The Eric Metaxas Show - J.S. Shelton and Deborah Flora

Episode Date: April 28, 2022

J.S. Shelton shares from his book, "Unmuzzled: Escaping Sexual Sin"; and Deborah Flora highlights an important film all parents need to see, "Whose Children Are They?", at SalemNOW.com. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Folks, welcome to the Eric Metaxus show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m.investments.com. That's legacy p.m. Investments.com. Taxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Hey, folks, it's the Eric McTaxis show. I'm excited right now because I get to talk to Jeremy Shelton. He goes by J.S. Shelton.
Starting point is 00:00:38 He's written a book titled, Are you ready? unmuzzled, escaping sexual sin, Satan's grip on men. Josh McDowell, whom I revere, says every man should read this book. Every man, including Leah Thomas. And here's my guest, Jeremy. Jeremy, welcome to the program. Hey, glad to be here, Eric. Okay, so we've got to go to the beginning.
Starting point is 00:01:06 How, I mean, there's really, there are very few topics that are. more important that are more central to human life than what you write about in this book. What was it that led you to write this book in particular? Yeah, Eric, that was my struggle. I struggled with sexual immorality most of my young life. See, that's where we differ. I never had a problem in that area. Now, listen, most men, this is where we are.
Starting point is 00:01:35 We live in an age, suffused in, you know, sexual imagery. We're living in an ugly time. And so the reason I'm glad you wrote the book is because everybody's trying to figure out how do I deal with this. And so you, first of all, you experienced it. So I guess that's what you mean. Right. And it was my struggle all the way up into my marriage. But I was a believer.
Starting point is 00:02:01 I was a God-fearing man. And I still struggled with it. And so I went on a mission to find out what the Bible actually. actually says on how we conquer this. And were you raised in the church, or were you raised as a Christian? I was. But now you're not officially in ministry. When I say officially, I'm not officially in ministry, but we're the kind of guys that believe,
Starting point is 00:02:27 like, what does that even mean? We're supposed to live our lives in ministry, whether we call it that or not, to God's glory. And so is this the first book that you have written? Yes, sir. And, okay, so yeah, so this is. This is such a big topic. So what is your, you know, how do we start? How do we start talking about this?
Starting point is 00:02:48 Yeah. So when I would go to church, I thought I was the only guy struggling. As a young man, as an adult, and into my marriage, I thought I was the only guy that's in church, praising the Lord, studying the Bible that we're struggling until I started asking around. And I realized most men are struggling. And so that's what led me to write the book. And I think we want to be honest, too, here, the lie that we shouldn't be struggling with sin, that we're we are broken. The only question is the details. How broken, in what way are you broken? Some people struggle with same-sex attraction. Some people, God forbid, are attracted to children. Some people are
Starting point is 00:03:32 I mean, everybody has some level of brokenness. And we need to be honest about that. And it's one of the reasons I want to have you on, Jeremy, is because it's important that we're honest about this. We are all messed up. If you don't get that, you don't get the good news of Jesus Christ. You miss it if you somehow think that we're not dealing with this. But where did you go from there? In other words, now you understand, okay, I'm not the only one. There are a lot of people dealing with this. Okay. So I'm normal in being broken, but I'm supposed to be a Christian. I'm supposed to, God is supposed to create a way for me to overcome my brokenness, to heal my brokenness. Yes. And so where did I go from there? I did everything the church would put forward.
Starting point is 00:04:23 All the, all the freedom ministry, the healing options, the accountability. And I realized none of it was working until I went to the word and started reading the word, Genesis to Revelation. And that's where I discovered one of the biggest downfalls of these great men in the Bible that we read about was sexual immorality. And so I went through the word and said, well, God, are we just supposed to deal with this and cope with it the rest of our lives? Or do you actually call us to conquer this? And I started asking around, and I realized not many people were conquering it. They were more coping with it. And so as I dug into the word, Eric, I found that God actually expects us to be pure.
