The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Fish - Part 2 (Encore)

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Miracles are still happening around the world and Ken Fish continues to share his eye-witness accounts from his recent trip to Israel and other countries. (Encore Presentation)

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Welcome to Eric Mataxis show. This is our special bunker video of the day. as you probably already know, in hour one, we had Franklin Graham and talking about Frank and the pandemic situation. And then we had the Benham brothers, both of the twins. We couldn't get the third one, but we got two of the twins to show up. That's going to be on the TBN show this weekend, I believe. It was specially taped in Skype, really high quality.

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That's like what? That's a lot. That's almost a third of the price. What am I saying? Eric, Eric, you don't mind if Chris and I sing Happy New Book to You? Would you do that? Yes.

Chris? Happy new to you. Happy new book to you. Happy new book to you. Happy new book to you. Happy new book. Rick, happy new book to you. You have many more.

Hey, do you want to blow out the candle? There's a candle. Yeah. Here, you want to blow it out. The software in this system, let me blow out the candle. People on the radio aren't going to be able to see this. But trust me, this is pretty crazy. We've got this video software.

If you go to the Eric McIntax's show on YouTube, you will see. I'm going to try it, Albin. You ready? You did it. Yeah. Hey, hey, I got your present. I got your present. I got your present.

I took my socks off for you. Happy new book. I'm telling you. I'm just moved. At least I'm pretending to be moved, really, to tears. It's hard to take the kind of love that you guys are showing me on this superficial level. It's very, very moving. Thank you, guys.

Thank you. You're welcome. And James, he just doesn't even. care. He does not even showing up right now. James, I know. I know that if you could that you would wish me happy, happy book lunch day too. I know that. I know that. It's okay. Okay. So, Eric, he's phoning it in. It's seven more men, right? So you did seven men and this is seven more men. And it kind of, I like the NBA and a lot of times online people will pick their top five. I could see people out there picking their seven men to kind of go against, you know,

maybe the new seven men like you know head to head who could you know top wilber force or whoever you know and bruce jenner was in this book until wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute i thought wait a minute i bought the wrong book i bought seven mormons seven mormons no no no no that's a different book this is seven more men oh actually you know what i should say who's who's in the book because dennis prager had me on yesterday. He was going to have me on for the whole hour, but because of this COVID pandemic, he had me on for like seven minutes. I'm not hurt. Hold on a second. Who's in this book? Yeah. Of course, Martin Luther, who was a very faithful Catholic monk, an amazing man of God. We have George Whitfield, who was, he was such an amazing evangelist in the 18th century

that he makes Billy Graham and the Apostle Paul look like lazy agnostics. Do you understand? understand what I'm talking about, the level of evangelism. Then, of course, we have George Washington Carver. That's definitely the most moving story in the book. I don't want to reprise it now, but he was a black man who grew up during slavery times and almost died, was very sickly, went through hell, basically, and became one of the greatest scientists of our time, recognized by the president of the United States, Rick. I mean, just on and on the awards he got, the inventions. I mean, he was just, you want to talk about a hero.

He is a hero. And we don't hear so much about him. So I wanted to put him in the book, George Washington Carver. We have Sergeant Alvin York, played by Gary Cooper in my book. And then we have Alexander Solzhenitsyn. I realize a lot of young people don't know who Solzhenitsyn is. And I just want to say to them in love, shame on you. No, what I want to say to them is, you can't go through life, not knowing who Alexander Solzhenitson

is. He is one of the great heroes of the 20th century on a level that I don't think I can compare him to anybody. Just one of the greatest heroes of the 20th century, a prophet, basically. And speaking of prophets, Billy Graham is the final man in the book. And I always semi-joke, you have to be dead to get in the book. When Billy Graham was alive, I didn't put him in seven men because I said, I'm only going to put in men who have passed away. And the same thing with seven women. Now, next year I'm coming out with seven more women.

But anyway, we need heroes. Maybe he could put Bruce... Heroes. What's that? Maybe you could put Bruce Jenner in the Seven More Women book. You know, I never thought of that, but then he would have to be dead. Oh. Yeah, that's the...

