The Eric Metaxas Show - Jonathan Cahn (Encore)

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

 "The Dragon's Prophecy: Israel, the Dark Resurrection, and the End of Days."

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Eric Pataxon. Hey, folks. Today, oh, my gosh. Today, we're going to play my conversation with the great Jonathan Khan. I was just with him a few weeks ago, two weeks ago. at his church in New Jersey. His most recent book is called The Dragons Prophecy, Israel, the Dark Resurrection and the End of Days.

There is nobody like Jonathan Kahn. So we're going to play that conversation. That's in hour one. So in a couple of minutes. In hour two, we're going to play my conversation with John Rankin. So this is today in hour two. Now, John Rankin, he was one of my dearest friends. He died ridiculously prematurely.

It was one of those things. I don't know if you have things in life that challenge your faith. I guess we all do eventually, where you just go, Lord, wow, wow, wow. I don't get it. I don't get it. John Rankin was a brilliant, brilliant scholar, writer, He really was one of the finest people I have ever known, a man of profound Christian faith. I met him in the early 90s.

I think it was, it might have been as early as 1991. And I heard him speak at St. Paul's Dary End. Keith Junta, I don't know if you remember this. Totally remember. Yeah. And I heard him speak and I thought, who is this guy? whatever this dude is selling, I'm buying it. I've never heard anybody like this. His faith is remarkable. His brain is remarkable. And he would do these things called Mars Hill

forums. You can find him online. But over the years, I had him on the program many times. So in Hour 2 today, we're going to play a conversation that I had with him, his experiences of what we can call divine epiphanies and demonic encounters. He wrote a book called Meeting Satan Face to Face and other true stories, equipping us to fight the war in the heavenlies. He was a very, very brilliant man, but very spiritually mature. He understood spiritual warfare, and he had some really extraordinary experiences. So I thought the conversations that I had with him over the years,

they're too good to let them go. So now and again, I'm going to kind of fold them in as encore presentations. So today in hour two, we're going to play that encore presentation with my friend, John Rankin. He was 70 years old when he died. And I got to tell you, if there was anybody that I thought would have to be. to live into his 90s for sure. He had so much to give. He was so amazing.

That was John Rankin. And so I just, I don't know, Eric, I say this very carefully, but I have noticed that these great, brilliant Christian leaders who expose spiritual warfare, they often are seemingly taken out a bit early. I could list off a few.

It's like it's intriguing that they truly are waging a battle that we, you know, dare not even consider. Yeah. I mean, you don't want to make a doctrine, but it's like the key trend sometimes. And listen, the good news is the good news, right, that if you walk with Jesus, you have eternal life inside you, absolutely, genuinely, not sort of. And so when you die, you don't die. So we're not supposed to fear death. But of course, on this side of the veil, we have questions. We don't understand, oh, Lord, why'd you take him?

Why'd you allow him to be taken? We don't get it. But John Rankin is such a treasure, and I'm really so glad we are finally going to re-air some of my conversations with him. They are very special. He changed the life of a number of friends of mine, good friends. And so I just, if you don't know him and most of you listening, probably don't, he was an amazingly special. special man. So that's our two today. And hour one, we have Jonathan Kahn. I don't want to forget, as most of you know, for 25 years, I have been doing a thing called Socrates in the city,

where I have had some of the most glorious conversations ever with some of the most extraordinary guests ever. We normally do them, you know, in big venues and Manhattan. We're doing them all around the country with, you know, 200 people and it's a big thing. But we've also started doing Socrates in the studio events, which means we can do even more of them. I did a whole bunch in England. You know, it's kind of like a more of a PBS vibe, right? But it's something that I feel very strongly about. The guests that we, you know, we choose our guests very carefully. These are some brilliant people. They're not all on the same page as I am, Theologna. or politically, but who cares, right? That doesn't, that's not the point. The point is to explore

the big questions, because I have this kind of crazy idea that if you're actually looking for truth, you're going to be moving toward the God who is truth. And I have felt this for most of my adult life, and that's why we do Socrates in the city. So let me say that today, you're listening to a Socrates in the city conversation that I had. Socrates in the city, we have a YouTube channel. I ask you please to go there to subscribe to the Socrates and the city YouTube channel, like the videos. If you do that, YouTube promotes it way, way more. And we're trying to get these conversations way out there for all kinds of people who are seeking, who are curious, who have questions. It's just something that I feel very, very.

