The Eric Metaxas Show - Jonathan Cahn Reveals “The Avatar”: The Shocking Mysteries Uncovered

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

Best-selling author Jonathan Cahn unveils the powerful revelations in his new book “The Avatar.” He explores hidden biblical mysteries, prophetic connections, and what they mean for America and the world today.

Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show. Did you ever see the movie The Blobs starring Steve McQueen? The blood-curdling threat of The Blob. Well, way back when, Eric had a small part in that film, but they had to cut his scene because the blob was supposed to eat him. But he kept spitting him out. Oh, the whole thing was just a disaster. Anyway, here's the guy who's not always that easy to digest.

Eric the Texas! Hey, the folks, welcome on the program. I'm always excited when I get to talk to Jonathan Kahn, which means I'm excited right now because I get to talk to Jonathan Kahn. Jonathan Kahn has written many, many books. He's been on this program many times, and he astonishes me by continuing to write extraordinary books. The new one coming out imminently. Like you can pre-order it. You can get it like in days. It's called the Avatar. Jonathan Kahn, congratulations on the new. book and welcome back. Thank you. Eric, always a blessing to be with you. You've got to sum up the thesis of the avatar because you have an extraordinary gift in seeing things in the scripture and

seeing patterns. I have never, I never cease to be amazed at your ability to do this, to see these patterns that haven't been seen before. You must yourself be a little bit amazed at it. I mean, this is not, you know, it's extraordinary, really. Well, thank you, Eric. I'm blown away by the Lord, you know, and I'm the first one when this happens, like, oh, Lord, you know, I'm not surprised because he always does it. There's no end to the Lord, but I'm still amazed.

So I'm the first one to be blown away. I just want to, you know, Lord, I know you have something. Show me. And he always does. He's never run out. out. I have to ask you, because it's been a while since I've asked you this, where did you grow up? How did you grow up? What did you think you were going to do when you grew up? Because, you know, people, we just kind of assume, okay, you're Jonathan Con, you're doing what you're doing.

Well, you know, what were you thinking as a young man? Did you think that you would be following God's plan for your life in this way? Did you, at what point did you notice that you had the kind of gifting to do what you're doing? I was, well, Eric, I was raised in a, you know, regular, kind of secular Jewish home. And my parents were scientists. I believed in God. I went to Hebrew school until I was eight. I became an atheist. I didn't see the God of the Bible in the synagogue. And so that lasted until I was about 13 when I started seeking truth, you know, and, you know, Lord, wherever it is, whether it's, you know, science books, UFO books, you Nostradamus, you know, religion.

And one day I picked up the lake we planet Earth by Hal Lindsay about biblical prophecy. I never heard about that before. Now, how does a secular Jewish kid pick up a Hal Lindsay book? Where were you raised? I was raised in New York State, which about 30 minutes north of New York City. And I was in a, it was Corvettes at the time, it was historical events. And I looked for a book. It looked like Charity of the Gods.

You know, they did the type as if it was one of the U.S. Listen, you and I were around the same age, and I'm just cracking up here. You are exactly right. The book, Eric von Danikin's book, Chariots of the Gods, had the exact same cover as the late great planet Earth. So if you were interested, as you and I were, like, in the mid-70s and kind of cool, weird stuff, UFOs, secret knowledge, you'd grab a book like that. And that was the genius of how Lindsay or the people who marketed his book to make look like that. So it was at a Corvette. I don't know anybody, how many people listening to this program ever heard of Corvettes?

I think that was a New York area thing, I believe. Yeah. And I, you know, and it's like the Lord tricked me, you know, I mean, you know, because, you know, that's how he got me kind of the back door. Because I kind of, I was an atheist. So, but through all these other things, God got me in. And that's what really started to be thinking. So I started to say, wow. I have no idea of prophecy coming true.

The Bible is actually real. And so I started reading the Old Testament in our house, the Hebrew scriptures, and started seeing about the Messiah who's going to be born. The Jewish Messiah is going to be born in Bethlehem. He's going to ride on a donkey into Jerusalem. He's going to become a light to the Gentiles, going to die for our sins in Isaiah. I said, that's Catholic. How did I get in here?

