The Eric Metaxas Show - Katy Faust

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Katy Faust shares her new book: "Pro-Child Politics: Why Every Cultural, Economic, and National Issue Is a Matter of Justice for Children".

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overlooks the Queens Midtown Tunnel. So it's very weird. I think we might be in a simulation. You're a tunnel family now. Apparently we're, yeah, we're one step away from turning into mold people. There are very few of those. Well, I, um, okay, so today I said it's Friday. So in hour one today, I'm talking to Lisa Bevere.

If you know that name, you're very excited. A lot of people said, wow, Lisa Bevere. I was like, yeah, that's right. That's right. And an hour two today talking to Katie Faust, so depending on which hour this is, but just two great women of faith, each of them has a brand new book out, both very important subject. So I'll leave that. A lot of announcements before I forget, I always want to say that if you're interested in

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Some of them have passed on. They're no longer with us. Tom Wolfe, my gosh, the idea that Tom Wolfe was there, lots of people. And they're all coming back for this party. Is that right or no? Well, it's going to be like the final Seinfeld episode where we're all going to be, you know, kind of in a simulated, like a prison cell. It's going to be really fun at the Union League Club.

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That's going to be November. We've got our patrons dinner, Socrates' patrons dinner with George Gilder. coming up next week in New York. A lot of Socrates stuff. But the gala, I have to say, you know, the fact that it's 25 years, it's basically unbelievable to me. My daughter was an infant and I was an infant. And it's 25 years ago.

You were both in diapers. Absolutely. For different reasons, but we can't go into that on the air. But the fact is, it's none of your business. You did a gala before for, I want to say, was it three? 15 years or 20? Like, remind me what that date was. Honestly, I don't remember.

I think it was a 15-year gala. No, I think... What was the one that you sang out? No, I think we did a 10-year thing with Chuck Colson. I believe that was... Okay. Yeah, I think. Yeah.

Let me see. It was... Yes, yes. I'm pretty sure we did like a 10-year Christmas thing. You know, I don't know. But 25 years... Which is the one that you sang at? I'm sorry to keep going back here.

I know you- Someone sang? Didn't you sing? We had the, there was an orchestra, or a band, big band, at one of them. Well, that was my 50th birthday celebration. That was not a fundraiser for Socrates in the city. And that was, that was insane. We have videotapes about, like, nobody's like, but I mean, I sang 19 songs.

We should put that out. The seven-piece band, there was dancing, and it was like, it was an insane event. We should. We should post that as a way of promoting the big gala. I think that would be good. What? Remember what we did at the last big gala? This is the new, you know, come to the new one and see what that.

There won't be, I won't, yeah, there won't be dinner and dancing and me singing. We don't know that. We don't know that. We don't know that. Anything can happen. Anything could happen. Yeah. No. Anyway, but you have to go to Socrates and the city.com.

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We've talked for years about doing something like this. we have 70-something people already signed up. I think we have like, I don't know if they give us 200 spots or 400 spots or like the boat. The cruise basically says your group can have X amount or whatever, but at some point they close it off. So if you're interested in coming on the cruise, sorry, June 6th through 16th next June. you should look into it ASAP. I was talking to my cousin Eleanor, and this is typical. Like family always kicks you to the curb.

I said, are you coming on the cruise? Have you looked at it? No, I haven't looked at it yet. That's right. My own cousin, my first cousin, the daughter, the eldest daughter of Tanta Eleanor, had not yet gone to the website to look into it. And I was shattered. I've recovered.

I'm still in recovery. but you got to go to eric mataxis.com slash cruise ericmataxis.com slash cruise. I think that's the website. No, it is. Eric mataxis.com slash cruise. But it's the brand new. It's the newest boat on the Norwegian cruise line. And we know the Norwegians are very buttoned up.

And this is the newest boat. I have to say it's exciting. And I think we mentioned the other day, if you go to the website at Ericmataxis.com slash cruise, there's a video. We're not making this up either. They have a three-level go-kart track on the top of the boat. You know I'm doing that like every day. I'm doing this every day.

If you want to ride go-carts with me and Chris and Victoria Jackson, you need to come on the cruise. It's going to be insane. That's all I care about. It's worth the price of admission just to see Victoria Jackson on a go-cart on a cruise. In a go-cart. Can you imagine?

