The Eric Metaxas Show - Kari Lake (Encore Continued)

Episode Date: July 3, 2023

Kari Lake is in the studio with her new book "Unafraid". (Encore)

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Tune in. And then move on to item number eight, skydiving with Chuck Schumer and AOC. Here now is Mr. Completed My Bucking. Get list at age 12, Eric Ma, Texas. Folks, welcome back. Welcome to Hour 2. On the very day, that's my birthday. I said, who could I get?

That would make me happy. That would, I'd want to have in the studio. And you know, I'm not kidding. It's Carrie Lake. Her book is brand new out today. It is called Unafraid. Carrie, I know there are tons of people listening to this program who really aren't familiar with your story.

So I'm just thrilled for them to get to know you and to know that you're, one of the tiny handful of people that gives me hope. You were willing not just to run for office in Arizona and to say what needs saying and to stand proudly with President Trump, but you were willing to say your election was stolen and you were willing to fight and you're still fighting. I mean, where is that right now? How does that go? How does that, you know?

The system is corrupt from top to bottom. Yeah. And so, you know, I never really expected to get a fair shot in court, a fair shake. But what we're doing is trying to show people where the corruption is. How are they, how are these elections being run? And we may not be able to get a judge to do the courageous thing. But we have the evidence. And we, you know, the left says, or the media says, there's no evidence.

And I think, I can't help you. If you're not willing to stop and look at the evidence, I can't help you. But I am presenting the evidence. We have facts. This is evidence. This isn't made up stuff. But we haven't had a judge who's willing to do the courageous thing. But isn't this exactly what happened in the 2020 election?

In other words, the evidence is presented. That never got heard, though. It never gets heard. And then people say, well, they never showed the evidence. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. The judges refused to look at the evidence. They refused to even take the cases in 2020. Well, that's what I mean.

This time, our case, they took it. Okay. But they really limited it. We came out with 10 counts. We had an election case, you have a very short period, a window that you can fight it. and the judge allowed us to fight two counts and gave us five hours in court to prove our case. And then the Maricopa County, who, you know, were suing over this, basically, they withheld the evidence. We were trying to get public records.

We had to sue them to get the records. It's been a nightmare. But in all of that, we have been able to prove our case. The public, when they hear our case, understands what happened. And we're continuing. We're in appealing our case right now. I'd like to see it go to the Supreme Court. I think the Supreme Court, I've heard, is interested in taking an election case.

They realize that this is a critical moment if we do not have honest elections. All I want, Eric, is honest elections. If Trump would have won the way Joe Biden allegedly won, I wouldn't have been okay with that. And I love President Trump. Well, no, cheating. We consider cheating wrong. I love my country. And so we're still fighting it.

Now I'm going to be fighting defamation. Now the Maricopa County election official is suing me. And so I'm fighting that as well. But we just keep chugging along. You know, we're going to fight fire with fire. Well, our friend Mike Lindell calls this lawfare, right? In other words, they basically have money and they throw it at you to besmirch your name, to tangle you up. It's happened to me.

I really don't talk about it on the program, but I'm in a lawsuit. And I think to myself, we have to fight. We have to fight. We have to fight. We have to fight. and we have to trust God with the results because the nation is at stake. And this is not just some nation. This is the nation.

The last hope for the world. That is the last best hope of earth in Lincoln's words. And so we have a moral duty to fight. So when you talk about a lot of judges or whatever didn't have the courage to take this on, we saw that over and over that they basically said, I'll take a pass. I don't want to get involved in this. We proved that laws were broken.

We proved that procedures were broken. that the election manual wasn't followed. We proved a lot of that. And basically by these judges not ruling in favor of the people, the people who had their votes taken from them, they have given their stamp of approval to not following. They're basically saying these laws are just suggestions. You don't really have to follow them.

They're just suggestions. You don't have to follow election laws. And that's a problem. That's a real problem. So we'll keep fighting eventually. And I understand. I understand how difficult it would be for a judge to say, We're going to set aside Maricopa County.

There was so much fraud and wrongdoing and maladministration. We're setting it aside because then we're going to have to take somebody out who's fraudulently there and put in the duly elected governor. But you know what? It's happened before in Arizona. In 1916, they put in a fraudulently elected governor. They fought it. Guess how long it took a full year in court. And the courts ruled that the governor that was sitting in the governor's office was fraudulently elected.

and they took that governor out and put in the duly elected governor. So it has happened before. A lot of people were hoping that that would happen with Trump in the 2020 election. I think that the more evidence that came out, I mean, I remember, you know, while it was happening, I just thought, this has never happened before. What is going on? Who made the call to shut down counting? Who?

