The Eric Metaxas Show - Jonathan Cahn Reveals “The Avatar”: The Shocking Mysteries Uncovered (Continued)

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

Best-selling author Jonathan Cahn unveils the powerful revelations in his new book “The Avatar.” He explores hidden biblical mysteries, prophetic connections, and what they mean for America and the world today.

Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to listen to a man of grace, sophistication, integrity, and whimsy? Well, so are we. But until such a man shows up, please welcome Eric Mat, Texas. Welcome back talking to Jonathan Con. The book is The Avatar. Jonathan, you're sharing stuff. It's challenging because I want to slow down. It's almost like I want to chalkboard.

You said that in ancient Israel, when the priest was anointed, it involved blood. Yes. On his right ear. Yes. I don't know why I haven't heard more about that because I think I heard something about that. But that's a very big deal. A very big deal. Yeah.

And it's there. I mean, you can all see it open. It starts first the right ear. Then it has to touch his hand. First thing that Trump does is he brings up his hand to touch the blood on his ear. And the first thing, it's got to be his right hand. It's his right hand. Got to be the thumb.

First thing that goes up is his thumb. So now the last thing, that's number two. Last thing is the feed. Now we can't say what happened because the cameras weren't there. But interesting, what happens is he's forced down to the ground where the blood had spilled. And in order for that to happen, his shoes would have to be removed. Well, and by the way, and so he goes down, Trump's, we don't know how it happened. Trump's shoes are removed. And according to the anointing of the man who's going to serve the

Lord, he has to do, he has to do this, the ceremony, the shoes have to be removed. It's part of what has to be. So shoes are removed. Now, now there's so much more, but let me tell you one other thing here. That the anointing before, because I don't want my audience to miss this. Yeah. Some people already know this, but in case you don't know this, folks, when Trump went down. We don't know how it happened, but somehow his shoes came off. Like, I have no idea. We never got the details, but we do know that as he was standing up, he said, let me get my shoes. Yes. And so I really don't know what happened. But we know that somehow his shoes came off. So, all right. And that is part of the man who's going to serve the Lord's purposes. And by the way, it's got to have a shoes removed.

That's part of that ceremony can't happen without it. And in many commentaries, the priest is who's called the candidate for the priesthood, and he goes into the office of the priesthood. And the thing is, the entire marking of the man who's going to serve God takes seven days. At the seventh day, the priest is invested to become into the office. Well, here's the thing. When did this happen? Happened in Butler?

happened Saturday just before sundown. Now in Hebrew, July 13th. Yeah, and that's July, before sundown is the first day. Then sundown to sundown, biblical is the second day. You keep counting, sundown to sundown. When is the seventh day? The seventh day begins Thursday night. I believe it's July 18th, begins Thursday night. On that night is the night that Donald Trump receives the anointing, I'm sorry, the ordaining, the nomination, the invent to become, which is ultimately going to become the president of the United States. Seven days from the time that the blood touches his ear. He literally has the patch on his ear to remind you. But literally, and so, and here's the thing, Eric, the moment that happened,

he was going to become president. The moment it happened. God has a purpose. And what it also says is this, is that, you know, he marks whom he marks and he chooses whom he chooses. But there's a priestly part of of Donald Trump's being put in power. And the ultimate thing about the priest, the ultimate thing about the priest is to bring the nation back to God. You know, I don't want to, I don't want to forget to say this

because it just occurred to me. I never thought of this before. But throughout scripture, you know, I don't know who says that the angel or whatever, but, you know, take your shoes off. Yeah. Because you're standing on holy ground. it seems that if I don't know anything else, the fact that somehow his shoes come off.

Interesting. Because he's standing on holy ground. God has declared it holy ground. Yeah. Moment. It is holy ground. It's interesting. You just said that because, and I think about that.

That was Moses. And that's the beginning of him being called to serve God. He had to take his shoes off. The shoes had to be removed. I never thought of it. That's part of it. The shoes are removed before he can serve God, and this was God's marking. I would like to think that I have added something to the exegesis of Jonathan Con just now, folks.

