The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Fish

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Ken Fish returns with an update on healing and deliverance. https://orbisministries.org/

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You know, as well as I do, what those awesome things are on social media. everywhere you turn. I just say, praise God. I think it's important for us to say God is doing these things. This is, this is God's blessing. The saints have been praying and I don't mean, you know, St. Francis. I mean the people of God. I mean the intercessors, the holy remnant, have been praying and praying and praying over the last four years and way more than that. And we are seeing God's mercy in this nation. And so I want to be the first to say, thank you, Jesus, because we don't deserve this. This is a gift. And we need to use this gift for God's purposes. We want to spread American-style self-government all over the world so the people around the world can have some of what

we have here. So we can share our faith around the world. We have religious liberty. Be bold in your faith. That's one thing that's coming to me over and over is that we need to be bolder in our faith. It's either true or it's not. I wrote a book called The Zatheism Dead where I talked about the evidence for God from science. I talk about the evidence for the Bible as history, from archaeology. That's just one example of, you know, we need to understand what we believe is true and it's wonderful and it's for everybody. It's not for Christians. It's either true or it's not. Anyway, okay, So, Chris, I want to talk. Yeah, I just wanted to mention, you know, this idea that Trump is winning so quickly.

It is hard to, you know, we record in the morning. And if something happens later in the day, we're not going to be able to get to until the next day or, you know, sometimes we record for the next day in the afternoon. It's like that episode of I Love Lucy where she and Ethel get that job at the candy factory with the chocolates. It's like coming out too fast. All this stuff's coming out too fast. It's hard to keep up. We have to put some of this winning, you know, in our pockets, down our shirts, in our mouths. It's like a fire hose of winning we can't keep up with.

It's a fire hose of winning. Thank you. But I want to say again, you know, we need to praise God because this is not just, oh, yeah, rah, ra, we're winning. This is people have paid a lot of prices. I've paid a price and many of us have paid a price. This has been a battle and it continues to be a battle. So it's, anyway, there's so much to be said. I want to say a few things.

So today's Wednesday. Tomorrow we have our Socrates and the city event in Palm Beach. If you want to watch it live, go to Socratesin the city.com. I guess there's some question whether Senator Josh Hawley will make it. Maybe we'll have a surprise guest. That's never happened before. So I have no idea what's. going to happen. As you know, some of these senators, you know, they've got to vote on really,

really important stuff. So who knows? That's anyway, Socrates in the city.com is the website. If you're not a member of Socrates Plus, let me warmly and heartily recommend it to you. It's $5 a month. There's all kinds of stuff that comes with it. But one of the things that comes with it is you get to live stream every one of our events. You can't, pay to live stream these events. If you say, I'm not a member of Socrates Plus, but how much do you have to pay to live stream tonight's event? You can't do it. You have to be a member of Socrates Plus. That's just the way it is. So I want to be clear about that. I almost forgot to say today in both hours, I'm talking to my friend Ken fish. This is one of the more fascinating conversations I've had with Ken Fish. We recorded this a couple

days ago. And I've had many, many fascinating conversations with Ken Fish. There's stuff in this one. I think toward the latter part, it might be an hour or two, but it's both hours. So in a couple seconds, I'll be talking to Ken Fish. But he describes some stuff. I defy you, ladies and gentlemen, to say this didn't happen. When you hear the details of this miraculous stuff, I really do. I defy you to say, oh, he's making it up. He's exaggerating. I don't know how you exaggerate what he's about to tell you in the next two hours. So it's always a joy to talk to Ken Fish, very excited that I get to do that. And you get to be the beneficiary of it. It's why I have him on here, you know, obviously not for me. I just think there are a lot of people that are not aware

of the reality of the miraculous. And people need to be aware of that. And again, you always need to be cautious because there's always going to be charlatans, but it's real. And the reason the devil counterfeits it is because he doesn't like the real thing. So he's trying to get everybody cynical

by looking at the counterfeit. Well, I don't know if you've ever seen counterfeit money, but the real thing is better. And the only reason the counterfeit money exists is because the real stuff exists. So it's not unimportant that we think about this. So in the next segment and for the rest of the two hours, I have the joyous speaking to my friend Ken Fish.

