The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Fish (Encore Continued)

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

It's Miracle Monday on todays program. Friend of the show and Miracle Monday regular Ken Fish joins to discuss happenings around the globe, including Armenia and South Korea. 

Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show. It's the show featuring Go-Go the Chimp. Nothing like a chimp to liven up the radio show. Easy there. Go-go, go, go. No, go-go, no. Hey there, folks. This is Hour 2, I believe.

Yeah, right? The second one. Typically, it comes after Hour 1, and that's just where we are right now. So we've got a lot of things, exciting things that we try to mention. We have friends. Actually, we should mention our friends at the Heritage Foundation. They are the ones. In case he didn't know, you keep hearing about Project 2025, which is awesome.

Project 2025, you can find it at 25truth.com. The Kamala Marxist left has been demonizing the Project 2020. Yeah, I think they got scared because they were identifying like... Because they're going to jail. Well, identifying qualified people that could help jump in with the Trump administration when they need to hire. You know, you hear about the administration. They're looking to staff up for programs they're doing. Yeah.

And this is a way to kind of help. And they're not interested in hiring Mike Pence. Right. So who are they going to hire? Well, there's other people. So these guys are helping to find those people in advance, which really saves a lot of time. So 25truth.com is the website. That's the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025.

There is great stuff on there. It was on a thread on Twitter some weeks ago that was hilarious stuff. But, you know, how to take our country back to, you know, the founder's vision. So 25truth.com is the website that's the Heritage Foundation. And Donald Trump does not endorse this message. It's actually very exciting, very exciting. I wanted before we get to our guest to keep talking about the documentary last night on PBS. This is such a dream come true for me because the story of my friend Marcus, Metaxus, and again, I'm not related to him, but he's a very good friend.

He and his wife, Hetty. I mean, I met them in 1992. And actually, you know what? If you watch the film, I am in the film at a point. There's a shot from 1992. Really? And I don't even know if people will recognize me. I'm wearing these weird, like blue and white flowery shorts.

That's a dead giveaway. And I have these kind of nerdy glasses on that were really cool in 1992. It's a still photo? But it's a shot. No, I think it's a video. Maybe it's a, you know what, I don't remember, but it's brief. It's only a couple of seconds. But I'm standing next to Youngest's wife, Martine, and one of the kids.

They're now like, you know, adults. But yeah, I was like, what? Suzanne, look, that's me. Also, when the central, I was going to say, image of the whole thing is a seal. This is a, in the Mycenaean world, and again, I'm going to be. writing about this. But in the Mycenaean world, they created these little seals that were, yeah, but small like a coin. It's like a jewel that it's engraved. The level of artistry on some of these is insane. Insane. If you think this is a primitive culture, when you see the seals, like how they were

able to carve all kinds of stuff, the one in question is not a particularly brilliant example. of it. But it's a seal. And anyway, in the film, there's a hand holding up the seal wearing these, like, you know, museum gloves because to hold the sight, that's my hand. So I'm in the film. I'm in the film. You're a hand model. I'm a hand model. Palm Olive dude. And my cousin, Yongos, is featured closely, featured centrally in the film. Yangos, I remember it was 1992. I think I've told the story before.

I was there for a funeral. My uncle, Othun, my father's brother, who's my cousin, Yongos's father, had just passed away. And the Lord spoke to me in a vision. I don't know if I've told this on the air. I'm not going to get into it. But when I say this, if you know me, I do not. You don't have visions usually. I don't exaggerate.

If I'm talking about a vision, I don't mean sort of a vision. I mean a bad, a full-on mystical experience, like, doesn't happen. And it's a whole story. I will tell that story at some point. Maybe I'll put it in the book. Maybe not. But the point is that it was insane. I had been praying with a friend, and it's a whole story.