Starting point is 00:05:14 And you look at the word purity. I mean, that means perfection. And so I went on a mission. I'm either going to believe in this book and sell out to it, the Bible, or I'm not. And that's where I was. And that's where the message of unmuzzled came from. There is a message in the Bible that is plain as day that God exists. expects us to conquer and he gives us the directives to do so. And what's sad is the church today
Starting point is 00:05:40 is sidestirting it, is shoving it under the rug. I mean, look at what is in our news today right now on sexual scandal in the church. Hill Song, Church, right now. Okay, well then, I mean, what I meant to ask you before I even asked you, what I've asked you is the title, unmuzzled. Why is the book titled Unmuzzled? Yeah, I started noticing that men were passive in the church. You know, if we are sons of the creator, the high king, why are men so passive? Why are Christian men so passive in the church and leadership? Why are men's ministries so weak?
Starting point is 00:06:28 A lot of churches don't even have a men's ministry. And I started realizing that men that are in sexual, of sin are muzzled. And the muzzle is an imagery where you can't cry out to the Lord when you're in sexual bondage. You can't pick up the Bible and eat the spiritual food it has if you're muzzled. And you definitely can't as a pastor or a leader go call it out on another man if you're muzzled. And I relate it to the three reasons you'd muzzle a dog. You're preventing it, you're preventing it from eating. People muzzle dogs to prevent it from eating sometimes. Maybe it has an operation coming up and they can't eat. And you can't eat the spiritual food in the Bible.
Starting point is 00:07:10 You can't bark. You know, the enemy muzzles us to keep us from barking or praising our wives or being the spiritual leader of our home. And you definitely can't bite. You can't go out and grab hold of another man who is heading toward the slaughter. Okay. That's, man, this is interesting. So, all right. So let's cut to the chase so then we can get into it. What is the, what is your answer to this? Because it is a kind of a conundrum. When you talk about, you know, defeating this, I think most people are happy if they can manage it. I mean, it's no different than anything. Unforgiveness or whatever like that. I don't think at some point you're like, I'm good. I don't have to deal with, you know, hating people who
Starting point is 00:07:57 hurt me or praying for the, like that's, on some level, it's an ongoing thing. But what do you mean when you say that? Yeah, you said the word. We as believers, and most men in the church today are looking at pornography. When I say most, there's studies out there that Josh McDowell did, that Barnard Research did. 68 to 70 percent of church-going men look at pornography at least once a month. Okay, we know that's true. We know it's wrong. What are we supposed to do about it? Yeah, we don't manage it. And that's where we're at today. We don't do sin management in this area. In 1 Corinthians 618, it says it's the only sin that's against our flesh. We're plainly told in the Bible that sexual sin is a one-of-a-kind sin.
Starting point is 00:08:44 And so there's nowhere in the word that says we manage it or cope with it. And so is it possible for a man to be sexually pure? And the book is written to men, Eric, but women are struggling at an alarming rate today. So if you say the answer is yes, then the question, is how. Yeah. Do we as believers actually believe the Bible is a living spoken word of God? And if so, is it possible that he clearly instruct us in his Bible how? And he does. And the first directive he gives us is to stay away. We're told that we will never be fireproof against temptation. Jesus was tempted when he walked the earth,
Starting point is 00:09:29 but we are clearly instructed to stay away. That's directed number one. This is huge, and I love that you went there. We're going to go to a break, but I just want to say that right there is huge. It's like trying to quit smoking, and you've got a pack of cigarettes in your pocket. That's not going to work.
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Starting point is 00:12:22 Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to the author, J.S. Shelton, he lets me call him Jeremy, of a book called Unmuzzled, escaping sexual sin, Satan's grip on men. So the question, Jeremy, is how? And you said the first thing is avoidance. In other words, if you are putting yourself in a place where you're being tempted, you're already going to lose. You need to be, you need to figure out a way, practically speaking, I said before it's kind of like with quitting cigarettes. If you have a problem with alcohol,
Starting point is 00:12:56 you don't hang around with people drinking alcohol. If you have a problem with alcohol, you don't go to a bar and say, but I'm not going to drink tonight. Like you have to be really proactive. And I guess you're saying that a lot of people don't seem to understand that. Well, we don't. We've been, we've been lied to as believers, leaders and pastors that we're supposed to be healed from this, that if you're sexually immoral, you need physical healing. And it's possible that you can live on this earth as temptation proof. Nowhere in the Bible is that true. And then we're lied to that say, oh, men, you need to get an accountability group. You know, once you get accountability, you'll be healed. You talk to any man
Starting point is 00:13:42 who's maintained a long-term accountability partner, and you'll find they continue to struggle with sexual temptation and sin. They confuse their confession for sin for freedom from sin. And so when you talk about finding a way to stay away from it, that's the biblical directive. Eric, in today's world, you're going to get persecuted for staying away, the way we're called to stay away.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Okay, how we call the stay away. What do you mean? every form of sexual temptation in your life, we are called biblically to stay away from it. That means the movies you watch, the commercials you watch, the music you listen to, the venues you go to. I mean, Eric, today, you can't go to some venues without being sexually tempted. I mean, I'll take it even into the church. You can't go to some churches without the way the women dress there without being tempted. Tremendous lack of wisdom, I have to say, the older I get, the more I see, just tremendous lack of wisdom and discernment on the part of all kinds of people.