See, that's the problem. That's a high price to pay to become a chapter in a book, Albin. You know what I'm saying? Okay. A lot of people want attention and they do crazy things like transition and appear on the cover of Vanity Fair. but I don't think that I just don't think it's worth all the trouble of dying to get that kind of attention. You know what I'm saying? Fair enough. Fair enough.

So listen, listen, before we go all week long in hour two, which is to say in a couple seconds here and then all week long in hour two, we've got our friend Ken Fish on. Some people think he's a charlatan and a fraud. And other people like me don't. So we have on Ken Fish, we love fish, we need some more fresh fish, that's what we need. And also, I guess I want to say that if you have not yet seen no safe spaces, it is being banned on the streaming services. Folks, this is about free speech. Think of the irony. And the streaming service is consider it too controversial.

We're living in times where if folks like you do not step up and fight, we're all. all going to be suffering things and we have nobody to blame but ourselves. So if you're able, go to no safespaces.com, it's an important thing to watch. Also, Albin, you had something you wanted to share about the airlines? Yeah, no, I was reading on Reuters has an article about, you know, the big bailout is for all these small businesses and big businesses as well. So what's happening with the airlines, the government is giving them money because they're losing a lot, obviously.

but the government is also having a stake in the airlines. Now that you might say like, whoa, the government owning airlines is bad. But I found that there's also an upside because already I was able to go and get half-price tickets to Hawaii, as long as we fly in August of this year for my wife and I, it's great. Half-price tickets to Hawaii on Air Pelosi. Did you think Air Pelosi? Air Pelosi. Oh, man, that's troubling.

That sounds like socialism, Albin. I don't know if I would buy those tickets. I'm not going to eat the macadamias on the way. But other than that, it's going to be great. Five hours. On Air Pelosi, you're lucky to get pretzels. Holy cow. This is tough stuff.

Somebody was sharing with me something they called the COVID mullet. Remember the mullet in the 80s and 90s, the horrible mull. Well, the COVID mullet, it's really a sartorial thing. It's a fashion thing. It's wearing a nice jacket and a shirt up top. and wearing pajama bottoms down below. I'm wearing the COVID mullet right now. If you're watching this on video, if you're watching this on radio,

what I just said is a complete lie, folks. And if you're listening on radio, it's even more of a lie. All right, we're going to be back with our buddy, Ken Fish. This is so much fun. Go to Metaxus.com to find out more and go to my website, Eric Mataxis.com, to sign up for the newsletter. Stick around. Hey there, folks, that's Cheap Trick.

I'm Eric Mattaxas. This is the Arkansas show. And I'm talking to my friend Ken Fish. Ken, we've been talking about speaking in tongues, which really is just a fancy way of saying speaking in other languages by the power of the Holy Spirit. You wanted to make another point about that. Yeah. So if we look at the story of Moses with these 70 elders, and I mentioned this in our last segment, they gather at the tabernacle. and the spirit comes down on them and they prophesy.

But, you know, when that happens, a young man comes running from outside the tabernacle enclosure. And they say, Moses, my Lord, Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp. They were supposed to be at the tent. They didn't make it to the tent that morning. I don't know why, but, okay, they didn't. And Joshua says to Moses, Moses, my Lord, stop them. And Moses says, are you jealous for my sister? sake would to God that all the Lord's people would prophesy. And so Moses has clearly learned something

from his time of communion with God on the mountain in prayer that it is the ultimate intention of God that all of the people of God would be, I'll call them spirit carriers, carriers of the Holy Spirit. And with this, we see that in the Old Covenant, as well as in the new, when the Spirit comes, there are certain signs and hallmarks. Now I have a whole extensive teaching on this available through my website called When the Spirit Comes. But just to kind of capsulize just one point of that. So when the Spirit comes, this isn't just, yes, I've received him. This is not mental assent.

