The Eric Metaxas Show - Kari Lake (Encore)

Episode Date: July 3, 2023

Kari Lake is in the studio with her new book "Unafraid". (Encore)

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But he kept spitting him. Oh, the whole thing was just a disaster. Anyway, here's the guy who's not always that easy to digest. Eric the Texas. Hey there, folks. Welcome back. It is that time when we get to talk about something that, unfortunately, is perhaps more important than anything else. When you step back and you think about what's going on.

in the world. Our money is the most power that we have. You can go to the voting booth and you can vote and that's very important. But when you think about the money, where your money goes, where your money is invested, most of us are a little bit clueless about that. And it turns out that that is probably the biggest problem we're facing with the woke lunacy taking over the So we have our friend CEO and founder of Inspire. Robert Netsley, welcome back. It's always a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me back. Listen, the more I learn about this, the more I'm kind of amazed that I didn't know about it, that if we wouldn't, most of us are asking the question, what is going on?

What is happening to all these companies that they're not just leaning left. they're going like full on insane satanic transgender pushing it on children. I mean, a level of craziness that most of us, I think, rightly say, where could this be coming from? And it sounds like all of this stuff, this ESG stuff, this diversity stuff, that it's coming from those gigantic entities, what are they even call these entities that control, you know, investment funds or what are they called? Well, they're called lots of things by lots of people.

But, I mean, the technical term, I think, would be, you know, shareholder proxy voting firms like Glass Lewis and ISS, the names that nobody has ever heard about, probably listening to this show that's here in the financial industry. Shareholder proxy, what? Voting firms. You know, there's a, there's these massive infrastructure that's like way deep in the, the bowels of Wall Street that process the millions upon hundreds of millions, probably these ballots that every shareholder gets to and has to vote on when they own a share of stock.

But, you know, if you've got a 401K, you're not getting these in the mail. The investment managers that your 401k manager hires are getting these in the mail, but they're probably outsourcing it to these voting firms. So it's like, you know, a bazillion steps removed from the end shareholder. But then guess who calls the power? there's only like a couple, three of these large firms that, in effect, vote every shareholder proxy that dictate the direction of corporate America. And what are the names of the big ones? BlackRock?

Well, BlackRock is an investment manager that is highly influential with these firms. So they're a little bit of a different case. They, I'm sure, vote for their own firm proxies as well. But ISS, Glass Lewis, those are two of the large ones for all. It's another large firm. This is kind of like finding out that, I mean, it's the equivalent of finding out that your government has been taken over by people that you didn't vote for. And you think, well, wait a minute, I thought we had this process and I thought I had a share

and I'm a stakeholder and what I say goes. And you find out, no, actually, while you haven't been paying attention, your vote has been outsourced and your values are not just being undercut, but there are people. actively working against your values. And folks, when I say your values, I mean the values of the American founders of the Constitution, religious, liberty, biblical values on every front, that this is our money. And we're talking, you know, millions and billions and hundreds of billions of dollars of our money is effectively being controlled by people. who somehow this has happened over time.

And most of us are ignorant and we just kind of go on with their lives and we've got our 401Ks. And we don't realize that this tremendous power that we have, this financial power we have, has been given into the hands of people working utterly against us, against the American family, against our kids. This is big news, Robert Netsley of Inspire Advisors. This is big news for most people. Right. Bad things grow in the dark, right? Bad things grow in the dark. And how darker can it get than just these huge organizations operating in the shadows really nobody knows about it? Imagine a world where everybody in America gets a vote for president, let's say, except nobody actually gets a ballot in their own hands. It goes to somebody, you know, somebody else who you don't even get to pick who that goes to oftentimes. You pick a person to then pick. a person who picks a person who gets to cast your ballot, how, how trustworthy would those

elections be, you know, it would be ridiculous. And so this is what's going on with, with your investment. So if you have, again, a 401k or you're in a pension, you're a hardworking American, you own shares in companies like probably Target and Walmart and Amazon and Netflix and all these companies, Disney. Did you hear that, folks? Did you hear that? Folks, did you hear that? You probably own shares in these companies. Please keep going.