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Go to Socratesandcity.com and you'll see it. But one of the things, which I think is the coolest, is whenever we do an event, you can live stream it. So it doesn't matter where you are. You know, if you can't get to California or in New York or wherever we're doing our event, you can live stream it. And the live stream is always, it has a little bit of a raw quality because it's before we edit it. So whatever dumb stuff I say that gets edited out by the brilliant young people who do this, I would like you to hear it anyway. So Socrates plus you get the live events.

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That's Mypillar.com promo code Eric, or call 800-858-0-263. promo code Eric. I can hardly be more excited than I am right now to have in the studio, my friend Jonathan Kahn, with a new book called Dragons Prophecy. Jonathan, welcome back. Thank you. Always great to be here. Listen, nobody writes more books than I do, except you.

But I think that's because my books, you know, I can't write them quite as quickly because they're just loaded with information. Whereas your stuff, it's pretty fluffy stuff. Oh, yeah. There's really nothing in it. Folks, if you've read these books, it's just, you know, it's just opinions, except I'm kidding. Feel good. Here's the problem. Your books are so full of information that I don't even know where to start.

I mean, I'm just, my notes here say that this book talks about unseen forces, the determining the events. of our times and you uncover mysteries like the return of the sea peoples, the dark resurrection, the black Sabbath, the prince of Persia. It's tantalizing stuff. Where do we start? Why do you think,

where do you get the idea? This is my first question. Where do you get the idea to write this book? What was the initial thing that said, I'm on to something again? Yeah, well, this was different because I was actually planning to write another book, which was the sequel to the return of the gods.

And I know I'm going to write that, but I was interrupted. And one thing I was interrupted by is what happened in Israel. And then the Lord really interrupted. I'm praying, Lord, do you want me to write a different book? And actually my car driving my kids to school. And in my mind's eye, I see the image of a red dragon. I said, okay, this is it from Revelation.

And that's what held it together. One of the things that happened was one of the mysteries here is that I was actually sharing at the congregation in I lead in Beth Israel, which is here across the river in New Jersey. There was a Friday night, and I'm going to share about a mystery, this mystery from the Bible and ordained, not that I knew it, ordained that there would be an attack on Israel. It would happen in the year 2023, and I'll share why. It will happen in October. Would happen on a Sabbath day, a Saturday, would happen on a Hebrew Holy Day, would happen on the first Saturday of October,

23 would lead to war, take Israel by surprise, and the next morning it happened. after I share this mystery. This is one of the mysteries of the book. There are many, but that God is in charge, and it may even be, it may even enable us to know a number of events to come and when. After I finished the manuscript, other events started happening according to it. So this is kind of what I didn't plan on this book. I was kind of shaken to do this, and then the Lord just took it.

Okay, so, you know, this is heavy stuff, and I think we have to be clear to frame things for people. God speaks prophetically through people. He does this for us, to bless us, to help us to see what is happening. And he seems to have chosen you for that, because he continually gives you the ability to see stuff that others haven't seen. And then you see it, you write about it so we can all see it. So in this case, when you say that you spoke about what happened right before Hamas attacked, October 7th, in 2020-23. What was it that you saw in the scripture that you see this looks like a pattern?

