The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Fish & Mike Bickle (Encore continued)

Episode Date: May 1, 2023

Ken Fish and Mike Bickle continue their presentation of "God Is Not A Theory" discussing the tumultuous situation in Israel and what the church can do about it. (Encore Presentation)

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He has, he's never done this before. He's calling the whole world, Christian organizations around the world, literally millions of people to participate in a 21-day prayer and fasting for Israel. It's a very big deal, and I thought I want my audience to hear this conversation. So even though I did it on Ken Fish's podcast, we're airing it today for you. 40 years ago, 1983, I was 27 years old. I'm 67 now. I had a young adult church, 500 of us in May of 1983. And in a very dramatic way, I won't tell the story.

He called us to a 21 day fast. We spent many hours a day in a prayer room, our young adult congregation. It was pretty rough, pretty boring, pretty hard, but about five or six supernatural things happened in May 1983. I'm not going to go into it. But the point is, for 40 years, my ministry here in Kansas City with the IHop, Kansas International House of Prayer for the last 24, I pastored 16 and I hop for 24. That's the 40 years. All 40 years I've said, May 83 was the most significant three weeks in my ministry by far because of these five. or six supernatural things. So that's point one. So now it's January this year three days,

three months ago. My leadership team said, hey, Mike, we're coming up to the 40 year anniversary of that 21 day fast in May 83. Let's do it again. And I said, actually honestly, I said, no, they said, no, it's amazing. Let's do it again. I go, well, not let's. Most of you were not born 40 years ago. So it was rough. But you said, these five or six supernatural things happened. They did. But that doesn't mean we can pass again. Literally, my leadership team prevailed all in January. I said, okay, okay, okay. Then about three weeks later, we're talking. I have what I call a Balaam's donkey moment. I'm sure you guys had these before where I prophesied and did not know I was prophesying. A little bit of a negative attitude.

And I said, okay, we're going to do this 21 day fast. This is February in May. The same dates, May 7th, 28? I couldn't believe I said it. I go, why don't we spend all 24 hours a day for three weeks in a row on pray for Israel? And the minute I said that I tried to grab it, because I never thought such a thought. And our leadership team said, that's God. And I go, no, wait a second, that would be so boring. No. They said, no, Mike, that was because we pray here. we got 600 full-time staff. They serve here 50 hours a week. So it's a real workforce.

So we have 84 two-hour prayer meetings every single week led by worship teams. I'm right here in our program. You can see the studio right behind me. So we have a 10-member worship team 84 times a week for 24 years, actually. But I said, we're going to do this for three weeks in a row, 252 two-hour prayer meetings. I said, I want to take that back. And our leadership team said, no, that was God. I said, okay, two or three weeks go past.

Now it's the first of March. A leader, a couple of international leaders are in town. They said, hey, Mike, why don't you call your friends across the world to join you on this 21-day fast to commemorate this 40 years ago that you did it? Because we were kind of doing it out of sentimentality. I didn't even want to do it. And I told these leaders, like, no. My friends don't want to do it. Honestly, if they called a commemorative 40 years later,

let's go on a 21-day fast, I'd say, go do it. Give us the report afterwards. I'm not going to do this. Like, nobody would do it. And these leaders, the international leader, said, and da-da-da-da-da-da. And anyway, the Lord convinced through a number of them, we're playing it.

And I said, oh, my God, this is ridiculous. Okay. Okay, so I'm already, didn't want to fast, didn't want to do the Israel thing, and didn't want to call them leadership team. That's why I mean this. It was so serendipitous prophetically. Well, I called our leadership team together.

About 100 of the 600, our leadership, like two days after this, I go, guys, the emergency meeting. I've been convinced by these guys, we need to call other people in this. I just don't know this is going to work. Well, I want to say two things. I want you to tell the story of those five things that happened 40 years ago during those three weeks in 1983 so that people listening can get some context. But before that, when I was with you at IHOP, Ken and I were there two years ago, two summers ago, and you told the story, the story, you kind of gave your end times exegesis of how the Christians, the Jesus believers,

were going to stick their necks out for Israel and for the Jews. And now that would be a powerful witness to Jews around the world to say, this is weird. We are having our, you know, the world wants to wipe us out. And it's these born again Christians, these serious Jesus people, sticking their necks out more than anybody else. You know, three weeks of fasting and prayer for Israel at a time when anybody in Israel who's paying attention understands their face, an existential crisis. They're facing being wiped out, facing the whole world turning against them, and a bunch of Jesus freaks led by Mike Bickle are fasting and praying for it. So it seems fascinating to me in terms of the witness that this will have for Jews, that we. I think that's right.