Starting point is 00:14:49 And it's not just women, because, you know, if you're married to someone, it might be his role to say, honey, you know what? I don't think you should wear that. Now, it's interesting because that's what we're supposed to do in marriage for each other. We're supposed to have each other's backs. We're supposed to do that if we're parents for our kids. Like, no, no, no, you don't understand. And they may not understand, but you're expressing something because you want to help them, because you care about them. And it really is interesting.
Starting point is 00:15:18 You're right. There are some churches where I walk in and I go, where's the wisdom? Like, these might be good people, but they lack wisdom in this area. They really, it's just obvious, kind of. Correct. I mean, Proverbs 5.8 says this, stay away from her doorstep. It's talking about the doorstep of a harlot Because in the biblical days, if you went into the public square, you knew who the harlot was
Starting point is 00:15:46 Because she stood at her doorstep and she was adorned. All the other women were covered up. And so we are just so ignorant today in our world. I mean, the Bible says the world hates us. I'm not preaching to the world. If you're an unbeliever listening, I hope you'll at least pick up the word. maybe pick up this book and see what it has to say, but I'm preaching to believers. Well, it's interesting because I really do think that, again, you know, there are churches
Starting point is 00:16:17 that get this and there are other churches that don't get this. But part of the problem that we're living in right now is we're living in a time where many in the church are obsessed with like being hip, with being cool, relevant. I mean, it just makes me want to, you know, gag because it's so stupid. it's like fifth grade. But, and you understand, like, that can come from a good place. I understand that idea. But at the same time, the real problem is the opposite.
Starting point is 00:16:46 In other words, the problem is not legalism. Like everybody in our churches, you know, the women are wearing bonnets. And it's like we're acting as though that's the issue and we need to push against it. But in fact, as time has passed, just the opposite is true. Correct. I mean, I'll say it again. We are witnessing real time right now, one of the biggest churches in the world. That was their angle.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Let's be an act like the world to attract people. And now we just had Brian Houston, the senior pastor of Hillsong, stepped down over sexual allegations. I'm not really clear on what happened there. so I have to plead ignorance because half the time I'm trying to avoid news. But we know that that happened in New York City a few years ago with the head of Hillsong here. Correct. And you're saying that that kind of comes out of a culture where the church is genuinely being worldly. Maybe they don't set out that way, but that's what it ends up being.
Starting point is 00:17:57 And then the fruit is this brokenness. Yeah, I mean, it's what Diedrich Bonhoeffers called cheap grace or grace without Jesus Christ. We have so misunderstood the blood of Jesus Christ and the grace that comes from that. We misuse it and misappropriate it to excuse our lifestyle so we can just live it up in this world. We've taken the word blessed and confuse it for wealth. You know, if you're wealthy and you're doing good and everything's just going great in your life, well, God's favor is upon you. And why that may be true, we have gotten so far away from the actual blood of Jesus Christ and the grace that comes from that.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Grace is not there to excuse us. It's there to empower us and transform us. So when we talk about, we only have a few minutes left, and I want to make sure we get to this. So the first thing is to get away from anything that can. cause you to stumble, which seems like common sense. But it's clear most people aren't doing that. They're not taking that that seriously. So that's the first thing. What else can men do? Yeah, the other biblical directive, most Christians will recognize it, and it's flee. If you get near a fire or you're approaching or being pulled into a fire, it's just a knee-jerk
Starting point is 00:19:24 reaction that we're supposed to have to stay away from it. But if we're getting it, we're supposed to run from it. And that's what the Bible tells us. If you find yourself in temptation, run, flee away from it because it's like a ticking time bomb. You only have seconds before your flesh is penetrated. And he goes back to 1st Corinthians 618. It's the only sin in the Bible that's against our flesh. Say more about that. Yeah. First Corinthians 618, every sin, a man commits is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality is against his own flesh. And if you study it, it's a self- incapacitating sin. It's almost like sinking in quicksand. You know, it's why men who glance at a woman jogging by or in an airport and admire her beauty end up tripping all over themselves in pornography a day.
