The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Fish - Part 3 (Encore)

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

Ken Fish of Kingdom Fire Ministries continues to share his eye-witness accounts of miracles from around the world. (Encore Presentation)

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Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. This is what we call Hour 2. Typically Our 2 follows Hour 1. And today we thought, why screw it up? We'll have Hour 1 first. In Hour 1, boy, I hope you didn't miss it. Wow. We had Franklin Graham on talking about.

at the Samaritans Peres Field Hospital right here in Central Park near me. And we had on the Benham brothers talking about getting arrested for trying to counsel women in front of an abortion clinic. You've got to see these. By the way, let me tell you, this weekend on our TBN show, that's this Friday, 6 p.m. Is it 6 or 6.30? I always forget. It's 6 o'clock on Friday.

Six o'clock Friday, Eastern time, folks. You're going to see the whole interview with Franklin Graham and the Benham Brothers. So if you miss it an hour one, you can watch it on TV, on TBN, this Friday. Really exciting that we're doing newsworthy stuff for TBN. Finally, I'm so glad we had this opportunity. We've also got to mention we've got Ken Fish in Hour 2 today all week long. In Hour 2, we're playing our friend Ken Fish, my conversations with him. him. And, you know, yesterday, I don't know if you guys realized that yesterday was the launch day

from my book, Seven Men. Yeah. And I, well, a couple things. First of all, I did a bunch of radio interviews. I was on with Dennis Prager. I always loved Dennis Prager. I was on with Sebastian Gorka. Now, we all know Sebastian Gorka is our friend, right? Now, Sebastian Gorka was on his program doing what we do on our program. He was advertising. the documentary film made by Dennis Prager called No Safe Spaces, right? Right, right. And when he advertises anything, if we ever wonder why we're not more successful, he says, he actually said, no safe spaces, got 99% on rotten tomatoes.

And I said rotten tomatoes. If you say tomatoes, it sounds so Tony and highbrow, who's not going to go to MySafasapaces.com? So I just want to say it got a high score on rotten tomatoes. And no safespaces.com, honestly, if you go there, you'll see it's been deep platformed, okay? Netflix will not carry it. Amazon Prime will not carry it. Folks, we're in a culture war.

This is a war. when you have mainstream, you know, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon, carrying the worst filth imaginable, no problem, but they will not carry no safe spaces by my friend, Dennis Prager. I've seen it. It's beautiful. It's fantastic. It's informative. It's something everyone should watch, much less, you know, entertaining. And they won't carry it. So that's why. why we are appealing to you. Go to no safe spaces.com and check it out. What can I tell you? It got a very high score on rotten tomatoes.

And also actually, this is funny. Sebastian also advertises relief factor as we do on this program. And it has really helped him a lot. And he said he got some kind of knee surgery or something. And he said that, he said, all I had to do is treble the dose. And I thought the guy said, tomatoes and treble. Trebled the dose. And I thought, if I could just sound more like him, man.

Okay. So, so, so I was on with Sebastian talking about my book, Seven, Seven More Men. And afterward, I decided to celebrate seven more men since yesterday was the launch day. I would run seven miles consecutively. Consecutively. Wow. And so I did that. put a little thing on Facebook and on on Instagram and on Twitter just celebrating because it was a it was a beautiful sunny day and I thought why not so I ran up to the Bronx and home what do you

think of that that's not telling you how quickly I did it because that's another story but it's just a funny thing when it when a book launches the author you know you can't help but get excited because you've you've worked so long and hard on it and you look at cover designs and it goes on and on and on and on And then finally there's the book. That's great. Not to say what time you got home, but Suzanne had sent the police out looking for you. So there's an idea. That was funny.

And because it was funny, I'm going to let it go. Okay. I'm going to let it go, Albin. I still have your cupcake here with the candle in it. It's exciting. Well, look, it's exciting to me because I know that the stories in my seven series books are inspiring to people. Like I know that when you read the story, you can't help but feel that you want to be a better person. Yeah.

