The Eric Metaxas Show - Katy Faust (Encore)

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Katy Faust shares her new book: "Pro-Child Politics: Why Every Cultural, Economic, and National Issue Is a Matter of Justice for Children".

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I continue my conversation with Mel Kay. The book is Americans Anonymous. So Mel, you were just talking about these folks who are, they're scared to death of what's going to happen. God forbid Trump and we the people get back in power. They're scared. And so they will do anything, including put a bullet in his head or anyone's head. they've done it before. They murdered JFK. Roger Stone has been on this program talking about how, you know,

Woodward and Bernstein and all that was to get Nixon. This was not something that just happened. He's talking about, he's writing a book about how they tried to kill Reagan. I always thought, oh, it was just, you know, John Hinkley or what? No, no, it's good. Now, again, it's stunning to hear this kind of stuff because I, I always thought, I bought into the standard narrative on Watergate. I bought into the standard narrative on Reagan.

And it is tough to kind of realize, okay, I think I might have gotten that wrong. There's a bigger picture here. I always worry when people go too far. And it's like they get into, oh, yeah, the earth is flat. We never went to the moon. And, oh, and by the way, like, these are actually lizard people. You know, that's part of the problem is that there's some people, they're only too happy to believe all this stuff. and then add insanity to that.

So shame on them and they need to cut it out because we have real problems here. And that's what we're talking about. So what do you think you were talking about lawfare? But it just seems to me that, you know, if they were willing to release the COVID virus, if they were willing to, if you read Naomi Wolf's book, you know, the Pfizer papers. I mean, this is deeply, deeply wicked stuff. This is like Hitler level. murder of million stuff.

And I don't know why we think that, well, Hitler, they would do that, but no one else would ever do that. Of course they would do that if they could do it and they could do it. So they would do anything. We know that they would do absolutely anything between now and the election, after the election. So what else do you think? Is it just law fair, you think?

Or do you think that they have other things? Because I don't put it past them to, you know, invite World War III so that we have a reason, you know, not to vote or not to insubes. install our elected president in January? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they are running towards World War III. The good news is that nobody has taken Anthony Blinken, Sullivan, Victoria Newland, Rice, power, all these people that are, you know, on the forefront of

trying to destroy everything that we have, that we value on planet Earth, are being outed. The rest of the world sees them. They've established the BRICS nations. The only person right now. Honestly, like I said, if Trump wins, I believe he will win. It's not about Trump winning. It is about we, the people, winning.

When people ask you who you're voting for right now, it could not be more stark, the directions. A global totalitarian takeover or restoring America. If you're with the restoring America, Trump winning has nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with you. When people ask you who you're voting for, you should be saying, I'm voting for myself, my family, my future, and my country. not for a man, but for me. Because all of this infestation has been going on for decades, it's infested every single community, every county, every state.

We cannot do as much about D.C., and I believe that there is a big team to counter their lawfare crew. But we can and must be the people to drain the swamp in our local communities, in our states, talking about balancing the budgets in our states. If every state balanced their budget, they wouldn't be taking money and being slaves to this corrupt vassal state in Washington, D.C.C.C. There's a lot that we can demand, including making lobbying illegal. NGOs no longer get 501C3, 501C4 status because they have abused that power by having foundations. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, all the UN, open society, none of them pay taxes.

If you look at all the NGOs and globalists, that's about $13 trillion in taxes. not being paid to the United States under this 501C3, 501C4 nonsense. It's also infected, I believe, by design, churches and synagogues. So that's a whole issue. We have to go into think tanks. Who's funding them, especially Brookings and Atlanta Council, but a lot of think tanks are funded by foreign adversaries. And then you look at the next level.

When I talk about, and this should be empowering to the American citizens, we are captured by a global public-private partnership that treats America like it's a parent company and that we're just lucky to live here. Well, that is not how it is and it's up to us to turn it upside down and demand to know why BlackRock and Vanguard own the biggest shares and voting rights

on every media, every corporation basically, all of the banks, there is something terribly wrong and then when you connect Black Rock and Vanguard to the global billionaire oligarchy and follow the money, it all becomes very clear. And I understand them not wanting to lose power, But we the people of the United States did not sign on to have an oligarchy running this country.