Starting point is 00:20:29 or two later or that night, because you allow that lust to penetrate your flesh, and then you wonder why you can't get free from your temptation, or you end up doing something outside your marriage bed that you shouldn't do. It's because the Bible tells us it's against our flesh, and it's like a fiery dart, Eric, if you let it hit you, that lust infiltrates and takes over you entirely. I'm talking folks to the author of unmuzzled J.S. Shelton, Josh McTalas, says every man should read this book. This really, you know, our thought lives, that's not something we can escape from. And so it is, this is really central. And I think you're right that what happens is that if people struggle in this area, it causes them to kind of
Starting point is 00:21:18 have this guilt that keeps them muzzled, as you were saying. And this is, it's just really powerful. We've just got about a minute left, Jeremy. What else do we need to know about this subject? The book is unmuscled. Yeah, I'd like to speak to the leaders of churches all over the world. There should be an alarm going off, a fire alarm going off. And we need to get together and we need to admit sin. You know, Eric, I think most men are struggling in the church because most pastors and leaders in the church are struggling. And you just can't give what you don't have. If you are not conquering this sin and living a pure lifestyle, how can you teach others to do that? And there's hidden sin all over the world in churches, and it's becoming more of a pandemic than we've ever seen in our entire
Starting point is 00:22:17 lifetime. Well, it's extraordinarily important. And I do think that, you know, to be a genuinely manly man, you need to be sexually continent. You need to be somebody that respects women the way God wants us to. That's what it is to be a real man. So there's a lot here. I'm sorry we're at a time, but J.S. Shelton, congratulations on the book. Unmuzzled, very important subject. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you, Eric. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis and they have no clue. how to fix it. Oil prices have skyrocketed, and when oil prices go up, the cost of transportation and shipping spikes leading the prices of goods to rise. And when we're already seeing record inflation,
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Starting point is 00:24:21 watching. Is there anything worth watching? Is there a film out there? And you also hear me talk a lot lately, because I'm on the Salem Radio Network, about SalemNow.com. Well, on SalemNow.com right now, there is a film that I highly recommend that you watch. It is called Whose Children Are They? That's what we call a rhetorical question. They're your children. But I have one of the producers, makers of the film, Parents United, founder Deborah Flora, as my guest to discuss the film. Welcome. Thank you so much, Eric. It's great to be here with you and I. I really appreciate your having to get the word out.
Starting point is 00:25:03 Well, listen, we got to get the word out because this is extremely important. I'm just doing a little radio program. You were part of making a film. So tell us the story, Deborah, because the question whose children are they, it kind of says it all. We all remember the nightmare. of the level of ignorance that the man running for governor in Virginia, that he dared out of his mouth say something as nakedly preposterous
Starting point is 00:25:32 as we can't let parents, you know, get involved in what their kids are. And you thought to yourself, what? That's like right out of communism. That's like it just doesn't even, it's not even possible that Americans would think that much less would run for office and would come out of their mouth. So whose children are they, obviously, we know the answer, but we need to look into this. So you made a film. So what led you to make this film?
Starting point is 00:25:58 And congratulations. Thank you so much, Eric. You know, you hit the nail in the head. The title, Whose Children Are They, really is about this intersection that we're facing right now between Marxism and freedom, you know, founded on our Judeo-Christian principles, what everyone intrinsically knows, versus the Marxist idea when he said that from the moment a child could be without their mother's care, they'll be. be in the care of the state. That's what's being reflected, both in the Virginia governor, you know, McColliffe and his conversation about that, but also what's going in our school system. So how this came about is about three and a half years ago I founded parents United America because I was one of many parents that got my dander up when I realized they were
Starting point is 00:26:38 shoving comprehensive sex ed through. We testified against it. I helped introduce sex ed curriculum transparency legislation. It went to the Kill Committee. And what we realized, and my background is also as a filmmaker, is what we needed to do was to drag this all into the light, do have an awakening for parents. And that began to happen during COVID, but we'd already been working on this project. And, you know, Eric, you're such a student of history.