Yeah, this is one of the things, and we may have spoken about it before. This is something I've written about called, I call it the Jubilee and Mysteries. And that is that starting with the Jubilee, Jubilee every 50th year. And the 50th year, whatever you lost, you get back. And so the first thing about this mystery is that when God restored Israel, it happened according to the pattern of the Jubilee. The first, I'll just give a quick nutshell of that. The first thing was 1867, the land is actually released by the Sultan

that the Jewish people can actually start redeeming the land. There's much more habit. But if you count 50 years, it takes you to 1917. Next Jubilee. 1917, the British come in, the Turks leave. Valfour. Vow for declaration, gives the land to Israel. Everyone shall return to their land.

Second one. But they didn't have Jerusalem. Count 50 years. it takes you to 1967, the Six-Day War. And in the Six-Day War, after 2,000 years, the Israeli soldiers enter the gates of Jerusalem. This is key for Messiah Jesus coming back. So that's the next day.

But they never had the recognition. In the Jubilee, you get the legal right and the recognition. The world refused that for years. But if you count 50 years, the next Jubilee, it takes into 2017. Did anything happen? 2017 is the year that America, under Donald Trump, issued the Jerusalem Declaration, first time since ancient times, recognizing legally Jerusalem. So there's so much, all these things happen, but one of the things that, why I'm going to get to, like, October 7th, and you see, it's called the Dragon's Prophecy.

This is a dragon cover. I haven't done something with this kind of cover. The Dragon is the enemy, and that is spoken of in Revelation. The enemy takes the things of God and twist them. so inverts them. And so if you look, there was actually a calamity that happened to Israel in modern times, and it was called the Yom Kippur War. And that calamity because it almost destroyed Israel.

The natural, they thought it was the end. Golda Mair almost committed suicide. They thought they were finished. They were caught by surprise, ground invasion, turned it around, but it shook Israel to this day. And this was 73. This is 73. So Nixon was president. That's right.

And he was very helpful to Israel, dramatically so. He was. He was. And yeah, this is the time. of Nixon, Kissinger, and that whole thing. And if you count, so if the enemy's taking, playing on what God does, but reversing it, takes a calamity, go to the 50th year. It takes you to 2023.

The Yom Kripper War happened in October. So this is going to happen in October. The Yom Kipp War happened on a Saturday. Happens on a Saturday, Sabbath. Yom Kippa War happened on a holy day from Leviticus. So did this one on October 7. And the Yom Kripper War took place on the first Saturday of October of 73. points to the first Saturday of October, 2023, is October 7th.

It happens exactly. When did you make this connection? You said you spoke about it before it happened. I spoke about on that Friday night before I was led, and again, I'm not saying I know these things, Eric, but God, please. You spoke on October 6th, 2020. On the night of October 6th, which was the 50th, which is the exact, the Western anniversary of the attack on Young Group War. Right. And I spoke about the 50-year mystery of God.

and how all these things correspond 50 years and 50 years in this whole thing, which is in many ways, even links to COVID, but won't get into that. But the thing is that, and then the next morning it happened. Everybody said, you just spoke about it. And that's where I said, okay, Lord, are you wanting me to go further with this? And that began the Dragon's prophecy. Wow. Okay.

So what happens next? Let me ask you real quick. I've never understood, you know, we believe in Jesus and we believe in the New Testament. and it talks about Satan. Yeah. What is the Jewish understanding of the devil? Because they don't have, it's not as clear as it is in the New Testament. Yeah, well, everything is clear.

It kind of comes to its full clarity in the New Testament, which is in the Old Testament. You know, and so, yeah, Satan is in the Old Testament. The word Satan is Hebrew. I mean, Satan, the opponent. And that translates to Greek, becomes diabolous. We get the word devil. the opposer. You found him in Job. You find him in Zechariah. He accuses Israel. He deals with David at one point. So you have this actually continuing. The enemy is, you know,

