The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Fish (Encore)

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

 Ken Fish of Kingdom Fire Ministries, talks about the miraculous.

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I wopanella. Here comes Eric Metaxis. Folks, welcome the program. All I know is it's Thursday. They tell me. And I'm in the Mediterranean. So I cannot interview somebody today for the program. But you know what I can do?

I can do something actually better than that. So today we're playing one of my many, many conversations with my dear friend Ken fish. It's a miraculous thing. We could really do Miracle Monday, but it's Thursday at whatever. It'll be Monday eventually. So my conversation with Ken Fish, let me remind you, by the way, in a few weeks, Ken Fish will be in New York City. I'm going to be preaching at King's Church on June 22nd in New York City.

Meanwhile, here is one of my many conversations with our dear friend Ken Fish. All right. So we're going to talk about some real healings now, not fake healings. You have experienced so much that when I talk to you, sometimes I laugh because you're in the healing ministry. You've seen all this stuff. And I always want to stop you and say, what? What? What did you say?

Give me the details. But you're moving so fast and you're praying for people and you move on. You get in a plane. You do all this different stuff. So I just want to talk to you today about some of the things you've seen recently because we were together. What was it, December? I can't remember when we did the show last or November. Yeah, I was December.

But what have you been witnessing? recently. And by the way, since I didn't introduce you properly, your name is Ken Fish. And the website is kingdomfire ministries.org. But you've been on the program so much that I assume people listening sort of know who you are. But yeah, what's going on? Well, one of the things that, you know, we haven't talked a lot about when we've been together in the past is mental health. We've talked a lot about physical healings and demons and angels, but mental health has not been one that we've discussed very much. Principally, because I have never heard of anybody being healed of mental illness.

In other words, you hear about people being healed of cancer. You hear about people having their legs healed and they can walk again. You hear about tumors disappearing. You hear about all that kind of stuff over and over and over. At least I do. Yeah. But when somebody says that we prayed for healing of mental illness, you're the only person I've ever heard mentioned that.

Well, years ago I was reading the writings of a man named John Lake, and Lake writes in his material about how he had gone to the Lord and entreated him, which we don't even use that language these days, but he entreated the Lord and begged him to give him dominion over mental illness. You mean, to translate this to English, you mean he prayed. He prayed earnestly. And he asked God to help him heal mental illness. Now, had he healed physical illness before? Yeah, he had quite a prolific healing ministry physically at that point. Okay. So he began asking for this, and presently it began to happen in its ministry. And I remember Lake was somebody who really inspired me.

And as I read that material, I thought, God, I want you to let me see people with mental illness get healed also. And it's a funny thing when you start dealing in that specific domain because you start getting hate mail. because people say, well, how dare you imply that those people are less than anyone else? Which I'm not implying that. I'm just saying God intended that they not have those challenges and limitations. Well, I suppose it depends what it is that we're talking about. You're always going to get letters from people. People are crazy.

People are misguided. And you have to be careful what you even listen to or read. But I guess the question so we can focus here is when you say mental illness, there's an infinite variety of mental illness. I've talked about struggling with depression. I have had friends with dementia. You know, there's a vast range. There's schizophrenia, which is very serious. You've even talked about praying with people with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and things like that. And I think, whoa, this is, you know, where are we going with this? Well, at the moment, I'm not thinking so much about Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, although we have seen people healed of that.

But I'm thinking about things like schizophrenia, psychosis, bipolar, things like that. Yeah. And we do see a reasonable amount of that get healed. It's not every single person, but it's a lot of them. And in fact, the other night, I was in Ohio, and I walked into the church, and this woman came up to me and said, I heard you on the Eric Mataxis show, and we've driven here from more than two hours away, and we brought our son, who's a schizophrenic, and we'd like you to pray with him. Well, it was before the service. I said, I can't do that just now, but, you know, after I preach

and we start the ministry time, yeah, we'll do that. And I spent some time with him, but at the end of that evening, the young man who was 20 years old, he was reporting to me, in his own words, from his own mouth, he said, The voices in my head are still. There is nothing talking to me inside my head. Okay, but just to be clear, to backtrack, when we're talking about schizophrenia, because it's sort of a complicated issue, in some cases, and in his case, he was hearing voices in his head. Yes. And this was constant?