We signed on for the people, by the people, and have to start acknowledging that we had this happen. And again, the book is called Americans Anonymous because we need a recovery program, very similar. We need an intervention. And American people have to take back their individual liberty, their righteous indignation that this is our country. Take back the pride. This has been chipped away at, I'm sure you know about Besmanoff's interview. 80s, the defector from Russia, that laid out exactly how they were going to, the communists, infiltrate and take over America.

Well, he was absolutely right. And this is about demoralization, dehumanization, normalization. We are at the precipice. I do believe that they've never been so close to their one-world top-down government, and yet they've never been so far. And that is because people like you and me and other people have had it. There's no such thing as disinformation or misinformation. There's only information.

And God gave us the best computer in our brain. It is not up to the government or the oligarchs running the government to tell us what is true, what is the right information. And first and foremost, we have to ourselves demand that ourselves, we figure out the right information and work from there and stop being manipulated. Next time you come on this program, if you don't mind, have a cup of coffee because I'm getting a lot of low energy Jeb here. And it's just not good for the program. I'm just saying that as a friend. Listen, when you mentioned, we're talking about such serious stuff, I have to joke. I write about this, to some extent, in my new book, Religinalist Christianity, that this is satanic.

This is one-world government. Some people are aware of that, and some people aren't. Some people are openly worshipping the devil or quietly worshipping the devil, and other people are useful idiots. I'm not going to mention George W. Bush by name, but you can just imagine that there, There's some people, they're not all in on this. But it's so interesting to me because we know that we won't get to do all this if Trump is not elected. And there are churches all over America. People listening to this program go to churches where the pastor will not say one word about this.

And folks, shame on you for supporting a false shepherd who keeps his mouth shut when this is where we are. I beg of you to take this seriously. we are not exaggerating in this conversation. This is the horrible reality, and there's no way to win unless more people get involved, unless we win this election. And, you know, to prove, we've just got a minute left. But, you know, Mel, if you ever needed proof that there is a deep state, that there is a uniparty, the idea that Dick Cheney, that warmongering bum would endorse Kamala Harris, is disgusting that, that George W. Bush and Mike Pence have not endorsed Trump.

But he went to the next level. He endorsed Kamala Harris, the most left-wing Marxist loon we've ever had get anywhere near the presidency. And Dick Cheney endorsed her. You know, we got 30 seconds. But is that not just the craziest, obvious evidence for what we're talking about here? Because it makes no other sense. Yeah. The most disturbing part about all of this is the truth is being revealed,

which is most of the wars that we fought have been for profit for this global public-private partnership, and they still are. If you look at Ukraine now, it's completely taken over by the IMF and the multinational corporations. The entire German Marshall Fund was a fraud to set up the EU. I mean, war for profit is war for profit. Look at the people backing her, not to mention her huge backing from Hollywood. What is that about?

There's a lot to lose on their side, but their end goal, and I ask people, please go on the White House website, Look at September 2023, Harris Biden commitment to global goals. And you will see $3 trillion that's going away from us to globalism. We're out of time. Mel Kay, we love you. We'll have you back soon. Thank you.

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She has a brand new book out called Pro Child Politics. Katie Faus, welcome back. It's a really good to be with you again, a little backstory here. I wrote my first book because of you. I came and joined you on the radio show long ago back in probably 2019, and you were very encouraging for the message that we had of framing all marriage and family issues through the lens of putting children first. And you said at the end of the interview,

you need to write a book. And I said, I don't have time to write a book. I can barely get my kids to the soccer carpool on time. And you said, if you don't write a book, your movement is going nowhere. And I was like, holy cow. So our first book was born because of your encouragement. Now we are on book three.