it is understood the way it's understood in the New Testament, except that this is an angelic being that was inverted, inverted against God, opposes all the purposes of God. And the thing is that so, so Eric, let's say we were from another planet and we just came on it. We didn't know anything about that. And we knew that God also brought a people Israel to accomplish his purposes in earth, the Bible, Messiah, the kingdom. What would happen? There would be a war between this entity and the Jewish people. Now, we would expect, if we knew nothing else, the Jewish people would become the most hated people, accused people, persecuted people, ravage people. And we'd see this war through, and this war would never end because the enemy

doesn't die. The first anti-Semite is an angel. And when you look in Revelation 12, that shows, you have the dragon set with the enemy, attacking this woman with 12 stars and who gives birth to Messiah, that's Israel. And so this is exactly what just happened. On October 7th, people were shocked. This is part of an ancient war

that was long before we were born, and it's going to continue up to Messiah. But this is really, you see, one of the things is that, I think you probably heard the story. I don't know if it's been verified, but that a king asked his minister, give me one proof of God, and the guy says, one with the Jew.

Yeah. Well, but the Jewish. existence proves God, but it also proves the enemy because no people. I mean, why is it the most evil people in the world? You know, Hitler, you know, most of you are obsessed with the Jewish people. I mean, because the enemy is, you know, and it never makes sense. You know, the communists accused the Jews of being capitalists, the capitalists of communist. It doesn't matter. It just resurrects because this is a real spiritual warfare. You say something in the book about the sea peoples. Now, I'm familiar with the Mycenaean era. I'm writing a book on Homer and the Mycenae.

Mycenaean people. So we're talking, you know, 1,600 BC to about 1,100 BC. And a lot of people have speculated that the Mycenaian era was really wiped out by the C people. It's always very confusing. So what do you mean when you talk about the secret of the so-called sea people? Who are the C people? Yeah.

And by the way, Eric, you're the only interviewer who knows what you just said, you know, to say that, that I've known. That's brought that up. Yeah. The, let me put it this way, and it'll get the sea people's, well, let me put it this way. One of the things I want to do in the book is it's kind of removing the veil to see, when you remove the veil to the spiritual realm, you see actually what's happening in the physical realm right now. And so just a note of the enemy.

The enemy is also a mimic. He's an imitator. He imitates God, you know, the works of God, the Antichrist. You know, everything is an imitation. Well, what did God do? In the 20th century, God resurrected in ancient people, is. Israel back into the world. What's the enemy going to do? He's going to resurrect an ancient people. Okay. Going to a break, that's called the cliffhanger and show business. We'll be right back.

Back talking to Jonathan Khan, the new book, The Dragons Prophecy. Okay, so you're talking about the sea peoples. It's unclear who the sea peoples were. So keep talking about this. Yeah. So the thing is that what, if the enemy is going to imitate God and God, and God, resurrected an ancient people, could the enemy also resurrect an ancient people? And it's not about the people. They don't know what they're doing. We love all people, but they can be used. And the thing is that who are the ancient enemies of Israel, the arch enemies, the arch enemies, the Philistines, or the Pylastin. They are known as one of these people who swept across the Mediterranean, across Egypt, settled in Israel on that coast. And so what if the enemy would do that or take a people and conform that

into that image. Well, the amazing thing is, by the way, when the Jewish people, when the first instance of Israel recorded outside the Bible is by the pharaohs in the inscriptions, where it says I vanquished Israel. But the Mernepta steel, I think it was the Merneptus steel. I wrote about that on my book, is atheism dead. I was so fascinated by this. I mean, it's amazing. And right after that comes the first, the first recorded instance of the Philistine. So it's like Israel comes in the world. The Philistine is there. Now, the thing is, what if the Israel, what if the enemy resurrected it. Well, there's a people called the Palestinians. The word Palestinian literally means, people don't know this, means the Philistines. And in fact, the way you say,

the way you pronounce it in Arabic, they don't call themselves Palestinians. They call them this pronounced Philistine or Philistini. Literally, it's the word Philistine. So you have Israel, and as Israel was resurrected, this resurrection, this other resurrection starts paralleling it. And in fact, the word, the word Philistine comes into the Arabic word, just right at the, starts spreading through the Arab world as Israel's coming back. And at every point, it happens. Where did the Philistines live? They were in the place called Pilachet in Hebrew. We call in Bible say Philistia.