But to cut to the chase, two days later, I'm in Cephalonia for this funeral. And so we were there for just a few days. my dad and I, and I asked my cousin Yangos out of the blue. It just kind of popped into my head. We were on our family property, which actually you see in the film several times. You won't know that it's that, but I know because I know where it is. And out of the blue, I asked my cousin, again, this is May 92. I said to Yangos, I said, Yangos, you know, I've always wanted to ask, when you read in the

Iliad and the Odyssey in Homer's epic. It always says Odysseus and his Kefaleneans. We know he's from Ithaca, but it says Odysseus and his Kefellinians. And I said, if you know the basics of the island of Kefalonia and Ithaca, whatever, Kefalonia is this jewel. It's this big deal. And Ithaca's a little like nothing. It's like an afterthought.

And I thought a Mycenaan king would have to be from Cephalonia. This is the island with all of the natural resources. It's a little bit closer to the mainland. It's just there's so much there. And I said, isn't it possible? I remember him asking him this in May 92, out of the blue. I said, isn't it possible that, you know, that Odysseus was really from Cephalonia? And my cousin says, oh, yes.

And he starts talking about there have been books written. He starts giving me the background and all this controversy and the theories and whatever. and I had never known that Heinrich Schliemann was able to find Troy. He was able to find Mycini. He was able to find Tirens and Orcamenos and Pilos. And they found all these Mycenaean centers mentioned in the Ili and the Odyssey and Homer, but they found nothing in Ithaca, nothing. So my cousin is telling me, oh, yeah, there are a lot of people that have said that,

you know, Homeric Ithaca is actually here in Cephalonia, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then the punchline. He says, in fact, again, this is May 92. Do the voice. He says, I won't. He says to me that, in fact, a very good friend of mine who lives, you know, 25 minutes down the road here, whose last name is the same as ours, Metaxus, metaxas, he and his Dutch wife, again, this is May 92, he says they, a year and a half ago, cracked the code using the text of Homer and figured out where Homeric Ithaca really is.

and it is in Poros, which is, again, 25, 30 minutes from where we are. And I said, what are you joking? Like, are you kidding me? I kind of bring this thing up out of the blue, and you're telling me that, oh, yeah, friend of mine figured it out. He says, yes, using the text of Homer and all of these descriptions of where things are, and again, they get into this in the film on PBS film a little bit. I'm going to get into it more in the book.

They figured it out. And then once they, they figured out where the harbor would have been and where all this stuff had to be, they said, well, it's got to be here someplace. Let's look. And my friend, my dear friend now for 30 plus years, Marcus found the largest Mycenaean-era tomb in Western Greece. Boom, he found it. Like, it's so, the whole thing is so insane. When you watch the film, there are things that seem to be coincidences, they are. I have to see God's hand in it because some of it almost doesn't make sense. It's so crazy. So he finds this tomb.

So my cousin says, yeah, they're going to be excavating the tomb this summer, summer 92. He says, if you want to come back in August or whatever, you could see it. Wow. So I went back in August and I saw, I was one of the first non-archologists to go into this tomb, which we now know is the tomb of Odysseus, the tomb of, I mean, again, folks, I don't expect you to buy this. Like, you got to see the film, but you can see it on the PBS website. But yesterday, the Wall Street Journal reviewed the film. They gave it a rave review, and they corroborated like, yeah, they found it. This is real.

So this is monster stuff. I'm going to be talking about this for the rest of my life. I'm writing a book about it. I want to remind you that actually I will put the Wall Street Journal article on my website, ericmetaxis.com, because I want people to know about this. This is crazy stuff. And it's also a big part of it. We talked about this with the director, Seth Ward yesterday, is you realize that these ancient peoples, they weren't blown smoke.

Like if they wrote something, whether it's the Bible or it's Homer, they're writing about a world of reality. They weren't just making stuff up like Tolkien making up Middle Earth. No, no, no. They were writing about a reality. So it's really just very powerful. I'll put the article on my website. Do not go away. We'll be right back.

folks, welcome back. We continue my conversation, my Miracle Monday conversation. I don't care what day it is in my mind. It's Miracle Monday. Miracle Monday conversation with our friend Ken Fish. So Ken, what else? We've covered a lot of ground, but we haven't really begun. Korea is a fascinating story. Most of North Asia is on edge these days. Again, kind of weaving in the geopolitical realities with the spiritual ones. So everyone knows about what North Korea has been up to with testing nuclear weapons and so forth. It is rumored that North Korea now has as many as 50 nuclear weapons, and they continue to test long-range delivery vehicles known as missiles.