And so, you know, that totally opened me up. But I didn't want to, I didn't want to follow him. I started believing, and I started telling my friends all about it, but I didn't want to follow the Lord. So I made a deal. I thought I had to give up everything. good and become a monk, and that was it. So I made a deal. I said, if you give me a long life, I'll accept you on my deathbed. And so, so right after that, I was almost killed. The second time I was hit by a train in a Ford Pinto. And I just cried out and the car was destroyed. And I said,

Lord, and he, I didn't get a scratch. And so what year was that, Jonathan? What was it? What year was that? That was 1979. So you were driving a Ford Pinto and what, you're crossing some railroad tracks? I'm crossing a railroad track in Nanuette, New York. And how is it that you're crossing a track while the train is also crossing? Well, what happened was it was an intersection where there was no protection. It was at night. It was after a snowstorm came at an angle. And people had been struck there.

The cars were all crossing on the other side. I was heading to college, and I wasn't going to cross unless I was sure the train was gone. The light was going on, but everybody was crossing. So I looked. I said, I looked, I saw light. It didn't look like. was moving because I was on the track. I couldn't tell. I said, you know what, to be safe, let me try to back up. I started trying to back up, but there are headlights now in back of me in my

mirror. So I backed up just a little, but I was still in the path of the train. And so the train came and that was it. And because of the train made headlines and it was a miracle. But because of that, I got safe. So I said, Lord, can we renegotiate? And I said, here's a new deal. I'll accept you when I turn 20. So on my 20th birthday, I remember from here, he was, I remember from here, Hebrew school, God met Moses on a mountain. So I said, let me find a mountain. I found a mountain in Rocking County, went up at night, kneeled down on a rock and gave my life to the Lord on my 20th birthday. And I found out later, Eric, I'm, you know, I'm descended. My lineage is Aaron, it's the house of Aaron, the priest. And later on, I'm reading the Bible, and it says that God had the sons of

Aaron start serving him when it was the time of Solomon's temple when they turned 20. I had no idea. I was just by in time. Wow. So the thing is, to answer, sorry to going to go off. So I started, early on, I was asked to teach a Bible study. I was new in the Lord, but I was asked, and things just started coming and coming and coming. And that's how, you know, I always knew, and then I was asked to be a pastor and then all that. And I knew I was always supposed to write books, but I never had time to do it because of the ministry.

Finally, the Lord just said, just do it. And that's how, I wrote The Harbinger. That's how it started. But I was always getting things. Well, it's a real, this is, you know, evidence of God, how he gives different people different gifts, strange gifts. I mean, it's an amazing thing. He's giving you this outrageous gift to see these patterns. It's fascinating because once you see it, you can't unsee it.

You think, oh, my gosh, this is right. And so the latest book, of course, the brand new book now called The Avatar, it's a similar kind of thing. But what is the avat? We've only got a couple minutes in the segment. What is it in a nutshell cover? Yeah. Yeah, the avatar, the avatar is really pulling away the veil behind everything that's happening, everything from our political realm, our cultural realm.

Behind it is a spiritual realm, and it's real, it's amazing, everything from behind the assassination attempt of Trump, behind Trump, behind really the leaders on our stage. I wrote a book, you know, Eric, called The Return of the Gods, and that's about the spirits or the forces come back when you drive God. out, there's a vacuum. And that's what's behind the things that are happening in our culture. Well, this is taking it to another level. It's affecting people. Could people could actually leaders on the stage now be avatars or be representatives being used by these forces? And it's really a full revelation of really taking the veil out where we are now and where we're going

in the prophetic moment. That's a quick thing, but it's deep. And it's probably, Eric, it's The Avatar is probably the most explosive book I've written. I've written some explosive books, but this is probably the most explosive one. In fact, I don't even know what's going to happen as it comes out. Well, it's interesting because I'm always trying to look at the template of, you know, God's template of reality. And God has allowed these demonic forces to exist. They exist.

They've always existed, you know, since they began to exist. They haven't ceased to exist. So they're still here. and they influence everything. And then you've got to talk about, okay, the details. What are they influencing? And so some people talk about there's been a Jezabellic spirit in the last 50 or 60 years. So these things are real.

