The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Harrison (Continued)

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Faith, Love, and Courage as Christian Callings

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Northern Sudan. Sudan as a country kind of stopped existing a few years ago, largely due to the efforts of John Ibner from Christian Solidarity International, who really drew attention to the Civil War and got the Bush administration and the Tony Blair administration and a few others to get involved and to say, hey, we need to end the Civil War. Sadly, when the world got involved, they brought the two sides together, settled, made peace. That's how South Sudan came into existence. But nobody did anything about the slaves.

And so while they're all patting each other on the back saying, hey, look, what a great job we did. Meanwhile, there were 185,000 South Sudanese that had been taken captive by Arab jihadists in the north, and none of them were released via the agreement to bring an end to the Civil War. So what CSI has been doing diligently, these many years, is sending essentially underground railroad stop runners to the north to find where the slaves are, to negotiate their freedom, to negotiate. to negotiate their release and to bring them home to where they need to be. And this is an amazing work. These people, largely women, have gone through excruciating life events while they've been in captivity. And if we went through the list, some of them would be so difficult.

I would have a hard time being able to describe them on our airwaves. But the truth is they've been brutally, systematically abused in every form of life, emotionally, physically, sexually, sexually, they've been starved. They've been told that they've been verbally accosted with a language and a descriptor of an animal that's so profane that we don't even have an English equivalent when you try to translate it. But they have been, they have received this treatment. every day in captivity. And some of them taken when they were five, six years old as little girls.

And some of them are now in their 20s and 30s, having been kept in captivity 15, 20, 25 years in some instances. And it's what CSI is doing. No one else is doing. So it's your listeners on your show, Eric. It's my listeners on my show. And a handful of other people across the country that have come together and said, we're going to do something about this. Thankfully, praise God, over the years, that number of 185,000. has been reduced to what we think is now around 35 to 40,000.

But that means that there are still a lot of women in captivity. Some of them have had children. Praise God, the last couple of years, CSI has actually been able to negotiate the children's release in some instances as well. The slave masters have never been open to that in the past. They are now opening up to that concept. And so we're seeing even some moms and children being reunited. but it is it is an amazing work that nobody else is doing and unless we talk about it, nobody will even know.

That's why what we're doing is so important. Well, that is why, ladies and gentlemen, I exhort you to join us in this. It's exciting that we get to do this, that we get to free slaves. And it's difficult to think that there are people enslaved. But it's more difficult to think that you could do something about it and wouldn't do something about it. The only question is what you might do about it, but something. You've got to do something. So the website is metaxistalk.com. I'm talking right now. I am metaxis. Metaxistalks talk.com. You'll see it. Just dropping your first name now. It's just right at the top of the

the webpage there. Metaxistalks talk.com. You'll see the banner. You click on the banner and it will lead you to the links. Now, this is God's work. Let's be clear. We get to participate in God's work. God is against slavery, and he has used Christians in particular through the centuries to stand against slavery. So the fact that we have to do it now is horrifying, but the fact that we get to do it now is wonderful. And so jump on this, folks. Metaxis talk.com is the website. Right at the top of the page, you'll see the link. And you can give monthly, I say this to people that, you know, maybe as a family, you want to say, well, what do you say, kids? We're going to give $25 a month.

That adds up to more than $250 a year, which means that at the end of the year, you freed a slave. Every $250, according to CSI, frees a slave and sets them up in a life of, freedom. They don't just free them. They free them, which is the most difficult thing, but then they go the extra mile and they set them up in a life of freedom, which Kevin can talk about. But I want to give the phone number. I haven't given the update. As of today, May 8th, Thursday, we have raised on this program $4,000, which is 16 slaves will be freed as a result of those. those of you who have given. So those of you who have given, God bless you, thank you for doing that. But we have a long way to go. The goal is to free a hundred slaves. Obviously, we'd like to free

a thousand slaves. But our goal is 100. We have so far as of today, 16. So whatever you can do, every $250, frees a slave, sets them up in a life of freedom. Some of you can do many multiples of that. Suzanne and I will give generously, but we need everybody to step up because this is something that you can't leave it to somebody else. Everybody has an opportunity to step up at whatever level you want to, whatever it is, even if it's a small level, please give something. So the website to metaxis talk.com, you'll see the banner at the top of the page. The number, the phone number, some of you would prefer to call. And I would ask you to call as soon as we come up to the break here.

but the phone number, please write it down if you would like. 888-253-3522. 888-253-3522. 8-88-253-3522. Before we get back to more news of the day with our friend Kevin McCullough, Kevin, I wanted you to talk a little bit about how C-S-Eas-E-S. CSI sets these folks up in a life of freedom because that is really, it's amazing that CSI has been doing this for a long of life. It's the secret sauce to giving these people a life that they've never had. And you were mentioning how families should do this together.