And they periodically will fire missiles without nuclear warheads over Japan and elsewhere. There's been a lot of saber rattling, of course, with South Korea. And as most people would be aware, there's been a line known as the DMZ, the demilitarized zone, that runs across the Korean Peninsula. And that's been in place since the cessation

of fighting in the Korean War in the mid-1950s. However, there's never been a truce. There's just an armistice, which means the cessation of hostilities. So at any point, that could boil over into a hot war again. So we've got a nuclear-armed North Korea that is increasingly restive And just like in the last 45 days, as we're making this show, maybe even the last 30,

Vladimir Putin went to Pyongyang, met with the North Koreans, and now the North Koreans have sent part of their army to reinforce the ambitions of Vladimir Putin in the Ukraine. What? Yeah. I've not heard this. People need to understand that, you know, we're dealing with the natural world. We're dealing with the natural world. the natural world. Paul says it very, very clearly. And I think it's been kind of washed out in

mainstream Protestantism in America. But Paul says we are not wrestling against flesh and blood. We are wrestling against spiritual rulers of evil or darkness in high places. And so how high? Well, heads of government would be one place, but maybe Paul Paul says in the heavens as well. So these spiritual entities in the heavens actually affect the earthly rulers and cause them to get into all kinds of evil. If we want to be a little kinder, we could just say mischief. But when we're talking about the lives of millions of people, I think evil is the better word, even though it gets used so much. Again, it becomes Acmead and shopworn. So anyway, you've got North Korea, on the one hand, you've got China with a very aggressive expansion policy for its own.

Navy and its own ambitions in the South China Sea below Japan. And so the South Koreans and the Japanese in particular and the Taiwanese are feeling somewhat hemmed in by everything that's going on. So I went to North Korea and one of the, or South Korea is not to speak, South Korea. I went to South Korea and I went and led an event for a movement of churches there. And there were several hundred people present and the Lord poured out on these South Koreans because one of the things that people may not know is that back in the in the 60s and 70s there was a great move of God in South Korea and and South Korea went from being a pagan nation a nation that practiced the ancient Korean religion of Juchet and became predominantly Christian

And we know some names like Paul Yangi Cho, who were key leaders in that revival. But it wasn't just the Pentecostal churches. They're the largest Presbyterian church in the world is still, I think it is still the largest, is in Seoul. And so there are, you know, there have been these huge in-gatherings of believers. And for the longest time, South Korea was a major sending nation in terms of missionaries because of their fervor. coming out of their conversion. But with the rising prosperity of the modern period as they moved away from the Korean War,

and as they moved through even more than the 70s into the 90s in the early years of the 21st century, South Korea became very, very prosperous. And when you go there today, you can see it everywhere. Everything is first rate, sparkling cities, good roads, first-class hotels. Everything is very, very western and nice. But the unfortunate toxic side effect is that many of the believers who were Christian have effectively departed from the faith. I don't know if they've denied the faith. That might be a little different. But the

effect of wealth has caused many of them to become lukewarm. And so, you know, we think of the words of Jesus, you cannot serve both God and money. You will either love one and hate the other, or you will serve the one and despise the other. And so what inevitably happens with rising prosperity, and there's a lot of ways to try to retard the advance of the faith. One is to suppress it the way the communists and the Islamists did when we were thinking about Eastern Europe,

but another is simply to buy them off because of wealth. And I think the issues that South Korea, is facing are in many ways a microcosm of what's happened to the Western world and the historic bastions of Christendom, whether they be American or Australian, whether they be in the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, you know, many of these countries, there's only a fading residue of faith left. Germany, oddly enough, is the most German of the European nations at this time. Wait a minute. You just said, excuse me, you just said,

oddly enough, Germany is the most German of all the European nations. What did you mean? Most Christian. I think you missed the most Christian. I just spoke. Can you say that? I guess I'm curious about that because I'm not really clear. I've been to Germany many times,

not really so much in the last five or six years. But why do you say that? Because I don't really see robust Christianity, so to speak, in Germany. Yeah. There are pockets of it, of course. But, you know. Yep. The reason I say that is when we look at Germany as a whole,

about 5% of their population is evangelical Christian. And actively so. I mean, seeking to propagate the faith. Yeah. Exercise works of charity and mercy. Preaching the Word of God faithfully. Yeah. Used to be that the United Kingdom was in that position.