I mean, that's, it's so valuable. I love the, I love the story of Chris Himes. I just, your first producer and what he did for your show is just. You know, and the fact that I was willing to include him in a book, even though he's not dead. He's not. But, oh, no, actually, there is right now a gun. Sorry. I don't know because my entire family decided to come into my radio.

studio. Is that true? It's going to be like that video we've seen in the past. Oh, and the other thing that I noticed, see, by being a guest on Friends radio shows to promote seven more men, I'm learning from them. So yesterday also, I'm on with Sebastian Gorka, and he goes on and on and on about, he goes on and on on about Mike Lindell and asks me, plays a clip from Mike Lindell speaking at the White house and then asks me to rave about Mike Lundell or ask me, what do you think about Mike Lindell? So I go on and on. He's a hero. He's a hero. He's a guy. And then he says, and that's why you should go to my pillow.com, order as much as he can to support him and put in the code, I don't know, Gorka or whatever. You son of a gun, you use my enthusiasm for him to help your show. No, but I mean, we joke,

but it is, it does make a difference when you think that the sponsors of your show are real here, These are not just people selling something. They're helping other people and then the money they make. I mean, the same thing with honor-bound coffee and relief factor. Honorable coffee, we've said. They genuinely are going to take all their profits to help military families, 100% of their profits. How do you not get excited about that? Even if it was average coffee, and by the way, it's phenomenal coffee.

But how do you not get excited about that? And how do you not get excited about a guy like Mike Lindell who's such a maniac? that in the Rose Garden, I mean, he didn't even tell the president. He goes out there and says some really heroic, beautiful things that only a maniac in the good sense would say. Anybody else be like, well, I can't say that. He says these beautiful things about God and about prayer and all this different stuff. And then he's vilified. And I thought, you know, if you're vilified like that, you're my hero.

And then I realized he's also a sponsor on this program. So yes, if you want to support crazy people. like Mike Lendell go to MyPillow.com. Be sure you use the code Eric, but he needs our support. He deserves our support. And what does he do with his profits? I promise you, he gives to all kinds of wonderful organizations. I mean, it's unbelievable. The movie unplanned last year, he was one of the producers. He gave like a million dollars to that pro-life film. So he's another hero. So if you go to mypillow.com, put it in the discount code, Eric. You'll get our disclosers. count up to 60% on all kinds of stuff.

I continue to rave about the mattress topper. The mattress topper almost kept me in bed today. I would not be here if by the grace of God I wasn't able to rise like Lazarus because I was practically speaking dead. It was just, it's that comfortable. See, people think I'm kidding. Yeah. I don't always kid.

Might sound like I'm kidding. It's unbelievable. Okay. The, uh, the, the Benham brothers and Franklin Graham. we're in hour one today, in hour two, that's in a minute. We're going to be talking again to our friend Ken Fish. I was listening to my interview with Ken Fish as I did my happy seven-mile celebratory run yesterday. And I just love the way he clarifies things.

Yesterday, he was talking about what does it mean? What does speaking in tongues mean? And we use these fancy terms. And he was making it very clear what it meant. I just love that. I just love that kind of teaching. All right. We're going to wrap it up here.

When we come back, we're talking our friend Ken Fish. The rest of the week, folks, we've got John Zmirak tomorrow. We've got stuff that, like amazing stuff. But you knew that. Thanks for listening. Hey there, folks. That's Glenn Campbell. I'm Eric Metaxis, and I'm talking to Ken Fish.

Ken, we were just talking about when you see things on TV or whatever. There's a reality there. And I think that more and more, as you said before, that there are people who acknowledge this, but they don't know what to do about it. We can even go back to the movie The Exorcist which came out in... 74. No, 71 or 2.

Oh, okay. I'm pretty sure. Maybe our engineer can look that up. Yeah, but it was not... No, I don't think it was 74. I think it was 70... Anyway, the point is that when I watch The Exorcist, a horrifying movie, I don't recommend it to anybody. It will freak you out. But what bothers me about it is, that the two priests are effectively inept.