You probably do. But you own them through a fund company like BlackRock or maybe American funds or Fidelity or some other company that's in your 401K are at a fund. Now, those fund managers, either both those shares themselves or they outsource it to one of these proxy voting firms. And the problem is they're all basically in cahoots with one another, deciding what to vote for and sitting in their ivory tower, deciding what kind of progressive politics to push on you through those companies that you own and really undermining your own values. So it's like you're voting against yourself. But the problem is that we don't even know that's happening. Right. So we're bringing

this to the light and inspire investing. We're a faith-based investment firm with the largest provider of faith-based ETFs in the world, managing about $2.1 billion, one of the fastest growing investment firms in the nation, because millions of Christians and other conservatives with similar values, are waking up this idea, this reality, it's really stark reality, that in their investment account lurks all sorts of nasty issues. And we don't want to be complicitated anymore, right? So we're going to kick out the bad actors.

We're going to vote for the good ones, and we're going to change the way corporations do business. So here we come to the punchline, folks. I hope that this wakes you up. And I want to give you an action point. I want you to go to inspireadvisors.com slash, Eric, because you've got to fix this. Your money is being used against you. InspireAdvisors.com slash Eric. This is very important, folks. We've all got to become activists.

We've all got to, I think a lot of us just thought like, well, I'm just going to go along in my life. And, you know, I go to church on Sunday. And well, folks, there are things you need to do. And if you don't do it, you're responsible for things going to hell in a hand basket. So I want to ask you, Please, first of all, this is free. Okay, this is, this is free. InspireAdvisors.com slash Eric. This is the solution. Every single one of us needs to get our dollars and cents out of these places with a satanic agenda.

InspireAdvisors.com slash Eric, when you go there, you will see that this is not going to cost you anything. They're there to help you. and I just wish everyone would do this. I'll say it again, InspireAdvisors.com slash Eric, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Hey, folks, you know how much I love Mike Lindell well. Right now, My Pillow has a massive closeout sale happening on their all-season slippers. Listeners continually make the MySlippers the number one selling my pillow product. And I have a feeling you want to stock up right now when you hear the offer.

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You're a good kid. You're part of the good stuff that's happening, and I was saying just a moment ago, you're one of a tiny handful of people that give me real hope for the nation. Yeah, no pressure. But I was really happy to see that you have written this book because there are a lot of people out there that are not familiar with you. You know, the ones who are familiar with you, they're familiar with you. They get it.

But there are a lot of folks out there who ain't. And as a Yale English major, I can say ain't anytime I want. I have nothing to prove. So let me ask you the, you know, this is like the softball question. What is this book? What is this book about? Is this your life? Someone said, is it a memoir?

A little bit, a little bit of memoir, a little bit of a political suspense thriller, a true crime novel because of the election, the crimes that happened around that. Crimes? What are you talking about? It's kind of a mix. Hey, listen. It's also a little bit of a fan book. Bill Barr and Mike Pence have put us all at ease. Nothing happened. Look away.

Look away from the train wreck. Look away. Listen, this is one of the reasons you're somebody who gives me hope because you not only know that we have. nightmare stuff happening in our elections, where our elections are being stolen from we the people, but you're actually fighting, and that's what happened to you. So I want to talk about all of that stuff. It's really a little bit of everything. I mean, because I didn't want to just do a memoir. This campaign of we the people in Arizona was so massive. This movement was so incredible. It never was about me. I just happened to be the front, the face, right?

But it was me with millions of other people, and it really spread across the country. country. And it was we the people. It was somebody who wants to give the government back to the people. But that's the point is that the millions of people are looking for someone. They're saying, is there anyone out there willing to, you know, speak up for us? And you have been so brave and so bold in that. Now, for people just to get the context on you, okay, you, you only rather recently entered politics. Right. So that was, Tell us a little bit about that, but I want to talk about your life up to that point. I was a journalist for 30 years, and usually when you're a journalist, you don't run for office.

You remain unbiased, and you, at least that's how I learned how to be a journalist back in the 90s when I was learning to be a journalist. You get both sides of the story. If there's three sides, you give three sides, and you keep your opinion out. And during my 30 years as a broadcast journalist, you know, I had the opportunity to interview presidents, including President Trump, and President Obama. I had an amazing, amazing journalistic career. But during COVID, I realized that it was impossible to get the truth out. They were just, the corporate news media was not interested in getting the truth out about COVID. They were interested in pushing fear, division, isolation.