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Use promo code Eric. 800-97830573057. Promo code Eric. Hey, folks. Welcome back. It's always my joy to have my friend Ken Fish on the program, whether it's Monday, which we call Miracle Monday, or any day. week, frankly, because miracles happen every day of the week. Ken Fish, welcome back. Thank you. It's great to be back, Eric. I just saw you briefly here in New York, and we talked about all

kinds of stuff, as we always do when we're together. It's hard for me to know what we should talk about now. Why don't we talk about, first of all, I mean, in case people don't know you, why don't I let you tell my audience who you are? Because you haven't been on here as much in the last few months, and there are people listening maybe now who don't know who you are and what you do. All right. Well, so I'm currently the leader of Orbis Ministries, and we are a, I think the proper term for it is parochurch organization.

In a lot of ways, although with a very modern flair, we function like some of the orders that we know about from the middle ages. But most people don't have a lot of knowledge of those things. So the proper language for this is that churches, as we think of them, whether, you know, the one on the corner or, you know, the big cathedral or whatever, the megachurch that pick your favorite one, these are commonly known to people who are church, church experts, church growth theorists. These are known as modalities. But in the Middle Ages, there arose a whole series of what were known as sodalities. And sodalities are an organization that essentially require

a higher level of commitment, a secondary yes, if you will. So I said yes to Jesus. I joined the church, but now I'm saying yes to maybe do something beyond that. And a lot of times sodalities are translocal. location. And the Dominican order was this way. The Franciscan order was this way. The Benedictines were not so much this way because they were monastic and they lived in their abbeys. But the Dominicans and the Franciscans were quite activist. And so also, by the way, were the Jesuits, although they have a very different history. And I know for a lot of people, the Jesuits cause people to have a lot of angst and disdain because of. their involvement with the Inquisition later on.

But of course, now they're simply Marxist jerks, but please continue. Actually, I learned the word sodality reading a Flannery O'Connor story about like 40 years ago, I think. But it's kind of, you know, it's a term that some Catholics are familiar with. In any event, I didn't expect all of this from you, Ken. And when I ask you a simple question, you, my friend, have been anointed by God to pray for people's healings. Yeah.

And to do deliverance of demonic stuff, I've seen you do it. You teach on it extensively. And if people want to know more about you, they can go to Orbis Ministries. Orbis, Orbis, Spelling counts on the internet. O-R-B-I-S, Orbis Ministries. Not Orvis, Orbis, Or-B-I-S ministries. So you said to me off the air a minute ago that you're seeing. evidence of revival. You and I both have felt it's coming, that we're in a season. People have

been praying for decades and that it's coming. And both of us, I think, have reason to believe that it's here. What are you seeing? You know, I'm seeing a lot of people coming to the Lord, which, you know, you would hope that in a genuine revival, that would be going on. But, But it's not just, shall we say, new converts, one of the other signs of revival is that people who have become, whether heart of heart, disenfranchised, embittered with God, or maybe a little less, you know, hardened. Maybe they've just, their faith has grown kind of stale, kind of, you know, dusty. Maybe it's like an old bread crust and, you know, not much flavor in it.

You rather not eat it. for a lot of people, that becomes their face. So there's these different stages, right? You can be completely unsaved. You can be hardened to the church and angry with God. You might just be going through the motions, but not actually living it out. But any or all, we're seeing a lot of people coming to the Lord. I did a meeting in the Atlanta area late last year, 2024. It was in November, so relatively recent, but still in the last year. And we had a couple people in the service, and I was teaching on something you wouldn't expect it to draw non-believers. But anyway, a couple of people in the service came up and gave their lives to the Lord.

But what was more interesting was that church happened to have an accessible baptistry, and it was heated already. And we baptized them on the spot. And so I'm talking to pastors everywhere, and they're telling me, yeah, we're having a lot of people come to the Lord. A bad week would be two or three, but many weeks we see a couple of dozen come forward as new converts. I'm not even talking about those who are rededicating their lives or, you know, getting straight with God. New converts, and they're going on and getting baptized. And you haven't, I haven't been hearing stories like this en masse across the board, multiple parts of the country, in cities and in the countryside, because we tend to think of cities as gospel-heartened.