In six states. I just thought, who did that? Who's the mastermind? And who did they have the right to do that? And is everybody so stupid that they don't say, wait a minute, that's fishy? Let's look into that. I mean, even if it proves that, oh, there was some explanation, the point is, if you don't say, wait a minute, that's fishy, let's look at this. Let's open the books.

Let's see what happened. Because it doesn't make sense. Well, most Americans know that, but you were told, shut up, shut up, move along, move along, don't be an election denier or whatever. Which is that's what tips you off that something is wrong when they tell you to shut up. When they tell you don't talk about this. It's taboo to talk about election fraud. Why is that? It's not taboo anymore to go into a elementary school and tell a little boy he can be a little girl.

Those things used to be taboo, and I frankly wish they were taboo again. But what is taboo? The one thing you can't talk about is fraud in our elections. I just recently in the last month put out a song. It's number one. It reached number one on the Billboard charts. It's called 81 million votes, my ass. Blank.

I don't know if I can say that. You can say, Bealem's ass on this program. Anything that's in scripture you can say. And it's a great song. It's number one on the charts. And I put it out. I did a speech for CPAC at a Reagan dinner. And we were talking about, I was talking about just how crazy things are.

and Joe Biden didn't even campaign and his policies are terrible and he can't speak, he can't, all of this stuff. And I said, 81 million votes, my bleep. A producer of a song came up to me and he said, would you, can we use your spoken word? That speech was great. We want to use your spoken word in a song.

I said, I don't know, I don't know, I'm not a song. I don't sing, because you don't have to sing. He put it together. I said, I will do it as long as it's a good song. Yeah. Because I slept on it and I thought, they don't want us talking about our rigged elections. Yeah.

What if we not only talk about it? about them, but we sing about them. Yeah. And it's a really fun song. You have to go to Spotify or, you know, whatever you go. Well, listen, again, it's common sense. You know what it is? Maybe because my parents, I mentioned earlier, today's my dad's 96th birthday. A couple days ago was my- born on your dad's birthday? I happen to be born on his birthday. In most years, it's the same day. Some years, no, I'm just kidding. Every year. Literally every year. So, but the thing is, I think about my mom and dad, my old mom and dad going to the polls. And coming to this country from Europe, experiencing the hell of war-torn Europe, experiencing

communism and hunger and all that. And coming to this country, the idea that people would steal their vote or make their vote not count, that's when I got really angry. And that's when I said, you know what? I don't care what anybody thinks of me except God. I am no longer in a place where I'm going to worry about what that person might think or that person. This is despicable. That's right.

This is evil. People have died. You said it. And I say it all the time. People have died for this country and for our freedoms. And the idea that some wicked people would cynically engage in corruption and fraud. and changing our elections, that is just the kind of thing that if you're not angry about that, there's something wrong with you.

You are spoiled and you're riding on the coattails of those who are willing to fight, and everybody needs to fight, which is, again, why I love you so much and I love President Trump, because we need people who are willing to fight. We are in a battle for the soul of this nation, and I'm hopeful, but only because there are a handful of people that have been bold, and unafraid. And the title of the book, Out, brand new book today.

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Check it out. We're talking to Carrie Lake on the day her book is out, unafraid. And I think, you know, it's funny, Carrie, because the other side, I think they are afraid. I think they are scared to death of people who are willing to speak the truth, people who are willing to fight. I think right now, you know, in the fake Biden administration, they're losing their minds because the truth eventually comes out. And we have the corruption of Joe Biden, which most of us have known, but it is coming out, despite their facts to squalch it, it is coming out and it is worse than any.

anything we've ever seen, the corruption of the FBI leadership. These things are coming out. People eventually speak the truth. And I think the other side are just absolutely scared to death of Trump, which is why they're doing what they're doing to him. They're behaving in a panicked way, throwing everything at him. They realize they say they don't want him on the ballot in 24. Oh.

And they're going to do anything to prevent that. Yeah. I mean, and who knows how far they're going to go with all these witch hunts and lawsuits being thrown at him. And I don't know if I told you this. I didn't put it in the book because it kind of happened after I'd finished writing it. I probably should have added it. But a couple months ago, I had a call from a very powerful person in Arizona and said, I have to come over and talk to you in person.