Yes. Virtually constant. I think there might have been moments of quiet, but nothing long. Now, if you don't mind my asking, when people say they're hearing voices in their head, I don't really know what that means. whose voices and what are they saying? Is this another part of your personality that's speaking to you? I know that doctors might say that. Yeah.

But what do you say? Are these demonic voices sometimes? What is going, what do you say is happening in these cases? Not all cases, but in some cases. Sometimes it could be demonic. Other times it could be dissociated parts of the personality. So then you can see it could be a person's own voice being internalized. Yeah.

So anyway, this young man, he'd been having voices all evening as they drove to this church where we were holding the service. And as I said, at the end of the prayer time, he said, the voices are quiet. I don't have any voices going on. And I continued to dialogue with him for about 30 minutes and he didn't have any voices. But equally as impressive, he had a whole realm of information in his brain which he had been unable to access. He had learned that information. He knew that he knew the information, but it was like the door had been closed and locked, and he just couldn't get in there. And this is information from years before, or more recently?

Both. Some of it was newer. Some was older. But as we were talking, I said, well, can you access your information? And he said, yes. And he started reciting things. And he said, I couldn't do this earlier this evening. And he, you know, continued to do that.

Well, I mean, I guess the question is, you know, because we don't know about these things and we don't know this person, were there? periods in the last year when the voices had stopped. In other words, what is to say? No, no. As I said, there might have been five minutes at a time here or there, but essentially it was a continuous feed of voices in his head. And in his case, he told me they weren't his voice. It was kind of a harsh hissing sort of, you know, you are terrible.

You should just end it. It'll be better for you. That kind of a thing. Don't do that again. You're freaking me out, man. And then... So this sounds like those were... It sounds to me like those are demonic voices. Yeah, potentially so.

But what I really want to say is the voices went quiet and also the data that he had lost was accessible. Now, I am not a psychiatrist. I am not a psychologist. I am not a psychotherapist. But I know enough to know that when someone is self-reporting in that way, something is happening and that's the kind of outcome we want to see. I told his parents who brought him, I said, you know, take him home and have his clinician diagnose him and talk with him further and see if they need to adjust his medication or whatever.

So I'm not ready to report him as fully healed, but I am ready to say something meaningful happened by his own testimony. And you said that his parents corroborated that in their reaction? Oh, well, his mother was standing there in tears and just sobbing because she's the one that approached me before the service and said, you know, we brought our son and could you please pray for our son? We, you know, we heard that maybe God will do something. Yeah. And as she watched this happen, she said, I can't believe that this, I mean, he's not hearing voices. And how can this is, you know, she really didn't even have language for it.

Well, I think it's important to say that because that it helps people like me understand that even if you don't know what happened, something happened, right? Right. That if the mother herself, whose his principal caregiver is in tears, obviously something happens. So the question is, will it last? Will it get better? But that's amazing. You know, for somebody even to talk about praying for the healing of schizophrenia, I've never heard that until I met you because there's so many people dealing with this.

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Whenever you're on, I would say it's Miracle Monday. And your website is kingdomfire ministries.org. You just said to me something I don't want to forget. You said that shortly there's going to be a conference. You are going to be presiding over a conference for the healing of of mental illness in Los Angeles. Yes, that's right. The conference will be in Los Angeles.

Do you know where? It'll be at a church called Jesus Center. Jesus Center. That's pretty focused. Yeah. Jesus Center, and it's going to be, do you know the date? February 15 and 16, so we're about two weeks away. Okay.

Well, we won't be two weeks away when this airs because we'll probably have to hold this. But you, so anybody can come to this? It's open to anyone who wants to come. Okay, so if they go to kingdomfire ministries.org, they can sign up in the L.A. area, February 15th and 16th. This makes me happy because I, you know, we've talked about this. What you do is very important to me, and I want more and more people to have access to it. Because there's so many people with problems, with relatives of problems, with friends with problems, and they don't know where to go.