I haven't heard stories like this in a long, long time, not really since the Jesus movement approximately 40 years ago. Yeah, no, it seems that something is happening, and I think we're only at the beginning of it. What do you suppose this portends? I mean, you and I have talked about the concept of reformation, that you have something new is happening. And I think in writing my book's Letter of the American Church and religious-less Christianity in particular, you see a different way of doing church. The church is more aware,

it seems to me, of what the church really is. The church isn't that building where I go down and we do some rituals, you know, every Sunday and whatever, and we get some Bible studies that we are the church and we're meant to be 24-7 soldiers of Christ, where we're living out our faith in every sphere and we're affecting everything. That's different than just, you know, I live in a mostly secular world, go to church or I don't do this behavior because I'm a Christian, but that we would be sort of on the offense and we would take God's values into the whole world to bless people. And part of the pushback is that there people say, oh, you know, you believe in theocracy or you're, you're one of those Christian dominionists or whatever the heck that means. It's like, yeah, yeah,

I believe slavery is wrong. And I'm going to try to legislate to end the slave trade like William Wolverford Force. I believe, you know, but they try to make it sound scary because they have no argument, you know, because when Christians get serious, good things happen. But they're people that are they're against that. And I want to be real clear, folks, if you're a Christian, God is calling you to live out your faith in every sphere. That's the joy, frankly, of being a Christian, is to say that God has given me this gift and I can live it out. So that's part of it, Ken, is this concept of Reformation that the church of the future is different than the church as it has been. It has been kind of in these old wineskins in a way.

Right. Yeah. Well, and there's all kinds of reasons why, and, you know, people write dissertations on that. But I think a nice way to summarize everything you just said is that somewhere along the way, the church became an institution and it became, shall we say, a fixture in Western society. And I don't think that's entirely bad, by the way. There's a lot of people who want to slam the church these days and accuse it of everything from, I don't know, being responsible for slavery to oppression of women and other minorities and on and on it goes.

But the church, Jesus said, was to be salt and light to the world. So salt is a preservative in that context, and light, of course, chases away the darkness. And I think to a very great extent, that's exactly what the church did for a long time. And again, we could make arguments about where the shortcomings were and where things went too far. But in general, I think a society with an active church presence makes a huge difference. But the church did become an institution. along the way it began to protect its own self-interest. And some of the changes in the 20th century in the way society ran in the wake of two world wars,

people moving from the countryside to the cities, industrialization, modern astronomy, the space age. There's so many things we could point to. But anyway, the net effect really is that the world began to change. and I don't think that the church kept up with that. But the clear teaching of Scripture is that the church is not supposed to be about buildings, nor is it about building an institution per se. I think systematization and I think interconnectedness is acceptable.

But the real issue is that the church is a people. The church is a community. And we use this word a lot. talk about, say, I don't know, the sporting community or the gay community or, you know, whatever. So community is a word that's in our lexicon these days. And the church is supposed to be a people who support one another in love in their pursuit of Jesus, their quest for God and His holiness, and in their desire to reflect and bring about the righteousness and holiness of God in society.

We'll be right back talking to Ken Fish. Welcome back. We're talking to my friend Ken Fish. And Ken, the other day, Keith Junta and I on this program were talking about some of the scandals in the church, even naming some names, just trying to process all of this stuff in a way that is humble and honest, you know, because it's kind of confusing. and I was trying to say in the midst of all that, just because there are charlatans, just because there are people who get it wrong, just because there are people who stumble,

it doesn't mean that the prophetic and the healing and all of this stuff is not real, and God wants us to pursue it. And I mentioned you and Dutch Sheets and Mike Thompson as three people that, you know, I can point to that if you want, solid teaching on this stuff. Go to Ken Fish, Dutch Sheets, Mike Thompson, because we need to know that there are stalwarts out there who are sober-minded, seasoned Christian leaders, men of God. I just think that's really important. And you're really big on the teaching thing. I always, whenever you have your events, I always want to see you do the stuff. That's what John Wimber used to