This can't be done on the phone, which I was like, okay, okay. Shows up up my door to offer me a prestigious job title. a large salary and a position on a board if I will just promise to not run in this next election, 24. Oh, sweet. And I said, really? I said, are you serious? I walked away from a prestigious job. I walked away from money.

I'm not motivated by that. I don't know what I'm going to do. But then we talked a little longer. I finally got him out of the house. And I said, he said, how much would it take? What would it take? Just for two of the Chinese have deep pockets. Come on, Carrie.

Just for two years. Just don't get on the... They don't want me on the ballot. They don't want Trump on the ballot because they know we the people will show up and vote in droves. And they know that if they pull another rigged election, first of all, it's going to be a lot harder

because now we know every which way that they're cheating. And I think they know they can't pull another one like that. So that makes me think I need to stay in politics as dirty as it is. I haven't decided what I'm going to do next. There is a Senate seat that's going to be up for grabs this go-around. And right now we have Kirsten Cinema who votes with Joe Biden 95% of the time. That's not representative what the people want in Arizona. So I'm considering it. But the fact that

they came to my door and said, what's it going to take to have you put your movement on ice? Tells me that we need to keep our movement going. Absolutely. And I have to say this is why it's almost funny, again, because we're so spoiled as Americans, we've had it so good here, we forget that there's this thing called satanic evil and that if you're living in, for example, you're one of the communist Chinese party leaders, you'll do anything to get power. And if it means spending a few million or billion to buy off Joe Biden or to buy, why wouldn't they do it? I mean, and then you want to say, and why wouldn't the Democrats cheat in elections?

In other words, they don't believe in virtue anymore. They are not the party of FDR or FJFK or they have gone over. Look at RFK Jr. They're calling him. I just saw they're calling him a mega Democrat. And then CNN put an op-ed out saying he's just a Republican. He's in disguise. He's not really a Democrat.

RFK Jr., they're saying is not a Democrat, that he's a Republican in disguise. They only want people who are pre-approved and controllable. Sure. And RFK Jr. is not. Donald Trump is not. I'm not. You're not. And I don't think the people are.

And I, you know, I'm very encouraged by what I'm seeing on the campaign trail. In the middle of this book, there are a lot of pictures that I wanted to put in through the campaign that you can see how many real people are now off the sidelines. And you're right. You said if you're not off the sidelines involved, you're complicit in this. Oh, yeah. But people, it is our duty. It is our duty as Americans to call out correct. in our government when we see it. And, you know, don't let the tech folks, don't let the government

tell you to sit down and shut up. I mean, honestly. I know you don't do that. Well, but I mean, but again, we, you know, you're going to pay a price. But ladies and gentlemen, you want to pay that price because there is, you know, you kind of need to know that you're going to actually pay a bigger price in the long run, way bigger, if you're not willing to pay a price now. If we lose our country, I don't know that there's much hope for the world. No, no. That's a flat out fact. That is a flat out fact.

When I say unafraid, I am unafraid of this fight. Yeah. But what does scare me to death is the thought of this country if we lose it. Yeah. The thought of what happens to our children's future. And by the way, in case you're scoring at home, we are losing it right now. Every single day we are losing the country. If we don't get in this fight and do everything we can, it is game over.

madness is taking over the country, but I see it as God's mercy to wake up those who might yet be awakened. How many people do you think, and I don't think we could ever come up with a number, but have gotten closer to God, return to their faith? Yeah, and the media is not going to report on that. Yeah, they won't. But, you know, we have Joe Biden sitting in the White House. He's, in my opinion, a puppet of the CCP because he's taken payouts from them. I mean, can you imagine our president? The man sitting in the White House has taken payouts by the millions from the CCP. It makes Benedict Arnold look like George Washington.

Honestly. I mean, I'm not really kidding. It's a level of corruption that beggars imagination, our ability to comprehend the level of corruption. I mean, it's one thing. How diabolically genius of the CCP. That's what I was saying. Why wouldn't they do that? You don't have to invade a country if you can just control the politicians.