So that's when it really hit you. I've been working my whole life. I'm the youngest of nine. I had to work from a very young age. I worked my way through college. I worked my way into this career. Really worked hard. and it was as if at the age of 52, I think I was at the time,

I lifted my nose off the grindstone and looked around and I didn't even recognize this profession anymore. Journalism had died and was replaced with propaganda. That was 2020. In 2020, during COVID, I just went, wow, there's no interest in getting medical doctors who have a problem with what's happening, who have a difference of opinion.

There was no interest in that. It was just the CDC line, the Fauci line. And people were dying. Our children were being mad. We were having people lose jobs being forced to get a jab in their arm who didn't want it. And then the election of 2020 happened. And that was the final straw. I said, I can't push this agenda.

It's not true. It's half-truths, which are really dressed up lies. And I'm not willing to lend my voice, my heart, my soul, and my reputation. And the problem is I'm making a lot of money. Ladies and gentlemen, headline, she has a conscience. It's kind of a big deal in this day and age when somebody has a conscience. because what you're talking about, none of this would be possible without the complicity of the media. And I can't think who I was talking to about this yesterday.

I don't think we've aired it yet. But the point is we all grew up in a world where you basically trusted the media. Even when the media was slanted, liberal, or whatever, you just didn't think that they were working for the devil or Stalin or Adolf Hitler. You just thought, look, they have a different perspective. But something happened. And many of us woke up. And because as bad as things had been, COVID and that year and that election, it really took the breath away of millions of Americans. They just thought this can't happen in America.

And there would be legitimate good information out there that went counter to what Fauci and the guys were saying. And the media wouldn't pick it up. And I'm like, why are they not picking this up? This is legitimate, credible information. There's an agenda being pushed by the media. And you have to look at who owns these networks. What is their agenda? Who are they for?

And I'll tell you what, they're not for the American people. I believe that. They're not for the American people. Well, you happen to be correct on that. I just want to, in case you were wondering, that is correct, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. I've been fact checked. But it's a big deal, Carrie.

Because the reason it becomes a big deal is because so few have been willing to stick their necks out and say, what many people are suspecting, looking around, and I've tried to do that on this program and in other venues, to help people understand, no, no, no, you're not crazy. You're right to see what you see. You're seeing the truth, and I want to help you corroborate that. I want to help you understand you're right. When I walked away, first of all, it wasn't an easy thing to do

because I'm going to be honest, I made a lot of money. I had a seven-figure contract. I was the number one newsface in Arizona, and to walk away from that, thank God, have an amazing husband, Jeff, and he was feeling the angst I was having and covering this COVID and covering this election and just the half-truths. And I came out of my office one night because I was working from home. It was during COVID. They separated some at the studio, some at home. And I said, I can't do this anymore. It's just wrong. It's immoral. When you know something

is wrong and you continue doing it, you become immoral. But that's, but that's the point is it's immoral, but you were willing to see that and to do something about that, which again, that's called leadership. Thank you. Well, I did pray to God. I said, God, I'm really having a hard time with the leaving the money behind. I know that's wrong, but I'm having a hard time with like, are I going to regret this? And just give me a sign if I'm making the right choice here.

And I, within a few minutes, I open the Bible, just opened it like that, put my finger down. First Timothy, chapter 6, verse 7. and I even put it in the book, it means that much to me. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can take nothing out. And that was the sign I needed from God. He's saying, what does the money matter, Carrie? You don't take that with you.

What matters is what you do while you're here. And what matters is how the meeting, when you meet me after you're gone, how that meeting goes. You don't believe all that crazy stuff, do you? What the Bible says? I absolutely do. Man, that's crazy. No, it's so funny because, you know, a lot of people claim to be Christians, and I say this wherever I go.

Like, if you say you believe in the God of the Bible, then you must actually believe and live it. And if you're not living it, it kind of shows you don't believe it. And so this period that we've all been through has been a test for many of us. And that's why I thank God for you, because many people have failed the test. It doesn't mean that you might not repent and get it right two years later or that. three years later. But when this stuff was going down, the unbelievable pressure, cultural pressure, was shut up, keep doing your job. You don't want to lose your job, do you? And what you just said, you know, you're going to trust God with your career, with your money, because this is real.