say. And you obviously studied, worked with John Wimber. You know, I want to see Miracle. You know, I want to see miracles. I want to see that stuff. But of course, it's important to do the teaching so people understand, I'm not just doing stuff. This is why Jesus wants us to do it. This is what the Bible says about this stuff. This is, you know, the biblical background for this kind of stuff. But I always, I think people are nonetheless, but the reason God does miracles through people is because he understands that that pulls people toward him. That's the thing that breaks through sometimes. And so you experience miracles rather routinely. It's an amazing thing. So has anything happened in your ministry recently that we can talk about? That's interesting worth talking about? Yeah. Well, one of the one of the ones that I

would point to immediately was J.P. Morland got healed of cancer. And for those who don't know who J.P. Morland is, he's a professor, let me not stumble over my words. He's a professor of systematic theology at Talbot Theological Seminary in Los Angeles. And he's been battle or had been battling cancer for quite a while, like more than a decade. I forget the exact number of years, but well over a decade. And I'd have a few people contact me about praying with him. And so I preached at a church in Orange County, California in late September, just actually the very last Sunday of September. And JP came out and, you know, I ended up praying for him at that meeting. And a couple of days later, he had gone in for another set of scans. And multiple doctors looked at

them, including a couple who were close friends of his, not just people that, you know, he paid to be his medical care providers. And they were universal. 100% of them said there's no trace of cancer in your body, you've been healed. And they were kind of dumbfounded because they had also told him that he probably had less than a year to live only six weeks before. And so for those who would like documentation, people often want that. Just by the way, Eric, I seldom, seldom, rarely do I film people being prayed for, whether healing or deliverance or whatever. And this is part of protecting confidentiality for people. They may not want their story put out everywhere.

They may not want their face blasted everywhere. You never know, especially with the way, once they're on the internet, they're on there forever. So you never know if somebody's testimony or they're healing, you know, 10 years from now, they're applying for a job and the HR department does a search on them and finds all this stuff. And they're like, you're a weirdo.

We don't want to hire you. And so they don't get the job as an example. So I'm very, very guarded about any photo documentation. I know many people are quite cavalier with it, and I just don't agree with that philosophy, which is why I seldom show any videos unless I have legal releases. I've talked people through the potential implications, et cetera. But anyway, J.P. Morland got healed,

and he made his own YouTube video and posted it with the story of his healing. So if anyone wants to go look it up, his initials are J. I don't even know what his first name is. Theologians always use their first name. two initials, and then their last name. So I just know him as JP. But Jay like Juliet, P like Papa, and then Morland, M-O-R-E-L-A-N-D. He posted his own testimony, and you can look it up on YouTube. So there is one that, you know, you've often said, you know, we want to see some proof. Well, there it is. That's JP's. Well, look, of course, there are a lot of people, you know,

there are certain people who err on the side of gullibility. There are other people who err on the side of cynicism. It's nice when there's proof, just, you know, even if it's anecdotal in the sense that somebody says, look, I saw this and this and this, just to know that it's corroborated. Because I think there are a lot of people that want to believe this, but they're just not sure. I mean, I have not seen you pray for someone and them get healed. I've been there with you. We've prayed and prayed and prayed. So we pray because we believe God is in the business of doing this. And I know you do this so much.

You see a lot of miraculous stuff. But I think people genuinely long to know that this is real and this is true. In part, Ken, because as I said, there are a lot of people out there who are very sloppy. There are a lot of people out there who are actually doing fraudulent stuff. I mean, it scandalizes me. It's hard for me to process that somebody is capable of, of lying or or shading the truth. I think, my goodness, aren't you afraid that God's going to strike you dead and you'll go to hell

for eternity? Do you not have a fear of God that when you're speaking in his name that you need to be as honest as you can be? So there's some skepticism that people have and I think we have to be wise as serpents. But this is very exciting. When we come back, plenty more folks talking to Ken Fish. You can find him at Orbis Ministries. That's orbis.