And what you do is you help us see it. And so when we come back, folks, we're going to get into the details of this. Some exciting stuff. I know you won't go anywhere. We'll be right back with Jonathan Kahn. A major retail chain just canceled a massive order, leaving My Pillow with an overstock of the classic My Pillows, and this is your gain, because for a limited time, my Pillows offering their entire classic collection at true wholesale prices. Get a standard My Pillow for just 1798. Want more, upgrade to Queen Size for only 2298 or King Size for 2498? Snag body pillows for 2998, and versatile multi-use pillows for just 9.98. Give your bet a whole new pillow set only, while supplies last. Visit MyPillow.com today. Use promo code Eric or call 800-978-3057 to score these

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Shadim in Hebrew, or which are spirits, literally. And it was translated into Greek as daimonia in the New Testament becomes the word demonic. And so when they're worshipping gods, this is what's involved. And I, but I had encounters with them. I'm just going to name, I'm just going to mention one of them that I start out the book with. And I was in India, you know, India land of 30 million gods. You know, it's a spiritual thing going on. I've never seen so much spiritual warfare in my life. When I was in fact, if it was not for God, I would not have come out alive. It wasn't just spiritual. It was, it was physical as well. When was this? This was this was this was a, this was a around 2000 when I first went.

So you visited India and you could sense the demonic powers. I mean, yeah, and more than sense. I mean, there were, you know, a Hindu government, a radical government had just taken over. And they were killing Christians. And I was asked to walk in the footsteps of the Apostle Thomas because the Indians traced their faith to the idea that Thomas came over and I'm a Jewish person. So they had me walk all across India. And I was a target everywhere I went, Eric, and I won't go into detail.

But there was at least 200 people trying to get to me. Aside from the spiritual one, I mean, to do harm, to stop what was going to happen. I ended up on the top of the mountain where Thomas was, by tradition, martyred. But the thing is that at the end of the journey, I'm in front of like 70,000 people at night in the dark, robed Indians. And I was led, before sharing the gospel, I was led to sound the show far. You know, the Bible's the trumpet of God. And it's, you know, it's a sign of power. It's when you're in battle, you will sound it.

You'll have victory against the enemy. And actually tradition that when you sound the shofar, the enemy flees. That's an ancient and old tradition with that and spirits flee. Well, I sounded it. And we don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, it was like a wave. If you can imagine being at an exorcism, except multiplied by thousands of people. And it was a wave of people screaming, blood-curdling, screaming. Now, they had never heard a chauffeur before, and they had not read the tradition or even that scripture about it.

But it was like we're in a land of so much, you know, that with gods, there are spirits. It's real, as you were saying, it's a real thing. And it's all, and it's more dangerous that when you don't know it, like America or West or the secular nations, when you don't realize this, because when you drive God out, you know, it happened with Germany. You, you know, it happened with Russia. When you drive God out, what comes in is going to be demonic. And we are dealing with that now. We're actually dealing with spirits real identifiable. spiritual spirits.

Okay, you mean in America now? Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember, Eric, you remember the Olympics, the last Olympics? And at the beginning, the beginning they had this blasphemous thing where they had the last supper. And in it, they desecrated it. They had drag queens dancing as the apostles. And then in place of Jesus or the body or the elements of his body, they have a food plate. They take it off. Instead of Jesus is a pagan god, which is the, the, the God Dionysus. That was on the Olympic opening ceremony. The God Dionysus was a god of, as you know, it was God of possession, God of sexual immorality, drove his followers insane. And it was replacing,

you know, Jesus, the gospel replaced these gods at the beginning of the age, drove them out. It was like an exorcism. Now we're watching, it was like a sign of our culture, driving out Jesus, something else is going to come in. What was cast out has come back. And you know, you know this, Eric, I don't know if everyone does, but this was done by a person, this exchange of Jesus for Dionysus, who was Frederick Nietzsche. And Frederick Nietzsche, German philosopher in 19th century, he said, we've got to get rid of Jesus, got to get rid of God. And he actually, people don't know, he was, he adored Dionysus. It was actually like a worshipper of Dionysus. Well, Dionysus drove his followers insane. Nietzsche goes insane. And at the end of his writing, he doesn't sign his name Nietzsche. He signs it