Starting point is 00:27:04 You know that many movements never reach the tipping point. Many movements get to a point and then they just dissipate. We made this documentary because we want to make sure that this parent uprising reaches the tipping point where real change happens, and that comes from parents and grandparents concerned citizens, knowing what is actually going on in our schools. Well, that's very well put. The website for you, Parents United America, is that it?
Starting point is 00:27:32 Well, it is. It's parentsignana America.org, but where I encourage everyone to go to is whose children are they.com, and that'll take you to the Salem screening, because this is what I've been working on now for two years with Parents United America, as well as helping flip school boards and get the word out in other ways also. Well, I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, Deborah, how much it means to me that you and those with you are working on this. This is a battle for the soul of America. There's no hyperbole in that. It is not less than, as I said earlier, astonishing that we could come to a place. You know, it's one thing for a callo-AOC to mouth off some
Starting point is 00:28:14 preposterous Marxist idea. But for somebody like Terry McColliffe, who, you know, was a stalwart in the party with the Clintons going back decades, for someone to reach that level where they could be governor of a major state and be so ignorant of the basics. It's like saying, who's to say if one plus one is two or three? You would say, excuse me, no one, no one questions that. How can you question that? And then by the way, who are you? And then we find out, oh, you're running for governor of the state. It's just one of those things where, as you say, it's a tipping point, or it needs to be a tipping point,
Starting point is 00:28:51 because you cannot have an America if people in America don't understand the basics. The basics are the parents get to teach their kids. And I mean, I think, so in the film, because I want to interview you for a second segment, but we'll just probably be able to air this one today, what will people see in this film if they go to salem now.com and look at whose children are they? Yes, absolutely. So what they're going to see is a comprehensive expose that ties everything together for too long. Many people think, oh, it's just one story in Oregon about eliminating standards, or it's a story over here about sex education, or another story in another city about gender fluid eating kindergarten or the CRT.
Starting point is 00:29:36 what we chose to do because we knew that it is a systemic issue, the right use of the word systemic, by the way, that this is going on in all of these areas in our schools. And it is comprehensive. And those who are behind it actually are the teachers unions and their ideological partners. This has been going on for a long time ever since John Dewey, the father of modern education in the 20s, who was an honorary president of the teachers unions. He helped form many of the teachers' colleges. And he was a fan of the Soviet-style education. He was a communist. So this has been a long march in this direction. And we tie it all together. So people who watch know, it's not just one thing. It is all connected. And then we talk about what we can do about it because there's so much we can do. And honestly, it will take a lot less to flip this around because the most passionate stakeholders in this, parents, grandparents, concerned citizens will stand up and not go back to We've got, folks, if you don't get involved, it's on you. This is absolutely crucial.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Please go to whose children are they.com. Whose children are they dot com? And we'll talk to Deborah more in the next couple of days. Let go sail on the sea if I could fly like birds on high. Hey folks, if you listen to this program, of course, you've heard me talk at infinitum about my pillow and my friend Mike Lindell. Well, Mike has just announced that you will receive one of his books and the book is next level insane. It is called What Are the Odds from Crack Addict to CEO? It's his story. You will receive it absolutely free with any purchase using the
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Starting point is 00:32:48 which is why I'm so excited that there are people like my guest right now, Deborah Flora, making films and getting the word out about what is happening. Deborah, welcome back. Thank you, Eric. It's great to be back with you. I really appreciate it. I'm, look, thrilled to have you and thrilled to get the word out about the film. I want to tell people right out of the gate. It's whose children are they?
Starting point is 00:33:11 You can find it at SalemNow.com, where you can find a ton of great. film, Salemnow.com, or just go to whose children are they.com. How is it, Deborah, because you're behind this film and you're an expert on this at this point. How did it come to be that teachers' unions became radical leftists? When did it happen that they were anything but, you know, a teacher's union? They're worried about the wages or worried about, you know, teachers being treated fairly. when did they become a politically activist organization at war with the parents of the kids they're supposed to be teaching? You know, Eric, that's such an important question because the reality is this movie is pro-teacher,
Starting point is 00:33:54 pro-parent, pro-student, which used to be the golden triangle of education. But what got right in the middle of it, are teachers' unions, which don't represent teachers. In fact, they bully them most of the time. And our documentary interviews, a lot of great teachers willing to stand up. But it's been a long road getting here. I mean, the reality is John Dewey, the father of modern education in the 20s. He was an honorary president of the teachers union. And his agenda was Soviet-style schools. So they had gone that way for a long time. Teachers unions, now, many of them refer to parents as barriers or dissenters trying to push us outside. They bully teachers into submission. And really, their goal, there was a past president of one of the teachers unions who said, you know, when students start paying dues, we'll represent students, but they don't, so we don't care about the students. So that's a reality. They're a power structure with ideological partners.