Orbis Ministries. org. Welcome back, folks, talking to Ken Fish. That's your real name, isn't it? That is my real name. Fish. Well, as a theologian, I would be known as KD. Fish. Oh, yeah, but you're not a theologian. You're just my friend. So, Ken Fish, we're talking about a lot of stuff. I know you wanted to respond to what I was just saying. Yeah, you know, Paul the Apostle in writing to Timothy, who was a, you know, disciple of his, a trainee. Nowadays the language is spiritual son. Paul the Apostle said, but evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. And so Paul was facing exactly this kind of charlatanism as far back as the first century, the middle of the

first century. And he even talks about those who view godliness as a means of getting rich. And he says to the Thessalonians, we have renounced shameful and deceptive practices. Well, why would you need to do that? Because many around you have not. And they are engaging in shameful and deceptive practices. And so, you know, we see these various, they're not whole books of the Bible. They're just these little nuggets that are kind of dropped into the conversation. But it's quite clear that even in the first century, we saw this kind of, you know, mischief. I'm trying to to use a term we don't use much just to kind of jar people out of falling into a mental rut. So people have always engaged in bad behavior in the Lord's name.

And in fact, Paul quotes this verse in Romans, but it actually comes out of the Old Testament. And Paul says, my name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of my people. Well, in the Old Testament, the Gentiles was anyone who wasn't Jewish. but what God was saying is the reason the Gentiles haven't come in is because my people, my Jewish nation, are behaving scandalously. And of course, the Bible itself documents a lot of the misdeeds and sin of Israel. And I'm not here to bash the Jews of the Old Testament or, for that matter, modern Jews. I'm simply saying this kind of behavior is endemic. And I agree with you that the fear of God should restrain us from doing that, but sometimes it doesn't.

And it's typically, I think it's typically because people think they're going to get away with it. And then one thing leads to another and then another. And pretty soon what started this big, becomes this big, becomes this big. And suddenly we're on what's known as the slippery slope. And sooner or later, it all comes out because Jesus said, what you do in secret will be shouted from the rooftops. And so, you know, there are some of us that take that rather seriously, and we try to keep ourselves, you know, tight to the, to the instructions of the Lord. I would not make the claim that I'm perfect. I know Dutch sheets. I don't think he would make

that claim. I don't know Mike Thompson, but I'm sure he would probably make that claim, but I can't speak for him. But we are all human, and yet those of us who are, you know, preachers, teachers, leaders, we're held to a higher standard in Scripture. So I think we really do want to issue a clarion call for those who are leaders in the body of Christ to up their game. Well, look, you and I, we were together at IHOP in Kansas City a few years ago. Was that about three years ago? Yeah, 22.

And we were on the stage with Francis Chan and Mike Bickle and Chris Reed. And I was talking to my friend Keith Jinta on this program the other day. He was there for part of that. And I still don't know what to make of any of it. It's just such a baffling, you know, it's this kind of, it's enough of a mess that you don't have super clarity on what happened or what didn't happen. But there shouldn't be any scandal, folks. We're supposed to live in the light. And it is horrifying that people lose.

their faith over this kind of stuff. And so, but I don't know what to say. Chris Reed has been involved in some stuff recently that's confusing to me. The Mike Bickle thing never seems to get resolved. There are some people that, you know, think he's the devil. And it's just such a mess. And I guess the larger point is none of this should be happening. This is this is not the way Christians, forget Christians. Christian leaders are supposed to behave. There shouldn't be any scandal. The scripture is clear about an appearance of evil. It's not even saying stay away from evil. It's staying away from an appearance of evil. Don't get near anything that would bring scandal to the name of Christ. So it's always horrifying to me. And I hope it will always be horrifying to me when I see this kind of stuff. I don't know. I never know what to say. all the apostle in writing to the Corinthian church in chapter nine made a statement that I've thought about often, but I can't think of where I've actually ever heard anyone preach on it until very recently. Someone did in my hearing.