Yeah. So I want to finish this one little point because it's key to the story. So I get my leadership team together, the hundred of them, two or three days after these leaders convinced me to invite you guys, the nation. So I went, I don't know. I would not do it reverse. So I get my team together, a hundred of them, I go, if we're going to do this, you've got to make this more important, the most important three weeks of your ministry ever, because this is going to surpass what we did in May 1983. This will be the three most significant weeks of my life. And their eyes get real big. okay, cool, that sounds neat. I said, no, you don't understand. Here's the call. Our 50 departments at IHOP, we got to have 50 departments of service and ministry and all kinds of things. I want to shut

down everything almost. Their eyes are getting big. I'm talking to 100 leaders. You know, we got 600 on staff, but the 100 are there, they go, and what's that mean? I said, if this is real and you want me to call people, I wanted to be real to you. And they said, okay, what's that mean? I said, I'm asking you to shut down all the on ministries. And I want you, because they serve 50 hours a week, it's a full-time job, to be 12 hours a day in the prayer room. Their eyes got so big. Normally they're in the prayer room two hours or four hours. Well, I said for 21 days. I said, if you will do that, I'll call my friends in the nations. Out of 600 people, 300 said, they took a deep breath.

They said, we'll do it. I said, no, this has got to be real. So they'd They said, yes. Well, some guy in our leadership meeting of those hundreds was to the back of the room with a little geeky camera. He was filming it. We don't film our leadership meetings. We have staff meetings. We just talked.

He put it on YouTube the next day without telling me. I mean, I knew I saw the camera, but I forgot about him because I was a little bit nervous calling them to 12. Are you kidding me? We've never done anything like this. I mean, we did two hours. I didn't call them to 12 hours. That seems dramatic to me.

It seems like over-case. in the natural. I don't get that. Did God tell you to say that? No, I just said it. I said, if we're going to call the nations to this, because it's the most important thing we've ever done, let's do it then. Let's do it. You don't have to. Tell me if you want to. And I said six to 12 hours, and I said, but aiming at 12, and I was, if 100 would have done it, I would have been sold, 300 said, we'll do it. But we've never done it before. So it's kind of a big, we're kind of sighing at it, but we're going to do it. So I said, my gosh, There'll probably be 500 people in this prayer room 24 hours a day.

And so anyway, this guy captured it, put it on YouTube. Now, here's the last point. 10 days later, the young adults came to me. They said 50,000 people have viewed that ugly little video of you talking to the leaders. I go, they did? I didn't even know it was on YouTube until a couple of days afterwards. 50,000, and they were responding, we're in, we're in, we're in. We had a, what would be about 300,000 people at the 10-day mark.

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Forget IHOP. Then we're starting a new website. It's not an IHOP website. Isaiah 62 and I've shared this vision, this statement on Zoom calls, many Zoom calls like 100 leaders with two and three million in their downline, a number of those. Portugal, 100 liters, 7 million in the downline. A number of those. Latin America, Spanish, 100 leaders, $5 million in their downline, talking to Korea, to Russia, to Chinese leaders, to Romania earlier today,

all over Singapore, New England, I mean, Australia, New Zealand, thousands of leaders behind maybe 50 or 100 on the Zoom call, and they're saying we're calling all of our people to one hour day. I said, this is not an I hop thing.

Then I find out there's a crisis in Israel. And so when you started, you saw the crisis who called, I go, well, when our team said, let's fast in May, I said, no. Then our team said, then I said, let's do it for Israel. Then I took the words back. And my team said, no, that was God. Then the leader said, call the nations. I said, no, I didn't, this was a Balaam donkey in my world. I did not mean to do this. So let's be clear, 40 years ago, when God did these series of miracles in your life in May 1983, he the Lord foresaw in May of 1983. I mean, he saw before the beginning of

time, but the point is that he made clear in May 40 years ago what was going to be happening 40 years in the future. That's what's blowing our mind in the last couple of weeks. We go, oh, my gosh. That's not a small anniversary. It's not the 37th anniversary. It's the 40th anniversary. In the few minutes that we have left, is it possible for you, Mike, to give Ken's audience and my audience the short version of what happened in those three weeks 40 years ago? It's a little hard, but I'll say, I'll tell you one of the five of the six. And I have all this, not that your audience needs to go do this, but I got, I told the story hundreds of times over 40 years. I know. IHop world has heard it over and over and over, and I've got it on my website, all the stories.