And I want to know how many. It's not just Joe Biden. There's got to be a bunch of them in Congress, in D.C., in state houses. around the country in local politics that are taking money or bribes from China. And that's how they take over. Oh, and universities are complicit. Listen, what happened with Fauci and Francis Collins, this was all this kind of willful naivete

with China. Like, we'll have labs over there. We'll work together. It's like on the, you know, the Soyuz Space Station, we'll work together. And won't that be nice? Yeah, it would be nice if they weren't evil. And if they were not cynically using your naivete against freedom around the world, that's exactly what they're doing. Inslating their own citizens, running factories with slave labor.

And unfortunately, our politicians in political class for so many decades have been selling us out. They sold out manufacturing. And now you try to buy something made in American. It's really hard because it's all made in China. Although we're starting to see that change. And this is what President Trump was doing. My plans for Arizona were to reshue. sure companies that do want to come back.

Many companies do want to come back. And Arizona was in a perfect spot for reshoring those companies. Because of our proximity to Mexico, we could actually work with our friends south of the border and have companies where part of the work is done in America, part is done in Mexico.

But get it out of China. Take it away from our adversaries. And this is stuff that just makes sense. Donald Trump's policies, America First policies, are common sense solutions to the problems we've had for a long time. And they're not extreme. I mean, I heard somebody call me an extremist, far right, you know, whatever they say.

Just like George Washington, that Nazi. So nothing's extreme about these policies. Nothing's extreme about me except I'm extremely worried about my children's future. Yeah. How many kids do you have? Far right, so far I have been right about everything. Yeah. I have two.

You have two kids. My son is almost 19 and my daughter is 20. Wonderful. Yeah, I think it's important for people to know. You're a wife to that man right over there. He's awesome. Or he claimed. And the mother to two kids and you actually love this country and you have been in journalism for a long time.

So you've seen it all. And so the fact that you're willing to step up. I think, again, that's part of what gives me hope is that folks like you are willing to step up. There are a lot of people out there. They've had it. And they said, I'm going to run for school board. I'm going to run for local councilmen, you know, whatever. There's something happening in this country.

When you wake up the mama bears and they go, okay, I'm busy taking care of my kids, but I see I'm going to have to step in and help save our country. Right. You have just, you've got the most intense force ever coming at you, moms and dads. When you start messing with our kids, you know, if you've ever seen video of a father lifting a car off of a child or rolls up, and you see like two dads or lifting a car, and you go, where did that strength come from? Is that the Hulk?

No, that is something inside a mother and a father that when you go after their kids, most dangerous place in nature between a mama bear and a baby cub, and we will rip these people to shreds. We're not going to take it. And that is why I'm saying over and over and over again, if you ever spend another dime with Disney,

you are part of the problem in America. If you want to know, if the world is going to hell and you spend a dime with Disney, you spend a dime with Target. You ever, ever think about buying another Anheiser-Bush product, you are part of the problem. You ever go to L.A. Dodgers game again after what they did? You have to have some standards, folks. You have to understand your children's lives are at stake, and we are not being hyperbolical.

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The book, which is brand new today, Unafraid, has a subtitle, and this is a scary subtitle. Just Getting Started. I love that because I know that that's why the other side is scared to. death because Trump does not back down. You won't back down. And there are a lot of folks out there so many that I have met over the last couple of years that I just think there are heroes in this fight who are drawing others to the cause, basically. And that's the hope of the countries that more and more people are waking up. I want to ask you, in the beginning of this book,

you talk about almost dying in a plane crash. Can you talk about that? Well, I don't want to give too much away, but we ended up on a very small plane, very late at night in what we thought was a rainstorm, and it was in the winter, and we got, you know, 10,000 feet into the

air, and it turned into ice, and our plane iced over, and we nearly fell out of the, out of the sky, and it was really scary. And there's pictures in here showing the frozen over plane. We should have never gone on... So when was that? This was back, I want to say, it was February or April,

And we were trying to get to a... Of this year? No, last year. Was it last year or the year before? It was when you were running. When I was running. We were trying to get to... So you literally almost died in a plane?

No, that's real, Carrie. But you know what's amazing about it is... I realized at that moment, there was no reason we should have survived that. We really shouldn't have survived that. It was that bad. It was that bad. And it made me realize that God...

It made me realize that God wanted me here. He could have taken us right then and there. He could have spared you all this mischigoths. Whenever God takes me, it's my time. But he's said, I'm not done with you. It made no sense for us to survive that. And so that's how the book starts. And interestingly, it ends with a flight as well.