And we are taking the children before adults' perspective into all of politics. Wow. I'm frightened to think that you took me seriously. I was only kidding about writing that book. But hey, no, seriously, that's very funny. I forgot, Katie. My producer said that to me. I was like, really?

I guess I've encouraged other people to write books. And sometimes they do. But I'm glad you did, of course, because everything you talk about is important. And sometimes you need to frame it in a book. Now, the new book called Pro Child Politics is technically not written by you, correct? That is correct. And I'll tell you what. it is a little easier to be the editor of a book rather than the sole author of a book.

There are some pitfalls and challenges, but thankfully we got the best contributors to come together for this project. I'm very grateful. It's a collection of experts who are weighing in on various aspects of this pro-child politics idea. So what do you mean by that? In other words, there are people who don't know you, don't know where you're coming from. When you say pro-child politics, What do you mean? Well, this book is a project of my nonprofit, Them Before Us. And as the name says makes clear, the goal is to put them, the children before us, the adults. We primarily do that in matters of marriage and family.

So I authored the family chapter in pro-child politics. But I've often thought that actually this should be the lens through which we view all political topics, that we should put children first, not in terms of their whims or, you know, self-directing or, you know, whatever certain feeling that they have. needs to be preeminent. No, their rights, their needs, their well-being, they're flourishing, needs to come first when we consider all these different policy agendas, political issues. And so that's what we did. We conscripted 19-subject matter experts to write about energy, the environment, immigration, national security, masculinity, femininity, religious liberty,

all from the perspective of what if we prioritize kids? What if we actually said their rights, their needs, their well-being needs to, to come first. So these subject matter experts who have decades and decades of experience in their respective field took on our children before adults lens and put together 3,000 very tight words on their respective area of expertise. And we came out with this poem that is both a manual for child protection, but also serves as a bit of a primer on a lot of the major political issues that we bat around every election season or even just at the Thanksgiving table. Let me just mention a few of the names that you've collected in the book, Pro Child Politics.

Abby Johnson, who is a friend and a hero in the pro-life movement. Ken Harrison, who was the head of promise keepers and is a friend. The great Peachie Keenan is in this book. Obviously, you have a chapter. You mentioned that. But lots of people that are heroes, some names people will know, Grover Nordquist is in the book. So you really do have a lot of people who are experts weighing in on this type of thing. Now, again, when we're talking about pro-child politics, what are some of the issues?

And before we, I'll let you answer that, I will say I saw, I guess it was on my ex-feed yesterday, something so disturbing. Two men who used a surrogate mother to have a child. There are a number of issues that come out of that. But we all know that men cannot make kids. You need a man and a woman. We sometimes call them the mother and the father. But we now, through technology, have the ability to do strange things. And so you have these two men that wanted a baby and they go through this process. And these aren't just two men, but they're two men who come across as particularly effeminate and insane. And they're just gushing on, you know, this video about their baby. And it was just viscerally disturbing to watch that. I don't know if that was something that you're familiar with, but it touches on some of the issues that we're getting into here. Well, now you're in my lane.

You are driving straight down the highway of them before us. You know, we spend a lot of our time as a children's rights movement talking about why children need not just a mother and father, but their mother and father whenever possible. And that video has been very disturbing and shared widely. It's not the first time they've posted about that. The first time we saw that a highly makeuped man with a beard and braids and manicured nails was when one of his, those poor infants was placed chin quivering on his chest, very clearly looking for his own mother and being, you know, captured and held by a completely foreign guy that the child had no connection with at all and was the baby was inconsolable.