But it's amazing. I never in my life, I'm going to be honest, handed my life over to God 100%. Maybe 40%, maybe 50, maybe I leaned on it when things were rough. And then when I got back on track, I was like, all right, I got this. You can, you know, sit back and relax, God. I'm in charge now. And this is when I truly said, I'm handing my life where I would you 100%, not 99, 100%. I don't know what you have in store. I'm happy with anything. I'm happy going behind the scenes. I don't, I don't crave the limelight. I really don't. After 30 years, I actually was looking forward to going behind the scenes and living a private life. And God, when you throw your life into his hands, he has something plan that is so much bigger than anything you could have. I mean, the fact that I end up in politics

helping to lead a movement of moms and dads and students and grandparents and, you know, regular Americans and end up in the middle of the political world at this time, which is consequential politically, I think we could say, right? It's a miracle. It's amazing. And that's what happens when you just start listening to God. Listen a little less to what you're thinking and a little more to what. Well, I mean, you're really a picture of what's been happening in this country. There are tons of people who I think have had that experience and are having that experience right now where they were, you know, kind of there. But the circumstances have forced us to see what's going on and to choose and to say, like, I can't be in the middle. I can't kind of be in.

I need to actually take a stand because this is what is happening is immoral. And if I don't do something, I'm complicit in what is happening. And we'll be right back, folks. We're talking to Carrie Lake, the brand new book today. It's called Unafraid. Every day, the parallel economy grows bigger and bigger. It's powered by everyday Americans who are sick and tired of all the woke propaganda being jammed into every product they consume. Big mobile companies are no different.

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Lake. Lake. Carrie with a K. This book, brand new, literally today, has a foreword by someone of whom I am very, very fond. And it's not my wife, Suzanne, who's here with us in the studio. because it's my birthday. No. Who wrote the forward to your book? President

Donald Trump did. Oh, he's very divisive. I should have told you not to have him do that. Oh, he's a very divisive figure. No, seriously, I met the only reason I met you was because I was at Mar-a-Lago for the premiere of 2000 Mules, the film,

and Mike Lindell very graciously introduced Suzanne and me to you that day. And that's when you were on my radar and I've been following you since then. So your relationship with President Trump is at the heart of what gives many of us hope in the country, that there are a handful of people willing to call a spade a spade. The election was stolen. Elections are being stolen by Democrats because they no longer have the confidence of the American people and they don't

care. They will cheat. They don't believe in honesty. And they don't have policy that the people want. They don't have candidates that the people want. I mean, John Federman, Joe Biden, Katie Hobbs, these are not serious people for the times. I don't think they're intelligent enough actually to lead at this time. And unfortunately, where you got a little bit of something wrong there, the elections in Maricopa County were run by Republicans, rhino Republicans.

And I wish I could sit here and say, it's all the Democrats. But it is this uniparty. It's a uniparty versus America First. That's sadly what it's become. And I was honored. I asked President Trump to write the forward. I didn't think he would have time and he graciously made time to do it. You can hear his voice when you're reading it.

And I love this man as an American, as a mother, because he cares so much for this country. And I think I'm giving people the courage to speak out and say, hey, I love President Trump too. He's great. For a long time, people were afraid to even say, I like our president. President Trump is great. He's doing good things for us. Because they'd be canceled. They'd be ostracized.

And I'm here to say, who cares about being canceled? Who cares if you're ostracized? We're about to lose our country. And we need to stand up behind the man, shoulder to shoulder with the man who's willing to risk everything to save our country. He's the only one right now for the time. I mean, it's kind of funny because I've been in New Yorker most of my life, and I didn't used to like Trump.

And in 2016, the way that he was attacked, I'm always for the underdog. I thought, listen, this is, something's wrong here. And that's when I gave him a second look. And I went from disliking him to loving him. He's got the right kind of enemies. And I thought, well, I was going to say, that's what's so fascinating.