The lunacy? It's going to be a level of lunacy you've never seen. Eric, I ran the go-cart off the boat, but the dolphin saved me. Yeah. Yeah, something like that. Something equally crazy. But I mean, this is, I don't like to push,

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Katie Fouse, welcome back. It's a really good to be with you again. A little backstory here. I wrote my first book because of you. I came and joined you on the radio show long ago back in probably 2019, and you were very encouraging for the message that we had of framing all marriage and family issues through the lens of putting children first. And you said at the end of the interview, you need to write a book.

And I said, I don't have time to write a book. I can barely get my kids to the soccer carpool on time. And you said, if you don't write a book, your movement is going nowhere. And I was like, holy cow. So our first book was born because of your encouragement. Now we are on book three, and we are taking the children before adults' perspective into all of politics. Wow. I'm frightened to think that you took me seriously.

I was only kidding about writing that book. But, hey, no, seriously, that's very funny. I forgot, Katie. My producer said that to me. I was like, really? I guess I've encouraged other people to write books, and sometimes they do. but I'm glad you did, of course, because everything you talk about is important, and sometimes you need to frame it in a book. Now, the new book called Pro Child Politics is technically not written by you, correct?

That is correct, and I'll tell you what, it is a little easier to be the editor of a book rather than the sole author of a book. There are some pitfalls and challenges, but thankfully we got the best contributors to come together for this project. I'm very grateful. It's a collection of experts who are weighing in on various aspects of this pro-child politics idea. So what do you mean by that? In other words, there are people who don't know you, don't know where you're coming from. When you say pro-child politics, what do you mean? Well, this book is a project of my nonprofit, Them Before Us.

And as the name says makes clear, the goal is to put them, the children before us, the adults. We primarily do that in matters of marriage and family. So I authored the family chapter in pro-child politics. But I've often thought that actually this should be the lens through which we view all political topics, that we should put children first, not in terms of their whims or, you know, self-directing or, you know, whatever certain feeling that they have needs to be preeminent. No, their rights, their needs, their well-being, they're flourishing, needs to come first when we consider all these different policy agendas, political issues.

And so that's what we did. We conscripted 19 subject matter experts to write about energy, the environment, immigration, national security, masculinity, masculinity, religious liberty, all from the perspective of what if we prioritized kids? What if we actually said their rights, their needs, their well-being needs to come first? So these subject matter experts who have decades and decades of experience in their respective field took on our children before adults lens and put together. There are 3,000 very tight words on, you know, their respective area of expertise. And we came out with this poem that is both a manual for child protection, but also serves as a bit of a primer on a lot of the major political issues that we bat around every election season or even just at the Thanksgiving table.

Let me just mention a few of the names that you've collected in the book, Pro Child Politics. Abby Johnson, who is a friend and a hero in the pro-life movement. Ken Harrison, who was the head of promise keepers and is a friend. The great Pichi Keenan is in this book. Obviously, you have a chapter. You mentioned that. But lots of people that are heroes, some names people will know. Grover Nordquist is in the book.

So you really do have a lot of people who are experts weighing in on this type of thing. Now, again, when we're talking about pro-child politics, what are some of the issues? And before we, I'll let you answer that, I will say I saw, I guess it was on my ex-feed yesterday, something so disturbing, two men who used a surrogate mother to have a child. There are a number of issues that come out of that, but we all know that men cannot make kids. You need a man and a woman. We sometimes call them the mother and the father. But we now, through technology, have the ability to do strange things.

And so you have these two men that wanted a baby, and they go through this process. And these aren't just two men, but they're two men who come across as particularly effeminate and insane. And they're just gushing on, you know, this video about their baby. And it was just viscerally disturbing to watch that. And I don't know if that was something that you're familiar with, but it touches on some of the issues that we're getting into here. Well, now you're in my lane. You are driving straight down the highway of them before us. You know, we spend a lot of our time as a children's rights movement talking about why children need not just a mother and father, but their mother and father whenever possible. And that video has been very disturbing and shared widely. It's not the first time they've posted about that.