It's called the prophetic history of IHop. And I have 10, one-hour presentations of just pure stories of supernatural things. Oh, no, I know. There's no doubt about it. But just for our audiences, many of whom are unfamiliar with you or IHop, your IHop, can you give us any short version of this? Yes. Yes. It's May 83.

The Lord speaks audibly. you're going to have 24-7 prayer with singers and musicians 40 years ago. I don't like that. Hold on. Audibly. Audibly, Mike Bickle in 1983, you didn't believe in a God who spoke audibly in this kind of prophetic way in 1983. Am I getting that wrong? Well, technically I did. I just didn't ever think it would be real. I mean, on paper I did, but not in functionality I did. So suddenly in 1983, audibly.

you hear the voice of God. Not a small thing. It's a major story. And my statement was no. But we, because it was an audible voice of God, we put the sign on the wall, 24-7 prayer was singers and musicians. So for 16 years that I pastored,

Archers go to 3,000, the visitors would see the sign on the wall. And what's that? And for 16 years, I said, I don't even know. And 16 years later, which was 24 years ago, We started IHOP. I had no idea how to do this.

And then the Lord told us to Bob Jones. He told me back in May 83, he said, all over Asia, he sold smartphones. A lot of people don't know who Bob Jones is. I know it's hard for you to believe because you're Mike Bickle. You live in a world where nobody doesn't know who Bob Jones is. Bob Jones was kind of a kooky guy, except he was a genuine prophet of God. and we don't have time to explain that right now, but he comes into your world. He blows in in 1983, spring of 83.

You don't know what to make of this weird figure, but he comes to your life and tells you what sounds like crazy stuff. He tells you that God said to him that people all over the world are going to have televisions in their hands, little tiny. Unplugged TV sets, particularly all over Asia and rice back. 40 years ago, many, many years before the advent of anything like an iPhone, sounds crazy. But in 1983, in these weeks that we're talking about, 40 years ago, Bob Jones says this to you. So keep going.

He says it publicly many times to many people. We thought he was crazy. He said it in that time, there will be 100 million intercessors, Gentile intercessors for Israel. That's insane. I thought the church was Israel. I didn't ever pray for Israel. I didn't want to do 24-hour prayer, and he said, no, they'll be all over Asia with unplugged TV sets in their hands, sing, singers and musicians in Kansas City.

Then it went crazier than that. He goes, God's going to put you on Harrius Truman's property. Because I said, what? It was like, we're in the rich part of town. Harry S Truman was from Kansas City, but he's the blue-collar part of town. He goes, God's going to move this rich congregation to the blue-color part of town. he's going to give you Harry S Truman's property. I said, why don't I don't even know this guy, Bob Jones.

I go, why would I care about Harry's Truman? He said, Harris Truman was a political intercessor for Israel, but you're going to be spiritual intercessors for Israel with singers and musicians on unplugged TV sets around the world watching you. I said, what are you talking about? 25 years later, I was given Harris Truman's property as a gift, a free gift. We have 160 acres. It's probably worth $20 million, I guess.

I have a check. Right there on major interstates, there's three interstates. It's an incredible location given to me as a free gift, like Bob Jones said, 25 years after he told me. And not only did we get it as a free gift, it's right next to IHOP, it said, we got it 50 years to the day that Truman sold that property to this Jewish family. we got her from the Jewish family 50 years to the day, January 27. This is so rich that it's difficult because. I know. I know that's right.

I don't know if I could do this real quick. I've had to know, no, no, no, but it's good. I've had one clarifying comment here, just so everybody is 100% clear. Mike said I was given the Truman property. He's saying I was given, but it actually is not Mike Bickle's personal property. It is. Thank you, thank you. I have nothing to do with it.

I hope won't give it. I don't think anything is worried because I don't want to log down. But the point is that IHop, your ministry was given this property, which was Harry Truman's property. Anybody who knows the story, not a lot of people do. Harry Truman was a Cyrus. Harry Truman oversaw from the vantage point of the presidency of the United States, oversaw the creation of the modern state of Israel 75 years ago. So this is very rich.