And, you, you know, you tell me some remarkable stories of people who can't find hope. And then somehow, and this is not to say that everyone you pray for is, is healed or that everyone you pray for is pulled back from the brink of death. I mean, we have to be clear about that here, that you're not a... This isn't magic. You're not a magus. You're just a human being that God uses to heal people. Okay, so what other stuff have we seen?

Do you want to keep talking about... Well, this story is about four years old, but I was overseas, and they brought a woman and asked me to pray for her, and she had psychosis. and she had been that way for about 25 years. Okay, what is psychosis? In her case, she was having both visual and auditory hallucinations. And this is someplace in Asia? No, this was in Australia.

No, I say it's Asia. It was Australia. Okay, so you're in Australia? Okay, what happens? So they bring the woman to me and they ask me, you know, will you pray for her? And it's kind of a long story, so I'll just abbreviate it and say that in her specific case, God gave me a word of knowledge about something in her family's past, and it involved actually an abortion that her mother had had. Okay, and we have to be clear for people to understand God gave you a word of knowledge.

That's a fancy term for a God spoke to you. Gave me some insight into about this woman while you're ministering to her. And this helps. It's like a key that unlocks a door. A door. Okay. So you hear from God that there's an abortion. in her family. That's right. And it had been her mother had aborted the first child she had conceived.

And this woman was child number two. And so as in the aftermath of that, there'd been another child born. And so the mother who'd aborted the child and both of these daughters had knowledge of this event, but no one else in the family did. It was, it happened in a period when abortion was not legal in Australia. So they just kind of covered it up, kept it quiet. But this had happened, and they were all in one way or another, I'd say complicit, because they all knew about it and were keeping it quiet. Okay, complicit. In other words, the mother, the woman you're praying for, and her sister. Yes, and the other daughter. That's correct. So anyway, the Lord addressed this issue in the family line, and then the Lord healed this woman of her psychosis.

And the two were linked, but I want to be careful how I even say that, because I don't want our listeners or viewers to think that I'm saying psychotic people are all somehow involved with abortion. That would be a gross, gross misstatement. But anyway, we got through all of that, and then this woman went into, in this case, a very loud and long-pronounced demonic manifestation, and this spirit of psychosis left her. And she, when it took about 90 seconds of screaming and yelling as it came out. It was a very long, wailing, kind of thing.

And then she was lying on the floor, sobbing, and she had been foaming at the mouth as this was going on, as described in the Bible, was some demoniacs. some demoniacs. And when she got up off the floor, she looked me in the eye, and she said, it's gone. And I said, what's gone? She said, that thing that's been in my brain all these years, it's gone. And her eyes looked different.

You could see that something was different. So she got up and went home that night. Now, as I mentioned, she'd been in this kind of psychotic state for 25 years. She'd been held against her wishes in mental hospitals on three separate occasion once for more than a decade. Oh. And she'd had electroconvulsive therapy. She'd had all the drugs, everything. And she was now able to, you know, function.

After this happened, she went to her attending physicians. There were three of them. And the physicians wrote a discharge report for her, and they said in our combined 90s, years of experience in mental health, we have never seen a case of psychosis healed, but we consider this woman to be healed. No further treatment necessary. So that's one of the most powerful and profound ones that I've seen, but it's indicative of what God is willing to do for those who are afflicted with mental illness. Well, it's interesting because when you have three physicians write that, it strikes me that, you know, you ought to put together a book just of those

kinds of things. You know, if you tell that story, you're telling me to write another book. Well, I mean, you can have somebody write that for you. You don't have to, all I'm saying is that to recount the details of that and then to get the names of those doctors, you know, you can have somebody do that. But I'm saying that that's really significant when three doctors are willing to concede something like that. They're not saying that it was Jesus, but they're saying that we've never seen anything like this. I just think it's fascinating and you don't read about stuff like that. So you've had so many experiences like that over the course of your 30 years of doing this that I think it's worth putting them together. I think it's important. Yep. I wish I could help

you somehow because I just feel like that's, it's important for people to read these things. Well, I think, you know, as I kind of transition into this season of book writing, I'll probably have a number of books that I can put out. And that type of a book would certainly be on the list because I think I've got a few things to say about how people get healed of these kinds of conditions. And, you know, we see a lot of people get free of mental illnesses of various types in our meetings, sometimes in private appointments. But however it happens, there's good things going on. Well, part of what's interesting, and I think it certainly bears saying, is that you have great experience with this.