And there's been, as you know, a sifting that there are so many in the Republican Party who are worse than useless. There are gutless, pseudo-moderate rhinos who couldn't care less any more than Joe Biden cares about we the people. And so we're in this strange war right now. And there are, you know, very few people like you willing to stick your neck out. I mean, listen, we know that elections were stolen, but not many people were willing to do, anybody willing to do what you have done to fight, to expose what happened in your election. Don't fight it. Just concede and run again. And I said, are you kidding?

and run again. We ran the greatest campaign. The people did everything right. They got involved. They knocked doors. They showed up and voted, only to have their sacred vote trampled on. I'm not going to just walk away. The people want me to fight this. Everywhere I go, in New York City, where we are right now, I thought I would need security. I'd have people pour in their coffee in my face. Just the opposite. Here in Liberal New York City,

the last time I was here, walking down the street, and I had people stop and go, thank you for fighting. Oh my gosh, you're a fight. I appreciate what you're doing. This is in New York. The American people know what's up. If we don't have honest elections, then we are enslaved by a system that we don't have control over. And our forefathers died.

They spilled blood to free us from the monarchy so that we could choose our representation. You know this. You're singing my song, but it's such a joy to hear you say this. In the chapter called the Red Pill Generation, I kind of joke that you've heard of people getting red pill. Like, what was your Red Pill moment? What woke you up? Yeah.

I feel that I woke up during a red pill moment. I was a child of the 70s and 80s. Reagan was the president of my youth. Right. And he's the reason I registered as a Republican the day I turned 18. And the movies, the culture was very patriotic. And we were much. For about 10 minutes. Yeah. Right? And then it changed. No, but I'm saying it's kind of interesting because it was just a moment. And then it's sort of, you know. But I think having that and growing up in the Midwest, I went to a very patriotic school. We sang patriotic songs before the school day started. We did the Pledge of Allegiance. It was just a different time.

And I'm worried about where things are going with our kids. I think Red Pill Generation is a great place to start reading this book. It's one of those books you can pick it up anywhere. But it does start with the prolog. And I will tell you this is not one of those books you need to get in 10 pages before you like. It starts with the prologue is called Crash Landing. And it was almost the end of me. This is a true story of what happened on the campaign trail when we literally almost didn't make it through a flight.

We had to make a crash landing. And it starts with that. And it takes you through some really amazing stories of what happened on the campaign trail, how I ended up in politics being a kid growing up in Iowa. Right. To sitting across from President Trump in his tower, getting his endorsement, to now being friends with who I believe is one of the most influential leaders of all time. of all time. No, there's no question. There's no question about it.

We're going to go to another break. Plenty more with Carrie Lake. Hey, folks, you know how much I love Mike Lindell. Well, right now, My Pillow has a massive close-out sale happening on their all-season slippers. Listeners continually make the MySlippers the number one selling my pillow product. And I have a feeling you want to stock up right now when you hear the offer. When you use my promo code, Eric, you'll get the all-season slippers for $25. regularly

$149.98. That's over $120 in savings limited to 10 pairs at checkout. These will sell out. Trust me, my slippers have an exclusive four layer design. You won't find any other slipper. Paddened layers make these slippers

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limited to 10 pairs at checkout. Enter promo code Eric or call 800-978-3057, 800-978 3057 for this incredible offer. So please order now. Welcome back talking to Carrie Lake. Carrie Lake, your book is out today. Today, it's unafraid. And it's not one of those like, you know, campaign biographies, like, you know, written by Chris Christie that you don't want to read because a ghost writer wrote it.

This is very real and you're very real. I'm excited that you've written a book that, you know, as a writer, I think books should be readable. It's very readable. No, I know. And here's why. I didn't realize this, but one of the questions people are asking me is, if you wrote a book, you must be running for something. And I may run for something. I'm not going to deny that.

But that's not why I wrote this book. I was asked to write the book by publishers who thought my story was interesting. I wrote it when I was not even thinking about running for anything again. And because I had a fight to save our elections. Yeah. And so I wrote it from the heart. I'm a writer of 30 years, you know, as a broadcast journalist, and I wanted this to be an interesting story where you could pick it up and start in any chapter. Yeah.

And it doesn't matter where you start. Yeah. You can, I recommend starting from the beginning. But I wanted to be an interesting book. This is not written by a consultant. Yeah. This comes from the heart, story of how I got to where I am. And it's also to encourage people to stay in this fight.