You know, it's a little region of land. Where is it? Today it exists, but it is called the Gaza Strip. And the Gaza Strip, which does not, did not exist. Gaza did. Gaza Strip did not exist. It came back. It came into the world when, in 1948, when Israel came into the world.

And so the Jewish people, the Israelites went to the land of Israel, and the people called Philistine, go to the land of the Philistines. And so you have a setup. You have this whole thing. And in ancient times, Gaza Strip or Philastia was the place where a lot of evil came out of that and into Israel. In fact, the Philistines used to launch raids and attack from the Gaza Strip, basically, and they would go into Israeli villages. they would brutalize them, and they would take hostages back to Gaza. So what we just witness is a replaying of a mystery that's totally in the Bible and that the enemy is using. So are the Philistines the sea peoples? They are considered one of. They believe from the

Aegean Sea, there were several. They were one that certainly swept across that that time and ravaged the place, yes. Okay, now you say also, that Hamas appears in the Bible. How so? Hamas is an Arabic word, and it's an acronym, and it means the Islamic resistance movement, and it means in Arabic zeal and fervor. But it's one of the strange words that's also Hebrew. And so in Hebrew, it means evil, violence, death, and destruction. And the thing is, that word, Hamas actually appears in the Bible, and I'll give you some example. I put it in the book, but just some examples. If you go in the Hebrew, it says,

Lord, save me from the man of Hamas. It says, Hamas has risen up in the land as a raw, of evil. It says Hamas is in the city and the land is filled with bloodshed. Hamas, you know how they dwell, they dwell in the tunnels, they hide. It says Hamas dwells in the dark places of the earth. And then it says, actually, there's a word given in the prophets to Israel says, rid Hamas from the land. Then in the kingdom of Messiah, there's a promise given to Israel in Isaiah. It says, and then Hamas shall no longer be heard in your land. So yes, it is in the Bible. Wow, okay. You also say that Hitler somehow had a part in the horrors of what happened on October 7th. What do you mean by that? Yeah, well, first, you know, people were already likening to. So it was the worst day in Jewish history since the Holocaust. And people likened what the Nazi troops used to do going house to house. But the thing is, it's deeper than that. There's a guy called, you may know, called Al Hussein. He was also called the Mufti of Jerusalem. He, he, in the 20th century, he was responsible for Jewish bloodshed.

He fled the land, went to Berlin, met with Adolf Hitler. He was a fan. They met together. The Mufti wanted to bring the Holocaust to Israel. He wanted Hitler to do it. Hitler said, I'll do it in the right time. The thing is that he ended up working for Hitler, broadcasting on Radio Berlin to the Arabic world, all this Nazi ideology.

After the war, he was going to be brought up in Nuremberg as a war criminal. He was part of the Holocaust. He escapes, comes to Egypt. He meets a teenager, an Egyptian teenager, whom he disciples as his. He was the mentor of this one. He decided, the teenager's name was Yasser Arafat. And here you have... Not the Yasser Arafat.

Just another guy named Yasser Arafat. There were a lot of them. Yes. Okay, seriously, you're serious. Yes. You have a line... The Mufti, who worked with Hitler. Yes.

Because I know about this. Yes. He escapes to Egypt. He escapes justice at Nuremberg. And he disciples Yasser Arafat. Yes. Who becomes the leader of the Palestinian. And by the way, the Muthi is called the father of Palestinian nationalism. He was an employee of Adolf Hitler.