Make a note of it. Get the timestamp. Get the timestamp. No, seriously, I never thought of that until working his conversation, but because it was an extraordinary moment. Yeah. On so many levels, it was an extraordinary moment. I mean, the blood on the ear, everything. And what I have said many times is that the bullet could have missed by 10 feet.

Yeah. The effect would have been the same. Donald Trump would not have been killed. Why did the Lord want the bullet to come that close? The Lord, for many reasons, some of which you're talking about, but it was also to show us, in a sense. Yeah. that God saved his life. We put us to know, you see what happened there?

Yeah. You see what happened there? Do you get it now? Yeah. And there's so much. And that's amazing. Absolutely. And another thing that goes with this, and it's like amazing, there's something,

Eric, on planet Earth, there is no image on Earth of someone from the Bible from the time that that person actually lived, except one. It's called the Black Abelisk. and on the black obelisk, you have a biblical figure who lived at the time of the black obelisk. And you know who it is? It's Jayhu. Listen, listen. I've talked about this.

In my book is atheism dead. Yes. I talk about archaeological evidence for the Bible as history. And one of the main things I write about is the black obelisk of Sheldon, F.R., which is what we're talking about. And I was in two summers ago, I was in the British Museum. I dragged my wife and daughter. I said, it's here. It's in the building. I want to show you. I want to show you again. And I dragged them to the black obelisk. And it is amazing to be able to with your own eyes to look at this thing.

Yeah. Yeah. It's extraordinary that you can see it in the British Museum. You know, it was covered in 1850. It exists. And it's extra biblical evidence of this king, Jehu. And it turns out to be Jayhu of all people. You know, and Jayhu. And in that, In that image, Jehu is kneeling down. Now, he's kneeling down because he's submitting. But nevertheless, he's kneeling down. This is the only image we have. When Trump, you know, Trump, the American Jayhu, when he was pushed down at the moment of Butler, they take a picture.

You probably may have seen it. The picture matches Jayhu. Here's the American Jayhu matching the ancient obelisk. He's down, bent over his head to the ground with his hands in between his head and the ground. Matt for the first time. And the ultimate thing is this, and this goes to one of your other questions, Eric, is that why all this stuff? You know, listen, God is on the throne and God has given us a reprieve. Just as Trump dodged the bullet, well, we've dodged a bullet. But it's not just so we can say we dodged a bullet. The thing is that we have a window of time. You see, if we change the government and we don't change the hearts of the people, the people are going to change the government back. And if we turn laws, but we don't turn people, the gods are coming back. So we've got a window that God gave us. And a window, but the only way, it can't just be governmental.

It's got to be revival. And we've got to pray for revival. It's the gospel. It is Jesus. That is the answer. And we all, we have to, as never before. I'm saying we cannot miss this moment. We've got to pray as never before.

We've got to work as never before. We've got to proclaim boldly and act. And we actually have to choose to live and reaffirm. We can't just talk about revival because he said, if my people, and I've literally, Eric, I've seen God change the course of this nation three times because of that scripture. But we have a window. We cannot miss it. This is the most critical time, most exciting time, but we have to rise to it.

That's the ultimate thing. Well, we've never seen anything like it. I mean, I think anybody, the older you are, and you and I are around the same age, there's nothing to compare to what we're seeing right now. This makes the Reagan revolution look like nothing. What we're going through right now is such a, you know, the secular term is it's a vibe shift. But it's not a secular thing, folks. That's secular people groping for language to describe something that is spiritual.

It's indescribable. It's undeniable. Everyone senses it, but they don't have the language. They don't know. When we come back, we'll continue to talk about all these things. I'm talking to Jonathan Kahn. The book is The Avatar. A major retail chain just canceled a massive order, leaving My Pillow with an overstock of the classic My Pillows, and this is your gain, because for a limited time, my pillow is offering their entire classic collection at true wholesale prices.