Dionysus, as if he was completely taken over. And of course, one of the people who read Nietzsche was Hitler and the Nazis. They made him their philosophy. And that tells you the danger when you're dealing with these things to take out God. It's never any nation or civilization that drives out God is a dangerous thing that has once known God. More dangerous than a pagan civilization is a post-Christian civilization. Well, boy, there's a lot here. And of course, you're right. I mean, I think, I assume that a lot of people, myself included, would say that we're also in the middle of a reversal, the election of Trump, his miraculous survival of that assassination attempt in Butler in July of 24, that we're seeing a reversal. So I always say, and I think you agree

with us that we are in a war, a spiritual war, but the Lord is showing up. Yes. The enemies are being routed, or at least they're on the run. So there's a lot that's going on right now. But anyway, keep going. Where do you start in the book? In other words, where? Yeah. Yeah, that's all. This is all part of it, Eric, is exactly that. Yeah, one of the mysteries I've opened up, and it keeps going. It doesn't stop. And so I've written more. is the mystery of kings that when you look at the, when Israel turned away from God, you look at in the time of Ahab, Jezebel, you have that you have these templates and it's amazing because modern American leaders have been following the template without realizing it.

I mean, it's God weaving it together. But I won't go through the detail except when we get to want to get to Trump. And that is, but, but the last quarter century, you have Bill Clinton, I will just say this, he was following the template of Ahab. You know, Bill Clinton was on a national state, political stage for 20, years. Ahab was on the national political state for 22 years. After Ahab comes one of his sons, Joram, who follows in the ways of Ahab, hostile to the gospel. Obama would follow this, and this is Joram. Obama was on the national stage for exactly 12 years, the political stage, from the,

from the convention to the end of his presidency. Joram was on the national stage for 12 years. Hillary Clinton, Ahab had a wife, of course. Hillary Clinton, you know, Jezebel was for child sacrifice. You know, Hillary Clinton was the abortion champion of the century, according to Planned Parenthood. Hillary Clinton was on the national stage, political stage with her husband for 22 years. After that, in office, she was, or running for president or in office, it totals 14 years. So Jezebel was on the national stage for 22 years with her husband on her own 14 years.

But then, and the thing is this, this is just a little taste of it, but the thing is this, the house of Ahab was about to take over the culture. I mean, if it kept going, Israel would have been sealed. It wasn't just political, it was cultural. Well, in America, we were watching this anti-God woke agenda that was taking over virtually every institution of mainstream culture. But in the template, God has a surprise. And in what happened to America, there was a surprise as well.

And his name was Donald Trump. The mystery behind the template behind Donald Trump is this man, Jehu. Jayhu was, he rises up, God raises him up, to go against, drive back, roll back the House of Ahab. Jayhu is not a politician. He's a fighter. Jayhu is wild, unpredictable. So was Donald Trump. Jayhu makes an alliance with the religious conservatives of his land. So did Donald Trump. Jayhu comes to the capital city with an agenda to drain the swamp. So does Donald Trump. And literally this, Eric, you know, I didn't even know this until recently.

Jayhu, you know how Donald Trump began his, his everything from on top of that staircase, and he comes down the staircase, and he announces his race for the presidency. Jayhu starts his, all thing starts on top of a staircase, comes down, begins a race to the throne. And the thing is that Donald Trump is, what it represents here is, it's, so it was, Jayhu was a surprise of God, and he was unlikely. We don't even know where Jayhu was at with God, but he was a vessel of God to roll back this agenda and to roll back the House of Ahab to literally roll back the agenda of the gods. And Donald Trump doesn't have to know it. I don't think he's reading, he's reading these scriptures, but nevertheless,

God is God. How many years was Jayhu on the throne? Okay. This is great. Okay. All right, before, let me do it. Let me do it. I'll get, I'll promise I'll do it. Let me do it. I hope it's 40, but go ahead. Okay. Well, here's the thing. The template in each of them, you know, is that they're on the national political stage for the same time that that king or queen was. I mean, basically. And the thing is that Donald Trump is different because he wasn't a politician.