Starting point is 00:34:43 And we can just see from plummeting academics, their goal is not the advancement of education. It is the advancement of indoctrination and ideology. So it's been a long road. We haven't had David Horowitz in the movie. And when he was a child, he marched with the Mayday parade with the Communist Party and marching right along where the teachers' unions, I believe that was in the 30s or 40s.
Starting point is 00:35:03 So it's been going up for quite a while. Well, you know, it's hard for us to believe really that stuff. Stalinism was a thing in America. But I think we have to be honest and say that as bad as it was then, you could plead ignorance. You could say that whether it's Lillian Hellman or whoever they were, who were devotees of the Stalinist communist way of life, they didn't know most of them the horror of it. We now know. We now know the satanic evil of the Soviet Union and what they were pushing. But the idea that these ideas have gone underground and now we're facing cultural Marxism wherever we go.
Starting point is 00:35:45 And a lot of parents, as you said earlier, during COVID, they kind of woke up. They kind of saw what their kids are getting. And you thought, wait a minute. I'm paying taxes so that my kids can go to this school and they're being taught this. This is not my will for my kid. It's supposed to be in loco parentis. Why are they teaching things antithetical to how I want to raise my kids? and where do they get the idea that that would be okay?
Starting point is 00:36:09 So obviously in the film, you're kind of waking people up. Without a doubt. I mean, this has happened because it was in the dark. I mean, parents are busy. Many of them working two jobs. They're busy with after-school activities, taking care of their kids. But what happened during COVID, probably the only silver lining, was the reality that parents saw firsthand what was actually being taught to their students.
Starting point is 00:36:31 I mean, when you have a school district in Tennessee that asks parents to sign a waiver so they won't observe what their children are being taught, you realize that this has become an existential threat. I do believe, however, that this is the hope for our country. It's the hope for our children because parents, when you wake them out, they're not going back to sleep. And let's be clear, it doesn't matter for you're a Democrat or Republican. You're a mom and a dad first.
Starting point is 00:36:56 The only ones who don't agree with this agenda are those who are so far extreme on that Marxist ideology that the children belong to the state, and the state has the right to train them everything, including a worldview. That's not the role of the schools. It is academics. It is education, not indoctrination. And so I'm encouraged because parents everywhere are rising up. Well, it's a wonderful thing. No small thanks do to you and the other folks behind the film. I want to remind people again, it's whose children are they? You can go to who's children
Starting point is 00:37:28 are they.com. And folks, I really want to push you to see this film and to share about it on social media. Share this interview. Obviously, we post everything on social media and on Rumble. If you sign up for my newsletter, Ericmataxis.com, you'll get this. But it is vital that parents in America wake up and get activated. If you are not involved in this stuff, then in a sense, you're letting it happen. And it is a horror. I have to say that part of the only good news, Deborah, is that things are. got so bad that it woke some people up and it got people like you to make a film about it. That's absolutely the case. I mean, it's unfortunate and there's many things that we have to do.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Right now, if your children are in school, find out if a change can be made. And if not, you may need to pull them out until changes can be made. It's going to take a while for us to get this back. But there's so much it can happen from flipping school boards, which we did in our own school district to, you know, helping legislation where the money falls a student, not the system. that helps the most vulnerable amongst us to just getting the word out there. I mean, one of the hardest parts of the movie, Eric, is the sex education portion. If this was rated by the NPAA, this movie would be rated R or worse just because we show people what are being taught to kids as young as third grade.