In other words, it's not like you just pray. You pray, and God uses you in your prayers. But beyond that, first of all, you just mentioned having the gift of hearing from God and getting words of knowledge. I've had that maybe once or twice in my life, but you periodically, regularly, I should say, hear things from God that unlock the problem and that give you deeper insight and to tell you how to pray, what to say. So people who don't have that, you know, are at a great disadvantage. I can pray for someone, but I don't know that I will hear something. I would like to think that at some point I would develop that skill. But then even having heard something to know what to do with it, you have so much experience

and insight into how to unravel these things. And it's not as simple as I pray in the name of Jesus and stuff happens. It's more complicated. You're like an actual doctor who you look at the situation. You're trying to diagnose what's the way in. Right. Yeah, I do that. That's correct.

And, you know, in fact, on that point, this past, we're on Monday here. It's Miracle Monday. A couple of days ago, I was up in the Bronx, and I was preaching at a church up there, and they brought a young man to me. And he had a lot of stuff going on in his life. And he was, I think he was a believer, but I wouldn't say he was living anything that approximated a victorious Christian life. And so the pastor wanted me to pray for him and his friends wanted me to pray for him. And I started to pray for him and the spirit of God was moving on him.

And then just as I looked at him, I was looking kind of here high on his left chest. And all of a sudden I saw a building. And as I looked at it, I understood that it was a youth correctional facility. And I said, have you done time in the youth correctional facility here in New York? And he goes, yes I have and I said and what was that for and he said what it was I won't say it on the air but he told me what it was and I said and there was also this involved wasn't there and he went now the Lord had pinned him with the youth correctional facility word but then I added to what he had just acknowledged and then it was like it was like if you've ever cut a watermelon open on a hot summer day and just the paths it was like that and heaven opened and he just to

disintegrated and God met him. Okay, we're going to be right back. I want to ask you more about that and a lot of other stuff. Folks talking to Ken Fish, the website, kingdomfire ministries.org. This is the Eric Metaxus show. Thanks for listening. Looking to Ken Fish. Ken, welcome to the program.

Thanks. It's great to be here. It's great to talk to you. You just shared something like a big deal. You said this is last week in the Bronx. A young man is brought to you. Did they tell you what the issue was with him? What do they say?

No, they didn't tell me anything. They just said he needs help. They didn't tell you anything? No. He needs help. Yeah. I don't get that. He lives in the Bronx.

He needs help. I mean, you could guess, right? Drugs, alcohol, weapons, pregnant girlfriend. I mean, you could guess what it might be. But they didn't tell me anything. But why wouldn't they, I guess I don't understand why wouldn't they tell you what he needs help with and what you're supposed to guess? I don't get it. Well, I mean, when they bring somebody like that, obviously a conversation's going to be.

going to ensue. So I suppose they figured all sorted out. So he had some, it sounds like he had some serious sin issues, like he'd done some stuff that was very bad. Yeah, he'd had that. And he had, as many troubled youth do, an absentee father and a, you know, very broken dysfunctional home life with mom had, you know, men in and out of the house. I mean, these are social pathologies that need to be fixed. Yeah. You know, we have to be careful how we talk about them and people are hypersensitized today.

But there's no question that having a good stable home with a father in it as well as a mother is an important part of keeping people whole. Yes, that's right. Yeah. There's no doubt about that. But you pray for this man and suddenly God miraculously gives you the key. You mention it.