but in the last 15 years, maybe 20, that's really declined such that now on any given Sunday, maybe only 1% of the entire population of the UK is in church. Oh, wow. That's amazing. And those numbers would track, it might even be below 1% in Spain, France, Italy. These were historic bastions of Catholicism. And when I say those nations, we include by reference and inference nations like, Belgium and Holland and Liechtenstein and Dora and so forth.

They would have all been part of that. You've got Luxembourg. Don't ever get Luxembourg, yeah. I'm not trying to leave anyone out. I've just named the big players. So when we look at the landscape religiously, what we see is that, again, not what we would expect. Germany is one of the most Christian nations in Europe.

But at 5%, that's not a tipping point to quote Malcolm Gladwell. We need about 10% to get there. But the German people are really, I mean, very focused on this. Whereas now there are strong pockets of faith among the British, among, you know, the French, the Spaniards, the Italians, and all the other nations. Yes, indeed. In fact, I'm going to Holland in September and I'll be preaching in Amsterdam. So there are pockets of faith there.

But as a whole, Germany is actually surprisingly, one of the bastions of Christendom in Western Europe. But it's nothing compared with what you would find in, say, Poland or the Czech Republic or any of those nations. And they, too, have suffered from the impact of riotous wealth, some of which may be created through inflationary spending and the printing of money. And so there may be an artificial perception of prosperity. But oftentimes when people start to do well, this is why Jesus says,

said to the Laodicean church, you know, you say you are rich, but I say you are wretched, poor, pitiful, blind, and naked, and I counsel you to buy for me gold refined in the fire. So what we really need to see in these nations, all of these Western nations, and now I am including South Korea in that group, because it's for sure a G10 country. We need to see a new move of God. And so the Lord poured out his spirit in these meetings, and we had one ministry session. Let me cut you off when we come back. I want to hear about this, obviously. Folks, I'm talking to Ken Fish. This is the Eric Metaxus show. Don't go away.

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government agenda. Go to Americans for Prosperity.org. Americans for Prosperity.org. Welcome back to Texas show. I continue my conversation with Ken Fish. Ken, go. So we were in South Korea. We were not in Seoul. I flew into Seoul, of course. And we journeyed about two hours south on the Korean Peninsula. and we went up into the mountains, and so there's this retreat center, several hundred Korean believers, and I had a small team with me. We had one ministry time where the Holy Spirit moved so powerfully

that there were virtually no people left standing. They were overcome by the power of the spirit, knocked to the floor by the Holy Spirit. This is the term that we commonly call slain in the Spirit, but in that move of God, many of them were set free of various kinds of digestive disorders. Now, why would they have this? Well, because like other parts of the world, sometimes people are Christian on one level, but they dabble in other religious practices on the other.

And this could be various. It might be that they're still dealing with ancestor worship, which is traditional in Korea, or Taoism or Buddhism. maybe they are still dabbling in ancestor worship, which is a key component of Taoism or Buddhism. But one of the things that I've seen, and this is just experience, I could show it to you in the scripture, but I never really understood where this was pointing, when people cross lines, and they are not 100% given over to the Lord God Most High, whom Jesus taught us to call Father, when they are not 100% given over to God, as we understand that term as Christians,

oftentimes they dabble. And when they do, among the effects that can come in is they will often come into digestive disorders. And so we were dealing with that residue among these Korean believers who may have not had what I would say, a full clean out upon conversion or who had gone back to dabbling in other religious practices. And as I say, it was so powerful, hundreds of them were on the floor and, you know, remained. essentially incapacitated by the power of the Holy Spirit for several hours. Then a couple nights later, we had another ministry time, and that ministry time did not end until 4 a.m. because everybody wanted prayer. They weren't willing to leave. It was the last night of the event. And I'm thinking, man, I got to be up and get out of here and go to the airport. But anyway,