The first time we saw that a highly makeuped man with a beard and braids and manicured nails was when one of his, those poor infants was placed chin quivering on his chest, very clearly looking for his own mother and being, you know, captured and held by a completely foreign guy that the child had no connection with at all and was the baby was inconsolable. And now, you know, there are three months into this, you know, child acquisitions. project and really looks to me like these children are functioning more as accessories to them of course for their program life so i do spend you know we wrote an entire book about the importance of a child's own mother and father for identity formation for maximum child development for making

sure that children are safe and loved for high levels of attachment and bonding that's what the entire first book then before us is about but i captured all of those core issues in the 3 000 words of my family chapter in pro-child politics. So if you need a lens through which to critique what you see when you see two men who have purchased and commodified motherless children and what that cost the kid, you can go to pro-child politics and you can get the quick hit cliff notes version of how you reject that beyond just, this is wrong. Something isn't right here. There's very, very tangible victimization of children going on, very obvious violations of their natural rights. And we need to be able to stand against it. Well, look, and it seems obvious when you see this. It really is so

disturbing. I didn't retweet it or share it because it is so disturbing. I mean, sometimes we should share disturbing things, but I thought it's horrifying. It's absolutely horrifying because if you care about this baby, you know that this baby doesn't want to be owned by these creepy men that have zero connection with this child. It's just, it's child abuse. It's, it's just wrong on so many levels, but this is where we are. We're at a point, I think the real issue, Katie, is the brazenness. In other words, it's one thing for things to go on. It's another thing for a bearded man wearing makeup to put himself out there on a video. I mean, it's a level of insanity that is, It's disturbing because it's one thing that we know they're crazy people,

but then they're crazy people advertising their craziness and putting themselves out there. We're living in horrifying times. We're just seeing that video was just the clearest picture of it. That's exactly right. And I retweeted that video and my caption said something like, the only reason this is allowed is because babies are helpless. If they could speak for themselves, articulate their pain, advocate on their own, we would never allow this. Never. The only reason why we are allowing this level of child victimization

is because kids can't defend themselves. And that is our job. It is our job as adults to defend children, their fundamental rights, well-being, and needs. And that actually is the governing philosophy of pro-child politics. Kids cannot fight their own battles. We, the adults, have to put them before us. We, the adults, need to prioritize them in all of these policy matters, whether it's economic issues or or questions about energy or even the business world, ESG and DEI, you know, when it comes to education, right, they can't fight to have an innocence protecting actual, like stimulating their their mental development education. They cannot advocate for themselves. It is adults who must advocate on their behalf. They cannot speak into race issues. We need to give

them the clarity on race issues. They cannot speak into why religious liberty matters. We need to defend religious liberty on their behalf. We need to start looking at all matters, culture, law, and technology. We need to look at national security issues all through the lens of, are you protecting or are you victimizing kids? Because what we are doing to children in every area of this country right now is putting them last. And that is what we're hoping to reverse in pro-child politics.

And by the way, folks, if you ever needed proof that we've gone over the edge, that something is profoundly wrong in a way it's never been, Here it is, because to not prioritize kids, everybody should know, wow, how did he go that wrong? So the book is pro-child politics. I'll continue my conversation in a moment with the author, Katie Faust. Hey, this is Eric Mattaxas. For years, I've told you about Nutrametics, a professional supplement brand trusted by doctors since 1993. Nutrametics offers a variety of health bundles.

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some of whom we know on pro-child politics from different angles. Katie, you are the president of Them Before Us, which advances the rights and well-being of children across the globe. Is there a website for Them Before Us?com is the place to go. Go subscribe. Go support our work. We are limited only by funding at this point. We have way more invitations for our connection, investment, help.

We are taking this child-centric message everywhere. You know, we are working on a documentary with focus on the family that is going to be globally distributed. I'm on the advisory board for Jordan Peterson's new project, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. I mean, like, we are taking the child-centric message into every area, culture, law, technology, corporations, because children deserve representation.

