morning in America. Revived, politically, economically, militarily. Well, it began when Reagan had his hand up and he placed his other hand on the Bible. Well, the world saw this, but what was the hand, his hand was on the Bible, was on a verse that his mother had highlighted on that Bible. And what was the verse, he put it on, if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their evil ways,

I'll hear from heaven, I'll forgive their sin, and I will heal their land. This is a cheesy Nicholas Cage movie, except it's real. This is real. God is never finished. Honestly, I know you. You're not making up a syllable. People should at least be astonished. They should at least be say, whoa, I wonder if it's possible that God,

is the God of history. I wonder if it's possible that this is a... I mean, listen, folks, either this is all true or life is meaningless and you die like a bug and it's over. I hope you don't believe that because, first of all, it's not true. But we're all created for so much more. And to participate in God's plan in history to be part of what he is doing, it's why we're all on the planet. So there are a lot of folks listening. Maybe they're not 100% sure where they stand. Folks, look, time is short. Open your heart to the God of the Bible. Just call him Jesus. Say, you know what? I don't have all the answers, but if you're real, come into my life, help me to be your servant. And folks, it'll be the greatest decision you ever made by an infinite long shot. We'll have to

stop there. My friend, Jonathan Khan, just a privilege and a joy to be with you. Thanks for being here. Thank you.