It kind of blows his mind. And so what is happening there? In other words, when you do that to him and he goes, like how did you know he knows god is there because he absolutely knows he knows there's no way you could know what you just said well and this goes right into what we were talking about on the front end of this show with the role of prophetic and awakening right that was a prophetic moment for him where in the language of people who do prophetic ministry his mail got read and with that now he has an understanding that god isn't just a theory god is real and god is he is he

here and he's speaking to me. And he knows you. Right. Intimately. He knows what you've done. That's right. He loves you and he wants to, yeah. And you know, we see this in the Bible, right? When Jesus first meets Nathaniel. Yeah. Nathaniel comes to him and he goes, here's a man who has no guile in him. He's pure of heart. He has no ulterior motives.

And so as Nathaniel approaches him, Jesus says that and he goes, well, how do you know me? I mean, we just met. How would you know I'm a man like that? And Jesus says, well, you know, before you came here, you were sitting under a fig tree and my assistant, Philip, called you and brought you to me. And he goes, you saw me under the fig tree? And that immediately convinces him. So he goes, rabbi, you're the son of God.

You're the king of Israel. And Jesus goes, that's all it took to convince you? Well, apparently that's all it took to convince him. And so that shows you the power of this prophetic kind of ministry to pierce into the hearts of men and women to divide the, you know, the secret from what they're willing to share and to lay bare the idea that, you know, God is here, but he's not here to humiliate or embarrass you. He's here to actually help you in your distress. Well, what happened practically?

In other words, once this guy realizes this is for real, you said, I mean, did you see what you call manifestations? Did you see him? Oh, he started crying, and then he started retching and coughing because he had some spirits that he needed deliverance from. And then he got some... You always say these things, so matter of factually, that I find it hilarious. He started coughing and retching because he had these demonic spirits that he needed deliverance from. Like, that's not normal in my world. And in most people listening, they're like, what?

But you see this so often. We got a growing cadre of people here in New York who see it all the time. Right. No big deal. Yeah. No, but I mean, it is fascinating. And I know a lot of people listening that they just don't buy it. But you're saying that immediately good things started happening, and he started to manifest these demonic things coming out of him.

That's right. Wow. So like I say, that's a two-day-old story from, you know, the north end of Manhattan. Yeah. So, yeah, it was great. What else is going on in your life? You do a lot of traveling. Do you see the same things happening here in New York as you see happening in Australia?

or in Africa or in Asia? Yes, I do. I might see possibly more of them in places like Africa and Asia. And I think it's partially because in general people are more open to this sort of thing, whereas in New York there's a lot of the talk to the hand kind of response. But I do see the same kinds of things in New York as I see in other lands, yes. And what is your sense? of the spiritual condition of this country right now because you do see, you get around the country,

you see things happening. I am generally hopeful. I feel like we're in a real spiritual battle with forces of confusion and darkness and lying voices. I would agree. It's very dark. And I think there's a prophet, I can't remember his name, but he reminds me of Mr. Haney from Green Acres. and a very sweet man, and he talks about this kind of thing, and he talks about the Jezebelic spirit. You see all of this kind of stuff, and of course, the media, not just the mainstream media, the media in general completely ignores this. They're either ignorant of it or very hostile to it. But it does seem that we're in the middle of a spiritual battle.

There seems to me no other explanation for the madness we're seeing right now. I agree with that, yeah. Any other thoughts on that? Well, so what's interesting is it's always darkest before the dawn. And on the one hand, we spoke earlier in the show about these things that are starting to bubble up, kind of the front end of revival. I didn't realize we're just going to a break. Hold that thought.

Hold that sentence, folks. We're talking to Ken Fish, kingdomfire ministries.org. Stick around to Ericma, Texas Show. Here in Texas show talking to Ken Fish. Ken Fish, you were just in the middle of making a point about where we are spiritually. in this nation. I would even say in Europe, there are, you see big trends, right?

So you see these kind of cultural elites that it's like they know that their time draweth nigh and they're raging and gnashing their teeth and acting out because they don't want to be cast into the Gatarin swine and go over the cliff. And so you're seeing a level of drama and whether literal screaming or metaphorical screaming, to me, to some extent, it's a good sign.