And that's what we've tried to do in this next book is to say, what does it look like to really represent the rights of children? When we're having conversations about the environment, environmental policy, what does it look like to represent the rights of children when we are examining the mounting levels of national debt that we are taking on? What does it look like to represent the rights of children when we're talking about battling back the forces of pornography or thinking correctly about digital technology? I conscripted the top experts in all of these different areas to help you think. carefully about child defense. And you know, I'll tell you something that is fascinating when you actually prioritize kids in all of these different areas, whether it's marriage and family, which is where marriage, then before us primarily focuses, or in all of these other fiscal matters, right, or cultural matters or corporate matters. You not only get child protection,

but you get solid, conservative policy. And that's something that Molly Hemingway noted in her blurb in the front of the book. There's something that happens when you prioritize the next generation in all of these conversations, you get real conservatism, pure conservatism, not the kind that is going to be driven about and tossed about by the waves of the sea. No, you're going to get enduring conservative policy because that's what happens when you actually put them before us. Well, see, there's a, there's like a magic thing that happens here because this is biblical. Let's let's call it what it is.

This is God's idea, so we can call it conservative or whatever we want. This is God's idea. Now, you have a number of endorsements on the book from people, all of whom I just love and respect. Molly Hemingway, you just mentioned Robbie Starbuck, Total Hero. Miranda Devine, I bump into her here in New York. She's a columnist for The New York Post. She has been a heroic, genuine journalist, amazing. And then finally, our friend Megan Basham, the author of The

the book Shepherds for sale, all of them weigh in on the importance of this. And I want to get into this because, you know, you said that, well, let me read Molly Hemingway's endorsement. So she writes, she's the editor-in-chief at the Federalist. She says, a strange thing happens when you examine every cultural, economic, and national issue through the lens of child protection. You end up with conservatism, but not rigid or academic conservatism, conservatism that speaks about who we are for, not what we're.

we are against. Pro-child politics is not only good for kids, but smart policy. Now, the reason for that, I just said it, it's biblical. This is God's idea. The weakest of the week, we're supposed to protect them. So we get that when we say, you know, if there's a community where there's poverty in the inner city, we somehow know it's my duty to worry about those people. If I have more power than they do, I need to use it to help them. We get that idea. It's a biblical idea. You don't get it from any place but the Bible. But the one people group that is genuinely utterly helpless and weak is children. So there's nothing more obvious. But I think the reason we are where we are is because things have gotten so crazy in the culture as we've gotten secular and away from God and away from fundamentals.

We have allowed these kinds of things leading up to things like the video we described of these two bizarre men who have somehow legally kidnapped this baby. So that's kind of where we are. But that's the idea behind everything you're doing. Yeah, that's right. And we really can look at every area of politics and say, we are putting ourselves before children. And like you said, this is actually a fundamental matter of justice,

especially if you consider yourself to be a Christian. There is nothing in scripture, in the Bible. biblical worldview that says the weak should sacrifice for the strong. That is injustice. And yet that is exactly what we are doing to kids on every issue, whether it is the way that we are running our taxes, our economy, and the way that we are not favoring, you know, economic policy that allows parents to earn a wage to support their own kids. We are favoring, you know, foreign corporations in a lot of different ways, whether it's the way that we are leveraging debt onto our children. Children are being born into tens of thousands of dollars of debt for an honorary

library here or a bridge there. You know, we are paying, you know, it's fiscal child abuse, as Phil Kirpin says in that chapter, you know, what we're doing in terms of the debt that we're leveraging on kids. When it comes to how we are shaping their identity with the narratives that we have around masculinity, femininity, race, personhood, we are stealing the dignity from children. We are stealing their ability to form a healthy identity because we are getting these fundamental matters about the nature of what it means to be human wrong. What we are doing in every area of politics is forcing kids to sacrifice for us, and that is an injustice. It is an injustice that especially Christians need to identify and stand against. Folks, we'll be right back.

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Welcome back. I'm talking with Katie Faust, F-A-U-S-T, who has a new book out called Pro Child Politics. You can find her at Them Before Us.com. Katie, got to ask you the question. How did you get into this? Because I remember some of it, but my audience maybe doesn't know your story. You're a mom. But what got you into doing what you're doing? Rage. Rage.

Well, that's not a bad thing. What was it specifically? It wasn't just general rage. I know that. It was rage at injustice that you were seeing. Yeah. It was very targeted rage. You know, I first saw it on the issue of the definition of marriage, where we were, in

essence, forcing children to sacrifice their fundamental right to be known and love. by their mother and father to advance a political narrative that required that they lose their mother or father. So that's really what gay marriage was about. It was an overhaul of the family with children as the victims. And I didn't see a lot of people speaking up on their behalf about that. And so I just started blogging and writing and eventually in 2018 founded them before us because I felt like children needed formal advocacy. They needed somebody to stand up for them both in the culture and the courtroom. They needed somebody to speak to the hearts and work to change laws. And so that's what we do at them before us. We seek to represent the rights and well-being of children, especially on matters of marriage and family.