There is some sort of encounter, something dynamic of the Ruach, of the wind of God coming upon us. And one of the signs that is common is that people begin to speak in these other languages. And so Moses says, don't be jealous on my account. It is the ultimate intention of God that all the people of God will be spirit bearers or spirit carriers. And Peter says this on the day of Pentecost when he's quoting the prophet Joel. He says that it will come about in the last day, says God, that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh. Now, it does mean believing flesh.

This isn't just for, you know, random unbelievers. But for those who believe, your sons and your daughters will prophesy, so men and women, and you're young and you're old. Your old men will dream dreams. young men will see vision. So male and female, young and old, doesn't matter where you are in life, no matter who you are. You might be speaking from another country. You may not be a Jew, but nevertheless, you can become a spirit bearer or a spirit carrier. And this promise occurs multiple places throughout the writings of the prophets. We see it, for example, in Isaiah chapter 29. We see it in Jeremiah chapter 33. Over and over, God speaks through the prophets about it is his intention to create

a race of beings who are spirit carriers that the spirit of God is upon them, and they move under the guidance of, the leading of, and the power of the spirit. You know, I mentioned Terry Fullum a while ago. I remember a number of these stories he would share. And he said, I can't remember where he was in Europe. I don't know if it was Greece, but he says he was in a monastery where they claimed that they had records in the monastery of people praying in these other people. languages going back to the third or fourth century all the way back. This was normative for people deep in prayer to experience this kind of thing. And you hear about stories of people praying by themselves, Lord, if this is you, I want it. And it happens to them. It doesn't happen to everybody.

But I've heard many of these stories. Now, I also want to be clear that a lot of people know the term glossolalia. Glossolalia is just speaking in tongues. And again, we really have to sometimes pull away these weird words. Glossa is the Greek word for language. Right. Okay. So glossolalia means speaking in languages that are not your native language. And so speaking in tongues, you know, some people think of the Talking Heads album. We have all these weird ideas about speaking in tongues. It simply means speaking in other languages. It is a way that God shows himself to us, blows our minds. It's a miraculous thing, like seeing a vision or whatever it is, but it has to do with speaking in a language that is not your native tongue. That's right. So if you look at the

history of languages in the world, linguists have identified that there have been at least 30,000 known languages in the history of mankind. There may well be more, but there the number that I continually run into is a minimum of 30,000 through history. Yeah. And at this time in history, the number that is spoken all over the earth is north of 6,000. Now, some of these are not widely spoken. There might just be some tribe with, you know, 250 members, and they have their own unique language that they speak.

But in the history of mankind, and these would include languages like, you know, old German that's now defunct. Latin is known, but unless you're a Roman Catholic priest, you probably don't speak it. But it was once a spoken language. Sanskrit, old Euguritic. I mean, there's lots of these things. Well, there's a zillion.

I mean, think about it. Think of the empires that have come and gone. Correct. Think of the Hittite empire. Acadian empire. Think of the Sumerian Empire. These were civilizations greater than anything we have seen. I mean, they lasted centuries.

Correct. And they had infinite languages at that time. I mean, just imagine in the world 2000 BC, what were they speaking here and here and here and here? So, yeah, there are tons of languages that they're no longer on our radar. That's right. And so basically to boil down a much longer argument, a really good linguist can typically hold up to 25 languages in her brain. And after that, she's kind of maxed out. That's just the capacity of the human brain.

But if you're a really good linguist and you're given some time, you could tease out. If you were hearing a language, you'd recognize it as such and be able to decipher it. That might get you to about 100. But to speak it and be able to do it, 25 is kind of the cap. John Paul II, the now deceased Pope, he was able to speak. I think it was 24 languages. So that's kind of the upper limit of what we know. But if you think about that, most people are nowhere near that.

many people might speak three or four languages if they are in an area where that's useful to them. We know a lot of people that are bilingual, trilingual. But what that means is, let's say you're someone who's – let's say you speak 10 languages. That means there's 29,990 languages, at least, in the history of mankind that have been spoken that you wouldn't be able to speak them and you don't know them. So your odds of getting a language when the spirit fills you, if you're that person. and many people aren't even that person, your odds of getting a language you don't know are 29,990 as the numerator divided by 30,000. In other words, there's a better than 99.9% chance that you won't recognize the language.