Our family took a significant step forward during COVID because I was going to DSI on the air. And my kids overheard me doing the show from the house. And they came in and they said, Dad, what are we doing about that? I said, well, we've freed a slave this year. And they said, no, we've got to do more than that. And so imperfectly, and I'm not saying we're 100% on this, but as best as we can, we ask God to try to help us be able to free one slave every month in the McCullough household. And if somebody would join us in that effort here on the Metaxus show, you're going to bless 12 human beings with brand new lives. But let me tell you how that happens.

You talked about the $250. A very small portion of that is what is needed to secure the vaccine that is actually the bartering tool to get the slave released. They barter the life of their cattle for the life of a human being, and the vaccine is something that CSI can provide. It helps keep the cattle healthy. The rest of that $250 is 99% used for their relocation and starting a brand new life. And what we're talking about is a wide array of services and needs.

First of all, when they're released, they get back to the border of South Sudan, and there's a recovery camp that they go to where they are allowed to just talk and tell their story. They're allowed to talk with counselors. They're allowed to get medical attention. Many of these people have been maimed and butchered in ways that have left permanent health marks on them. And so there's medical needs, there's psychological needs. Those things are all offered to them at the camp.

They're allowed to spend as many days there as they need to kind of get nutritionally built up. Some of them have not eaten consistently. everything they need to, you know, kind of live that life. They've got tarps and other things that help keep them protected from the weather, blankets for the cold. It's a brand new life. Please, 888-253-3522. 888-253-2522.

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We need your help. Thank you. I think a lot of people have bad theology where they think, okay, I got saved. I believe in Jesus. I'm done. It's like, no, no, no, no. You just crossed the starting line. Now you get to become who God wants you.

He wants to mold you. And that's what you're talking about. Yeah. Can we got my story down and we got 15 minutes or so? I want to have, I think, let's take this and make it real. Yeah. Promise Keeps for seven years and COVID and, you know, 18T Stadium and just all kinds of difficulties. Yeah.

But we have such awful theology in our church today, right? The evangelical church is a mess. And one of the biggest reasons we're best is what you just said. said, Christians think, whether they mouth it or not, that I said a magic prayer. Jesus coming to my heart, I want to forgive me in my sins, and then they go, okay, now I'm going to heaven. Now I have nothing left to do except, oh, I guess while I'm still on this earth, I guess I can evangelize, but like that's it.

You have no idea, Ken, it's kind of funny, but this has been, I've been talking about this nonstop for the last three years, like what you just, what we're talking about. I hear you. Because you wrote that excellent book, the letter to the letter to the letter of the Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. And so this issue has become front and center for me. So it's interesting that this is where you're, what you're thinking about. So we think, we said the prayer, I got mine, I'm going to heaven.

And if I do some nice stuff for Jesus, well, then aren't I a nice guy? But he loves me. I don't need to do too much because that would be works righteousness. So I look at Ananias and Safara. they come in and they lie and God strikes them both dead. I look at Paul writing in, I think it's Second Corinthians. No, it's First Corinthians, where he says, you know, a lot of you guys are taking the Lord's supper in vain, like you have sin in your heart.

So many of you are getting sick and dying. Why? Because you were taking Lord's supper. I look at Revelation 2, and Jesus is talking to the church of Thyatira. And he says, I have this against you. You've accepted the teaching of that woman, Jezebel. So I will throw her on a bed of suffering. and I will kill her children with disease, by the way.

So her children, her disciples, the one, wait a minute. Jesus is saying Christians, he's killing them because they're an abject sin, sexual sin, he says, and eating food at sacrifice to idols. And then I go to 1st Corinthians chapter 5 and it says, if you have somebody who's a gossip, a slanderer, who's greedy, who's sexually immoral, a murderer, don't even eat with such people. I'm not talking about unbelievers because you'd have to leave the earth. I'm talking about people who claim to be Christians. So how do we reconcile that with the modern, friendly, seeker-friendly church today? Well, we just have an open relationship. And everybody's spoken.

