The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Fish (Continued)

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Ken Fish returns with an update on healing and deliverance. https://orbisministries.org/

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We call it Hour 2 because it follows Hour 1. We're talking to Ken Fish. All right. So Ken Fish, I just love this. Like, you're in this world so much. You use these terms and you're not aware that there are people listening. They're like, what's a power encounter? What's a manifestation?

I know what those things are. But it's important. And this is why seeing it is sometimes important because, you know, But what you're describing is that, in other words, when you say, you just said, you prayed for somebody. Somebody was confiding in you. He had some struggles. And you said, let's pray. And you, it seems to me, from what you said, sensed demonic oppression.

You prayed. And you saw something happen that gave you evidence that these demonic spirits, folks, this is real. This is not metaphorical. These are actual demonic spirits that they reacted to the prayer of the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus and that they left. So what did you see or what can you describe it? Because I'm so fascinated by these descriptions. In other words, by the reality of it. What did you see?

Well, let's talk about seeing on two levels. And by the way, the reason I didn't unpack all this when I made the comment before the break. is I knew that we were up against a time block and I wouldn't be able to unpack it well. So I was just trying to be succinct. Enough. Look, you're not doing any wrong. I'm just teasing you. But I really do want my audience to know because it's joyful. It's joyful to actually, you know, get the goods here. Like what happened, you know, what happened. Right. So there's two ways of seeing. One way would be just what we call an understanding. I'm looking at a fact pattern or a set of data. data points. And I'm thinking, all right, I've seen situations like this over many years. And typically when I see this kind of a data set fact pattern, these things are happening in my life.

And I have this occurring. I get a dream or I have a thought come to my mind that I can't get rid of or I feel a craving or an appetite that it's like it's overpowering. I want to say no to it. I am saying no to it, but it doesn't go away. And it's like drives me. that all of those things I just described would be what I'm referring to as data points. And so I look at that and I think, well, that sounds like it's probably a spirit or an evil spirit, a demon. And it's harassing you. It's afflicting you. And so let's pray to get rid of it. So wait a minute. So part of this, this is what's fascinating, at least to me, is that part of what makes you effective is you've done this so much and you're very smart and you're a diagnostician that I might encounter the situation and I might not understand what I'm looking at.

But you've seen this a hundred times. You recognize the pattern because you have been doing it. It's like a doctor. You know, it's like, well, you're blotchy and there's this and this and this. It could be this. Right. You have that body of information, those data points that you've taken in over decades. And so that's part of what's going on and why you're effective in praying because you've had that experiences. So keep going. Yeah. So that's that's the first level of, you know, understanding. But the other we're seeing, and that doesn't necessarily involve this, my eyes. It's, it's more of a, you know, kind of an internal comprehension, I guess. But wait, there's actually three ways of seeing. Okay. Because you've just described one. The second is seeing with your eyes. And it was if you see

somebody convults or spit up or whatever, that's another way of seeing. But then the third way of seeing, which you have that gift, is seeing in the spirit. There are times when in the spirit you can see something, which most people would not see unless they're gifted in that way. Yeah. So as an example of what you just said, seeing in the spirit, there are times when And well, let me back up a little bit of background. If you read the Bible carefully, it speaks of a spiritual realm.

And people nowadays in shorthand, they say spirit realm, but it's the spiritual realm. And so just as we know that there's a physical realm here on the earth, you can see that I'm in a room. And although my screen is blurred behind me, and you can see that there are some things on the wall and whatnot. those are physical. That's the landscape of this room, if you will. Well, there is a similar dynamic in spiritual matters. And Paul says that we fix our eyes not on the scene, but on the unseen. And there are multiple places where there is reference in the Bible to this unseen realm. And so when the Lord chooses to do it, he can open our eyes, if you want to say it this way, some people do, he lifts the veil, we are able to see what is going on in the spiritual world.