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Don't forget to use promo code Eric to grab your standard MyPillow for only 1798. only while supplies last. Welcome back talking to Jonathan. The book is The Avatar. Okay, Jonathan, one of the things you mention I see in the list here is the mystery of Atalia. I'm not familiar with that. What does that refer to?

Yeah, this is another side. You know, we spoke about the, you know, with Kamala Harris, the ultimate, which is this spiritual thing and the avatar, the concept of avatar. But the thing is that there is another, you know, when we talk about the template of kings and queens,

there's actually a flesh and blood prototype of her as well. And that is called in the template of Jehoram and all the rest, it's a queen called Atalia. Now, here's the thing. People don't realize this. Jezebel had a daughter. And the daughter followed the footsteps of Jezebel. And we talked about the American one, the leader who followed in Jezebel's footsteps,

which was Hillary Clinton. Well, politically, you know, there were all these articles saying, Hillary passes the torch to Kamala. Kamala Harris is going to, in that sense, follow the template of Atalia. So what do we know about Italia? Italia is born of the House of Ahab. She's actually, her family comes from the sea, by the sea, the West Coast. This is Jezebel as well.

West Coast. Kamala Harris is born on the West Coast, born in liberal, wokeism, Berkeley, San Francisco. She rises in San Francisco. and Italia, she comes to prominence by entering into a political marriage with the king of the South, whose name is Jehoram, who is the prototype of Joe Biden. So there's a political marriage, and that's what it was about back then. The House of Ahab marries into the House of Judah. And so you have Kamala Harris become in a political marriage with Joe Biden.

And so Italia was the number two of the land, you know, with Jehovah. She is the number two in the administration of a weak king. Again, we saw the king where there's border incursions, where there's defeat, where there's an attack on Israel, the guy who becomes enfeebled at the end. So that's her and Joe Biden. But the thing is, what happens with Italia is she seeks to take the throne for herself. Okay. So she seeks to become the number one.

So Kamala Harris gets in the position of seeking to become the president of the land. Now, Atalia comes to, you know, does that. She, she, her campaign, she kills the royal children. She has the blood of children on her hands. And so, including her own grandchildren. She kills the House of David. I mean, those she could. And so interesting, Kamala Harris, her main issue first ever was abortion, was the blood of children.

I mean, literally, when she was being anointed by the Democratic Party, outside the convention, they're literally performing abortions. I mean, we'll talk about blood. You know, Kamala Harris was so radical, people don't realize it. You know, she, as Attorney General in California, she warred against pro-life people. I mean, she tried to force pro-life people, pro-life pregnancy centers to send their people,

refer them, tell them about abortion clinics, until the Supreme Court overruled her. You know, I have to say, I know a little bit about this. And this is what's the conundrum, And this is what's so hard about following the news. Because on the one hand, you look at Kamala Harris, and she is a giggling non-entity. We have never in the history of presidential politics seen someone as ridiculous, as bad a candidate.

I mean literally never seen anything like her. Her level of incompetence and inability to speak clearly, to represent anything, is utterly unprecedented. On the other hand, because I think we dismiss people like that. We dismiss her. We dismiss Biden for being a jughead, useless, empty. And yet, and this is part of what you're talking about, they are vessels for evil. And she was, they opened themselves up to being the vessels of tremendous evil. And many people don't know, and you've been telling us about it. But she was. so bloodthirsty for abortion when she was in California. Yeah. She tried to jail someone that I've had on this program a number of times, David Delighton, went after him. Why?

Because he was telling the truth about abortion. And that's who Kamala Harris is. So she seems like a giggling nonentity. And yet she did extraordinary evil, most of it as you're telling us about abortion. Totally true. I mean, and on one hand, listen, it goes back also to the laughing goddess. I didn't tell you this. The goddess laughs while she brings destruction.