Something is happening, but it's a battle. Right. Yeah, that's exactly right. And you've got, as I said the, or was starting to say, you've got these kind of twin things going on. You've got this kind of beginnings of a revival, this insipient awakening that I was speaking of earlier. And you've got all of this other stuff, this darkness that's. going on. I mean, I am astounded at what happened in New York State recently, very recently, with this law that allows infanticide of viable infants. I mean, this is against the Hippocratic

oath. It's against at least 1,500 years of Western medical tradition that a viable child should be allowed to be terminated for no other reason than we don't want the child. And in fact, I would double down on that and say that in the early church, one of the main things they spoke out against was what they called the exposure of infants, but it was infanticide because they would just say, we don't want this baby, and they'd leave it out in the cold and let it die of hypothermia. Just like the governor of Virginia would like to do,

except he'd like it to be comfortable as it is murdered. It's interesting. So it's astounding to me that this is happening in America, because one of the things that we said, even in the Second World War was that, you know, the Nazis are gruesome people not just because they're gassing

the Jews, but because they're engaging in eugenics. And I wonder if that's the next thing on the agenda. We'll just round up all the undesirables and start... Well, it's effectively happening. I mean, you know, the undesirables are kids with Down syndrome. People with, you know, we talked about this on the year the other day.

How many times have I heard people say that when my wife was pregnant, the doctor said, and they would scare the heck out of them and basically saying, look, we are advising you to abort. And these people say, we will never abort. We don't care what you're saying. We will have this child, even though this child is going to be very messed up. We're going to pray for the kid and love the kid until God takes the kid. And over and over again, the kid is born and everything's fine. I've heard these stories dozens of times. But, But there's this, it's almost like a death wish in the culture. Like death will solve everything.

Well, isn't that what, I mean, I know it's sometimes risky to bring up the Pope, but didn't the Pope say, was John Paul II, that we live in a culture of death? Of course. I mean, he was the first one. We're embracing it wholesale. It's not exactly controversial to bring up John Paul II. If you bring up Francis, that's controversial. John Paul II and Benedict are the gold standard.

And I have to say that when you're talking about a culture of death, it's like we are sprinting back to paganism. I agree. Like we're sprinting back to a different view of humanity and everything. So it is really dark. But what is your sense of where it's going? Because different people, I mean, you're not exactly a prophet, but you move in the prophetic. What is your sense as you hear different people talk about this kind of stuff? Well, I think the Lord is releasing something in America that is confronting all of this. And back to what you said on the front end, of this segment. Because of that, we're getting enormous pushback from those that want to take America in this direction. But, you know, there's a lot at stake here. There's the viability of our

country. But I would say more than that, the very values and principles that founded Western civilization, whether it be in Europe or America, I think all of these are being challenged in are very much up for grabs. Well, they've been challenged since before the 60s. And then political correctness hit right around when I began Yale. I remember in the early 80s being for the first time exposed to this kind of thinking. And I had not seen it before. I mean, I grew up in a working class immigrant home, in a working class town. I'd never seen this stuff before.

But the idea that in a way, Western civilization was the problem as opposed to the solution. Right. I never had encountered that before, and I'm writing about that a little bit in my book, my spiritual memoir that I'm working on right now, because it's fascinating to think that this stuff has been building and building and building. And I think we've had politicians who've pretty much played patty cake with it. They don't want to take it on head on. And we have a president now who cannot help but take it head on. He somehow seems built to do that for good and for ill. It's a complicated thing.

It's a little bit like Martin Luther, where you have this maniac and people don't like the fact that sometimes. He behaves like a maniac, but he's going to do it anyway, and you're sort of watching this thing play out that has not played out. I mean, if George, if Jeb Bush or any of those folks had been elected, you get the idea that they would sort of go along with this because they don't want this ugly fight. Yeah, they don't want to rock the boat. Yeah. And, you know, the thing is, there have been times in history, and again, I'll go back to the Bible, where God has raised up prophets. and they have been involved in what we could call a societal reformation to bring people back out of the darkness of the times in which they lived

into some kind of a new view of God, but it's an authentic view of God. That's probably the best way to say it. One of the good examples is during the reform of Josiah, which is recorded both in Second Chronicles and Second Kings, Josiah kind of got underway with what he was doing, and then God raised up the prophet Jeremiah in the 13th year of Josiah's reign, and Jeremiah prophesied right alongside of Josiah, and then after Josiah died, Jeremiah kept on prophesying, so he outlived him.