That doesn't happen all the time. Some people have it more than others. Some people get it in black and white. Some people get it in color. Some people see moving pictures. Some people see it still frame. Some people might see it kind of blurry like you see my background right now. And other people might see it as clear as you're seeing my face. So there's all these different. ways that that can happen. But anyway, you recognize it that you're seeing something that isn't the physical material world. It's something beyond it. So when I was praying for this other professor's family member, as I was talking with the family member, I said, do you have a problem with your liver? And he said, no. And I'm looking at where his liver would be in his kind of lower right abdomen. And I'm going, well, there's something there. But he was. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

why did you ask about his liver? Did the Lord give you an inkling? I could see something on his liver. So wait, so with your eyes, yes. You could see in the spirit realm something around his liver. Correct. Okay.

So that's seeing in the spiritual realm. Yep, yep. But I'm seeing it with my natural eyes or I'm perceiving it through my natural eyes. Right, right. I don't actually know what the exact message. mechanism is. I was just going to say how challenging it is to just to describe what you just said, because you're seeing it with your eyes, but no, you're not seeing it with your eyes because it's not, you know, you can't, you're, you're, it's really like you're seeing it with your mind. It's hard to, it's hard to process. It's like when you see something, if you close your eyes and you see something, you know, you're seeing it, but it's, it's not, is, is light involved? Is your retina involved? Maybe. Maybe. not. Who knows? This is very mysterious. But anyway, you're there. You see something on his, his liver in the spirit, and you comment on it. Right. So we prayed for him twice. And each of

these prayer engagements, it's more than just, oh, Lord, I pray that you would help this poor soul and bless him in Jesus' name. It's more than that. And so the first time I prayed with him, it was about 10 minutes of praying. And I was asking the Holy spirit to come on him and to break the addiction, but also to heal him of some of the memories, the hurt, today the word that everyone's using is trauma. I'm not a big fan of the word trauma, because to me, trauma is a very specific kind of situation. I think it's far, far, far overutilized. But anyway, people use the term, so I'll just throw it out there to help them orient to what I'm talking about. So we prayed through some of that. We asked Jesus to touch those specific

memories he had, and he began crying. And he was a 39, is a 39-year-old man. Well, 39-year-old men commonly don't cry, but he was crying, and fairly heavily, so much so that his family member, the faculty member, who had brought him to me, he ran out and got some paper towels and Kleenex and brought him back, and he's kind of wiping his eyes and blowing his nose, and then crying some more. And so we went through some of the, you know, the paper goods that had been brought. So anyway, then I asked him how he's feeling. He goes, man, I've never felt anything like that. That was amazing. And while he was crying, by the way, he was vibrating slightly. I've seen heavier vibration, but he was vibrating. And his whole body, and I'm trying

to mimic it a little bit here on the screen. His whole body was vibrating. So that's what we call a manifestation. You can see something happening. And we even use the word manifest. What does it mean? To reveal something which was otherwise not known. So he's manifesting under the power of the Holy Spirit. that there is a power encounter going on. And when I say power encounter, I mean a direct clash between the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, the third member of the Trinity,

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All right, Ken, so you're talking about what you saw. And again, this is the kind of thing. I've had some experience with this. I remember literally 30 plus years ago. I was at a thing with my brother. He wasn't in any particular place with God, kind of open to it, whatever. And we had a thing where, you know, it was like a weekly horse thing in New Haven. And I think week five, we decided we're going to,

pray for the that people receive the holy spirit and so i stood behind my brother and i lay my hands on him and just start praying in tongues and praying and praying and praying and my brother who's never ever experienced anything like this or whatever starts to to vibrate and to weep and to it the whole you know you just think he can't make this up folks what is going on here what is this um it was miraculous and i i don't want to say more than that right right now, but when you see this stuff, you just go, look, what was that? That was clearly real. It was real. And I've had a bunch of experiences through my life, not many, but there's no way to pretend like it was just, you know, so when people pretend like they can just sluff it off,

like, well, who knows what's the way. Look, folks, you know, Occam's razor. You need some Baroque explanation because you're uncomfortable with this. It looks like God did something. Like that's what it looks like. Very, very dramatically and strongly, that's what it looks like. But there are people that are just, they're so uncomfortable with it. They're like, well, you know, they have to believe it's a lie or something. But when you know the people involved and you know the details much harder to just slap it away as some kind of a lie or fraud or whatever.