And the thing is that, not only that, the Hitler also sponsored, funded, trained, helped in propaganda, an organization in 1930s. The name was the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood gave birth to Hamas. When you look at the Hamas charter, you probably looked at it. It basically reads from the words of Adolf Hitler in that original charter. And the thing is that here's another thing, just throwing this in. You know, Adolf Hitler put Heinrich Himmler in charge of the Holocaust. And he pointed Himmler in charge of the territories that were conquered to begin the Holocaust. The day was October 7th. Himmler was born on October 7th. You have this chain of the enemy's war.

All right. At this point, I'm looking at my producer, Chris Heims. I think Jonathan Khan's just making this stuff up. We're going to get back. We're going to hold his feet to the fire. I think he's just making it up. We'll be right back. Folks, welcome back talking to Jonathan Kahn, who turns out is not just making this stuff up.

A lot of people would say, I think he's just making it up. Turns out he's not. And we have to, I got to ask you, because this stuff is so extraordinary, you talk about Hamas' invasion of Israel being connected somehow to the book of Revelation. What do you mean by that? Yes. Yes. Revelation is predicting this. But here's the thing. In Revelation, it says the dragon warred against the woman. Actually, the Greek word is persecuted. This is against Israel. And it says, and we don't remember

he spewed a flood out of his mouth to wipe the woman away, which he's actually used against Israel in different ways. But the actual invasion of Israel, Hamas gave it a code word. They have a name. They don't call it the October 7th invasion. They call it Operation Tufan. Tufon is the Arabic word, which means the flood, as in the flood of a dragon. They don't know this, but that's exactly what it was. It's unbelievable. What do you mean by the term the colors of the apocalypse? Yeah, in the book of Revelation, and by the way, this is also, Eric, this is the only book

I didn't plan it this way, the only book ever in, which totally goes into the realm of end-time prophecy. What's happening now, but it really, it totally relates. We've crossed a number of thresholds, prophetic thresholds. But this one is in Revelation. Of course, there are the colors of death, of famine, of war, which is the four horsemen, the four horses. You have the white horse, you have the red horse, you have the black horse, and you have the green, pale green horse, cloros. And so you have that.

But the amazing thing is when after October 7th, it wasn't just October 7th, all over the world, you have this wave, this hatred, this rage against Israel, in Harvard, in America, as well, the whole world. And the thing is that where there was this rage against Israel, the colors of the apocalypse start appearing, and how so? They all gathered around a banner, the banner, the banner the flag of Palestine or the Philistines, which is white as in the white horse, red as in the red horse, black as in the black horse, green as in the green horse. And the thing is, every nation that has these colors, it marks them as an enemy of Israel. Wow. Okay. You say that the prophet Ezekiel foretells a coming invasion of Israel

that may be another big event to talk about that. Yeah, well, Ezekiel 38 is very specific and he speaks about an alliance of nations and invasion of Israel and he names the names. You know, now we can identify a number of them with at least the areas there, and there's some, there's question of it. But the thing is that we can identify them. Interesting thing is the ones we can identify today are, or in this modern age have all become enemies of Israel. Interesting. They're also working more and more together. But the thing that I saw is that, you know, it says that they'll all partake in an invasion of Israel. What I saw is that each one of them, of these ones that identify in the book,

each one of them had a part in the invasion of Israel of October 7th. Each one was a backer of Hamas. Each one smuggled in. Well, we know Iran. Who else? Definitely Iran. Sudan, which is Kush, also did it. Put, which is Libya. Togarma, Turkey,

all, every one of them are marked as they did that. And this had never happened before. I mean, and this is not, the fulfillment is yet to come, but they've never crossed this line. They were all involved in invasion of events. Israel. And Iran, absolutely, Iran, you know, Ezekiel says Iran is going to attack Israel along with the rest, but Iran never attacked Israel directly. But Iran for the first time did. It was just in the

last few months. We crossed another prophetic line. Yeah. You say that behind 9-11 was the Temple Mount. You say this in the book, and I have to ask you about the so-called King Solomon's secret. I mean, this is tantalizing stuff. We don't have enough time. Go ahead. Well, yeah, people don't realize this, and CNN will never tell you this, and that is that behind October 7th was the Temple Mount. The Temple Mount is really the ground zero of end-time prophecy. That's where it all has to come together. That's where the temple's going to be. That's where the Antichrist is going to be.