This is very tough to take in the layers, the layers, the levels. And as we like to say, when we're talking about prophetic, big prophetic events, you can't make this stuff up. No, it's insane. It's a consequence of events that nobody could orchestrate except God. Bob, Bob Jones said these things publicly to hundreds of people, thousands of people collectively over many, many years. He wouldn't stop saying it. I said, Bob, I don't care about Arius Truman. I don't want to pray for Israel. I don't want 24-hour prayer with singers and musicians.

And that stupid thing about unplug TV sets, and here's the next thing he said. He goes, when this happens, I was 27, he goes, you'll be one of the oldest men in this movement. I said, what movement? He goes, you'll see, you'll be an old man, and you're going. grandchildren will be in their strength when it happens. We had a two-year-old and a four-year-old son. I'm 27. I go, my grandchildren, they're 19 and 20 right now. He goes, and at that time, he goes, they'll have an abortion pill.

They'll sell over the counter and you won't need a doctor. And the first time I met him, I go, sir, do you know an abortion is? He goes, of course I do. I go, you can't have an abortion with a pill. He goes, you will when you're an old man. You'll be, you'll see when you're an older man. He goes, not only that, he said the homosexuals will come out of the closets, and they'll parade in the streets with the support of governments around the world. I said, we got a gay parade in San Francisco.

Why, our government didn't care? He goes, the governments of the world will stand in support of gay parades all around the world. I said, you're a crazy man. There's 10 more things like that. Every single one of them happened, and it's 40 years later, and we've got 24-hour prayer with, you know, for 24 years. I go, oh my goodness, I'm not a singer or musician. I wouldn't get to do this. And now the Israel thing is happening.

And we got the Israel with the Truman property. And because he said they were political intercessors for Israel at Truman. You will be spiritual intercessors with singers connected all around the world through these unplugged TV sets. And our web stream is all around where we got millions of people who watch our web stream. They watch this prayer meeting. I mean, these prayer rooms day in a day out. It's like, and then the January, hey, let's have a fast, you know,

to commemorate our 40 years? No. Then let's pray for Israel. I go, no, let's not really. Then, hey, tell the leaders of the nations, no. Then I tell my staff, they go, we're in. We'll do it 12 hours a day. I said, that's extreme. And then 50,000 people watch it in 10 days. And I said, this ain't about us. We're not touching this thing, man. We're on that website, we're going to be one of the links, one of the hubs with a thousand others, because this is not us anymore. Americans have had it. They're done supporting companies that rake in hundreds of millions, sometimes billions of dollars, while trashing the country that made their success possible. Until recently, we had to take it, but companies like Patriot Mobile are building a whole new

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Hey there, folks. Today's kind of a special edition of the program where I'm having a conversation with my friends Ken Fish and Mike Bickle about something really, really extraordinary that Mike Bickle is involved in. He has, he's never done this before. He's calling the whole world, Christian organizations around the world, literally millions of people to participate in a 21-day prayer and fasting for Israel. It's a very big deal, and I thought I want my audience to hear this conversation. So even though I did it on Ken Fish's podcast, we're airing it today for you. I want to thank my friend Ken Fish for sucking me into this maelstrom, because this

is obviously important. Look, I mean, just to sum up, because, you know, I let's let's sum up here. Let's sum up here. Good. Israel is in a gigantic crisis on two fronts, internally and externally. This is new. Israel has weathered a lot of storms, but we're talking about right now is that within Israel, the woke forces, the globalist antichrist forces, since we don't have time. And I can't say it any more, any more completely than that. So let's just sum up that the woke, loony, antichrist forces within Israel are trying to destroy Israel.

We have Netanyahu and others trying to fight against that. It has come to a head. It hasn't come to a head in the United States. We're still in the middle. We're still, you know, but it's not like it's come to some pinch point, some trigger point. But it has an Israel. And that's clear. And you didn't know that 40 years ago.

And you didn't know that a few months ago. I didn't know four weeks ago. I found out four weeks ago. Right. You didn't know that. Also, we know from without Iran is on the verge of getting what Obama and AOC have finally hoped Iran could get something to murder Jews. Isn't that? Probably in May they'll have a nuclear weapon the first time in history.

They'll have it in May, probably or June at the latest. Right. And so everybody who voted for Obama and who hates Trump, you're part of this, folks. You can repent or you can just ride this to hell because this is as evil as it gets, wiping out Israel. And so now in history, here we are. Here we are. It's happening.