And so you experience this all the time. And what you're describing right now, you know, a 39-year-old. man beginning to weep and blow his nose and stuff's happening. And then he says, I've never felt anything like that. And he's vibrating. I mean, I just, this is faith building for us. And so I desire this kind of stuff because it's just powerful when you see God manifest his power.

And that's why you call it a power encounter because, you know, you've got these dark forces and then God comes in and stuff happens. So, yeah. That's right. I'm still laughing at Occam's razor because probably you and I, and I'll bet not more than 20 people who ever listen to this podcast know what Occam's Razor is.

Oh, no, no, no, no. I have a very, very educated and intelligent audience and I shouldn't say Occam's Razor so cavalierly, but it's just, you know, it's just this idea that what's the simplest explanation?

People often get into this company. What's the simplest explanation? That's the simplest explanation. And people act like, well, I don't know and they kind of give you the day. I mean, I remember describing, I wrote about it, it's on my website.

Something, if anybody wants to look it up, if you go to Eric Metaxus.com, under my writings, if you look up the Christmas cross, it's a miracle that I encountered, and I finally wrote it up. It's at my website, ericmetaxis.com.

It is one of the most bizarre, miraculous things I have ever experienced just mind-blowing miracle. And I shared it with someone immediately after it happened. And like I thought this was so amazing. I'm going to just share it with this person that I've just met. I don't know where they are in the faith.

But I said, I've got to share this. And the person said, hmm, the mind does funny things sometimes. And I thought, you have got to be joking. Like, you're way too smart to say something that stupid after what I have just related. What I have just related is a stunning miracle. It stunned me. It is detailed. Again, people can look it up on my website,

Ericmataksis.com, under writings. It's called the Christmas Cross. It's something that happened when I was in Mobile, Alabama. It's got to be 15 years ago. But it was a miracle, an insane miracle. And I was just amazed at how this person just batted it away. Like, yeah, the brain does weird stuff. It's like, no, no, no.

I don't think you were listening. If you're listening to what I just said, you couldn't say that. But, you know, it's why I want to talk about this stuff because I know there are people out there that are hungry for this and it's valuable and it's important stuff. So you do you want to talk more about the two things that you just said or do you want to talk about El Salvador? So what I was going to say is that with this 39-year-old man who, again, a family member, not immediate family, but like next layer out, but a family member of one of the faculty members here at the seminary. Once that had happened, I asked him, okay, how do you feel what was going on? And while I'm listening to him, answer me with his voice, I'm also listening, Father,

do you have anything you want to say to me? And I had a sense that we should pray for him again, and this time that we needed to dedicate his body parts to the Lord. Now, you may have never prayed this way before, but in Romans, chapter 12, verses 1 and 2, Paul says, I urge you, therefore, brothers and sisters, that you dedicate or commit your bodies unto the Lord as a holy and living sacrifice, and that this is acceptable worship to God. So, you know, Lord, here's my body. And not, you know, I view this is more than just, Lord, here, take my body. It's, Lord, my fingers, my hands, you know, my wrists, my forearms, like that.

So anyway, I started praying through his body. And as I did that, what do you know when I got to his liver? He started manifesting demonically. Now, the first round was just the Holy Spirit coming on him and him being sensitive to God. That's the we know. The evil spirit that I had seen on the liver when I had looked at him and asked him about his liver, it began to manifest with hissing and coughing and hacking. And he was leaning forward in the chair.

and like that. Thank you very much. Yeah, well, again, I'm trying to be clear because you asked me to articulate for your audience. You don't, I didn't say expectorate. I said articulate. I didn't know. I didn't know.

I'm kidding. But what you just did, I mean, this is what's so interesting because when we say, when people talking in this deliverance about, you know, exorcism, about demons, when we say to manifest, it simply means that whatever that ugly thing is, you begin to see it reveal itself. And it's in coughing and writhing and whatever the heck it is. You see something happening. That's right. So you said, now I always want to get these details. You said you saw something on this man's liver.