And I won't get into that because I want you to read the book. But there's so many moments in my life that I feel that I could have gone the wrong way or things could have really gone badly. And I felt that God kind of reached in with his hand and guided. me in the right direction. And one of it was when I walked away from my career. I mean, someone said, you're starting a new chapter. I go, no, no, no. I'm closing the book on a part of my life. And this isn't a new chapter. This is a whole new book. Yeah. It's a whole new book. Yeah. And God, like I said, when you let God start to take control of your life, it's amazing where things go. Oh, well, that's, uh... We did make it to the conference, by the way,

but not on that plane. Right. Wow. So let me just ask you, what do you think, and this is utter speculation you can say whatever you like. But what do you think Trump is thinking right now? I think he's, I just saw him two days ago at the Faith and Freedom conference. And he, I was sitting on the stage while he was speaking. The crowd loves him so much. The people love him so much. He was feeling that love. You could see it, the levity and he was making some jokes, but he was also heavy on his policy. And I think he's feeling the love of the people, realizing that everything's stake, all of the fighting, everything he's done in his life has led him to this moment, and this is his moment to come in and help steer our country and the right direction.

I believe that he thinks he's going to win this, but he knows they're going to keep coming at him, and they'll keep fighting. They're going to keep coming at him with the lawsuits and all that kind of stuff, because they'll do anything. They don't even care if it looks partisan because they have nothing to lose. If he gets elected, it's... It's game over for the deep state, you know, sea monsters that have been hiding all this time. They will do anything to stop him.

And that's what worries me. I know he's well protected. And I pray for him every day. I know hundreds of millions of Americans pray for him every day for his safety and protection because these people are truly evil. And I talked to him. I remember a few times ago when I saw him, I talked to him. We were walking from his office back towards his residence. And I said, how on earth do you do it?

I mean, I'm dealing with some of it. but at a much lower level, and he said, what's our choice? We have to stand up and fight. We have to stand up. There's no choice. You're not going to curl up in a ball and cry. I got to stand up and fight. So I talked to him the other night.

I was telling him about my case, and I asked him for advice every now and again. I said, you should just represent yourself. Some of these lawyers are no good. So, well, I think I'll get a lawyer for this one. But, you know, we have a good friendship, and I respect the heck out of him for what he's done. No, it is amazing. And, you know, I was saying that, so on the one hand, they will do literally anything to prevent him from becoming the nominee and running, number one. Number two, when he gets the nomination, which he will, and when he runs, which he will, they will do anything they can to steal that election, to cause chaos, to do, they will do anything. And I guess, you know, the question is, what can our side do to, to, to, make it more difficult for them to cheat as they have cheated. Yeah, you just wonder, how does this resolve?

Does it resolve itself? Do the people just say, finally, we've had enough? I mean, look at what happened at Bolsonaro, another populist, and that was a rigged election, and the people were taking to the streets, and I don't know how this ends, but I do believe, with everything I've got, that God does win this battle.

It's on his time. I wish it were on mine, because if we're on mine, I would be like, all right, let's get this done. Yeah, yeah. But more is being revealed about who's who, who the corrupt people are. And I believe that God has a hand in what's happening right now is, as dark as the times feel, I think he's drawing more people toward him. Oh, yeah, I know there's a lot going on. I think a lot of times people forget that God is a god of miracles.

They forget, they kind of act like, well, he's a god of history behind the scenes. No. There's so many miracles in this book. Is that right? I believe in miracles, yes. I mean, the fact that we survived that plane crash. Well, that's one big one. Yeah.

Okay, we're going to go to a final segment with Carrie Lake. We're going to hear about some of these miracles. Folks, you've got to get a copy of this book today. If this book were to become number one, do you understand what that would do to the other side? You want to help in that? Buy a copy today. Unafraid. We'll be right back.

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that is a major blow to those dark forces that are out there. I say that, you know, I'm not getting a cut, ladies and gentlemen, but you know what I get? I get a free country to live in if we win. So, Carrie, talk about this. we didn't even know of the existence of the deep state. And a lot of people who come after Trump,

Republicans who are coming after Trump, talking about what he didn't do in his first term, no one knew what was behind the scenes. There was no way a New York real estate developer could know what he is facing. I mean, JFK and RFK, who were both murdered, didn't know. They began to know.