You only lose when you quit. Well, you, look, you know, the idea that. that this really didn't hit home for you until fairly recently is part of what makes it exciting for people. Because I get excited when you hear that someone who didn't get it, gets it and is all in. Nobody's more all in than you are. And it just thrills me. And of course, I secretly hope that you will be President Trump's vice presidential candidate. Do you have any like Choctaw blood or African American in your back? Anything like that that would, you know. I'm just American.

I'm a little bit of everything. And we probably do have a little bit of Native American in our family because of where my grandparents are from in Wisconsin. I know. But I never, I'm just an American. I'm a mixture of everything. And I always consider. I'm going to guess Chickasaw.

No, I honestly, you're such a bright spot, you know, in the political future of the country. But I want to talk about what happened to you in your race. Let's talk about that because I, you know, expected you to win. And technically you did win. What happened? When did you understand what was going on? And how did the traitor Republicans within your state work against you and we the people?

Well, the guys running the Maricopa County elections were they also started a super PAC to raise money. in the primary to stop me. So the guys running our election. First of all, I'm running against a woman who oversees the entirety of the elections. She's the Secretary of State. She never recused herself as my opponent. And then the two guys running the Maricopa County elections

ran a super PAC raising tens of thousands of dollars to stop election-denier candidates. And we found out that all of their expenditures went toward one candidate and yours truly. So this is the kind of corruption we're up against, not to mention what they did on election day, rolling out broken machines, putting them in the Republican areas, knowing that our people were showing up to vote in person.

And that's why I must push this out and say, we've got to show you guys where the corruption is and then fix it. And now they're suing me for speaking out about it. The guys who helped rig the election are now suing me for pointing out the corruption. This is just how sick the world is right now. But I'm not going to be afraid of that. I'm going to continue on, and we're going to get to the bottom of this and the truth.

will eventually come out. And the whole book isn't all about the election, but I do like the chapter toward the end where I go back to Election Day. Some people said, why didn't you do more to prevent this? Well, how do you prevent this when they were going to intentionally print the wrong ballot out on Election Day? They printed the wrong ballot out on Election Day,

so the machines would jam. How do you prevent that? We did a lot. We got observers in there. We had lawyers on the scene. We had so many people around watching and working the polls that we were able to document what they were doing. And that then helped in our case.

And this last chapter was a really hard one to write because it took me back to election. They started with a great wake-up call from President Trump, wishing me luck for the day. And then immediately after I hung up with him, I looked at my phone. I had 60 text messages, videos of long lines of election workers saying,

I'm sorry, the machines don't work, the equipment isn't working here. And right then, my heart just sunk. And I went. knew. That's how they're going to cheat. That's how they're going to take it. Well, and just to be clear, because they, which is to say that the Democrats or the opponents of anybody who loves this country, they know that most of us vote on the day of. And so they have cheated way, way, way, way up front. And if they can just jam everything up on the day of,

on the day of, it's mostly going to be people, you know, voting for you and not your opponent. 75% of the people voting were voting for me on election day. Well, Carrie, part of the problem here, the larger problem for me in the culture, is that if you grew up in America, as we did, you grew up in a country where you basically, as I said earlier, trusted the processes, various processes. You basically said, look, I know people are going to angle to get an advantage. But out and out cheating is simply not something, we've seen much of.

In other words, you figure like we're going to play by the rules. Maybe people are going to try to shave things here or there. But actual cheating, the idea that the other side would engage in such blatant cheating. It's very hard to take that seriously until you have no choice. But it's only recently that we've seen the scale of it and the willingness of it of those folks to do this. It's a horrifying reality. And right in front of our face, knowing that we see it, knowing what they're doing, and basically, yeah, we're going to cheat, we're going to steal this election, and you're going to just have to live with it is what they're telling us.

And I think what's happening, this is why the powers that be hate populist candidates. I think they've been shaving a little here, shaving a little there for a long time. When you get a big populist candidate, like the bowl in the China shop named Donald Trump, it's a lot harder. You can't shave enough off on one side. You have to just blatantly stop counting, roll out the ballots, you know, all the funny business they did. And the same with me. This is why they hate populist candidates. A, they can't control them.