Now, can you describe, do you just see something vague or do you see something specific or can you say? I don't know. It could be vague. It can be specific. On the vague end, it might look. No, no, today. I mean, not today, but in this instance, can you describe what you saw? What I saw on the room was, I would say, on a 1 to 10 scale, probably maybe a 1 or a 2, so relatively vague. But it was clear enough to me,

and I've seen this sort of thing enough in my life, that I knew what I was looking at, even if it wasn't particularly profound. And by the way, let me just say this, since we're here, I think for a lot of people, part of their not hearing God or being able to do this is, you know, we often lose subtlety because of the noise in our world. And so we don't pick up subtle cues or what in the Bible, we might call them the whispers of God. You know, when Elijah went to Horib, the mountain of God, he's in a cave. and you know there's an earthquake and there's fire and there's wind and it says god wasn't in any of that

and then the voice of the lord came as a thin whisper or a thin silence depends on the way people translate that text i'm referencing here first kings chapter 17 um and so then elijah puts his cloak over his head and he steps forward in the entrance of the cave and the word of the lord comes to him and says but again in a thin whisper and it's it it might have even been internal to him, not something that's impinging on his eardrums. And people, I think, often want it to be, what are you doing here, Elijah? Or like Bill Cosby. Come out with your hands up.

Or Noah, this is God, right? Remember that skit? So I think a lot of times people want that, but that's not always the way God speaks. In fact, I might say more often than not, he doesn't speak that way. Yeah. And so people miss these things. So when I looked at this guy's liver, I saw something visually. It was colorless, but I could see it, you know, on the liver. And I've prayed for enough people.

I kind of know where all the organs of the body are positionally. Yeah, I was going to say, how do you know where the liver is? I know where people's livers are. I do know where's the liver and where's the kidney? I always get them mixed up. Exactly. So I'm looking at that and I'm like, okay, there's something there. And I was certain of it, but I asked it as a question because I think sometimes people who do what I do, they want to become very declarative.

You know, the Lord shows by vision that thou yea verily dost have a dark spirit upon thine liver. I am going to cast it out now in the name of Jesus. I don't like that. So I try to be more subtle. And so I ask questions, and that's my way. Anyway, so I knew there had to be something there. And so when we got to the liver, as we're dedicating through the body, we'd started with the hands, we'd gone up the arms, we dealt with the shoulders, the head, the spine, coming down through the lungs and heart. When we got to the liver, I put my hand on his stomach.

I wouldn't do that with a woman, by the way, but he was a man and I'm a man, and there was another person there, so it was clear that I wasn't trying to do anything inappropriate. And as soon as I blessed the liver, that was when this demonic man started. Okay. Going to a break. We'll be right back. Welcome back talking to Ken Fish. So Ken, you're just describing this. And I love walking through this so people can understand what this is.

Because this is sometimes so vague. And as you and I know, many times in ministry, there's enough hocus, pocus the way people present it. You know, there's smoke machines and whatever. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, this is either. the real or it's not. It's either garbage or it's true. We don't need to kind of, you know, help God that much. It's just there's a reality here or there's not. And if there's not, let's skip it. But if there is, we can just be as real about this as we would about anything, you know.

And so I think that's important. I think probably can, you know, I should talk more on this program, whether I'm talking to you or Keith Jinta or whomever, just about our experience. experiences because it helps people process this stuff as normative. This is normal. I can hear by the way you're talking about it that, you know, it's not some loony religious thing, which would make normal people want to run as it should. But this is real. We're talking about reality and people want healing and help. And that's beautiful. And I think there are a lot of people that they wouldn't get near this stuff because they think that's just we. weird. And I think, you know, a lot of people thought a lot of stuff was weird. But if it works, if it's true, you know, so be open-minded about it. And if it's God, it's God. You have nothing to fear. But should we talk about El Salvador? Yeah. So earlier this month, I was in El Salvador. I went with a fairly large team. And we held two series of pastors meetings in two different cities. We also made a side trip to Guatemala, and then we sent teams out. I led some of them,

but I couldn't be in all the churches. And we visited over a dozen churches around the nation of El Salvador. And the Lord moved very, very powerfully. We had quite a few deaf people healed. I'm still waiting on the final tally, but I think the number is nine. I could, might be wrong. You know, when you say that kind of stuff, I want to go, whoa, whoa, whoa. What did you say? You had quite a few deaf people healed. Now, I know you. I've known you for years. You don't make stuff up.