Correct. Even the good priest, played by Max von Siedau, he doesn't have the authority that he ought to have. He acts like a bumbling, like he, you know, he wins in the end because God is there, but it's just like by a, he wins by a whisker. And you think, that ain't right. That's, that's, that's, so in a way, the movie exalts the demonic beyond what it ought to have because the power of God is so huge that the devil's cringe when he shows up. But the devil in that movie is playing with these two priests, I mean, particularly with

the Father Karras, who is, you know, kind of a wing nut, doesn't get it at all and doesn't really have strong faith. And but even the Max von Sieda out priest doesn't seem to have the sufficient authority. And so it's just mayhem. and so the movie never really shows you the power of God. Right. Well, remember the era in which that movie was made. Oh, yeah.

We were, I mean, whether we were 71 or 74, we're approximately 10 years into the two-generation interval that I described in our last segment. Right. And so it's fairly early on in that transition out of the old paradigm, the old worldview. Right. And, you know, it takes time for these things to develop. And during that period of time, I would say, you know, much of Christianity was well, effectively powerless. And it doesn't matter much whether it was Protestant or Catholic. It was just that way.

Right. And so it's portraying what people perceive to be the case. And even many of our pastors and priests and other leaders would have had, I would say, deep skepticism about things of the supernatural, including demons, because actually going back to the time of Rudolph Boltman and, you know, even Groff and Wellhausen, who were German theologians, the desupernaturalization of Scripture had been underway since at least 1885. Oh, yeah. So there was already a long, I mean, Satan's a long game player, right? He doesn't just play tactically. And so I think there's been something underway to try to undermine the confidence of Scripture, the belief in the supernatural God, the power of God

to dominate demons and other evil things. That's been underway for about, let's just say, a century and a half in the Western world to the point where institutionally we don't have much memory of a time where people had a robust confidence in the supernatural God. You and I do because we've seen things where we go, yep, it's real and we know how powerful God can be. But other people may not have had that experience and as the old saying goes, seeing is believing. Yep. All right. So we've covered a lot of stuff here. I want to go back to some of the stuff you have been seeing in particular. You've done a number of meetings, events, since we were last together. We were talking about Israel, but you've been in other places. What are some of the things that you have seen that we should

hear about? Well, so this year has been a slower start for me on purpose. I did an event the first week of January in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, with some associates of Randy Clarks and my friend Brian Blount. And we, you know, we saw a number of, you know, we saw a number of, of amazing things happen in that gathering. And it was around 500 people. But, you know, one of the things we haven't talked about, we've kind of focused on physical healing, we've talked about demons. But one of the things I think really bears some discussion is what we call inner healing or the healing of memories. Right. So a lot of times people are, well, they're afflicted or they're held back or they're crippled or whatever you want to say, but they're not experiencing all that life should be.

and it's often because of previous wounding or challenges that affect them in their emotions and sometimes in their memories, which is a portion of the mind. So during those meetings, there was one time where there was a woman sitting on the front row, and I looked at her and I just had an understanding of a number of issues that were in play in her life and that she'd been very challenged, she'd been struggling in her marriage, she had been wrestling with God. I wouldn't say she was ready to walk away, but she'd been wrestling with God over a number of things that had gone unanswered, whether there were prayers that were unanswered, or questions she'd put before the Lord that were unanswered. So I walked over to her, put my hands on her,

and I said, the Lord has shown me that these things are going on in your mind and your heart, in your own walk with him. And she just started crying, and I said, these things are so, correct? Yes. and so she started to kind of buckle under the weight of what was being revealed because, you know, when this happens, there's a kind of a profundity to it. God knows where I live. He knows my name. You know, he knows my phone number. I mean, he knows everything about me. And, you know, she was, as many would be, under the impression that whatever, God has abandoned me, God has forsaken me, God isn't going to answer my questions. And I was giving her answers to the very thing she had asked.

Right. Right. Which, I mean, look, that's just moving when you realize that, God knows you. I mean, that's an emotional thing. That's right. And so she, she kind of bent over and the power came more and more and more. And pretty quick, she just sort of, boom, landed on the floor face down, sprawled out. And so I knelt down next to her and her husband was there with her. So, you know, we're kind of all in this together. And I began, I continued to speak even more about the struggles that they'd been having. And I said some things about what was going on in their marriage. She was just undone. So anyway, I finished that out, and I got up to walk away, and the Lord says, wait, I have more. So I kneeled down again, and I give her another round of stuff.