And so, and he's been on, you know, he's always been there. But when did he first, when did he first enter the national political stage? Well, people would say, well, 2015 or 2016, no. He actually first ran, he was a candidate for president in the year 2000. And it was called Trump 2000. It was the Reform Party. He actually won the California primary and other primaries. It was Trump 2000.

It was literally the time he first entered the political stage. Now in the world have we never heard of this, Jonathan? You could look it up. Yeah, it's true. It's all there. It's all there. And so the thing is that now if he completes his term in office and doesn't go for another one, we'll see. But his last full year will be the year 28, 20, 2020.

he won in 2024. And so it says of J.B. That's a 28, and that's a 28 year span from the time he entered the political national state. Well, reopen the Bible. It says of Jehu, he was on the national stage for 28 years. All right, we have to go to a break.

But here's the good news. We're coming right back. Don't go away. Welcome back, talking to Jonathan Kahn about his brand new book, The Avatar. Okay, Jonathan, you say, that Trump entered politics in 2000. I'm going to say maybe.

I would prefer to think that his 28-year reign begins in 2016 because we'll go for it. 28-year reign doesn't need to mean that he's president for 28 years. If it starts in 2016, you know, it seems that if Vance were president, you see where I'm going, that his influence can, but we don't know. Yeah, well, let me throw something to that, and that is that, you know, after Jayhu were the sons of Jayhu. You know, so you still have the House of Jayhu reigning over Israel. But yeah, but politically it's really interesting.

But, you know, and also, by the way, a template can can be fulfilled. These templates, I've seen them, you know, one template can be fulfilled in several. ways. So, but, but yeah, but that is the thing. So, well, there's so many questions I already want to ask. The, you're talking about these different gods. You're talking about these template. The gods, of course, are these demonic entities. Yes. The bell and, and, and, and on and on. What is your, what is your sense? You say that Donald Trump is, is, is part of this mystery. Yes, big time. But you're postulating that he's out in 2028, which would be logical.

What does come after that? What comes after Jayhu? Well, that kind of depends where we are, what we do. You know, Donald Trump can surprise us, of course, he always does. But that depends what we do. We have a window. You know, Jayhu, you know, when you want to send Donald Trump and where we are right now, it is Jayhu.

Jayhu was a window that God. gave to Israel basically to choose, you know, because it was about to be finished. It was it was about to be sealed. And if we looked at the culture just before that election, it was, it was like, it was a total, like a soft totalitarian takeover. It was all over. And the thing is that we've got a window of time right now. And this is whether there's going to, the ultimate thing is, and that's the ultimate point, is revival is the only thing that can save America. And so, you know, Jay, we don't know if there was revival. We don't know that.

When Jehu left, the fall resumed. We got to pray for better than that now. But the fact is, and I think you agree, the fact, God put, it's not about Donald Trump, but God put him there. And that means there's a reason and there's a hope and there's an answer. Okay. I'll accept that. I mean, there's going to be so much in the book I know.

And the copy you mailed me, I don't have one. with me here. Yeah, it looks like, it looks like this. It's not, don't get confused with a movie on Amazon. It's got to look like this, the avatar, the return of the angels. Yes, the avatar. Jonathan Khan has to be on it. Yes. All right, let's talk about, I know in the book you talk about the mystery of Joe Biden. Yes. That sounds like, you know, a comedy set up. The mystery of Joe Biden. It does. It does, but it's real. Let me show you. Okay. And by way, let me just tell you, this too. You know, the template, just leading to this, the template with Jehu is that he, in order to take power, he first comes against the present king or leader of the land. And then, and then what

happens is a woman rises in the place of that king and who with an anti-biblical agenda. And then Jayhu comes face to face with a woman. In the Bible, it's Jezebel. But the thing is, first of the king. So in 2016, Trump first was basically running against and coming against and opposing Obama. And then Hillary Clinton, woman with an anti-biblical