You don't even exaggerate. But when you say we had quite a few deaf people healed, that's a big deal. That's a big deal. So let me just say, wow. Yeah. That's a huge thing, Ken, deaf people. And there was one church where I went to preach. And it was really interesting.

My son-in-law was with me at that time. church. And so there was a man who was part of the worship band. And he walked with two crutches, and he walked with great difficulty. But he was part of the worship band. And so at one point, he approached the stage to go sit down and take his place to be in the worship band. And I leaned over and I said to my son-in-law, there's our next customer. And I was being joking. I do this because there's so much kind of weird religiosity that you were just speaking about that comes with this type of ministry. I'm always trying to take a pin and poke the balloon because I want to get rid of all that religiosity. So one of the ways I do that is there's our next customer. Right, right. So anyway,

when it was a time for ministry, so we'd had worship, I'd preached, we started to work with people, and we'd already had one altar call for a particular kind of touch from the Lord. but he was still there. So my son-in-law and I approached him with a couple of other team members. And the reason this guy was walking with these two canes, crutches, was, and I know the difference between a cane and a crutch, but it was kind of like a reinforced cane that had like a caliper here. So I don't know, was it all the way to a crutch that goes under your arm or not?

And the only reason is elaborating on all that is because I'm trying to be that credible of a witness. Right, right, right. Okay, so anyway, we approach him, and he was Colombian, not El Salvadoran, and he had fallen off a water slide and had broken his left femur above the knee. Oh. And it had been over a year, and he couldn't walk properly. His wife was there as well, and so we started to pray for him. Now, I want to be clear, this was not a 30-second or even a five-second prayer. We prayed for him multiple rounds over approximately 45 minutes. And I say approximately because I didn't say, okay, go, start the timer on my watch. And then when we're done, stop.

But it was kind of in that range of roughly 45 minutes. And we prayed for him. And he had level, he said nine, and sometimes it would spike to 11 or 12 on a 10 scale of pain in his leg and back because of this fall. he had taken off of a water slide. This makes me never, ever, ever, ever, ever want to go on a water slide, just parenthetically. I mean, this is so horrifying. Right. But how often does it, you know, do you fall off of one?

And who knows, maybe something went wrong with a slide. How old was this? How old was this man? I would have put him about 45. Okay. So keep going. So anyway, we prayed multiple rounds. And pretty soon, he's breathing deeply.

and he's crying gently and he says glory adios he says no Tengo dolor all the pain had left now this is a guy who is constantly

for a year or more at a level nine that would spike above 10 in pain and all the pain was gone and his wife is crying he's crying and I looked at his legs

and I said you know, are you able to walk? And he said, I don't know. He said, but this is enough. And I said, well, I want to see if you can walk. So when I'm dealing with people who have been crippled or nearly crippled, I always put one person on each side and then I'll usually walk in front of them. And I'll usually have to walk behind.

Hang on. This is a cliffhanger, folks. We'll be right back. Welcome back talking to Ken Fish. All right. So Ken, Ken, you've just been praying. for this man. He said he's in his 40s.

He's from Columbia, but this was in El Salvador. And you said he starts to weep. The pain that he's been living with for a year. Horrible pain is going away. So he's weeping. His wife's weeping. And then you ask him, would you like to try to walk?

Because obviously he's been in such pain and he's got these crutches or braces or whatever it is. So you put somebody on either side of him. And this is just the way I do it. because what I'm always trying to do is help people feel safe and protected. And so I put a strong man on either side of him. And I tell people, don't be afraid of falling. If you should start to fall, we will catch you.

You will not hit the ground. What I want you to try and do is focus on whatever we're trying to get you out of and walking or stretching or whatever the thing is that they need to do. But we are protecting you. And so we started walking back and forth in front of the church and up the aisle. And, you know, initially they had a good firm grasp on his arms, but he was, he was becoming more and more flexible. And instead of having a very awkward, stilted kind of, you know, kind of type thing, he's starting to walk and look like a normal person would walk. So in normal language, his g-a-I-t-t, not G-A-T-E, his g-a-t-t-t-e, his gate,

was becoming like a normal person's gate. And some of our team were shooting videos of it. We have video of this, although we haven't publicized it. People just wanted to, you know, see it and have a memory of it. And so he's now walking pretty normally. But as I'm looking at him, I'm thinking, there's something wrong with that leg still. I don't know what that is.