She just, afterwards, she came up to me at the end of that meeting. She goes, I don't know how you could have possibly known all of that. That was unbelievable. And so, you know, but what God was doing, it was a prophetic release, but it was really speaking into those wounded memories, those old emotions, all of that damage she'd been carrying. And she received, I would say, substantial freedom from very crippling experiences. And she's moved beyond that now and is kind of figuring out, okay, what's the next step that I should take? Well, this is amazing stuff. I think it's, it's frustrating for me and for others when they hear this in some ways because you think, gosh, so I have to go to a meeting someplace with Ken Fish praying over me to get healing. Why can't God

just do that without my going to some meeting, you know? A lot of times he does, but I think one of our biggest problems in the West, and this is a huge problem, I mean, I really can't, I cannot overstate how big of a problem this is, is we do not spend enough time with God. And when I say that, what I mean is turn off your phone, turn off your tablet, turn off the television, get alone in a room or go to the park, but somewhere where no one's going to bug you and disturb you and concentrate on God's presence for, I'll start with something easy. I'll say 15 minutes, just 15 minutes of silence, you and God, and maybe grow that to 30 or

more minutes. But, you know, a lot of the people who function fluently in these things, they actually cultivate that presence. But look, we're in New York City. Everybody's in a rush. You've got to get on the subway. You're jostling, and people pray on the run. They pray while they're walking.

And they say, yeah, I'm spending time with God. No, not in the biblical sense. No, you are not. That is not what's going on. And for a lot of people, they say, why won't God answer me? And I want to say, dedicate yourself to one hour of prayer every day for a week where you do what I do. Well, I don't have an hour to give. Well, I don't know what to tell you then.

Because if it's really that important to you, you would do it. You'll spend an hour with your physical therapist or with your chiropractor. Why wouldn't you do it with the God of the universe? And yet many people don't have that discipline. And so we let the foundations of prayer become eroded. Well, I don't disagree with a syllable of that, but I think to try to understand it, it does seem to me that it is very difficult for many people, definitely for me. I can speak for myself, to understand how to do that effectively. In other words, I always find that when I'm praying with someone, I can focus. When I'm by myself, it's much harder for me to focus. It's very frustrating. Yep. That's right. It is for many people. And so I will tell people, if you're struggling to pray on your own, try praying through the Psalms. This is one of the great traditions of the church through the ages. All of the monks and mystics did it. I mean, you can pray through other scriptures too, but the Psalms in particular, they lift our souls to God and they often express the very sentiments we have in our hearts. And so even if we don't have language, when we read it, we're like, yeah, yeah, that one right there. With that says, is. Yeah. Yeah, what he said, right? Yeah, it gives you something to hang, hang your hat on.

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Hey there, folks. I'm talking to Ken Fish about a lot of stuff, Ken. We're talking about, I was asking about, you know, how it can be frustrating for people, the idea that they need to go to some meeting to have this happen. And you were really saying that if people spent more time in prayer, they're going to be. might experience these kinds of things on their own. Right. And I think, you know, that prayer is a very particular kind of prayer. It needs to be centered around the word of God. What kind of a prayer? What do you mean? Well, when I talk about praying, you don't just want to randomly pray any old thing. I mean, you could go down to the ashram and pray Hindu prayers, or you could go to the mosque and

pray Muslim prayers or, you know, whatever. You could go pray the rosary. I'm not talking about that. I don't think you really want to lump the rosary in with Hindu prayers, do you? Well, not necessarily, but what I'm really trying to say is there's prayer that is based in scripture, and there's prayer that's based in other things. But, you know, one of the things that God was speaking to me over and over again, while I was in Israel, you know, journeying to all these sites, and then we were having our ministry meetings in the evening, is, you know, we went to certain places where we know Jesus was there. These are known spots where he was present.