She laughs while she's drawing blood. It's called the awful, horrible laughing goddess. So she's laughing, but she's bringing destruction. And so exactly. And, by the way, at the same time, as exactly what you said, she not only, it's interesting, because Camelah, Italia, married into the house of Judah, interesting. So Kamala Harris actually married a Jewish man

who's from the lot who's from the people of Judah but also she waged war to destroy the house of David. She attacked the house of David. That was the royal children. And the thing is literally you just brought something up. She waged war against she she raided David Deliance, the guy's name is David. Part of the even the template. She raided the house of David. She attacked the House of David, so did Italia in the House of David.

Even that, even that. And here's the thing. She finally, she wages war not against the children, but those who try to protect the children. And the thing is that at the end, she's overthrown. What happens is they saved one child. That one child becomes, they anoint him as king when he's like seven years old. His name is Joash. She hears the sound.

It's in the temple. She goes to the temple. She sees it happening. They grab her. They take her outside. into the valley and she is killed. That's the end of Italia. But so her downfall begins in the temple,

in the temple. And then she's taken to the valley, Valley Kidron. Well, interesting, because on the first day of Kamala's campaign, she's nominated, she appears at an event with Tim Walts,

together first time. And it even then was a sign of the end because the place where they had it was called Temple. Temple has a university. And on the night of her election, she chooses to put her headquarters in Howard University.

Italia was overthrown at the temple courtyard, the yard of the temple. The place in Howard University where her headquarters was called the yard, and then she's taken out to the valley, it overlooks the place called the valley. I mean, so everything is there. It's bizarre. I mean, it's absolutely bizarre.

And I think a lot of people who are familiar with you and your books we would scratch our heads because you can't really deny it, but then you say, Lord, why do you do this? Why do you give us these patterns? I mean, that's fascinating to me. Yeah, because number one, God's on the throne. He's in charge.

And number two, he weaves everything together. And even when those things were happening thousands of years ago, he knew every event that's going to happen. And he tells us, and also it clarifies, this is good and this is evil. We are in a real war. It is a war. You know, sometimes we say it's a battle.

It's not a battle. It's a war. And we've always said that we need revival, that it's not enough that we have. Basically, the election of Donald Trump makes it possible for us to take the nation back. It only makes it possible. And what I keep saying is the church has to be the church. The church has to be activated. And there are many people who still don't get this.

say, oh, we just want to preach the gospel. It's like, well, wait a minute, you've got to live out your faith like disciples. You've got to make disciples. You've got to talk about what does it mean to be a Christian. And a lot of people don't really get that. Yeah. I still can't get over what you said about the mystery of Donald Trump that on the day of his birth, so in other words, just so people get that clear, every Friday at the beginning. beginning of every Jewish Sabbath, there is the scripture that's read. Yes. It's called a yearly, is that a yearly thing? It's a yearly cycle. There's also

another side, but it's a yearly cycle in every synagogue of the world. They're reading it. And so there's an appointed word for every weekend, you know, and every time of that. So Donald Trump, it was the trumpet. It's the producing of the trumpet. And so, and here's another thing, Eric, with that, is that when is the trumpet, you know, when does it, when does it lift it up and blown throughout the land. Well, it's the year of Jubilee is the year of the trumpet. Well, the year Jubilee comes 50 years after the last restoration, the last Jubilee, when Israel has a restoration. Well, the last prophetic restoration of Israel up to Donald Trump was the restoration of Jerusalem in 1967. This is a mystery of a Jubilee. It won't go into it, but it's every 50 years. Well, so when

was Trump lifted up? The Jubilee of that, 50 years, is 2017. That's the jubilee. The jubilee. The jubilee. of the restoration. So when is Trump lifted up? In the year of Jubilee, 2017, he has lifted up as president, and he sounds throughout the land. And when the trumpet sounds, everything returns to, you know, it restores what should be. He sounds, and that year issues the Jerusalem declaration, gives the legal right of Jerusalem to Israel. Everything is part of the mystery. Everything is under God. I, can you hang out for another segment? Because I want to talk to you. I want to talk to you about Israel, about the rise of anti-Semitism.