So I had him sit down. And I said, I want to give you a rest. But I said, is one of your legs shorter than the other? And he says, yes, that's, part of the break and when they when they fixed it they put a titanium rod in my leg and i said okay i said would you like to get rid of that titanium rod and would you like to have your leg be the proper length and he goes well sure he says can that happen i said yeah i think god's here he's going to do that for you right now now when you say that what's that is that because you had a sense that

God was saying that. Yes, and because God was already touching him and healing him. And I always think God's a 100% God. He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion. So I don't think God likes to short sell people, right? So I just had a lot of confidence. And some call that the gift of faith, the spiritual gift, Paul. Okay, in any event, so you say this to him and he's like, let's go for it.

And again, this is all crazy stuff, folks, you know. This is amazing. So keep going. All right. So now, I am aware that lots of people play games with what is known as leg growing. But to help circumvent that, I'm always very careful to make sure they are tight and square to the back of the chair with their hips and lower back. So we got him perfectly square. And then, you know, we made sure that he was braced. So, you know, if he moved, we would see him move. But what was interesting was that when we, held out his feet, the broken leg was a bit shorter than the other one by maybe so much. So, you know, whatever you want to call that, roughly a quarter of an inch. It was visible. And in addition to that, his right leg was straight, and I'm using my fingers to model this,

but his left leg had a bit of a bend in it so that now I'm going to turn it. What's the best way to show it? Let me just say, this is a radio program, so many people are not watching. this so it doesn't matter. Go ahead. We'll take your word for it. If they want to go look it up on YouTube. So you can see that I'm showing this leg as straight and this leg has a bend in it. And I said,

what's that bend? And he said, oh, well, I was born that way and I've always had a bend in that leg. And I said, okay, well, I think Jesus is going to fix that too. So we've got a short leg due to the break, a titanium rod in the leg,

and we have this bend that has been there since birth. three things in the leg. And I said to my son-in-law, watch this. So I said, make sure you're watching. And there were about five people standing around. I said, all of you watch. And I said, leg, grow and be straight. And that fast, the leg came out and the bend in the leg became perfectly straight. And my son-in-law looked at me like this. He said, I just saw that happen. That really happened. Oh my gosh, that was totally real. And I was holding his feet. Now, that's not what somebody says if they're making it up. Also, Ken, and this is, you know, hard for people to get sometimes,

is that you, you know, because I know you, some people might kind of put this stuff on. You're, you have a sense from God when you're saying this. See, you're not a showman. You are the last person I would describe as a showman. You're just doing this in obedience to God. You're. You're just doing this, in obedience to God, but you have a sense from God that this is the kind of prayer, and you're not, you're not trying to gin up faith. You're, this is real. You're somehow, but anyway, as you're saying, it really happened. You saw it.

Your son-in-law saw it. Yeah, and so did all the other people that were standing around. And his wife, who is watching this, goes like that, because, you know, she was shot. She knew what her husband's body looked like. I still don't understand the piece about the titanium rod. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. So I've learned that when the Lord breaks up metal in people's bodies and gets rid of it because they no longer need it, there is normally a smell.

And it's hard to describe it. It's not sulfurous. But it's not pleasant either. But there's a smell that comes into the air. And I usually smell it, but I wasn't smelling it. And I went, I said, I wonder if anything happened with the titanium. but several people are like, what is that smell? Oh, my gosh. You see, this is, again, this is why it's fun to talk to you because the specificity of this.

I mean, how many people have titanium in their bodies, not many? How many people get prayed for where the titanium is miraculously removed? Not many. You've been around this stuff so much that it's happened enough that you say there is a smell. Again, there's an insane specificity to that. And of course, most people say, well, wait a minute. Why does there need to be a smell? I don't get that at all. There's a lot of stuff we don't get.