agenda, becomes the focus and Trump prevails. In 2024, the template of Jayhu replays itself. Again, you have a king, ungodly, which is Biden, and Trump comes against him, defeats him in that debate,

ends it. And then a woman with anti-biblical agenda, Kamala Harris, rises, and then Trump comes against her and wins. So he wins in 2020, but in 2020, that wasn't the template. Trump was the one who was the king. So I'm not talking about the election, but he didn't prevail to be back in the White House. But the thing is, in 2016 and 2024, it was the template of Jayhu, he prevails. But let me say, okay, I know it sounds crazy. It sounds wild. Joe Biden, how could he be in this mystery? Well, there's another king in this template. His name is Jehoram. And this is, this is, this is, this is going to be the template of Joe Biden. Joe, Jehoram knew about God, he knew about the things ago, but he turned against it.

He was an apostate. You know, Biden originally was more, was, was against a Roe versus Wade. He turned total against everything that he, at one point, he stood for. He became totally apostate. But the other thing is that Jehoram, at the beginning of his reign, there, he suffers a disastrous military withdrawal or retreat from the land of Edom, an enemy. And so it weakens his whole his administration. Well, Biden, at the beginning of his term, he suffers a disastrous withdrawal from a place called Afghanistan that totally, you know, basically it ends the future of his administration. During the time of Johoram, Eric, there is, there are, it's a problem with foreigners crossing into the borders, border crossing Johoram. And Johorim seems to just

let it happen. So with Biden. Another thing is, during the reign of Jehoram, there's an attack on the land of Israel and invasion. And the Bible says it involves the Arabians and the Philistines. Well, today the Arabians, it means Arab. The word Palestinian literally means Philistines. In Arabic, it's the Philistini. And so the attack in the time of Jehoram happened from the Gaza Strip, and they came in and took hostages, the Philistines, back to Gaza. So the whole thing is replaying. I mean, everything's replaying. Jehoram was led the nation against the ways of God, and so did Joe Biden.

There's a whole thing with this, but it's all over. But here's what happens, Eric. At the end of Jehoram's reign, he... Forgive me, Jonathan Cliphanger, going to a hard break. We'll be right back. We'll be back talking to Jonathan Khan. Brand new book, The Avatar. All right, Jonathan, I cut you off with the last segment.

Please continue. At the end of Jehoram's reign, and Jehoram is this prototype mystery behind Biden, the thing is that, because everything's following, everything and everybody. But the thing is that he suffers physical impairment. We don't know if he's raining where the people around him are raining.

We don't know. So Biden, at the, he's suffered, it becomes the big issue is his physical impairment. And when he go, by the way, when Biden stepped out, his own party was happy, was relieved. It says when Joram, Jehoram departed, it says in the Bible, it was to no one's sorrow.

And at the end of his reign, he had one son left, Jehoram, his youngest son, his name was Ahaziah. Well, at the end of Biden's presidency, or even throughout it, there was more... Can I just guess, did Ahaziah have a laptop? He had a scroll. Okay. And, you know, we don't know what...

But listen to this. Don't just ignore. my jokes. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, listen. So his name was Ahaziah, and he didn't follow the Lord, and he was the youngest son, and the last one. Well, Biden had Hunter. At the end, it was one son, last, you know, last born son, Hunter, also didn't follow the Lord. Listen to this. Ahaziah, the name Ahzai comes from Hebrew, Ahaz, which means to seize. In old German, to seize is the word Hampton, thus the name Hunter. Hunter and Ahaziah. It's the same, both from the same route.

That's crazy. Yeah. That is crazy. Okay. Keep going. Cheesh. Okay. One thing is just to understand what's happening now with Trump, that when you look

at Jayhu with the second, Trump two, the second hour, is what Jayhu was anointed for was, again, to strike down the house of Ahab. And what he did, you look at the Bible commentaries and look at headlines about Trump, he purges, Jayhu purges the government. He drives out, he removes from the government, the House of Ahab. People who are in the House of Aiham, exactly what Trump's doing. Jehu dismantled the houses of Ahab, the temples of Bail. And Trump has also been dismantling. Everything he's doing, right now he's like Jehu on steroids. The first one to talk about Jehu, or in the Bible, was Elijah. And God said, God speaks to him and

says, the sword of Jehu. When Trump was, inaugurated at that inaugural ball, the military ball, they hand him a sword. Literally, he starts dancing and waving it. You know, what president does that, but that is part of it too. He has come with a sword, and that's part of what Jayhu has to do. It's unbelievable. There's so much here. Can we just keep going?