And now, you know, there are three months into this, you know, child acquisitions. project and really looks to me like these children are functioning more as accessories to them of course for their program life so i do spend you know we wrote an entire book about the importance of a child's own mother and father for identity formation for maximum child development for making sure that children are safe and loved for high levels of attachment and bonding that's what the entire first book then before us is about but i captured all of those core issues in the 3 000 words of my family chapter in pro-child politics. So if you need a lens through which to critique what you see when you see two men who have purchased and commodified motherless children and what that cost

the kid, you can go to pro-child politics and you can get the quick hit cliff notes version of how you reject that beyond just, this is wrong. Something isn't right here. There's very, very tangible victimization of children going on, very obvious violations of their natural rights. And we need to be able to stand against it. Well, look, and it seems obvious when you see this. It really is so disturbing. I didn't retweet it or share it because it is so disturbing. I mean, sometimes we should share disturbing things, but I thought it's horrifying. It's absolutely horrifying because if you care about this baby, you know that this baby doesn't want to be owned by these creepy men that have zero connection with this child. It's just, it's child abuse. It's, it's just wrong on so many levels,

but this is where we are. We're at a point, I think the real issue, Katie, is the brazenness. In other words, it's one thing for things to go on. It's another thing for a bearded man wearing makeup to put himself out there on a video. I mean, it's a level of insanity that is, It's disturbing because it's one thing that we know they're crazy people, but then they're crazy people advertising their craziness and putting themselves out there. We're living in horrifying times. Just seeing that video was just the clearest picture of it. That's exactly right.

And I retweeted that video and my caption said something like, the only reason this is allowed is because babies are helpless. If they could speak for themselves, articulate their pain, advocate on their own, we would never allow this. Never. The only reason why we are allowing this level of child victimization is because kids can't defend themselves. And that is our job. It is our job as adults to defend children, their fundamental rights, well-being, and needs. And that actually is the governing philosophy of pro-child politics. Kids cannot fight their own battles. We, the adults, have to put them before us. We, the adults, need to prioritize them in all of these policy matters, whether it's economic, or questions about energy, or even the business world, ESG and DEI, you know, when it comes to education, right, they can't fight to have an innocence protecting actual, like stimulating their mental development education. They cannot advocate for themselves. It is adults who must advocate on their behalf. They cannot speak into race issues. We need to give them the

clarity on race issues. They cannot speak into why religious liberty matters. We need to defend religious liberty on their behalf. We need to start looking at all matters, culture, law, and technology. We need to look at national security issues all through the lens of, are you protecting or are you victimizing kids? Because what we are doing to children in every area of this country right now is putting them last. And that is what we're hoping to reverse in pro-child politics. And by the way, folks, if you ever needed proof that we've gone over the edge, that something is profoundly wrong in a way it's never been, here it is. Because to not prioritize kids, everybody should know, wow, how did you go that wrong?

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I'm talking to Katie Faust, who has put together a new book titled Pro-Child Politics, which is a bunch of essays that she's commissioned from experts, some of whom we know on pro-child politics from different angles. Katie, you are the president of Them Before Us, which advances the rights and well-being of children across the globe. Is there a website for Them Before Us?com is the place to go. Go subscribe. Go support our work.

We are limited only by funding at this point. We have way more. invitations for our connection, investment, help. We are taking this child-centric message everywhere. You know, we are working on a documentary with focus on the family that is going to be globally distributed. I'm on the advisory board for Jordan Peterson's new project, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship.

I mean, like, we are taking the child-centric message into every area, culture, law, technology, corporations, because children deserve representation. And that's what we've tried to do in this next book, is to say, what does it look like to really represent the rights of children? When we're having conversations about the environment, environmental policy, what does it look like to represent the rights of children when we are examining the mounting levels of national debt that we are taking on?

What does it look like to represent the rights of children when we're talking about battling back the forces of pornography or thinking correctly about digital technology? I conscripted the top experts in all of these different areas to help you think carefully about child defense. And, you know, I'll tell you something that is fascinating when you actually prioritize kids in all of these different areas, whether it's marriage and family, which is where marriage, then before us primarily focuses, or in all of these other fiscal matters, right, or cultural matters or corporate matters. You not only get child protection, but you get solid, conservative policy. And that's something that Molly Hemingway noted in her blurb in the front of the book. There's something that happens when you prioritize the next generation in all of these conversations. you get real conservatism, pure conservatism, not the kind that is going to be driven about and tossed about by the waves of the sea.