And one of the things that just over and over it was coming to me, various scriptures would come to mind that I've read through the years about Jesus praying. It might be Jesus was praying in a certain place out of Luke 11. Or early in the morning before it was light, Jesus rose and went out into the hills to pray. Or after he'd finished a meeting of healing people and preaching about the kingdom of God, He sent the disciples away in a boat, and he himself went into the hills to pray. And so we see over and over again that Jesus was really deeply a man of prayer, and he communed with the Father, and I think he drew power from that.

But it doesn't just stop there. You see that Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayer to pray when they heal the man at the gate beautiful. Obviously, God heals him through them. But the scripture says that, you know, they addressed him and he gets healed. And then we see Paul, and he talks about how he is always praying. He prays for the Ephesians that the eyes of their heart would be enlightened, that they would know the hope of their calling.

Or he talks about Epaphroditus, who's always wrestling in prayer for the congregation in Colossi. And so, you know, you see over and over and over again that these people that we consider to be, you know, the hallmarks, the gold standard of faith. We could say the giants of faith. Over and over, they are people who are praying, praying, praying. And yet in our time, I would say there is so much prayerlessness. And if you were to ask people, how much time do you spend a day in prayer? Not that we're trying to be legalistic about it, but the average person would tell you, you know, I'm too busy for that.

I've got to get on the subway. I got to, you know, get off to lunch. No, I just don't. It's not a thing in my world. Well, then reorder your priorities. And you might find that suddenly God. much more available to you. All righty then.

What else should we talk about? Have you seen any angels lately? No, but, well, actually, yes, in Israel we did. Really? Yeah, we had several times where we went to places, and not only me, but we had a number of people who simultaneously saw them at various sites that we visited. I like to say Israel, the whole country, is a thin place. That's a term from the Irish monks.

Yeah. A thin place is where, you know, heaven seems particularly near. Right. And so... Maybe it's the Axis Mundi. I think it could be. Yeah, it could be. I actually think it probably is.

Well, the Jews teach that the world was created from Mount Moriah, and everything kind of emanates outward from there. So, might be right. Wouldn't you like to find that kind of stuff out? Like when, let's say the Big Bang happened, where did it start? Like, there was a place. Actually, I don't actually wait. Is that true? No, maybe not.

Well, there was no space, right? So, never mind. But the, well, these are just kind of things that, you know, a lot of them have answers and maybe we'll get them when we get to glory. But it is interesting to speculate on these things. And but so going back to Israel, you said you had a number of friends seeing angels and what, what any, details beyond that? Well, one of them happened at Mount Carmel where Elijah called down fire from heaven. And as you would expect, there's a church that's been built there commemorating this event. And I've been to Mount Carmel several times, and there's a, you can go up on top and, you know,

get a view of the whole surrounding countryside all the way to the Mediterranean. You can see out to Jesreal. And it's a, Mount Carmel is actually a long ridge of hills, but it sort of slopes up as you move north. And as you get to the summit, that's the, there's a particular word for it. That site is the site where it is believed that fire came down from heaven. So there's a church that's been built there to commemorate that event. And I've never seen that church open in all the times I've been there before. Just, I don't know why. Maybe just randomness, but it was open on this trip. Budget cuts. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, we walk into the church with the whole team. and we're all standing there, and I look up and I see a fairly large angel standing just to the, as I viewed the altar, it was just to the right side of the altar.

Okay. And, you know, when I talk about seeing in the spirit, I often talk about this thing that I call grayscale, is it? Hang on a second. We're going to go to a break. We'll be right back. Do not go away. Why would you? Change your mind.

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angel in this church on Mount Carmel. And you were talking about grayscale, what were you going to say? Yeah. So, you know, when I teach on this matter of seeing in the spirit, I think one of the things that often confuses people is they think that they need to see at the same way that, for example, you and I are seeing each other. So as I look at you, I can't see what's beyond you because you block what's behind you. Because I'm an opaque individual.