We haven't touched on that. Obviously, you don't get into that in the book. But honestly, we're living in crazy time. The raw anti-Semitism that I've seen, just when I post something positive about Israel or Jews, the filth that comes at me, it's utterly evil. When we come back more with Jonathan Kahn. Welcome back, folks, talking to Jonathan Khan.

Jonathan, in the next segment, I want to talk to you about the anti-Semitism that I referenced that's going on right now. But before we go to that, you said there was something in your book that refers to Fidel Castro in the new book, The Avatar. Yes. Yeah. At the beginning, and I just, again, whatever I do, guys, you know, I'm doing my best thing, but I can just give a taste of it because at the beginning I was in all different. lands, you know, India, you know, Brazil, Nigeria, and Cuba, and every time I saw this phenomenon of the gods and the spirits that actually the Bible speaks about. And one of them was Cuba. I was asked to go to Cuba to, you know, Fidel Castro dictator, opened up the island for one month for the gospel. And I was asked to go there and open it up, open up this one month by sounding again, that show far, you know. So I did, was it? Was it? This was around 2000.

similar to the time of India. Yeah. And so I'm sounding the shofar through that, and I'm ministering the gospel. I'm in a city in the east, in the Orientes, and somebody comes off the road and says, I mean, off the street says, I have to talk to the Jewish guy. He said, we, the believers of Cuba,

we were going up to the mountains, and we were praying, and said, the spirit told us, there's a curse on this island, and part of that's linked to what we did to the Jewish people, and a Jewish people have to come back, or a Jewish person has to come back, part of the break into the curse. And he says, there's a mountain over the city, and he says, it's a cursed mountain.

They worship the gods there, the idols, they perform sacrifices and curses. And God's told us, the Spirit told us that curse is going to break and it's going to turn into a blessing. Now, before I tell you what happened, let me just tell you, in Cuba, even though it's communist, it's, it's, it's Santa Rhea all over the island. Santa Rhea is basically worshiping gods in disguise. They worship the saints, but the saints are just names. for African gods. It's demonic. Let's be clear. It's demonic. It's demonic. Santaia is

demonic and it uses the kind of covering of Catholic saints. It is, it is demonic. Exactly. Exactly. And it's all over the, it's all over the Western Hemisphere. And the thing is that Cuba was under this, even under Castro. An interesting thing is one of the, you know, we talk about avatars and people doing things without knowing. One of those gods, those, those Santerian gods, is called Chango. Castro is paralleling his god. He is a god who smokes a cigar. He's known for his cigars.

He deposes the king before him, takes over, becomes a tyrant over the land. When Castro died and they interred him and they had a day of mourning in Cuba, the day fell on the day of Chango, the worship of Chango. There's so much war, but even that, even Castro was linked. By way, Chango calls down

fire to destroy his enemies. Well, you know that Castro sought the Soviet Union to actually all actually bring fire on America to, you know, during that Cuba. He wanted to destroy America, actually. But there's so much. But so this is all over Cuba. But so I go, I said, you know, he tells me about that mountain, curse mount. So I said, we got to go up the mountain. So I go up the mountain next day. I have a show far with me. We're going to pray. Go up to the top. There's a pavilion house where they're all the gods and the idols. A man standing in front of the house and he calls out to me and he says, It sounds like he's saying Jonathan.

I said, I don't know the guy. The guy comes over, he says, I've been waiting for you. And he's holding in his hand a ceramic plate. On the ceramic plate is a painting of me, sounding the shofar. And I had brought up a shofar trumpet to the top of that mountain. He says, no, no, I'm a Christian. He says, God told me to paint this painting, this image. He said, he must have seen me, an image of me.