No, you're going to get enduring conservative policy because that's what happens when you actually put them before us. Well, see, there's a, there's like a magic thing that happens here because this is biblical. Let's let's call it what it is. This is God's idea, so we can call it conservative or whatever we want. This is God's idea. Now, you have a number of endorsements on the book from people, all of whom I just love and respect. Molly Hemingway, you just mentioned Robbie Starbuck, Total Hero. Miranda Devine, I bump into her here in New York.

She's a columnist for The New York Post. She has been a heroic, genuine journalist, amazing. And then finally, our friend Megan Basham, the author of the book Shepherds for sale, of them weigh in on the importance of this. And I want to get into this because, you know, you said that, well, let me read Molly Hemingway's endorsement. So she writes, she's the editor-in-chief at the Federalist. She says, a strange thing happens when you examine every cultural, economic, and national issue through the lens of child protection. You end up with conservatism, but not rigid or academic conservatism, conservatism that speaks about who we are for, not what we are

against. Pro child politics is not only good for kids, but smart policy. Now, the reason for that, I just said it, it's biblical. This is God's idea. The weakest of the week, we're supposed to protect them. So we get that when we say, you know, if there's a community where there's poverty in the inner city, we somehow know it's my duty to worry about those people. If I have more power than they do, I need to use it to help them. We get that idea. It's a biblical idea. You don't get it from any other but the Bible. But the one people group that is genuinely utterly helpless and weak is children. So there's nothing more obvious. But I think the reason we are where we are is because things have gotten so crazy in the culture as we've gotten secular and away from God and away from fundamentals.

We have allowed these kinds of things leading up to things like the video we described of these two bizarre men who have somehow legally kidnapped this baby. So that's kind of where we are. But that's the idea behind everything you're doing. Yeah, that's right. And we really can look at every area of politics and say, we are putting ourselves before children. And like you said, this is actually a fundamental matter of justice,

especially if you consider yourself to be a Christian. There is nothing in scripture, in the biblical worldview, that says the weak should sacrifice for the strong. That is injustice. And yet that is exactly what we are doing to kids on every issue, whether it is the way that we are running our taxes, our economy, and the way that we are not favoring, you know, economic policy that allows parents to earn a wage to support their own kids. We are favoring, you know, foreign corporations in a lot of different ways, whether it's the way that we are leveraging debt onto our children. children are being born into tens of thousands of dollars of debt for an honorary library here or a bridge there. You know, we are paying.

You know, it's fiscal child abuse, as Phil Kirpin says in that chapter, you know, what we're doing in terms of the debt that we're leveraging on kids. When it comes to how we are shaping their identity with the narratives that we have around masculinity, femininity, race, personhood, we are stealing the dignity from children. We are stealing their ability to form a healthy identity because we are getting these fundamental matters about the nature of what it means to be human wrong. What we are doing in every area of politics is forcing kids to sacrifice for us, and that is an injustice. It is an injustice that especially Christians need to identify and stand against. Folks, we'll be right back. We're talking to Katie Faust. The organization is Them Before Us.

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Politics. You can find her at them before us.com. Katie, got to ask you the question, how did you get into this? Because I remember some of it, but my audience maybe doesn't know your story. You're a mom, but what got you into doing what you're doing? Rage. Rage. Well, that's not a bad thing. What was it specifically? It wasn't just general rage. I know that. It was rage at injustice that you were seeing. Yeah, it was very targeted rage. You know, I first saw it on the issue of the definition of marriage where we were, in essence, forcing children to sacrifice their fundamental right to be known in love by their mother and father

to advance a political narrative that required that they lose. their mother or father. So that's really what gay marriage was about. It was an overhaul of the family with children as the victims. And I didn't see a lot of people speaking up on their behalf about that. And so I just started blogging and writing and eventually in 2018 founded them before us because I felt like children needed formal advocacy. They needed somebody to stand up for them both in the culture and the courtroom. They needed somebody to speak to the hearts and work to change laws. And so that's what we do at them before us. We seek to represent the rights and well-being of children, especially on matters of marriage and family. But the reality is children are being victimized

in every major political issue. And I'm generally pretty easygoing and agreeable. But man, you make kids sacrifice for you. And the mama bear comes out. And I say, not on my watch. Like, get behind me, Satan. So that's what we need right now. We need an army of people to rise up in child defense. I'm so grateful that there's a parental rights movement afoot. That's a huge part of this. And Tiffany Justice, Moms for Liberty founder, wrote our education chapter. And she talks about parental rights in pro-child politics.