So this is all happening. So if you don't know anything but that, that gives you a reason to want to fast and pray for Israel. So the website is Isaiah 6.2, Isaiah 62 fast.com. Isaiah 62 fast.com. This is a 21-day fast May 7th to May 28th. Pray one hour a day for 21 days, what we're asking. So, well, people can find out everything at Isaiah 62 fast.com. But Mike, this is undeniably dramatic and important, no matter how you slice it. If people just got 20% of what we've been talking about. This is news. Most of us, myself included, were not really aware of any of this

stuff. You weren't aware of it four weeks ago. You weren't aware of it a few months ago when you're looking at this 40 year anniversary of what happened in May 1983. So it's kind of complicated and we ask people to have patience to try to, because it is complicated, but it's undeniably important. And I think for now probably we ought to just say enough. Let's put a pin in it and continue this conversation another time because we have time between now and May 7th. And we have time to talk about this. But I wanted and I want to thank you, Ken, for helping me to see the opportunity to get the word out that we have to pray for Israel. and God has orchestrated this.

He orchestrated it 40 years ago. He's been orchestrating it recently, May 7th and May 28th. The website is Isaiah62fast.com. Unless either of you feels an urgency to share something briefly, I would say. I do 30 seconds. Go ahead.

You and your friend down there, Ken, with Francis Chan and Andy Bird, Chris Reed, we were all together in Kansas. the city for two weeks together, and it struck us how significant your book on Bonhofer was. And you said, I thought it made this and this, and we talked about it in depth. It is an eschatological statement from heaven, the Bonhofer book. And I remember you were going, I didn't grasp it. And I want to say for such a time as this, that book is critical.

It's not just a history book that moves you. It's well written. I'm not trying to flatter you, but it really is well written, even though you. went to Yale and all that. I didn't get my talent at Yale in case you're wondering. I got my talent from my parents passed down through DNA, but thank you. But that's an escata. I mean, that's crazy.

That's a big word. A prophetic declaration from heaven. That book and the courage of Bonhoffer, I highly recommend people to read it. We went through it all, a whole bunch of us. Stick, but it was worth it. Well, I want to tell you, I'll reiterate, there is no doubt in my mind today that God called me to write that book for his prophetic purposes. I had no idea.

This is, I cannot, people never believe you, but I'm just telling you, I, just like you said, I had no idea about, you know, this stuff, we plan all that. This fast, this fast took me by surprise, like your book took you by surprise. When you do something and then only later you look back and you go, oh, I guess God really is sovereign. I guess God really does stuff. and he kind of plants these these seeds. I had zero clue.

When I was writing that book, it was one of the most difficult, unpleasant experiences of my life. It was incredible, incredibly stressful. But I see now why God called me to write the book on Bonhoffer. A million copies were sold.

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You're my audience, and I want you to hear it. And you have been hearing it, and I hope you will continue to hear it because it's fascinating. It was, it made it possible for us to just to survive because, you know, trying to be a writer and stuff. But it, it, I mean, I wrote the book in 2008 and I didn't have any idea ever when I was writing it that we would be here now all these years later. So, so thank you for saying that. I do think God clearly called me to write that book for such a time as this. And my new book, which is called Letter to the American Church, is kind of like the, okay, okay, here's where we are now.

What about the American church? Where is the American church? Great book. And how about the book, if you can keep it? Not so bad of a book. I didn't have to end by plugging my books. That's really kind of you. But I just think that the larger point is none of us is doing stuff just to do stuff.

This is not about our careers. This is about what God has ordained and called into being. And there's some people that are Christians, they don't really get this. And I'm here to say, folks, you need to get it because it's true, not because it's my point of view or something. These things are really dramatic. And if you connect any of the dots, you can't help it at least be a little shocked,

a little pushback. You think it doesn't seem like a coincidence. So anyway, I just think that we're seeing the fulfillment of some prophecies. We're seeing something. The bottom line is, it's important to get this message out. So I want to tell people again, Isaiah62fast.com, send this video to anyone you can,

because there are lots and lots of people that they don't have the beginning of a clue of 95% of what we just talked about. And it's very important that those who can get a clue, those who have ears to hear would hear these things. Ken, if there's anything you want to add, otherwise I'm just going to. Yeah, I'll just make one kind of closing remark. here. Obviously, a lot of these are things that could be polarizing, depending on where you stand in the political spectrum. I think the safety and security of a nation, look at how people have gotten stirred up over Ukraine. The safety and security of a nation, the avoidance of