this prayer time went until 4 a.m. So when you run, into spiritual hunger, that's what it looks like. Now, just imagine yourself being in, I don't know, New York City or Palm Beach, Florida, or Los Angeles. Imagine a meeting in a church going till 4 a.m. because God is moving so powerfully, the people are being touched, filled with the spirit, healed, whatever it is, delivered of evil spirits. All of this is going on. And nobody wants to go home. They're like, we want God. And, you know, on that point, by the the way, that's what the people of Poland said when John Paul II went to Poland. They said, we want God. And I think there's a deep cry. It's maybe under the surface right now, or perhaps

it's been suppressed. But I think there's a deep cry among the peoples of the world because they're realizing that you can have money, you can have sex, you can have success, you can have all these things. But that doesn't satisfy that deep heart cry. And St. Augustine said, oh God, our hearts are always restless until they find their rest in you. And so I think South Korea, the percentage of Christians in that nation has dropped by more than 20 percentage points, full points, in the last 25 years, as a result of rising wealth and secularization. And I think among the Korean people, though, there's a hunger. And I think God's going to touch that nation as well. This is what an update we're getting, Ken. Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is

extraordinary. I didn't expect geopolitical spiritual analysis. I just thought you'd tell some exciting miracle stories. Well, I'm doing that. But it's interesting, you know, when you talk about people being slain in the spirit, again, there are a lot of people listening to this program. They're like, what is that? We don't have that in my church. Well, that's the joy. I mean, when you go to church and that kind of stuff is happening, boy, you want to go to church. That's just, it's exciting. I mean, it's very exciting. I mean, it's very exciting. exciting. And I wish there were more of it, as I've said to you a million times. I just wish there were a lot more of it because it's so exciting to see God move, really moving. So any,

in any case, I just want to just keep going. So you, now, are there any specific miracle stories that you do want to share? I mean, because you've been doing so much. Well, so I came home from Korea. And let me just say one final comment. You know, revivals in awakening, if you look at them, there aren't tons of them, but the ones that we see in the Bible, and there are a few in the Bible, for example, Josiah led one, and then Paul has a great outpouring both in Thessalonica, which would have led into Macedonia, ancient Macedonia. He had another one in Ephesus. In general, revivals happen in times of hardship, difficulty, distress. you know, people just become aware.

They need something beyond themselves. So I think part of why we saw such a move of the Lord in South Korea is, you know, they see what's going on with Taiwan and Chinese threats to overtake Taiwan and reclaim it. The threats of North Korea, missiles fired over Japan and themselves. You know, the whole complex of North Korean militarization. is designed to destroy soul within a matter of hours should a war break out. And so, you know, people are under pressure and they're like, we need God to rescue us from this, too. So just remember this, that awakening and revival moves of God, they generally occur in hard times, not good ones.

And so that's why I think North Asia is primed as it is for a great move of God. Anyway, I left Korea. I flew home and I went to a church in Texas, Lubbock, Texas. Hold on a second. When we come back, we're going to hear about what happened in Lubbock, Texas. This is the Erkman, Texas show talking to Ken Fish. It's the Erkman, Texas show I'm talking to Ken Fish. Ken, you were just going to share what happened when you traveled to Lubbock, Texas. Right. So I went to Lubbock, Texas, and I went to a church I visited on a number of occasions. And we've seen the Lord move quite powerfully in that church in the past. There's a deep well of faith there. And folks are, you know, they want to see their city, which they, have noticed drifting away from their, again, historic Bible Belt kind of Christian roots. So people there are like, we want to see Christianity begin influencing our society again.