He puts it there. He says, and put the plate into the house of the gods. He does it. That night, the leather strap breaks apart. The plate comes down, strikes the head of the idol, the chief god of Cuba, whose name is O'Chun. The next morning, I mean, talk about the Bible. People say, well, that's just, that's just legend. No, no. God is real. The worshippers come to their house. They open up the house of the gods. They find their chief God on the floor with her, crown removed literally next to it some Jewish guy that's played and she was struck just where the shofar, the, by the shofar in the image, she struck her head. Well, they took it as a sign and the word came down the mountain. How else would you take it? I mean, it sounds like you're making it up, except I know that you wouldn't make it up. This is crazy. I have the plate, Eric, I have the plate of my house, you know. And the thing is that that and, and they said people started coming in the city, bringing their idols, and they brought them to churches telling the pastor, smash our idols, we heard what happened on the mountaintop, and revival broke forth in the city.

God is real. This is all real. I mean, this is, that is, you know, almost unbelievable. And it's true. But again, I know you don't make stuff up. No. I mean, the fact that you go to this mountain, and this is over 20 years ago that this was happening. But it keeps going. And by the way, every time, and then I'm not going to go, I won't go into the detail for time, but then God led me, he took me to Nigeria, which is the source of all these gods, and we had another showdown we're like this, miraculous. God is real. There are the gods or the spirits, and there's God, and we're dealing with it here as well. But it's real. I think what's interesting to me, Jonathan, is that, you know, you and I have grown up in a very secular culture, but most

people in their bones know there's something, the spiritual thing has to be real. There has to be. I mean, just the way people believe in ghosts and they're, they, they, There is something. And what we're trying to do, of course, is trying to give people the vocabulary to say, yes, you're right. This stuff is real. Every culture in the world knows there are these forces. And apart from God, they are dark forces and they're real. And God wants to use us, you know, to pray against them and to stand against them and to smash these idols built to them.

So this is all very, very important. All right. When we come back, folks, Jonathan and I are going to talk about just, for a moment about this plague of anti-Semitism that we are seeing. We'll be right back. Jonathan, just for this segment, folks, I'm talking to Jonathan Con. Jonathan,

I just want to talk to you about this horror that we're seeing. where so many people are talking against Israel. Now, again, you know, if Israel, it's kind of like if President Trump does something I disagree with, I'm free to say something about it. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about all of these voices attacking Israel, in some cases, attacking the Jews. It's really unbelievable.

And you've been talking about it yourself. So say a little bit about what you see is going on with Candace Owens and others. What do you make? Yeah. Even infecting now, you know, in the right wing. You know, we've seen it totally in the left wing now. But now this, yeah, this is, listen, this is an amazing thing. And talk about the reality and the truth of the Bible, because if we were around a thousand years ago,

we'd also see this hatred of the Jewish people or Israel. If we were around 2,000 years ago, we'd see it as well. This never ends. It is ancient because the Bible, first, of all, the Bible says there is a war. If the Jewish, it's ultimately a spiritual, if the Jewish people are on earth to fulfill God's purposes, which they are, whether they know it or not, and there's an entity in the world that exists to destroy God's purposes, you know right there that you're going to have a war and the Jewish people are going to be the most hated people,

most vilified people, slandered people, not just in one generation, but every single generation, not just one land, every land, and not just for one reason. The reason that, the reason reasons keep changing. The communists hated the Jews. You know, the capitalist said they're communists, you know, the liberal, Hitler hate, the Muslims, it doesn't matter. So the thing is that this is an ancient sickness. It's an ancient toxic poison that comes from the dragon. Revelation 12. The dragon tries to destroy the woman. Well, the thing is, it can happen. It's not a matter of the left or the right. It can happen in anything and anywhere. And it's always ready to rear its head. So now we're seeing it, you know, Candice Owens and

and, you know, and others. We're seeing it begin to try to kind of infiltrate into the conservative movement because, listen, the conservatives of America and Christians of America are the strongest ally of Israel. And America is still an ally of Israel, and Christians have a major, they're a major part of that. So if the enemy can separate that, he can separate Israel from any support. So that is why we are dealing with what we have seen for ages. it comes in a new form. Anti-Semitism, you know, it's a light sleeper.