We are facing tremendously powerful dark forces in our nation. And we now know this is the deep state. This is the Unip Party. They are the enemies of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and anybody who goes along with what they helped us establish the freest, greatest nation in the history of the world. So you talk about the deep state in the book. Yeah. It's truly a force that's trying to destroy America. And President Trump knew that the swamp existed. Remember, he would say, Drain the Swamp. But I don't think even he realized how how bad it was. I mean, he got in there

and he brought in people who were Republicans, and they were stabbing him in the back and the front and the side. And, you know, it's hard to find an honest person. And I think I understand why. All those people in D.C. looked at him and said, he's a strong guy, but there's no way he can drain this swamp.

And we've got to survive in the swamp beyond him, so we're going to side with the swamp. Right. And unfortunately, they made the wrong choice on that, because I think he is going to go in there and finish draining it and then bleach it down. We need to bleach it down. Yeah. But there's a swamp in Arizona.

I mean, John McCain hailed from Arizona. And John McCain was one of the biggest enemies of President Trump. And they tried to attack Trump for even bringing up John McCain. John McCain, by the way, is the person that took the dossier, the seal dossier, that Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid for. He took it and got it to the FBI and started Russiagate. I didn't remember that. That is so sick and awful. That's how sick the uniparty.

as they work together. Yeah. And, you know, he was trying to, he represented Arizona for a long time in Congress and the Senate. And for some reason, you can't criticize his life as a politician. If you do, you know, that he's just untouchable. And I say, no, that if you are a politician, you are up for criticism and critique. And this is a man who, when he was serving us in Arizona, promised to build the wall. And then when President Trump came in and said, let's build the wall, he was a thorn in Trump's side and didn't want to build.

He promised the people of Arizona that he would repeal Obamacare. And when that fell squarely on his shoulders, he went in there and gave the thumbs down. That's one of the most... He hated Trump more than he loved the people of this country. Well, no, but I mean that is when you see the character of a man or a woman. You see their character. What he did, when he gave thumbs down to repealing Obamacare, I thought to myself, there's nothing else to call it, but it's despicable.

It's despicable. It's dishonorable. Now, this is a man who was an American hero, but he allowed himself to become part of the dark forces that run the country, a petulant, angry man who, in a sense, his final, his swan song was to try to stick it to Donald Trump and to screw the nation that he suffered for many decades earlier. There are stories that are legendary.

and not in a good way of John McCain treating people poorly, his own wife. He called her names. There's a story I mentioned in there. I can't use the name that he used. But I talk about him. And he did not like, you know, the people who are America First, who are President Trump supporters. Because I think that he knew that Trump threatened him, threatened that whole way of life, the way that he had been very much a part of.

And so we talk a little bit about that. You can't talk about Arizona politics without. talking about John McCain. And I respect his service to our country. Right. 100%. But if you are a politician for 30 to 40 years, you're open. You are open for criticism, especially with some of the things he did. So we talk a little bit about that. I have a chapter in here about Doug Ducey and the interesting meeting I had with him. Talk about that. Talk about that. Well, he never reached out to me. Tell my audience who's Doug Ducey. Lucy is the establishment governor who supported my rhino opponent in the primary and when I won, never reached out to congratulate me.

I reached out to him and arranged a meeting. When you won the primary? Yeah, I wanted to bring people together. I knew he wasn't with me and I said, that's okay. And I get into this meeting. It's the shortest chapter in the book. It's called a short meeting, chapter 13. And I go in there with gladness, gratitude, and thank you for meeting with me.

and I end up getting the silent treatment and a staring contest from Doug Ducey. I'm sitting there trying to bring the Republican Party together and saying, hey, we agree on 85, 95% of everything. Let's come together. But he really wasn't interested in. He cares about power more than he cares about the people he's supposed to represent. I mean, it's clear that he cares.

We do a meeting. We do a meeting, and I try to, you know, break the ice a little bit here. Maybe he talked about his legacy, what he did with education freedom and all kinds of things. And he would just give me a one word answer and then stared at me. And I thought this is crazy.

I'm on a campaign trail. I got stuff to do. I don't have time to sit here and do a staring contest with this. But people need to know how sick this is, that there are Republicans, okay? The Republican leaders in Georgia, I know this because of our friend Mike Lindell.

The Republican leaders in Georgia, the Republican leaders in Arizona. In a lot of these states, they are working for the dark side. They are not working for we the people. They are part of a corrupt system. This is horrifying, but we need to deal with this. It's not Republican versus Democrat. It's Uniparty versus America.