But you're just telling me when you've seen this particular miracle happen, there's a smell. And it's not specific to you. People around smell it. So this is not a smell in your mind. This is like a smell that people's noses detect. That's it. Exactly correct. Just the way you said it.

So anyway, I look. looked at the man and I said, do you feel any difference in your leg? Because I think that titanium must be gone. And commonly when people have any kind of a metal implant in their body, say they break a wrist and they put plates in the wrist or in his case, it's a rod in the leg, commonly there's something that just below the surface they can feel. And it's part of what the doctors have to do. Okay, going to another break. Don't go away. Talking to Ken Fish. All right, Ken, you're describing something frankly almost unbelievable. So keep going and then I have some questions.

So commonly when doctors put metal in people's bodies, it might be stainless steel, not titanium, but whatever, you know, something artificial like this, metal, below the skin, if you kind of rub your fingers over it, you'll feel bumps that might be screws or, you know, other points of attachment or whatever. So I said, how does your leg feel? he said, it feels different. And I said, how would you know if that titanium left?

And he said, well, there's a thing back behind my knee where there's bumps there from where they attached, you know, as the rod went through. And I said, oh, and he takes his left hand, puts it behind his left knee. And he goes, wait, there's nothing there. And so he stands up and he says, try it yourself. and I'm feeling, I can't feel anything, but I don't know his body the way he knows his body. So I'm more interested in what he's reporting than what I'm reporting. I tell his wife to come over.

She feels his like, she says, I think it's not there. And then he starts jumping up and down. This is a guy who had been using two sticks. He's jumping up and down. And we have video of him doing this. This is like, what, two, three weeks ago? It was about two weeks ago. And this guy is crying.

His wife is crying. You know, he's hallelujah and glory a Dios, the whole thing. And then he says, well, if God did all that, he said, when I fell, I damaged my voice box. And he said, I used to sing in the worship band and I can't really sing anymore. He said, when I try, it's just kind of, you know, I ask me like this. And I said, well, I think we should pray for your voice too. So we lay hands on his throat and we pray. Now, this one was pretty quick because there's so much faith in the room.

I think it was really spiking what was going on. I don't think we prayed for him 30 seconds, and he starts singing. And I said, sing keys. So he's, oh, oh, kind of thing. And wait a minute. I'm waiting for you to say he coughed up the titanium rod. Did that happen?

No, he didn't do that. Come on. I'm joking, but like this is nuts. Keep going. But anyway, I said, I want you to try and hit the highest note that you are capable of hitting. And he had had some musical training. I don't think he'd be, you know, trained professional musician, but he'd had some training along the way.

And so I said, I want you to try and hit the highest note you can hit. So he does it, and then he pushes it and he goes, I can go two notes higher than what I formerly could do. Ken, we're almost at a time here. This is unbelievable. I just, you know, I think most people kind of wondering, it's kind of a basic question, what the heck happens to a titanium rod? How does something like that disappear? I mean, that's so bizarre. It's all bizarre, but there's certain things that are even more bizarre. You know, like, what do you mean the titanium rod disappeared?

I could understand a lot of people being challenged by that saying it sounds like baloney. I don't get that. I would understand that also. I will say this at different times when I've prayed for people, I've seen, like if they have tumors under their skin, I've seen those tumors vanish or dematerialized. I've seen people with goiters where they simply, they just vanished in a moment. For some reason, for no logical reason. that's more plausible to me than a foreign object like titanium disappearing.

That's fine. Yeah. I get it. I'm not going to... When we get to heaven, we're going to see there's a room, a pile of titanium rods and stuff. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? Well, we're basically at a time.

Ken, it's always fun and more than fun to talk to you. I encourage people to go to Orbis Ministries. or B-I-S ministries.org, or bis ministries.org. I know that you travel all around the country all around the world and that people, if they can, want to come and just see you do your thing because God really does this stuff. Why he chose you, I don't know. Neither do I care.

It just makes me happy that I've gotten to know you. So Ken, my friend, thank you very much. Thanks for having me back, Eric. It's always fun to be with you. I don't care what they make