But the reality is children are being victimized in every major political issue. And I'm generally pretty easygoing and agreeable. But man, you make kids sacrifice for you. And the mama bear comes out. And I say, not on my watch. Like, get behind me, Satan. So that's what we need right now. We need an army of people to rise up in child defense.

I'm so grateful that there's a parental rights movement afoot. That's a huge part of this. And Tiffany Justice, Moms for Liberty founder, wrote our education chapter, and she talks about parental rights and pro-child politics. But parental rights are not enough. We need to start adopting a posture of child defense in all of these different areas. It's good for us to be able to direct the upbringing education and medical care of our own kids. But outside of our kids, we need to start defending children.

We need to start defending all children from the variety of threats that are coming at them. A lot of that, unfortunately, has to do with the policies that we are advancing as a country. So the amazing thing is you can take this template of put children before adults. You can apply it to nearly every political issue that is out there. Our 19 subject matter experts has explained exactly how to do that in the book. And I'll tell you something else that they did that is rare on the right side of the aisle. And that is they properly identify the victims, which are always kids when we get things like national security or immigration or pornography wrong.

And then they humanized them. I required every author to start their chapter with a real life story of a child who is victimized because we got ESG wrong, because we got end. energy wrong, because we got national security wrong, because we got taxes wrong, because we got environmental policy wrong. There are very real victims when we believe progressive lies about all of these topics, and the victims are always kids. Well, there's an irony here, right? Because it's kind of like bad policies always harm people, right? And always harm the weakest and the poorest. That's the way it always works. So you say, we're going to have a war on poverty, LBJ, you know,

know, zillions of dollars. How did that go? It hurt poor people. It harmed poor people. It increased poverty. So here we are. All of these things, we sort of, you know, you and I would say, well, yeah, that's wrong, that's wrong, that's wrong. But now we have the stories of, let me show you how it's wrong. And in every case, one of the ways it's going to be wrong is it's going to harm children. So, and of course, again, we're talking about selfishness. And we know anybody can be selfish. But when you talk about the same-sex marriage, the idea, that we have just said, listen, it's politically incorrect to say every child wants a mother, every child wants a father.

But we all know every child would like to have a mother and a father. We all know that, but oh, you're not supposed to say that. Why? Well, because it might hurt someone's feelings. Yeah, an adult, an adult. It might hurt an adult's feelings. But the point is, when I was a kid, I mean, if somebody said, well, no, you don't get to have a father. You don't get to have a mother.

this is as basic as it gets. Going back, you know, throughout American history, this has not been questioned. Suddenly, the most central instinct, the most obvious truth that every child longs for a mother, longs for a father. That's been wiped away. That is revolutionary. This is not like a little thing. This is a gigantic thing. And what follows from it is horrific. And finally, you're leading the pack in shining the spotlight on these abuses. Yeah, and you know, this is we're now at a level of when you say children don't have a right to their mother and father, they don't need, they don't want their mother and father. I mean, we're now at the two plus two equals five level of gaslighting when it comes to cultural narratives. Children come from a man and woman. They need that man and woman. That man and woman maximizes their development, grants them their biological identity. Statistically are the safest adults in a child's life. And children crave the love of their mother and father. If we cannot recognize that, I mean, in service to, like you said, adult feeling, adult identity, adult desires, I mean, we really are just forcing children to be sacrifices on the altar of adult identity at that point. And that is an injustice. And we see that same level of injustice taking place across the political spectrum. Obviously, our work really focuses on marriage and family and the very direct connection between elevating adult desire above child rights and child victimization.

But it is happening everywhere. It's happening in education. It's happening on matters of abortion and IVF, as Abby Johnson talks about in her chapter. It's happening on matters of debt. And it's happening when we look at, you know, ESG and DEI. I mean, Robbie Starbuck, who blurbed our book, is doing such an amazing job of taking down this, you know, corporate equality index machine that has been driving so much in the corporate world these days. and ultimately, children are the victims of those kinds of, you know, attack on meritocracy. And so we really, I believe, have to start looking at all these different issues through the lens of put kids first.