Yeah, let's keep going. Now, of course, I can just give a taste because there's so much, but I want to get to this. You know, the avatar. An avatar is, again, is like a vessel of a god, a manifestation, or an image of a god. Now, we're talking about forces, and we're talking about forces in America. Could we be at the stage where there's actually people who are in effect as avatars? Well, you know, in ancient times, in ancient pagan world, the kings of the land, the pharaohs of Egypt, the kings of Babylon, were considered avatars of the gods, images of the gods. Could this happen in America?

Could we have come, could there have been more to this whole thing that's been happening than we even realize? Well, in Hinduism, the word avatar is from the Eastern gods. It is believed that the house of Brahmin produces avatars. People are born of this lineage that become avatars of the gods. Well, one of the people who was born of the house of Brahmin was named Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris was given the name Kamala. Kamala is the name of an ancient goddess, Hindu-Dharas. goddess. Her middle name is Devi, which literally means the goddess. So Kamala's name means Kamala,

the goddess. All over in Hindu scriptures, they talk about Kamala Devi, Kamala the goddess. But there's more. Her whole life, we won't be able to go into a lot of detail, but her whole life is following the pattern of this goddess. This goddess begins her rise connected to the ocean, is born connected to the ocean. So is Kamala Harris. This goddess becomes number two. The number two, the number two, ruler in the land or creation. The goddess is joined to a king named Vishnu. You know how Biden was called Sleeping Joe? The goddess, Vishnu was called the Sleeping God.

The name Vishnu, actually, the name Devi as a goddess in Hindu writings was about the, you know, how Kamala laughs. I mean, you know, at wrong times, all the time, laughing Kamala is called the laughing goddess. But let me go, let me go further. Eric, this is like mind-boggling. That is, there's a day on the Hindu calendar where it's all devoted to the goddess Kamala.

They have idols. They worship her all around the world. It's called Sharad Pernima. It fell on October 20th, 1964. Kamala Harris was born on the day of the goddess Kamala. When they're all around the world, they're worshipping the goddess. In fact, there's a knight, there's a knight called Kojajagara Puzha, which is they believe. the goddess Kamala enters the world under the moonlight, under the full moon, and people open their

houses to receive her. On that night, Kamala Harris entered the world when the goddess was to enter the world. And one more thing. There's a day in the pagan Hindu calendar where they believe that it's the birthday of the goddess. They celebrate her birth, talk about her being born by link to the ocean. It's her birthday. Kamala Harris was born, the woman Kamala was born on the day of the birth of the goddess Kamala. As they're celebrating the birth of Kamala, the goddess, Kamala is born. And all over the world, as she's born, people are chanting the name of Kamala. All over the world, she comes into the world.

There's a whole mystery. And so what we were watching, this election, there was more to it. Because, I mean, imagine this, Eric, you know, we're a nation that is founded under God to be ruled by God. If, just talk about signs. If she had been elected, we would be ruled by a woman called the goddess, the goddess, God or the goddess. So there was much more going on than we even realized. Well, where do you see this going? Well, this is where Trump comes in.

And this is where, you know, God is on the throne and God surprises and God, as you said, God shows up. This is where we're in a battle. And you said we're in a real battle. And the thing is that we got to this point, you know, I mentioned. speaking about Trump, let's remove one more avail. Trump, you know, as Harris, Kamala Harris was born on a pagan holiday. Trump was born on a day that ushers in a biblical holy day.