That's where the kingdom's going to be. So you're going to have warfare over that. You're going to have spirit. You're going to the dragon or the enemy is going to seek to dominate, and he has. In fact, to not allow any Jewish person to go up there and pray, you know, because this is linked to the temple. And so anything that would shake that was going to, all hell is going to break loose. Well, people don't know at the beginning of that year before October 7th, something happened. It happened on a Hebrew holiday.

It was Passover. There was a rumor that Jewish people were going to go up on the Mount, celebrate Passover, on the Mount with a lamb. Well, all hell broke loose on the Temple Mount. And it was then that Hamas issued a threat to Israel and said, because you did that, because of that, you're going to pay the price. Basically, I'm paraphrasing. October 7th was the enemy's back, his counterattack for what just happened. All hell broke loose on that. And the thing is that as it happened on a Hebrew Holy Day, so October 7th, the attack happened

on a Hebrew Holy Day. And the thing is that, as far as King Solomon, there's one day of the Hebrew year where the Jewish people open the scrolls and they read of King Solomon dedicating the temple on the temple mount. Now, to the enemy, that would be a threat. And they're reading it all over Israel. What day was that appointed? It's a Hebrew holiday. The day fell on October 7th. So they're opening the scrolls. They're reading about the temple and the temple mount.

Hamas is planning the Operation Tufaun, which they also called Operation Al-Axamas. They named the attack also after the Temple Mount. And by the way, I'm going to throw this in, Eric. Behind 9-11 was also the Temple Mount. Because after October 7th, Hamas issued a statement. They said it was because of the Temple Mount. You threatened the Temple Mount. That's the devil. This is the enemy speaking. After 9-11, bin Laden issues a statement, and he says it happened, almost used to the exact same words, because of how you threaten the Temple Mount, talking about Israel and thus America. And so it's all behind it. It's all, when you pull away the veil, it's all there. Do you have any sense of whether, how America fits into this and whether Trump will get back into office? Oh, I'm praying. Well, we all are praying. I'm praying. You know, you know, um, Well, first of all, America, well, listen, listen, America is, you know, people come up with it,

but there's no real clear thing of America in end-time prophecy, which would mean that America would not be what it is today. It's not going to be the head of nations. They're going to be a decline, which would only happen if it falls away from God, which is happening, and if it falls away from Israel, which is now, we have warning signs, especially in one party, where about half of them hate Israel right now in the more left-leaning party. And so the thing is that if it turns away, from, it's like that's the saving grace. If we turn away from that and God, forget it

for, this is the Abrahamic covenant. And it's always held true from the days of the Pharaohs to America. And so that's one thing. The other thing is that I think, you know, listen, we pray for revival. I did, I think we once spoke. I did, I did a book called The Paradigm, which speaks about Trump and it has the, all these

parallels, and Jehu. Now Jayhu, Trump is a Jayhu. You know, Jayhu was wild. He was unpredictable. He was, he had an alliance with the religious conservatives of his land. He face to face in a showdown with the nation's former first lady, you know, and even all the time is exactly the same. Well, it's, I don't, I can't say, you know, I'm like, I'm torn between the two. Is God going to give America another chance? Right. If Trump gets in, and Trump is not

the answer, the Lord is the answer, but if Trump gets in, it will slow things down. Right. But if, but if the other gets in, it's going to accelerate it. No doubt about it. We'll be right back final segment talking to Jonathan Kahn, the new book, The Dragons Prophecy. Welcome back talking to my friend Jonathan Kahn. I think the obvious question a lot of people have to some extent is what's the point? In other words, you hear all this stuff. What is God trying to do by giving us the information that he's given you that you put in this book? What is the larger point?