Right. They're not for sale. Right. You can't bribe them or blackmail them. They belong to the people. And that's what you get with Trump, me, and many other candidates out there, I think America First candidates. I do want to say one thing, though. When I walked away from my career, I really thought I was going to the last half of my life.

I was 52 when I walked away. And I thought, well, things are. get quiet and and I'll just live a quiet life behind the scenes. I kind of thought my best years were behind me. Yeah. And I just want people to know, as long as you are on this earth, breathing air and alive, you are needed. You are needed in this fight. You know, Benjamin Franklin was 80. 80. 81, maybe. No way. Actually, we're going to be, this is called a cliffhanger. You're going to find out all about who's this guy, Benjamin Franklin. When we come back, don't go away. Welcome back talking to Carrie Lake, brand new book today. Unafraid. You need to get a copy. Just saying, Carrie, you were just saying something about Benjamin Franklin.

Well, I was talking about when I walked away from my career and just walked into the Great Unknown at 52. I kind of thought, okay, I don't want to say it's downhill from here, but it'll be a life that won't be as exciting as what I just experienced 30 years in media. And God had some different plans. And I just want people to know, you know, a lot has happened. None of us are getting out of this unscate. There's been sacrifice. People have walked away from jobs. Everyone I know who's had to make that sacrifice has told me, after I've met them, you know, they'll say I had to walk away because I was forced to get a Vax or whatever. You come out on the other side, a better person for it. When you stand up for your principles, Benjamin Franklin was 80 or 81 when they wrote the Constitution. I mean, 81.

He was 81, and he was, yeah, he was the oldest member of the constitutional convention. Think how important his life was at 81 still. As long as you're breathing air on this planet, you are needed in this battle. Moses was 80. Moses was 80, a reluctant leader. He begged God, no, I don't want to lead. I'm not fit for it. We all have God-given abilities, and they're all needed right now.

Whatever form, whatever talents you have, they're needed right now to save our country. And I believe that we can do this. We will do this. Will it be easy? No. Will we be stronger at the end of it? Yes. And I really think our greatest days in America are ahead of us.

Well, I would agree with you. I'm cautiously optimistic in the sense that I think that if everyone will fight, if people will wake up and do what is necessary and make the sacrifices, because there's still people hanging back who want to play it safe. And I go all around the country in a sense saying that place is the least safe place you can imagine. if you are standing on the sidelines while we're fighting for the soul of the nation, you're complicit. And I talk about this, I talk about it in my most recent book,

but the parallel with the German church in the 1930s is horrifying. It is absolutely the silence of the German church, because they thought in the beginning, well, we're just going to play it safe. We're just going to be, you know, we're going to look away. This is not our lane. It is exactly what God has called each of us to do. And so people hanging back and being in the middle. you are opening the door to evil.

And everything we're seeing right now, let's face it, we're seeing madness, open border, whoever dreamt that we could have an open border and that just things happening in this country, the transgender lunacy, the pride lunacy, the absolute madness that has come upon us is because there are people who aren't yet in the fight. And you're calling them to the fight. I'm calling them to the fight. and we want to say that if you don't fight folks, you're helping the bad guys win.

There's no neutral here. And so it's why I have, you know, been unapologetic about my support of President Trump and of folks like you who have been, you were robbed by people. Corruption is a moral issue. Well, the people of Arizona were robbed. It hurt me personally.

That's what I mean. And I didn't enjoy it. Yeah. But the people of Arizona were robbed and hurt by this. Yeah. And the people of our country, When you install a fraud who didn't win in the governor's office in a state like Arizona, it hurts our whole country. And if we sit back and some of these Republicans are saying, let's stop talking about 2020 and 2020.

I'm a mother. If we've got a problem in our home, if I discovered my son or daughter had an issue, they were using drugs or something like that, or my marriage had a problem. You don't solve that problem by putting your head in the sand and hoping and ignoring it and it'll go away. You address it. And we have to address these elections. And any of these phony journalists, the propagandists who are trying to call out President Trump for talking about 2020, you know. Can we even believe it? Brett Baer had the nerve to do that, by the way.

And he was the one who called the election in Arizona. We set off this snowball effect that I think has been destructive to our country and in our world. I think you're right. We've got more in hour two with Carrie Lake. The book is Unafraid Out Today.