Now, give us an example. We just got seconds in this segment, but of how are kids harmed by ESG, DEI. Give us a quick example. Well, obviously, it's an attack on meritocracy. And obviously, what you're doing through these corporate, agendas is you're actually targeting kids with anti-equality. I mean, equity, but anti-equality, right? Diversity that elevates, you know, race or gender above meritocracy, above their own individuality. I mean, we are sending a false message to children, and we are doing it through

some of the most powerful corporations that actually outmatch some countries in terms of, like, GDP and profit margins. We are taking, you know, so much of what's happening in the corporate world, we are forcing a lie on kids through a lot of the different media and programming. You know, he mentions Disney in this. Actually, when we come back, I want to talk about that because, folks, this is all so important. The book is pro-child politics. The author is Katie Faust. We'll be right back.

I'm talking to Katie Faust, president of them before us and go to Them Before Us. com. The new book is Pro Child Politics. Katie, we're just talking about how DEI and ESG harm kids. and you were just mentioning Disney, some of these monster corporations that a lot of people listening to us right now give their money to these evil entities.

Folks, if you're doing that, you should stop because every dime you give to Disney is harming children. Does that stop you for a minute? So go ahead, Katie. That's exactly right. And, you know, Justin Dan Hoff, who is one of the originators of Strive,

Vivek Ramoswamy's organization, wrote our ESG and DEI chapter. And I will tell you what, I mean, he hits hard. And it's not just supporting Disney. I mean, it is supporting some of these major, you know, financial organizations that are directing so much of your own retirement. I mean, you are funding ESG and DEI initiatives. I mean, you are, unfortunately, with a lot of your savings, the engine that is being, you know, fueling so much of the attack on things like meritocracy, things on actual equality. You know, and so he talks about how, well, first of all, he starts off his charge.

chapter with the story of a little girl in Sri Lanka who used to live a middle class life until Sri Lanka imposed ESG standards and overhauled their economy and their social governance system to match, you know, the ESG priorities. And you know what happened? It plunged them into poverty and desperation. I mean, that is what happens. ESG actually underlies so many of all of the other topics in the book, whether it's the cultural issues, how we think about masculinity, femininity, family, how we look at economic issues. The ESG, you know, the levers that are being pulled through these massive corporations actually have a major impact on families and thus on children.

Well, what we're talking about is atheistic cultural Marxism, folks. That's what this is. And when you have atheistic cultural Marxism or actual communism, what happened? you know, you get planes where the doors fall off or the planes crash or you get bridges that fall down, you get economies that crash. That's what actually happens. So if you care about kids, if you care about people, you have to understand these things will harm people. And these people will subvert everything that's right and good and true.

And it puts, I mean, let's be honest, if you have an utterly atheistic worldview, do. The logical outworking of that is that children are commodities. The logical outworking of that is that, you know, I've got to live for me because there is no afterlife. There is no justice. I've got to. The things that follow are very, very dark. And that's basically what we're talking about. So all these things that are wrong harm actual people. They're not just wrong theoretically. They don't work. They hurt people. And you've just examined a little. bit of that. We've got less than 60 seconds left. Katie Faust, what else? Well, mainly what I really want people to understand is that this, the way we need to talk about, especially if you consider yourself a conservative, that left has painted us into a corner of being anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-poor, anti-black, no. We are pro-child. We are four children. We're for their rights. They're thriving, their well-being. And we need to start talking differently. We need to maintain, and I would say double down on the

the great ideas that we have about economics, human flourishing, history, you know, national security. But we need to do it in a sense of talking about who we are for. We are four kids. We need to message better. We need to message differently. And if we can, we are going to get both individual child thriving and social thriving as well. All right, folks, many of you are going to get this book because you know it's loaded with great stuff by great writers, edited by Katie Faust. You can go to them before us.com.

But the book, brand new book, very important, a lot of important names and ideas. It is pro-child politics. Katie Faust, I'm so glad I encourage you to write the first book. Congratulations on the third. God bless you. Thanks for having me.