And a lot of people stumble on it because they say, well, I don't recognize it. I'm not speaking it. It's probably rubbish. Well, actually, the odds are much better that it's actually real, and you just don't know that language. Well, it's funny, too, because if you think about, think about Polynesia. Now imagine the Polynesian peoples have existed, Micronesia, forever. 2,000 years ago, what languages were they speaking on these innumerable islands? I mean, it is really just looking at it that way.

It's absolutely fascinating. And then some people postulate that there are angelic tongues. We haven't touched on that. Right. Do you think that there's any possibility that when people are speaking in other languages that some of them might be angelic tongues? Do you think there are such things as angelic tongues? I don't know. Well, Paul says if I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but I have not love, then I'm a noisy gong and a sounding symbol. So he does mention angelic languages. But he might have been speaking

metaphorically, like we have no idea. Yeah. So I was just about to say, I don't know that we want to rule it out out of hand. But I would say, I don't know that we need to hypothesize angelic tongues given that we have this very large reservoir of human language as we know about. Right. Yeah. Okay. So why don't we go back to some of the things? Right.

So we're in Israel. This is where all this began. You were last in Israel. This is a few months ago. No, I just came home about a week and a half ago. Oh, okay. So anyway, we're in Israel. I'm speaking on us as the people of the spirit and the ultimate promise of being, you know,

the people of God carrying the spirit. and I said, who wants this? Where were you in Israel? In that particular meeting, we were in Galilee overlooking the Sea of Galilee. Okay, right. So a bunch of people stand up, the Holy Spirit falls, and a bunch of people who had never had this happen to them, all of a sudden it begins to happen to them. And for a few of them, who were on my prayer team, and who hadn't really stood up to receive a prayer language, as we might say, many of them began to speak in, languages they didn't recognize as their customary prayer language. And this happened while they

were praying for other people. So the people who were seeking this experience, they got it. And then a bunch of my prayer team also had, I would say, a secondary or a tertiary language that they didn't recognize. They got it. And so the whole room just sort of went off. And this, you know, this kind of carried on for, I would say, a good 30 minutes before it subsided. So it was very powerful. And as I say, We had Arabs present. We had Jews present. We had some people who were neither one. And it was very, very amazing.

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org. in Israel overlooking the Sea of Galilee? Anything else we need to talk about there before we move on? You know, we had a couple of people healed in that meeting of conditions that were, I would say, I would just call them mobility limitations, whether it was a paralysis or a numbing or something like that. But there was one person who came with a conveyance. It was a walker. And they could walk, but with great difficulty. And in the end, they folded up the walker and set it to the side and walked out the door walking normally. So that was a, and that was all in that same meeting where the Holy Spirit fell in the manner that I've described. We moved on from Galilee and went to the

southern part of Israel, and we held some meetings down near Jerusalem. Excuse me. And, you know, one of the amazing healings that happened there was a woman came. And I actually called her out of the crowd. I didn't know if it was her or another woman right next to her, but I said, there's somebody right over here, and you've got a problem with your shoulder, and you've had this problem for quite a while. And she said, yeah, I injured my shoulder in a car accident 29 years ago. Excuse me. When somebody, when you say that, when you say there's somebody like right over here, they have a shoulder problem, you've had it for a while, how does God communicate that to you? I assume it's an inner knowing versus actual words.

It can vary. Sometimes it is an inner knowing. And when I get it as an inner knowing, it feels like something is impressing here on my chest. And I have that knowledge. I'm just describing in terms of sensation what's occurring. But there are other times where I will see a picture in my mind and I can describe the scenario. And there are other times where I may see words and I read the words. And forgive me for interrupt. the story, but when did you first experience these kinds of things? Was this when you were first,

like in your early 20s, when you were hanging out with John Wimber? John Wimber. Is that when you first began to see this kind of thing happening? I used to have it happen a lot when I was a kid. When you were a kid? Yeah. And my mother got after me and she said, you have an overactive imagination and you're precocious. You need to knock it off. Knock it off. Yeah. And so I, I would say, I pretty well got, I don't know, shut down, right? It was, I mean, my mother loved me, but she didn't have a framework for any of it. And neither did I, for that matter. I was just a kid.