But parental rights are not enough. We need to start adopting a posture of child defense in all of these different areas. It's good for us to be able to direct the upbringing education and medical care of our own kids. But outside of our kids, we need to start. defending children. We need to start defending all children from the variety of threats that are coming at them. A lot of that, unfortunately, has to do with the policies that we are advancing as a country. So the amazing thing is you can take this template of put children before adults. You can apply it to nearly every political issue that is out there. Our 19 subject matter

experts has explained exactly how to do that in the book. And I'll tell you something else that they did that is rare on the right side of the aisle. And that is, They properly identified the victims, which are always kids when we get things like national security or immigration or pornography wrong. And then they humanized them. I required every author to start their chapter with a real life story of a child who is victimized because we got ESG wrong, because we got energy wrong, because we got national security wrong, because we got taxes wrong, because we got environmental policy wrong. There are very real victims when we believe progressive lies about all of these topics, and the victims are always kids. Well, there's an irony here, right? Because it's kind of like bad policies always harm people, right? And always harm the weakest and the poorest. That's the way it always works.

So you say, we're going to have a war on poverty, LBJ, you know, zillions of dollars. How did that go? It hurt poor people. It harmed poor people. It increased poverty. So here we are, all of these things, we sort of, you know, you and I would say, well, yeah, that's wrong, that's wrong, that's wrong. But now we have the stories of, let me show you how it's wrong. And in every case, one of the ways it's going to be wrong is it's going to harm children. And of course, again, we're talking about selfishness, and we know anybody can be selfish. But when you talk about same-sex marriage, the idea that we have just said, listen, it's politically incorrect to say every child wants a mother. Every child wants a father.

But we all know every child would like to have a mother and a father. We all know that. But, oh, you're not supposed to say that. Why? Well, because it might hurt someone's feelings. Yeah, an adult. An adult. It might hurt an adult's feelings.

But the point is, when I was a kid, I mean, if somebody said, well, no, you don't get to have a father. You don't get to have a mother. This is as basic as it gets. Going back, you know, throughout American history, this has not been questioned. And suddenly the most central instinct, the most obvious truth that every child longs for a mother, longs for a father, that's been wiped away. That is revolutionary. This is not like a little thing. This is a gigantic thing.

And what follows from it is horrific. And finally, you're leading the pack in shining the spotlight on these abuses. Yeah. And, you know, this is we're now at a level of when you say children don't have a right to their mother and father, they don't need, they don't want their mother and and father. I mean, we're now at the two plus two equals five level of gaslighting when it comes to cultural narratives. Children come from a man and woman. They need that man and woman. That man and woman maximizes their development, grants them their biological identity. Statistically are the safest adults in a child's life. And children crave the love of their mother and father.

If we cannot recognize that, I mean, in service to, like you said, adult feeling, adult identity, adult desires. I mean, we really are just forcing children to be sacrifices on the altar of adult identity at that point. And that is an injustice. And we see that same level of injustice taking place across the political spectrum. Obviously, our work really focuses on marriage and family and the very direct connection between elevating adult desire above child rights and child victimization. But it is happening everywhere. It's happening in education. It's happening on matters of abortion and IVF, as Abby Johnson talks about, you know, in her chapter. It's happening on matters of debt.

And it's happening when we look at, you know, ESG and DEI, I mean, Robbie Starbuck, who blurbed our book, is doing such an amazing job of taking down this, you know, corporate equality index machine that has been driving so much in the corporate world these days. And ultimately, children are the victims of those kinds of, you know, attack on meritocracy. And so we really, I believe, have to start looking at all these different issues through the lens of put kids first. Now, give us an example. We just got seconds in this segment. But of how are kids harmed by ESG, DEI? Give us a quick example. Well, obviously it's an attack on meritocracy. And obviously what you're doing through these corporate agendas is you're actually targeting kids with anti-equality.