But the point is Jeremiah was a prophet who spoke into that time. Yeah. And so we're right back to where we were talking in the beginning about this prophetic role. And, you know, the church has always said, and I don't care if you're a Calvinist or a Wesleyan or what you're, you are. The church has always said that the church is a prophetic people. We as a people of God are intended to speak the heart of God to the times in which we live. And I think that voice is being recovered. We're going to be right back final segment in this hour with Ken Fish at the Eric Mattaxas show. Stick around.

You get a rock and roll feeling in your bones, but taps on your toes and get gone, get rhythm. When you get to blues, a little shoe shine, boy, he never gets slow down, but he's got the dirtiest job. It's the air contacts show talking to my friend Ken Fishkin. Very little time left in this hour. What are some of the other things that you have seen recently that you might want to tell people about to encourage them along these lines? Well, you know, this one could maybe rock a few people's world, but you might remember there was a movie that came out probably two years ago. M. Knight Shyamalan produced it called Split. I didn't see that movie, but his movies are amazing.

His movie Signs is one of the most amazing movies I've seen. So, yeah. Anyway, he came out with this movie Split, and it's about somebody with what is known in the psychological community as multiple purposes. personality disorder. Right. Or more currently these days, they call it D.I.D. Dissociative identity disorder. Right. Anyway, we have seen some people healed of that.

And, you know, their stories are always involved and tragic. And, you know, these people are hardly able to conduct a normal life much of the time. But I'll just say this. It's an astounding thing, and you can hardly do it. it with dry eyes to watch somebody who's had multiple personalities be reintegrated into one integrated human being who can then go forward in life and function well. Now, you have seen this. I've seen it.

Recently, or when was this? Well, the thing that prompted me to mention this was a case that I prayed for in Germany in October. But people come to me from time to time with it. I'm selective about the cases I get involved with because people who have this really what they need more than anything is someone to walk with them in their journey to wholeness reliably and consistently. And because I'm always in motion going from here to there, many times those people, they certainly aren't going to travel with me. So it would be very sporadic for me to be ministering to them. But there are those ones who come and it just seems like it's the divine moment to do it.

and there have been a few that I've taken on as cases and I've worked with them in the more recent times. But in the past, I used to do quite a bit more of this. My wife and I did it together. And what happens? In other words, this is not only spiritual. There's like a medical issue, right? You're saying that something traumatic happens in people's lives. And then almost the way we build a callous or something around something dangerous to protect ourselves from it, the same thing happens.

our psyche builds something around something or it's this is not utterly inexplicable. It's just that our psyches are so complex that it's not easy to explain it. But you're saying it's things like that and you have to kind of unravel that and bring healing to that in the same way that you would have to, you know, excise a cyst, you know. Yeah. It's like except the cyst is a psychic cyst. I mean, it's just fascinating to me that Freud at least with all his, uh, mess ups gave us a vocabulary of the psyche and enabled us to begin thinking about this stuff, you know, in almost physical terms so we can sort of spatially understand it.

That's right. But, I mean, the fact that you've seen this stuff, gosh. Yeah. And if I weren't traveling, maybe I would do more of it. But again, when you start dealing in some of these things, there are some people that aren't all that happy that you're doing it. And so you can't encounter opposition or people in the medical community. Yeah, and sometimes threats.

I don't get that threats by whom. Take it, take it for what I mean. I mean it literally there have been. But why would somebody do that? Because there are some people who inflict damage on people knowingly and deliberately, and they don't like the fact that you're helping put people back together. We're now talking about evil. Yeah.

We're out of time. My friend, Ken, thank you, the website, kingdomfire ministries. org. Check it out.