And so. Well, the reason I ask you this, Ken, is because, you know, you try to teach this stuff and you want to activate these gifts and people. But I think we have to be honest and say that some people have particular giftings. I mean, most people don't experience this stuff when they're kids. You did. Right. But then it went away for a long, long time. But, I mean, it used to be that I could tell, well, in this case, my mother, you know, so-and-so is here doing this.

And so she would find out later that that was right. Or I can remember not long after my father died, my mother didn't have enough babysitters for me. So she would go to visit her friends, and she would bring me along to the gatherings of her friends. and I would sit there and talk with them, and I would often complete their sentences for them, verbatim, what they were going to say. And so this freaked them out. It sounds like a spirit of witchcraft, except actually, I want to get into that later. I want you to finish your story, but I want to ask you some questions about that.

Go ahead. Well, but anyway, so it went away for a long, long time. And it was only after I started hanging around John Wimber that it started to come back. But if I'm honest, it's never really come back the way it was. So I've asked God more than once. You know, give me back what I had. You know, it was kind of quenched to use a biblical term. And at one point I was so freaked out by it.

I actually asked God to take it from me. How old were you at that time? Oh, that's probably eight or nine, ten. And you asked God to take it away from you. Yeah, because I was afraid I was going to get kidnapped and be made to tell which horses were going to win the races so people could gamble. That would be fun. That sounds like a fun story.

Not when you're a kid, right? Now when it's real. Yeah. So anyway, so I asked God to take it away, and he did. And as I say, it's never really come back to the degree that it once existed. And I've asked the Lord many times, you know, can I have that back? And at least so far, it's not returned in the same way. I want to go with you to the mom with the racetrack and try this stuff out.

Okay. So, but please finish your story. And then I want to ask you some questions. All right. So anyway, so sometimes when I'm leading meetings, I have a sense of where in the room it is. Yeah. Sometimes I get people's names. sometimes I know the condition only.

It just, it varies. Okay. So there was a woman you said. Yeah. So I just said, there's somebody right over here and you've got a problem with this shoulder. And this woman says, yeah, it's mean. So she stands up. And you said you've had it for a long time and she says it was 29 years.

29 years before she'd had a car accident. And she'd had major problems in both shoulders, her neck. And that night we prayed for her. And she was, I would say, totally set free on the left shoulder, which was what I had called out. but she still had some problem on this side. And so a couple nights later, we had another meeting in another location in Jerusalem. And she came to that second meeting. And at the second meeting, she was completely healed of the other things that were problematic for her.

So in the end, she was totally healed of all of her conditions. But in that case, we had to pray for her on two separate occasions. Right. All right. I want to ask you some questions. when you talked about being a kid and having this, we know that a lot of people have these gifts. They don't need to submit these gifts to God. They can use them for fun and profit.

There are people who have psychic gifts. They can see ghosts. There's all kinds of stuff. I want to sort that out with you when we come back. I am talking folks to Ken Fish. His website is kingdomfire ministries.org. Oh, yeah. I'm talking to Ken Fish.

Ken, we were just talking about this idea of, you know, having these gifts. Help people understand because there are plenty people that have these kinds of gifts, but they're not Christians. They are not using it to glorify the God of the Bible. They just seem to have this. It's like a parlor trick. They can hear things. They can see the future.

How does that work? Well. And how is it not demonic? I mean, is it, you know, or is it neutral, and then you can choose how you want to use it? How, what is that? Yeah, I don't think it's neutral. There are gifts that are listed in 1st Corinthians 12, and they are specifically termed the gifts of the Holy Spirit. So the real item, the one that we want to be functioning in, is for believers, and these gifts flow out of the person of the Holy Spirit who is upon and within us.