Starting point is 00:38:52 If that's not enough to wake people up, then we are far gone, but I do really believe it is. And like I said, I've heard from parents from every spectrum that are against us. because as you said before, intrinsically, we know children should be allowed to be children. It is the purview of the parents to train them the things of personal development, their worldview, and they should not be sexualized or indoctrinated at such a young age. Folks, if this doesn't make you mad, I kind of wonder whether you love your children or your breathing, because this is absolutely at the heart of everything. You should be offended that people would dare, would dare do this.
Starting point is 00:39:31 this to your kids. It would be no different than if somebody touches your kid inappropriate. They don't say, well, that's the way things are today. Please go to whose children are they.com. It is imperative that Americans wake up, that they see the film, that they share this information, whose children are they.com, Deborah, Flora. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Eric. I really appreciate it. And I want to encourage everyone. We can turn this around and protect the innocence of our children if we stay awake and take action. So thank you for getting the word out. My pleasure. Whose Children Are They.com?
Starting point is 00:40:21 Alvin, we have an important announcement to make. Oh, we do? Yes, it is. Actually, it is important. Yes. We, one of our sponsors is Nutrametics.com. This month only, the month is almost done, folks. This month only, they decided a special introductory offer, if you use the code Eric. You get 30% off of everything on the website. That is huge. Okay. It was a big deal when they said we're going to do 25% for one week or something like that. They said, we're going to do it for the whole month as an introductory thing. So if you're not familiar with their products and you want to try them at a ridiculously low price, use the code Eric,
Starting point is 00:40:58 but it has to be in April 2022. That's right. That's right now. Right now. But it's going to be gone soon. Pretty soon it'll be May 22. And then when you put in the code Eric, you get the 20%, not 30%. So I want to encourage you if you need melatonin or you need magnesium or you need Zinc or vitamin C, all this stuff. You might need vitamin D or C. I take this stuff every single day. So does Ann and I. And the reason we do that is because
Starting point is 00:41:24 we are now aware that you want your immune system to be very healthy. Right? You don't have to get weird injection. We're staying healthy over here. So that's the goal. So if you go to nutrimetics.com, but this is only this month,
Starting point is 00:41:41 folks. Only this month. 30% off. We should also mention a couple of other things while we're on the subject. If you use the code Eric at my store.com, the Bonhofer posters will blow your mind. If you don't have one of those, I don't know what to tell you. They're absolutely gorgeous. They're just good, like the paper stock, the print of everything is gorgeous. It's a Bonhofer poster. It says silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak. It's to speak. Not to act. And if you don't have that poster, look in the mirror and say, what kind of American am I? Yes. And if you don't
Starting point is 00:42:13 of that poster, you're being silent in the face of evil itself. Do you understand? Do you understand what I'm saying? So you go to mystore.com or mypillow.com use the code Eric. All right, now we get to the films. There's two films out. One is whose children are they? That talks about, I mean, again, it's amazing where we are in America, but the good news is that people are waking up and people are making films to help us understand what's going on. So the film, whose children are they, deals with this kind of communist takeover
Starting point is 00:42:49 of our kids. The very idea that there are people in leadership in America who think, I get to teach your kids what I want. I don't care what you think, Mr. parent, like you have no voice and you're thinking, wait a minute, I could have lived in East Germany
Starting point is 00:43:04 50 years ago and where they had that kind of attitude toward children and toward parents. But in America, so if you want to see that. Well, go to SalemNow.com anyway because there's a ton of good stuff there. SalemNow.com. Whose children are they?
Starting point is 00:43:24 SalemNow.com, I believe, eventually, will carry 2,000 mules. I don't think that they do now. Yeah, they only carry 1,000 of them. Yeah, it's only a thousand. If you want to see 2,000 mules and who doesn't, seriously, you want to go to 2,000 mules. dot com, I've got to tell you, folks, it's hard for me not to get emotional because this is, you know, I always say if this is true, well, now I know it's true. I mean, I've known it's true, but the more you see, the more clear it becomes.
Starting point is 00:43:58 And so then the question is, at what point, what's the tipping point? At what point did people have to say, oh, yeah, Galileo was right? At what point did it finally get to where they could no longer say, shut up, don't ever talk about that? At what point does the truth come out? The truth is coming out, but it's vital for us to do our part in getting the truth out. So I want to ask you to go to 2000 mules.com. I am in the film, but that's not why I'm telling you to go see it. I also want to tell you, finally, folks, there's all kinds of stuff we cannot share on this program, sometimes for legal reasons.
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