It always comes back. It might be sleeping for a little bit. It's always going to come back. Well, what we have to say, first of all, is that the enemy, Satan hates whatever God loves. Yep. Satan hates those who love God. And so we have to be clear, if you're a serious Christian,

yeah, Satan hates you, and the persecution of Christians around the world, Let's be clear about that, too. The persecution of Christians is off the charts. They are being murdered around the world, and the news doesn't cover it. Christians are being murdered around the world. And again, it's only serious Christians, folks. It's only people that strongly identify.

We're not just talking about Gentiles. The hatred of Jews, what I find interesting about people like Candace Owens is that they make these strange arguments that the Jews of today are not the wrong. real Jews. And I think myself, well, then why did the Nazis try to exterminate them? Why did Hamas murder them? Because they don't care about the details or the bloodlines. They say, are you a Jew? You're a Jew. Okay. We hate you. We want to kill you. So it's very strange that people get into these Baroque arguments about the bloodlines and they're really Khazars or whatever. lunacy. It's so strange to me.

Yeah, and this goes with the whole thing. It's never rational. You know, for 2,000 years, the Jewish people were persecuted for being the Jewish people. Now they want to persecute them for not being the Jewish people. You know, and this whole cause of our thing has been debunked many times over. No, the Jewish, you know, listen, I said, if the Jewish people aren't the Jewish people, then who are they? And then who are the Jewish people? Because you had millions of Jewish people in ancient times. Did they just go to another planet and do these other people just come down? We're clearly...

And Jonathan, we've got to say, one way we know who the Jews are is those are the ones that Hamas wants to kill. Those are the ones that the Nazis wanted to kill. That's how you know who the Jews are. The ones that the other people want indiscriminately to murder and wipe off the face of the earth. I think those are the Jews. Yes. Yeah.

And by default, you see, you can see it either way, you know, the history of the Jewish people bears witness that God exists. Because if God didn't exist, they wouldn't exist. Number two, it also bears witness that the enemy exists. Because it's not an accident. I mean, just look, let's say, Eric, we're from another planet, and we're looking at this planet, and we're saying, wait a minute,

there's something strange going on here. Why is this people? Why is this land? So why is this book? Why is this so peculiar? Why is the whole world against it? You know there's something going on. And it's exactly what we would expect. And the Bible also says it. You know, in the end times, Israel is going to come

back in the world. All nations will come against it. It's all there. Messiah's going to come. Jesus is going to come. Not because everything is going to be peaceful and everybody's going to love the Jewish people. So this is all in line with what the Bible says. I mean, it's exactly in line with it. And this is just so it shouldn't surprise us, even though it could shock us. It's all part of this, this temple. It's all part of this spiritual war that God clearly says in the Bible. And it's what we'd expect. We just got a minute in this segment. But why, you know, when when the Bible says, we should stand with Israel. People like Tucker Carlson, they don't really get that.

And they say, what does that mean? I've got to stand with this modern nation state of Israel. What is it after, you know, is the Bible telling me that? What do you believe the Bible is saying? When the Bible says, we are to stand with Israel. What do they mean? Yeah, and Tucker calls, well, those will sometimes say, well, it's not the state of Israel. Well, no, listen, back then the state of Israel was Israel.

And it's Israel plus all the children of Israel all around the world. That you can't divorce it. But that doesn't mean you have to agree. with everything any more than you agree with your family or you agree with Trump. You don't have to agree with everything, but it means you're supporting it. You're standing for the right for the right to exist. You're praying for them. It says, I, you know, pray for the peace of Jerusalem. It'll prosper. It says, bless them. I will bless those who bless you. Bless them, you know, bless them with a gospel, bless them with help. We are standing. We are, if you're a believer, you are a spiritual Israelite,

and you are grafted in. And so we are one, we are still, we are one. And there'll be a time and it all comes together in Jesus. But so until then, we've got to stand for what God says. Well, that's the thing that I've been talking about lately, the fact that we are grafted in. If you love Jesus, you have been grafted in. You are, you know, effectively Jewish. You are effectively of Israel.