In this case, yes. And so I'm seeing you at what I would call 100% gray scale. And this is the language that graphic artists use, whereas the air between us, for all practical purposes, is at 0% gray scale. Now, someone's going to say, well, it's actually more like 1% or 2% because at gray distance air becomes somewhat cloudy and you can't see it doesn't transmit light. Fair enough. But at this range, it's close enough for what we're talking about. So 0% is transmission and it's transparent. 100% is opaque.

most of the time when people are seeing in the spirit, they might be functioning on the low end at kind of 5%. I think below 5% it becomes very difficult to perceive much and maybe up to, oh, let's say, 25% gray scale. If you move beyond that, things become more and more clear and opaque and well-defined. That's the way it usually works. So one of the things that causes people to miss a lot of times is they don't understand that what they may be seeing is really the word from the scriptures is they see the similitude of something, and it is exactly because they're not seeing it 100% grayscale. So I looked up and I see this large angel, but it was at a very low gray scale level, I would say 5 to 10%. So I could clearly see the outline, and I could see a bit of a shadow behind the angel, and I could see some of the features, but it was, shall we say, translucent, as opposed to transparent. And so I said to the team, we were all in this little church, this chapel, I said, who sees the angel there just standing to the right of the center line of the altar?

I said, and there was like some sort of a ledge or a cornice inside the church. I said, he's about his talking. tall as the cornice. His head is just about that high, which would have made him, I don't know, call it 14 feet high, 13 feet high, something like that. I said, who sees that? And a couple people said, now that you say it, I see it. So for everyone else, I went around and I laid my hands on them. And, you know, there's this story in Two Kings chapter, is it five or six, where Alicia the prophet is surrounded by the army of Aram, and they're trying to capture him because he's been giving prophetic words to the king of Israel and protecting him from the army of Iran. And so they want to get rid of this intelligence. And they get up in the morning and

Alicia's servant is freaked out. He goes, ah, the army's out there. What are we going to do? And Alicia says, greater are those who are with us than those who are arrayed against us? And then he says to the Lord, Lord, open my servant's eyes that he may see. And so now the servant also sees the chariots and horses of fire, which were there all along, but which he was not perceiving at that time. So I just went around very quickly, and I laid my hands on my teammates who were traveling with me. It didn't happen for all of them, but for a number of them, their eyes were opened. And as I went along, I just said, Lord, let them see what I'm seeing. Let them see what I'm seeing. Let them see what I'm seeing. And so a number of them,

their eyes were opened, and they saw that angel standing there, but not everybody did. Right. And so that would be an example of a, now that was in Israel, and it was about three weeks ago. So not ultra-recent, but reasonably recent. Now, just prior to going to Israel, I'd done a conference in Nashville, Tennessee, with a couple of friends of mine who are, you know, known for being prophetic. And on Saturday night, kind of at the sort of high point of the event, the Lord was moving very powerfully. And that church has a very elegant old organ from the 18th. hundred's pipe organ. And I happened to look up and I saw an angel above the pipes of the organ. And I went over to the pastor and I said, look, I don't want to interrupt what's going on here in terms of ministry, but just FYI, there's an angel up there. And he says, there is. And I said, yeah, he goes, you need to share that. And I said, well, do you really want me to? I said, I don't want to disrupt the flow of what's that. And no, no, no, you don't need to talk about that. So he hands me the microphone. And I said, well, you know, I don't want to, I don't want a grandstand here.

and I don't want to make more of this than we need to. I think we want to stay on what God is doing. But for those who are seeing, there's an angel up there above the pipes of the organ. Does anyone see that? A couple of hands went up. Well, afterward, the guy who runs sound and light in that church came up to me. And he goes, did you know that there are angels on the tower, the belfry of our church? Now, this is an older church.

It was built, I think, construction started during the Civil War. It was finished after the war. So it's, you know, mid-1800s kind of church. So think of that kind of architecture and so forth. He says there's, I said, I've never paid any attention to that when I've come here before. So he means carved angels. Yeah, carved stone angels in the, in the frie is, in the facade of the church. And he goes, look, and he shows me a picture.

And I said, well, that's exactly what I saw. And this angel that I'd seen had a long trumpet. Well, all of these angels on the outside of the church, we're holding trumpets like this. And so I said to the pastor of the church, I believe the angel of this church has returned. And so something is going to start emanating out of here. Now, this language, of course, is actually scriptural. Because in the book of Revelation, to the angel of the church of, whether it's Sardis or Pergamum or Ephesus or Laodice or wherever, you know, write these things, right to the angel of the church.