I was present in the room, just to be clear, I wasn't watching it online. A person preached on this passage. But Paul says to the Corinthians, I beat my body, and I beat my body. bring it into submission, lest after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified from the prize. And if that verse, we could parse that verse and we could argue back and forth about did Paul actually flagellate himself or beat himself and on and on. But I think the key takeaway from that verse is that Paul says, nobody, even a senior leader like Paul the apostle, nobody ever comes to the place of being able to let their guard down. And we continue to come back to the foundational

principles of devotion to Jesus, but not only devotion to Jesus, objective standards of behavior that are out of bounds. And so there may be many things that are permitted, but they're not beneficial. And I think for leaders, we want to go beyond permitted and arguably beneficial to, I only do things that are both permitted and beneficial, to me, to those around me, less, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified. And I, you know, that's a pretty high standard to hold. But Paul the Apostle wrote it. And I think it's time for us to maybe put that passage back into the national conversation, or maybe I should say the civilization wide conversation in the Western world about how should we live.

We'll be right back, folks, talking to Ken Fish. I recommend you follow Ken. His ministry is Orbis, orbis ministries.org.org.orgist, orbis ministries.org.org. I'm going to cross my time. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. Folks, welcome back talking to Ken Fish. Ken, you routinely see miracles.

I do not. And I always want to hear about them. So you're my friend. I know you don't make stuff up. Talk to me about what you've been seeing. I mean, you go all over the world, praying for people, and you see amazing stuff. Do you ever think what a privilege

it is that you get to see this stuff, that you get to do this stuff? Often. I think of the verse where Jesus says to his apostles, but they're still in training. He says, many wise men and prophets have longed to see what you see and did not. And I think there are a lot of people who would love to see these things. Of course, part of my mission in life is to have many people experience these things. And more than that, to turn many people into those who do these things. And so anyway, it may be true that many wise men and prophets have longed to see such things, but they are increasing and expanding. And I want to see many people become fully convinced that God is not a theory because of the work that we're trying to do.

Well, that's kind of the headline, God is not a theory. And I've actually said this that I, because I have experienced the miraculous, because I've had a handful of visions that have come true or words or this or that. When you experience that, there's no going back. You're like, I didn't imagine that. That was a stinking miracle. That was a miracle. And I cannot unsee what I saw.

You know, I cannot unhear what I heard. I've had innumerable experiences like that, not anything close to what you and others have experienced. but it's an important thing. And I think we should be, everybody should be zealous and say, God, reveal yourself to me. God, speak to me. God, show me, you know, it's a wonderful thing. Anyway, just two minutes left in this segment and then we'll pull you over. We've got plenty an hour too.

But any recent actual miracles that you can talk about? Yeah, you know, I was in my doctoral intensive just this week as we're talking. and somebody who was part of the faculty got delivered of a couple of evil spirits. He confessed to me, confided in me, might be a better way to say it, some struggles he'd had. I said, sounds to me like you're being harassed by some evil spirits. We prayed he got free. And that same day, one of the faculty brought a family member requesting prayer for him. and at the end of that time, and there was a dramatic power encounter and manifestation.

But at the end of that time, the family member who had been brought, he said, he just looked at me and he said, I don't even feel the same. I feel like I've been completely scrubbed inside. Now, his problem was addiction. And I said, well, let's see how you go with this. I imagine the cravings will be either gone or dramatically reduced. You still have to walk in holiness. But, you know, this should help you get on down the road in your way. walk with Jesus. So those were two events in one day in a seminary. All right. But as usual, and ladies and gentlemen, this is why I'm here as the host. Okay, I'm running interference for the jargon because Ken does this stuff so much that he uses terms like we saw power encounters

and manifestations. Most Americans don't know what the heck that is, Ken. So I'm here to translate for most Americans. We've always got a power encounter and manifestations. Those are, you know, that's inside baseball terms. So when we come back, we're going to get into what this means because it's class, this is, everybody knows is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy. I go to an event and they talk about impartation

and power encounters, but this is all these inside terms, which is effectively gobbledy gook, unless you know what it is. You're like, what, what? It's like this is the secret language, manifestations, and whatever. So it's not wrong to use that terminology,

but let's talk about what it means. so the people who don't know what it means know what it means. All right, we're going to be right back. If you want to look up Ken Fish, if you want to go where he is and see this stuff in person, go to Orbis Ministries, ORBIS, Orbis Ministries.org. We'll be right back.