Yes. If you believe in Jesus, the Jewish Messiah, you're worshiping the Jewish God. He becomes your God. It's amazing. We'll be back. A final segment talking about Jonathan Kahn's brand new book, The Avatar. Welcome back. We've been talking to our friend, Jonathan Kahn, about his brand new book, The Avatar.

Jonathan, it's just, it's astonishing stuff. It's astonishing stuff. It is encouraging stuff. I'm very encouraged. And I do believe God has marked America for his purposes and that he is warring for his, purposes, that he has his people praying for his purposes. I believe that Donald Trump surviving, that attempt to kill him, was a sign from God that God's hand is with us. Now, we have to do our part. That's always the thing. If we do our part, if the church is the church, and I am hopeful, I'm cautiously optimistic, what do you suppose could happen next? I mean, what could happen in 2028, for example. Yeah, well, even, you know, we have, right now, we have a window that God gave us.

And we have to, we have to not miss it. We can't waste it. We got to go full blast. There could be revival. You know, that's the final thing. You know, again, you know, the government changed, institutions change, even the woke agenda, but that's still not the heart. The heart is the spiritual thing.

And America exists for the purpose of God. And we are his people. We got to pray for it. Listen, pray that God has his way with Donald Trump. I mean, total. I mean, you know, God's been doing it. God's been drawing him. He didn't plan this. It's been drawing him. There's a higher purpose. So to pray that he can be used and the government can be used for revival and we doing our part as his people. So if there's revival, it changes everything. I mean, that is the heart. And that will also make the changes that have happened permanent, at least for now. So this could be the greatest sound. Look in the Bible. When we look at the Bible and look at the King's Hezekiah. and Josiah, they were agents of revival.

That was what revival looked like. They drove back the gods. They smashed the altars of Ishtar and Bail and Moloch. Well, we've been doing that. Trump has been doing that, smashing the altars. But there was revival. People came to him. So we just have to go, this is our day.

This is our moment. This is our job. It could be our greatest hour if we rise to it. And that's the big if, if my people. Who is after Jehu in the scripture? And it is, if things go well, who's next? Well, okay, after Jehu are the sons of Jehu. And so you do have political sons of the American Jehu right now.

But here's the thing. We got to pray for better than that because we don't know when Jayh – this is the big if. When Jayhu was there, we don't know that there was revival. And after a while, when Jayhu was gone, things went continued, went south. So we have to pray that it's better than Jehu right now. We have to pray that Trump is better than that, and that the time is better. This is the big if. We knew God's people were involved with Jehu's rise.

We don't know what they did afterwards. We have to be that people. I think that's the question. And again, that's what I talk about on this program a lot. And in the speeches I give around the country, that the church has to rise up and be the church. And that means living out our faith. It doesn't mean practicing our little private faith.

It means living out our faith in every realm, which a lot of people don't get that. A lot of people have a very, parochial, fussy theological kind of faith that doesn't impinge on the world around us. And that's not the way it works, folks. The United States of America was founded by people who understood we are living out biblical principles. We're going to be a covenant nation. We're going to have no king but Jesus. This is radical in history. There's never been a country in the history of the world, unless you go back to ancient Israel, like the United States of America.

So as we close, I would simply say, I am hopeful. Jonathan, just always a joy to talk to you. Is there a website for the book? Yeah, well, actually, the avatar is just coming out now. Looks like this. It's everywhere. If you go online right now on Amazon or any place, you'll see. Just make sure it says this.

It says the avatar, the return. It's not the movie, the return of the ancients. But I pray it so it'll be everywhere. It's also going to be in Walmart. It's going to be in stores. But I pray you get it, not just for yourself, get it for people in your life who need to wake up, who need to know Christian and non-Christian. And as, yeah.

Okay, I'm sorry, we're out of time. Jonathan, God bless you. Thank you.