Anyway, I go there and on the very first night of those meetings, there were three people who were paralyzed in various ways. Now, I want to be very clear here. Not all of the paralysis I'm describing is they're crippled and cannot walk. but all of them were using conveyances. One of them had a frame or what we call a walker. Two of them were in wheelchairs. Anyway, so I prayed for these three people, and all three of them were healed of crippling conditions,

paralyzing conditions in their bodies. Remember that paralysis isn't just in the legs. It could be in the shoulders. It could be in the arms. Sometimes paralysis comes from strokes. Sometimes it comes from damage to the spinal cord, and depending on where that damage occurs, paralysis may be occurring beyond the legs. And I emphasize this because I think there's a lot of assumptions people make about what

does it mean to heal a paralyzed person? And while I have seen many paralytic who are either paraplegic or quadriplegic healed, in this case, that wasn't entirely the slate of healings. But anyway, the first night there, three people with paralysis in their bodies were healed. And the one man was in a wheelchair, and he had paralysis with one of his legs. That's why he was in a wheelchair. He could get up and kind of hobble a bit, but it was easier for him to walk, or excuse me, to be moved around in a wheelchair. But where he really had paralysis was in his shoulders and in his arms, and they didn't really work at all.

And so anyway, we prayed with him and he began doing this kind of thing with his shoulder and with his arm. And he began moving his hand and he started crying because he could now, let's say, button his own shirt or brush his own teeth or feed himself. And so when you hear a storyline, you know, you're kind of with the drama, the human in the sense of the word drama, how God has intervened. got him up out of the wheelchair and prayed. And I would say a meaningful percentage of the problem with his leg also got healed. But at least in that meeting, it wasn't 100% healed. So I wouldn't call his leg portion completely healed. But he was saying, I can't believe I can do this.

I can lift my arms and I can bend my arms back. I couldn't do any of this when I came in here today. And so we had three people in one meeting that night who were touched by the Lord. healing their paralyzing conditions in the United States of America in front of a crowd of, I don't know what we had. Maybe I'm not sure. I don't want to overstate it. So I'll say 250, but it could have been 350. I mean, again, you know, part of what's so maddening to my mind is that this kind of stuff is not covered by the media. They pretend as though it doesn't exist. Many Christians don't believe this exists. And I think the reason for that is that, you know,

how many times have I prayed for somebody to be healed and I don't see anything coming from it? So at some point, you kind of back off and you go, well, I don't know. I don't know what to say. But I, so you see this happening. It's exciting. People need to see it happening. So I encourage people if they're ever, if you're ever in their neck of the woods for them to go to one of these meetings, that you do. I want to repeat the website is Orbis Ministries, orbis, orbis ministries.org. Because it's very exciting. It's very faith building. And there's something to that. I don't understand that. But somehow when you see something and you get excited and somehow it gives you faith, and that's important. But anyway, a couple minutes left in this segment. So keep going.

Well, so further to what happened in Lubbock, we also had some people converted. I don't want the people to think that we're only about healing and deliverance. But, you know, in the Bible, those kinds of signs and wonders often lead to people coming to faith. And so I view this all as one continuous norm from conversion to healing to deliverance to filled with the spirit, et cetera. And on that note, many of our listeners will remember the story of when the Samaritans were converted out of Acts chapter 8. and when the disciples in Jerusalem hear about what's happened up in Samaria, a little bit north of them, they send Peter and John to them so they can lay their hands on them,

because, and I'm quoting from scripture here, the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen upon any of them. Now, that's very interesting language, and of course, in its own context, they would have understood what this meant. But if you've never seen this phenomenon, you kind of puzzle, why did they describe it that way? Because isn't everybody filled with the spirit at conversion?

Well, everybody is sealed with the spirit at conversion. Ephesians 1 and 2 Corinthians 1 both state this. But to be filled in this way, this is a subsequent and repeatable event. This is why Paul says in Ephesians keep on being filled with the spirit. And so they hadn't had that first time of getting, we might say, whacked in colloquial English. And so they send Peter and John, they lay hands on them. And based on that experience, a man named Simon Magus, he's coming out of sorcery, he offers money and he says, give me this ability that everyone upon whom I lay my hands will be filled

with the Holy Spirit. So Simon saw something. The Bible doesn't articulate exactly what that was, but clearly whatever it means to have the Holy Spirit fall on you, that was. that was happening in Samaria and Simon wanted to buy it. So, you know, back on what I said happened in Korea and we had a powerful move of the spirit in Lubbock also similar, but not quite as extensive as Korea, when the Lord moves in a room like that and people are getting filled with the spirit, whether for the first time in that manner or anew, when they get

quacked, it's quite demonstrable. It leaves quite an impression on people because what they realizes God is not a theory. They realize we're not just making this up. This is not wishful thinking. This is not just your opinion against my opinion. There is a reality where God actually is coming into the room and he is physically, materially affecting people's bodies and lives. I don't know how to say it anymore clearly. Yes, it's kind of important. It's not dead theology. It is God who is alive and it's very exciting and beautiful. We'll be back final segment with Ken Fish. Hey there, folks.