Yeah, one is that God is in control. God is real. The God of the Bible is still real. The God of Israel is real. And what the Bible said is actually coming forward. We are actually moving forward on these things in every direction. The other thing is, what do we do? The last part of the book of the dragon's prophecy is, what do we do?

Because, you see, it says the dragon in Revelation doesn't just war against the woman. It says he wars against the rest of her children. Who are they? They're us. They're everyone who follows Messiah. If you're a believer, you are a spiritual child of Israel. No matter where you come, you are. The enemy attacks Israel physically.

He attacks the people of God spiritually, persecution. In the last days, he's going to rage against both of them. And so Israel and the church are going to get more and more, you know, together even by that. But one of the things is that we have to fight. One of the things about Israel, in the natural, Jews weren't known as fighters for a long time. They weren't allowed to be. We came out to Israel and said, if we don't fight, we're dead. That's the correspondence. We are spiritual Israelis. We have to learn how to spiritually fight. We cannot just take what's happening in the culture, what the enemy is doing, or in our lives. We have to say, no, we will fight

this. We have to be strong like the first believers were, and to touch the world. So the last part is about that because the dragon wars against every human being, not just the Jews, not just the church, but everyone in the image of God, he's been warring against each one of us since we were conceived. And we have to fight the fight. And some things of encouragement is when you look in Revelation, you see a dragon, but you also see a lamb. And now most people would place their bets on a dragon if they're fighting. But the lamb wins. The lamb is mess is mess. And the thing is, you know, evil always comes like a dragon, overwhelming, fierce, you know, intimidating. Good comes like a lamb. It's an underdog. Doesn't look like it's an oil. I mean, every, you

speak about, look at the Christians in Nazi Germany, look at the Christians in Rome and on and on. Well, it may not look like it, but good does win. You know, you know, the dragon is reptilian, that's cold blood, or they don't last. The evil doesn't last. It can't. But good goes forever. We will win, you know, if we persevere. I'm not talking about every battle. But it's interesting when you talk about fighting, because I really do think that there are many Christians who have been persuaded of a lie that they are not to fight. That is not biblical. But a lot of people, and again, this is where the church goes wrong,

this is where heresy comes in. You buy an idea that is not God's idea, and you think it's God's idea. And that's when I write in my book, religionless Christianity, it's this religious idea, and you think it must be right, and it's utterly wrong. You're working with Satan.

The idea that we're not supposed to fight for God's value, for what is right and good and true. That idea has crept into the American church. It crept into the German church before Hitler. And people believe it until finally they wake up and they say, oh, we were totally wrong. We should have fought. Then it's too late.

And that's why I'm talking to you. I talk everywhere I go about this, that Christians need to understand God has called you to fight for what is right and good and true. That at least means to vote. But it means to be getting involved in every way you can, fasting and praying for the election coming up. I'm telling people, go to my website, ericmetaxis.com slash pray. We want to get every church involved.

Ericmataxis.com slash pray. We've got to fight. Final thoughts. We've got 40 seconds. Yeah. Encouragement here. And that is that when you look at this, a real thing. You know, here you have Israel that the enemy's been trying to destroy for 4,000 years, the pharaohs, Syria, Babylon, Rome, Hitler, the terrorist.

But you know what? Babylon is gone. Rome is gone. The pharaohs are gone. Hitler's... They're all gone, but the nation of Israel still lives. It should be in museums here in New York, but they're alive because the God of Israel's alive. And the Messiah of Israel is alive. And if you're following him, you will win in the end, but you've got to fight. One of the things I say, you can't win if you don't fight. And so the last part is that we must fight the dragon. Well, the title of the book is The Dragon's Prophecy. People are going crazy for it.

And I think after this interview, you understand why. Jonathan Kahn, just a privilege to talk with you. Thank you for this. Thank you, Eric. Always, always a blessing.