I mean, equity, but anti-equality, right? Diversity that elevates, you know, race or gender above meritocracy, above their own individuality. I mean, we are sending a false message to children and we are doing it through some of the most powerful corporations that actually outmatch some countries in terms of like, GDP and profit margins, we are taking so much of what's happening in the corporate world. And we are forcing a lie on kids through a lot of the different media and programming. You know, he mentions Disney in this. Actually, when we come back, I want to talk about that because, folks, this is all so important. The book is pro-child politics.

The author is Katie Faust. We'll be right back. I'm talking to Katie Faust, president of them before us and go to Them Before Us.com. The new book is Pro Child Politics. Katie, we're just talking about how DEI and ESG harm kids and you were just mentioning Disney, some of these monster corporations that a lot of people listening to us right now give their money to these evil entities. Folks, if you're doing that, you should stop because every dime you give to Disney is harming children. Does that stop you for a minute? So go ahead, Katie.

No, that's exactly right. And, you know, Justin Dan, who is one of the originators of strive, Vivek Ramoswamy's organization, wrote our ESG and DEI chapter. And I will tell you what, I mean, he hits hard. And it's not just supporting Disney. I mean, it is supporting some of these major, you know, financial organizations that are directing so much of your own retirement. I mean, you are funding ESG and DEI initiatives. I mean, you are, unfortunately, with a lot of your savings, the engine that is being, you know, fueling so much of the attack on things like. meritocracy, things on actual equality. You know, and so he talks about how, well, first of all, he starts off his chapter with the story of a little girl in Sri Lanka who used to live a middle

class life until Sri Lanka imposed ESG standards and overhauled their economy and their social governance system to match, you know, the ESG priorities. And you know what happened? It plunged them into poverty and desperation. I mean, that is what happens. ESG actually underlies so many of all of the other topics in the book, whether it's the cultural issues, how we think about masculinity, femininity, family, how we look at economic issues. The ESG, you know, the levers that are being pulled through these massive corporations actually have a major impact on families and thus on children. Well, what we're talking about is atheistic cultural Marxism, folks. That's what this is. And when you have atheistic cultural Marxism or actual communism, what happens?

You know, you get planes where the doors fall off or the planes crash or you get bridges that fall down. You get economies that crash. That's what actually happens. So if you care about kids, if you care about people, you have to understand these things will harm people. And these people will subvert everything that's right and good and true. And it puts, I mean, let's be honest, if you have an utterly atheistic worldview, the logical outworking of that is that children are commodities. The logical outworking of that is that, you know, I've got to live for me because there is no afterlife, there is no justice. I've got to.

The things that follow are very, very dark. And that's basically what we're talking about. So all these things that are wrong harm actual people. not just wrong theoretically. They don't work. They hurt people. And you've just examined a little bit of that. We've got less than 60 seconds left. Katie Faust, what else? Well, mainly what I really want people to understand is that this, the way we need to talk about, especially if you consider yourself a conservative, the left has painted us into a corner of being anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-poor, anti-black. No, we are pro-child. We are for children. We're for their rights. They're

thriving, their well-being, and we need to start talking differently. We need to maintain, and I would say double down on the great ideas that we have about economics, human flourishing, history, you know, national security, but we need to do it in a sense of talking about who we are for. We are four kids. We need to message better. We need to message differently. And if we can, we are going to get both individual child thriving and social thriving as well. All right, folks, many of you are going to get this book because you know it's loaded with great stuff by great writers, edited by Katie Faust. You can go to them before us.com. But the book, brand new book, very important, a lot of important names and ideas.

It is pro-child politics. Katie Faust, I'm so glad I encourage you to write the first book. Congratulations on the third. God bless you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, what they make?