It's globalism, communism versus Americanism. So this is a short, I was ready to just, when I figured out he was going to give me one word answers. I'm like, all right, let's scrub it. I go, well, thank you very much. It was a pleasure. Thank you for the time. And then his staff freaks out thinking, oh my gosh, we can't have her leaving this meeting saying, Ducey just gave me a 10-minute meeting and didn't even talk to me and stared at me the whole time.

I found out later from somebody who knew people on the inside that he had just read a self-help book where it was a negotiating book where the person who doesn't speak for the 30 seconds is the most powerful one. So he was doing some sort of self-help help help. governor of Arizona. And I'm like, okay. That's pretty sick. We'll be right back talking to Carrie Lake. Final segment with Carrie Lake. Carrie, congratulations.

Today is the day the book is released, unafraid. I hope it just becomes such a seller because a book like this doing well can help turn the tide in this country. I know that. I know that's the way things work. If people see your face in airports, you know, if it's in the world, you know, if it's in bookstand in airports because it's a bestseller, which it will be. That helps the country, because people see you. And you are a mother of two kids. I see the picture here. You're a loving wife. You take your faith in God and the Bible. You take your marriage. You take your patriotism.

You take these things very, very seriously. And I really think you're a voice for many Americans who, feel similarly and they're wondering, is there anyone out there who's not a political hack, who's not just doing what they're told to do? And, you know, you're at the head of the pack there. So I'm just, I want to say again, Donald Trump wrote the forward to this book. I think just to make people mad, I should reissue my Bonhofer book and try to get Trump to write a forward to the Bonhofer book, just to see the heads explode. I think literally they would explode. But honestly, congratulations on the book. You've got some like juicy gossipy, stuff in here. We're not going to get into that. But you've seen stuff that most of us would never see

and you write about it in the book and I'm glad you do. But you also, since we just have a couple minutes left, you talk about using the mainstream media to your advantage because you know how they work. Yeah, I worked in it for 30 years and, you know, and I would venture to guess that everybody listening believes that the entity of the media is one of the most dangerous entities out there. One of the most dangerous forces trying to take down our country. And I'm talking to not the alternative. The independent journalists are great. I'm so thrilled that something good is coming out of all of this bad with the fake news media.

But initially, when I started my campaign, I wasn't going to do any interviews with the media. I said to my team, they're so dishonest. I'm not going to talk to any of them. And then my comms guy talked to me into doing one interview. I immediately was turned into an ambush and a hit piece. And I said, I'm never doing it. I could feel myself getting so enraged on the inside when I was doing it. this interview. I called him right away. I said, Ross, why did you let me do that? That was a disaster.

While I'm talking to Ross, my husband is rewinding and listening to the interview. And he said, Carrie, I don't know what you're talking about. That's one of the best things I've ever seen. You just tore that guy apart, up one side down the other, with class and elegance. Right. So that's when we decided that one interview, that that's going to be my superpower. I'm going to start taking the media on, head on, and we created viral moments. We got a billion dollars in earned media. during my campaign.

That's media that you don't pay for. But see, that's why the other side is so scared of you and of Trump. I mean, what Trump did on CNN recently, it's the most hilarious thing in the world. Like, it's so hilarious. They thought, let's get in here. We're going to ambush him. It's like, oh, no, you're not. He knows how to deal with you.

You know how to deal with them. So this is why they are genuinely scared to death of you, of your face, of your book, of your being a voice. in politics, we got 30 seconds left, other than wishing me a happy birthday. Happy birthday. What do you have to say? Thank you. My gift to you right there. Yes, thank you.

I would just say this is a fun book to read. It's an interesting book. You'll end up being angry at where the government is and what they're doing to us. But you will end up feeling that we can accomplish this. We can get through this. I've given it to my most burly Papa Bear friends, the toughest guys I know, and had them read it. I wanted their God-honest opinion. I've given it to my most girly Mama Bear friends, and they have all called and said, oh my gosh, I could not put the book

down. I'm exhausted. I was up till 3 a.m. I couldn't put it down. I read it cover to cover. That's the kind of book you want to buy. I promise you, it is a page-term. I have a book suggestion. How about Unafraid by Carrie Lake. Carrie, congratulations on releasing this book today and on all you're doing. God bless you. And thank you for being with me. Thank you. Thanks for having me.