I've got to remind you, we have a number of sponsors on the program. Another partner we have on the program is the Hertzog Foundation. I've talked about them. When people say to me, hey, Eric, what can I do?

Things are going to hell. One thing you can do is get your kids and grandkids and neighbors into quality Christ-centered education or homeschooling, which is about the same thing, right?

But how do you do that? Well, the Herzog Foundation exists to help you do that. They're fantastic. And so they're a resource just like Americans for Prosperity. So go to HerzogFoundation.com. Herzog Foundation.com. There's just all kinds of stuff to see at Herzog Foundation.com. But they're there to help, just like our friends at Americans for prosperity, Herzog Foundation.com. Okay, Ken, we should have talked about this earlier. I've been talking to you for the better part of these, both hours here. And we,

We've not mentioned you're doing a conference, an ignition conference. When is it? Where is it? So we're doing a conference in Nashville, Tennessee, and it'll be October 3 to 5, October 3 to 5 in Nashville, Tennessee. And if people want to find out more, they can go to kingdomignition.org, kingdom ignition, one word, kingdom ignition. dot org and we'll have a slate of speakers of whom I will be one.

And we're building on the theme that we had last year in our fusion conference. And you and I talked about fusion last year. There's a whole kind of scientific underpinning to this, which is probably more than we can do in the time we have left. But anyway, ignition is the next phase in the scientific process after two atomic nuclei fuse. and I actually got this word in prayer, and I got in an argument with God about it, because I said, Lord, this is a really stupid name for a conference. Can this really be you, or am I just like dreaming

this up? And then in December of 2023, there was a series of news releases dealing with this process of ignition, and I realized that the Lord had actually been speaking to me. So the subtitle of ignition is building a sustainable move of God, building a sustainable move of God. And we've got an all-star cast of speakers accepting present company. I have my friend Puddy Putman, who is a trained particle physicist with a postdoc in it. He'll be speaking on what is ignition and how does it, how does science relate to what we're talking about spiritually? I think for those who struggle with that science, faith interface, they would love Puddy's presentations. My friend Obner Boski is going to talk about the important role of the Jews and why replacement

theology is actually wrong. Derek Morfew, one of the leading theologians of the kingdom of God. Cindy Jacobs, who's a prophet who doesn't really need much introduction for those who are familiar with these things. Chris Reed, whom you know, Eric, Dr. Craig Keener from Asbury Seminary. He'll be speaking on inerrancy in scripture and the historical reliability of the gospels. We have several other people coming who move in miracles, but you can see we're blending good teaching, good theology, signs and wonders, demonstrable stuff. And we're more than half sold out and we're about two and a half months out. So, excuse me.

So if people are interested. Is that a deliverance that just happened on the air? Ken, you're talking about that's such an amazing group of people. I'm almost offended that I was not invited to speak. Seriously, that sounds really tantalizing. I'm going to have to look at my schedule. So that's October 3rd through 5th in Nashville. And you said people can look it up under kingdomignition.org.

Look, I am shameless in telling people. I want them to know about you and to follow you. And if you can get to Nashville, October 3rd, I'm sorry we didn't say this earlier in the program, but October 3rd through 5th in Nashville, kingdom ignition.org. Ken Fish, thank you for all you do. Thanks for being my guest. folks, you can find Ken at Orbis.org, orbis ministries.org. And again, the Nashville, October 3rd through 5th,

you can find at kingdomignition.org. You can find me at ericmetaxis.com. I hope you'll sign up for my newsletter. If you do that, we will send the video of this conversation to you, ericmetaxis.com. So Ken Fish, thank you, my friend.