He was born on Friday, the Sabbath. That means there's a word appointed for his, every Sabbath, there's an appointed word that it's read all over the world by Jewish people. It's been, from ages past, is appointed for that day. Well, what was the word? When Donald Trump was born, The word was from the Torah was God saying,

I'm going to bring into the world a vessel, an instrument, specifically produce the trumpet. Okay, this is too much. I need to go to a break. We'll be right back. Welcome back. We're talking to Jonathan Con. Brand new book is The Avatar.

Jonathan, there is just so much here. I don't want to miss any of it. You're seeing some stuff that's just like, you know, crazy. Thank you. I mean, Kamala Harris being named after the Hindu goddess and she's, I mean, the naturalistic explanation, it seems to me, at least one explanation would be, didn't her parents name her Kamala because she was born on the day of this goddess? Well, number one, it would be, I don't, we don't know that she's never said that. It's never been, I mean, that's never been the case, that they didn't have a name before that.

But the other thing is that even, we don't know that, but even if it was, she was born on the day, you know, she couldn't have, nobody could have controlled the day of her birth, or that her life would follow all these things. So it's there, I mean, you know, so beyond it all. And here's the thing, and so with Donald Trump. You know, it's interesting because she's born on a pagan holiday. Donald Trump is born technically on a Jewish holiday,

or the day that it ushers an end. And the last sort of saying is that all around the world, when Kamala Harris was born, they're all chanting the name of the goddess Kamala around the world. Well, around the world when Trump is born, or the Sabbath that leads to this, is that they are reading from the Torah,

reading from the scrolls about the trumpet that is born into the world. Literally, he's named Trump in English. That's a word for trumpet. And what is that about? Well, one, it means that he's a vessel. You know, the trumpet doesn't have to know, doesn't have to know exactly how it's being used,

but it's a vessel. and he's a vessel. And the other thing is that, I mean, a trumpet is loud and jarring. And a lot of times people don't want to get interrupted by the trumpet, but the trumpet interrupts everything. And the other thing is that the trumpet, when the trumpet sounds, it's a sign of the power of God. You have, you know, I shared at the beginning when I was in India and I'm sounding the shofar and the Bible says, when the Trump, you sound the Trump, when you're in warfare, sound the trumpet, the enemy is going to be defeated. Well, you know, that, that scripture was one of the scriptures appointed for that Sabbath of Donald Trump's birth, that same one. And so Donald shows that election that we have, think about this, the election was a man called trumpet and a woman called goddess. And when the trumpet sounds, the spirits flee. And so, and by the way, let me throw this in, Eric. You know that it's not just me talking about her family. You know, in ancient times, when they spoke about the leader,

they depicted the Pharaoh or the king of Babylon, they depicted them merging the image of the king with the god or goddess that they represented. Well, there was actually an image that came on the internet, and just before Kamala Harris first entered the White House, and it was put up by her own family. It was an image of Kamala Harris merged with the figure and image of a Hindu goddess. And the goddess was literally fighting Donald Trump. And they did this thinking it was a good thing. But that's the avatar. We're dealing, you know, at the beginning you said, we're in a spiritual warfare.

We're dealing with real things. And let me, let me throw one, at least there's so much I can't do. because there's so much in the book I can't do, but here's one. Even, you know, you know, Jehu was actually the only king of the North who was anointed. And the thing is that, that the first, Donald Trump was a Jayhu, and the thing is that the first anointing in the Bible, the most famous anointing detail, is the anointing of the priesthood. They had to be anointed to serve God, to serve his purposes.

They had to go through anointing. And the thing is that the priests, the anointing of the priests, didn't involve just oil, it involved blood. When Donald Trump survived that miraculously, survived that assassination attempt, and talk about warfare to stop him, that changed him. I mean, he said, I'm here for a purpose from God. You know, God saved me to save America.

Well, the thing is that in the ancient priesthood, the anointing, the priest had to be anointed, the blood had to touch his ear. The anointing, the blood touches his ear. Touches his, the, the the blood had to touch the right ear, touches his right ear. How to touch the tip of the right ear?

Touch the tip of the right ear. Next, the anointing had to, the blood had to touch. Okay, hold on, hold on. I think you're just making it up now. Folks, here's the good news. We're going to continue talking to Jonathan Kahn. The new book is The Avatar, and stay tuned. We'll be back.

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