On the other side of the fence, we've got people who are functioning out of something else. And, you know, Paul the Apostle says that Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light, meaning he tries to appear to be a good guy. And so I think there are people who have an anointing, but I wouldn't call it an anointing from the Holy Spirit. They're functioning from the other side. And yet, because Satan functions as an angel of light, that's a counterfeit. So there are spiritual counterfeits, which can be very misleading.

And we see examples of this throughout Scripture. For example, the magicians in Egypt who oppose Moses. And in one of the New Testament books, they are named Janis and Jambres in particular. So we have these Egyptian magicians who are operating out of some kind of an occultic power. Yeah. We see the same sort of thing with the astrologers and sousayers in Babylon. when Daniel is called in to interpret Nebuchadnezzar's dream. So the scripture doesn't question that these things exist.

And in fact, in Deuteronomy chapter 13, I'm paraphrasing, it says if a dreamer of dreams or somebody who works a sign or a wonder should arise among you, and even if the sign comes to pass, even if the prophecy comes to pass, even if this happens, but the person does not direct you back to the one true God, So, you know, most believers would say, well, his name is the tetragrammaton. Jews won't say the name. They call him Hashem, the name. But for most people who understand a modicum of Hebrew, they would say the name appears to be Yahweh.

But for a good Jew, they would simply call him Hashem the name. If they don't point you back to Hashem, then do not listen to them, even if the sign comes to pass. So the scripture is very clear that there is something. that I'll call it is real and yet it's not authentic because it's directing you in the wrong direction. And I would say those kinds of false signs and lying wonders are prolific in our world. Oh, yeah. This is one of the reasons so many people are led astray and they're confused about the very things we're talking about. Well, I guess I wanted to bring this up at some point. I don't know where I was. I think I was in Louisville, Kentucky, turn on the TV. And there are a number of

shows on that it's kind of like ghost hunters and it's you know people that and it's so fascinating to watch these programs knowing what we know because you're watching it and it's it's to me it's completely fascinating because you know that what you're watching is totally real these are demons and the people on the program don't have a clue that's correct and it's absolutely insane i was watching one it was back-to-back shows i think it was different shows but similar concept. One of them, they didn't know what to do. They had a Catholic priest on, and the priest talked about a bunch of stuff, and then they

kind of went and did their own thing based on what the priest had said. He gave him some holy water or whatever. And then they kind of hit a brick wall, so they reached out to some psychic, and they bring in the psychic. Now, the psychic, it seems to me, was saying things that were accurate. She was recording. She was saying, this is what the spirits are saying, and this is very scary to me and whatever, and she seemed to know that these were dark spirits, kind of lying, you know, it's like she

knew everything except Jesus. And so she's reporting that they're saying this and they're saying this. And it was very real and was very, you know, kind of horrifying and weird and stuff. But if you have any practice with this, as you certainly do, and I have a little, you kind of recognize it. And you know exactly what to do. But the people on the program didn't know what to do. They were just freaked out. That's right.

Well, you know, part of the reason for this is that, you know, we're living in a transitional time in Western civilization. I would say when you and I were, you know, in our tender youth and receiving the foundations of education, we were living in a society that was not yet what we call postmodern. It was still a scientific paradigm. Right. And the nature of the scientific paradigm is if you can't be. make it happen on demand. So, you know, you want to test ice, freeze water.

Put it at 32 degrees. It'll turn to ice. And you can do that, you know, all day long, every day, all year, and it'll always work. And so with that, you can do whatever experiments you want. The nature of the scientific paradigm, it demands reproducibility on demand. Yeah. The postmodern paradigm doesn't necessarily require that. And so people like us that are roughly of our vintage and older and maybe even a little younger than us,

many of those people, I should say younger than we are to use proper grammar, those people are troubled by this because we were taught by precept and example through our education, in our churches, in our synagogues, we were told over and over again in many different ways, these things aren't real, it's all make-believe, it's fake, it's nonsense, don't pay any attention to it. But now we live in a more open worldview where people are actually susceptible to this. they're receptive to it. And with that, they are interested in experimenting or finding out about these things. And thus we see talk shows, radio shows that are going after this in a way that never would have happened 30 years.