And a lot of commentators have said, well, this is just really referring to the church. to the overseer of the church, the bishop or the pastor. But that's not the word that's used in Greek. It's Anglos. It's the messenger, but it's the angelic guardian of that church. And so I believe what I saw there in Nashville just prior to heading to Israel was the angelic guardian of that church. And what do you know? It looked just like the angels on the outside of the church.

But I had never paid any attention to what was outside. That's confusing. In other words, why would they carve these angels? you know, in the 1860s, that end up looking like the actual angel. I don't get that. Well, it may have been that God inspired the imagination, in quotes, of the craftsman. Yeah, okay. Sometimes people see something in their mind's eye, right?

Okay, that's interesting. Very interesting. We'll be right back with Ken Fish. Hey there, folks, talking to Ken Fish. Ken, just a few minutes left. You just said that this is a Gilgal moment. What the heck? What?

What does that mean? In the book of Joshua chapter 5, as the children of Israel are crossing the Jordan River, it says that because the people of Israel had not entered into the promised land 40 years earlier when God had told them to enter, they'd chickened out and wanted to go back to Egypt. It says that all of the people who had who had, who had. been born and been raised in the wilderness during that 40-year period. It says they were uncircised. And so Joshua has, I mean, sounds kind of weird, but a mass circumcision at Gilgall.

Sounds like a fun time. Oh, yeah, a great time. And so it says that the children of Israel stayed there until they were healed. Yeah. So they would be able to move around and fight and do what they had to do. Yeah, yeah. So the thing that's interesting is it says that they crossed over on the very day 40 years after they had exited Egypt. It was Passover to Passover.

And so I believe we're in a Gilgall season, and that season is defined by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit that came through a prophet named Lonnie Frisbee on Mother's Day in 1980. Well, here we are in 2020, so we're 40 years down the road. And there's all kinds of reasons why I think Lonnie is significant, which we don't have time to go into with this segment. But I'll just say he was a very significant figure, and he released the power of the Holy Spirit over the Jesus people revival. About 9 million people came to faith globally as a result of that move of God, which occurred in the 70s. But in 1980, the Lord sent him to the Vineyard Movement, and from there, that kind of dynamic of the spirit began to spread through many different movements of God. We could think about Toronto. We can think about Randy Clark's ministry. We can think about Bethel. Of course,

the vineyard was the epicenter of it all at the front end. So there's many different movements and streams that have been touched. But that all began on Mother's Day, 1980. And we're in 2020, 40 years later. And I was meditating on this late in 2019 and, you know, the very first part of 2020. and it seems to me that we are in a Gilgall moment where it's time to re-circumcise the hearts of God's people, not their bodies. But the scripture speaks also of how circumcision is meant to be a sign of circumcising your hearts towards God. This is a time for us to, there's a lot of ways you can say this, many metaphors, have a new reformation, but get serious about the Lord, become intentional about our walk with God.

All of this is going on, and I think this is a year of that kind of turning. so that the people of God are now re-inducted into the covenant that God made with them. And with that, they are ready for the challenges and conflicts which lie ahead. All right. Wow. We're out of time in this hour. Maybe we'll get to do a couple more segments. But for now, we're going to have to quit. Now, your website, I want people to go there because there's so much stuff there, is kingdomfire ministries.org. Does it list your schedule, like, where you're going to be in the next six months? Yep, we have my forward travel schedule. We've got a store where some of my teachings are available.

We have some free resources available. The website is undergoing some renovation, and we'll soon have a brand new look and feel to it. And a brand new name. And a brand new name. But I don't want to confuse people because if we will. Well, just in case they're listening to this in 2021, the brand new name is orbis ministries. Dot org.org. That's right.

or B-I-S-Orbis Ministries.org. Right now it's kingdomfire ministries.org. Ken, thanks for hanging out. Fun to talk to you, my friend. Always great to be here, Eric. Thanks for having you.