whole-scale war, which could escalate beyond just one single bomb, the integrity of a process, a government. These are all things that should be on the hearts of Christians, because if nothing else, the Bible says that we should pray for all those in authority that we may leave, lead quiet and peaceable lives. Well, we are doing this to stand in the gap. That's literally what intercession is. We are doing this to stand in the gap on behalf of our Jewish brothers and sisters

who are not only under threat right now, but who have been under threat severely in the 20th century and in other times in the past. So set your politics aside, regardless of whether you think good, bad, or otherwise about Israel. Many of you probably do think positively, but I'm intelligent enough to know that there are people who may not fully buy in. But just for the sake of lives saved, for the sake of safety, for the sake of people being able to live quiet and peaceable lives, Join us in this fast because it really is an eschatological thing that we are witnessing unfold, whether or not it's being displayed on CNN or comparable networks. This is your opportunity to join us.

This is your opportunity to do something significant to stand on the wall for others. That's why you should care about what we've shared today. Well, we've got to. I love you, Ken Fish. I love both you guys, and I'm just grateful that we're able to kind of begin the conversation. We need to talk more about this, but this will at least peak people's interest.

Folks, you ought, you owe it to yourself to find out more about who Mike Bickle is, what IHOP is. IHOP obviously is International House of Prayer. You need to find out about what happened in May of 1983. Educate yourself, if you want. I just think it's endlessly fascinating. but at least go to Isaiah 62 fast.com, Isaiah 62fast.com.

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That is exactly what I said. Literally to free slaves. Christian Solidarity International since the 1990s has been doing this. They have freed 100,000 slaves, but there are many more who are enslaved now, real people just like you and your family. And I'm talking to Todd Chabin. he's a spokesperson for CSI.

Todd, you said that this is like an operation that happens a few times a year. So there's kind of an urgency to this. So how is that? How does that work? Yeah. Yeah. So you've got North Sudan, South Sudan. We're basing out of South Sudan and going up into North Sudan and negotiating the freedom

of these slaves that have been held captive, many of them for decades now, most of their lives. And so, but then what we do, the second that we negotiate their, freedom, we get them out of that slave master's home off of his property. But then we gather them together. And three times a year, typically, it's a pretty great distance to get back down to the, you know, kind of the home base where we need to get these slaves taken to. So we get them in a group together and we call it a slave liberation and we transport them together down into South Sudan and begin to hopefully reunite them with their families and get them started on our new life. And so it's a really exciting time for us, as you can imagine, because it's like the culmination of all this prayer and work and your donations.

We've had one of those already this year. We've got another one coming up here in the next month or so, and then another one in the fall. So I guess the point of this is there's a real urgency to what we're asking you to do today in giving your gift, whether it's $250 or maybe you could give $1,000. Because the more money that you give to us now, that will allow us to know what our capacity is to negotiate. the freedom and set even more slaves up and get them started on their new lives yet this year. And every year we try to save and free more slaves than we did the year before. Sometimes we can do it. Sometimes we can't.

But, you know, we can't release a single human being except for people like you. And I have to tell you, Eric, your listeners over the years have been so incredibly generous, not just in the size of the gifts, but the fact that many of these people that have come in and partnered with CSI because of your program. They continue to give year after year after year. And so thank you for being so invested in this important life-saving work that CSI has is never to do. I say it all the time.

We've got to live out our faith. If your faith is just some intellectual construct, I got bad news for you. It's nothing. It's dead. You don't have faith. If you don't live your faith out, the scripture says faith without works is dead. so you're not saved by your works, but if you believe you will live out your faith in works, in doing good things.

And it's vital that we understand. That's a privilege, folks. That is a privilege that we get to do things according to God's will for his purposes. You want to bless God. You do these kinds of things. So there's other things you can do, but I just want to tell you, I can't think of anything that is clearer than the idea that I give a certain amount. amount of money and it will free people from slavery. I, I, I, uh, I tremble. I tremble when I think of,

of God and his heart and are indifferent sometimes. And so this is an opportunity for, for each of us uh, to take seriously what we claim, we believe to do something, to do whatever you can do. Uh, the website is metaxis talk.com. That's the radio. website mettaxistalk.com at the top, you'll see a banner for Christian solidarity. Please, folks, go there. If you prefer to call 888-253-3522, again, 888-253-3522. This is an amazing opportunity. Please take advantage of this. 888-253-3522. Todd Chapman, thank you.