I want to be clear. Do we have another minute? Okay. Well, what you're saying, again, I've noticed this. But what fascinates me as I'm watching the programs, Ken, is that they just don't know where to go with it. There was another show where there was a man who was being. attacked by demons constantly. And it was so obvious that this is real and this is true. And I thought to myself, you can call me in, and I know how to deal with this. I have the authority of God, the authority of the name of Jesus to cast this stuff out or to whatever. And they didn't

have a clue. And I just thought, I don't know who's doing these shows, but it's just fascinating to me that there's so few people who know how to deal with this really horrifying stuff if you don't know Jesus. We'll be right back more with Ken Fish. Nothing's going to change my world. Hey folks, that's the BGs. I'm Eric. I'm talking to Ken. Ken, I was just saying to you that I watch, so I was watching these different ghost hunting shows and I just thought it's so obviously real if you know anything about this, you just can see that this is real stuff. This is not looniness, but they don't know Jesus. They don't know how to solve these problems. And I felt bad

for the people because I thought, I want to go there. If I had the time. I'd contact them and say, here's what you need to do, here's what you need to talk to, because these are very real problems. Right. I often have people contact me seeking prayer for exactly these kinds of things. And, I mean, fundamentally what's happened is we are seeing the breakdown of what used to be called the Christian synthesis, where in the West we had, I would say, a substantially Christianized civilization.

It was never perfect, but most of our sentiments, our foundations of law, what was deemed to be appropriate behavior. In one way or another, this all arose from the sensibilities of the Bible. And in the last two generations, you know, the Bible has been banned from public schools, prayer has been banned from public schools, Christianity has been banned from the public square, and with that, all kinds of things have started to spring up. And we see exactly this pattern, not kind of this pattern. exactly this pattern in the Bible itself that when the people of God were following God, and I'm talking the Old Testament now, among the Jews, there was none of this in the land. And God in the Old Covenant, it even says you are not to allow mediums and spiritists

and necromancers and sorcerers to exist among the people of God. And so in a Christian synthesis society, these things were pushed to the margins. I mean, there was always a little bit of it around. This is why Saul could find the witch of Endor just prior to his own death in 1 Samuel 28. He can't get a word from God, so he goes to a medium. And she calls up Samuel, and Saul dies that day. But Saul was at that point somehow attempting to make up for his past transgressions by moving these things out of society.

And at different points along the way, Isaiah speaks into people who consult mediums and spiritists, who peep and mutter. We see in the reform of Josiah in 1st Kings 23 that he had to get rid of the spiritists in the land. So these things would recur. And what's happened is because we are no longer really seeking the Lord, the one true God, as a civilization, and we've kind of opened the doors to make it in anything goes society.

With that, there's been a proliferation of all of these other spiritualities, which, as you've correctly noted, are motivated by dark powers. That's what's going on. Unbelievable. Now, since you mentioned the witch of Endor, does she actually call up the spirit of Saul? This is confusing to me. Do you have any sense of what actually happens there? Well, scholars debate that passage, but my opinion is Samuel does actually come up. I think that's one of those exceptions where God allows Samuel to come to address Saul. Even though he's been called up by a witch. Yeah. Again, I say it's an exception. And I think

the reason, and he does it because God brings Samuel to pronounce Saul's doom. You will be with me this day because of what you have done in forsaking the ways of the Lord. Saul's been on a long decline over the years ever since he'd failed to carry out the will of God with the Amalekites early on in the book of 1st Samuel. So I think in that instance, it is Samuel, and the evidence of it is that the witch of Endor or the medium of Endor, when she sees him, she goes, ah! You know, she's, she doesn't doesn't actually expect this. She knows what to expect. Even the witch is freaked out. Yeah. All right. We're at the end of the hour, folks. Thanks for listening. Our website metaxis talk.com.