Well, if somebody is comfortable in your church who's in abject sin, then your church is evil. It's evil. Because it's not that we don't accept people. We accept the repentant. But if you can come to my church and hear my preaching for a year and you're in abjected sin and you don't feel convicted, then what, what am I doing? I'm just so with you on this. Did we get off on this?

Should we talk about this more? Or maybe we can come back to this. What we should talk about. Well, I want to talk to you about this, but I want to, well, no, we should talk about this because it's at the heart of, you know, where things are now in the nation, in the church. And I think my definition of the church has changed radically. I often say God does his best work outside the church.

You notice this over and over in history and whatever. And that even when you see revival, like George Whitfield is the classic example. Jesus is the classic example, but they see George Whitfield. They always do stuff and the church hates them. The religious leaders hate them. They despise George Whitfield. You know, that's just one example. The greatest preacher of...

And it's... The greatest evangelist in the history of the world. I often say he makes St. Paul and Billy Graham look like lazy agnostic. Basically. Like, it's so far... I'm joking, but it's like crazy. So it's interesting. But it's interesting that you're seeing this and this is a big issue for you at this point.

That's the issue. It's the issue. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about your book... Both of your books on manhood because this... What we're talking about here comes out of that issue or both issues feed into each other. The issue of courage, the issue of self-sacrificial, agape love, courage, you know, self-control. Self-control. For me, a big one is character.

Like, we don't talk about character anymore. What happened to character is that we don't talk about it's like a grace. It's like, no, it's not all about grace. It's like, if there's real grace, then you will see character. You will see, that's the response. if you actually believe, then your response will be, I want to be, God, what do you want me to be? What do you want me to get rid of? How do you want, you know, I want God to shape my soul.

And you don't hear about character. But what I find interesting is people outside the church are beginning to get this stuff better than a lot of people inside the church, which actually gives me hope for the culture. Yeah, the question is always, what's the church? That's, there you go. Right. I actually have stumped a lot of theologians with this, as you can imagine. Well, you know.

I know a lot of these famous conclusions. And I have said, is the church, the bride of Christ? Well, yeah, the Bible says it is. The whole church? Well, yeah, really? Yeah. It says the whole church is the body of Christ. But it never says the whole church is the bride of Christ.

This is important. People are like, why are you going with this? If, how does a man marry his own body? Well, do we have any examples of this? Well, actually, yes. Jesus is what? He's the second Adam. Where did the first Adam's body come?

A bride come from. A remnant of his body. And I suggest to you that what the Bible, I think, makes pretty clear is that the whole church is not the bride of Christ. The bride of Christ is going to come from a remnant of his body. This is getting way too heavy. Let's keep it simple. Let's talk about car chases. No, that is very heavy.

I've never heard that before. And I feel like I've heard of everything. I haven't heard of that. That's really interesting. It's provocative. I'm not sure I accept it. I'm pretty sure I accept it, but I'm not 100% sure I accept it. But what an interesting concept.

So let me back it up with a little bit of stuff. Go ahead. Jesus says over and over again, if you persevere, if you persevere, you will reign with me. Well, he didn't say if for no reason. Only if we persevere will we reign with him. He says to the church. And again, in Revelation 2, he's writing, talking a letter. By the way, Paul or John, on Patmos.

He sees Jesus, and what does he do? He falls the ground as if he's dead. He sees Jesus in his resurrected state, and at one side of him, the man who walked with him for three years, who has the nerve to call himself, the disciple whom Jesus loved, feints as if dead. That's how terrifying Jesus is to even the most godly man ever. So all these wax jobs who say they saw God and they were talking to him, well, I'll look, I'll show you how John reacted and go, the fact you think you would react differently than John? but that's an aside Jesus then writes these letters and he says

if you persevere to the victor over and over again to the victor I will pull him up onto my throne at my father's right hand what does that mean he'll reign with me

so then we go to Revelation 2021-22 the bride marries the groom Christ and what happens and the bride and the groom go to the New Jerusalem to reign

well Jesus is all these ifs. You ain't reigning with me unless you've persevered, unless you're a victor. So it goes to, obviously, not everyone then in logic would be in Christ. Rained with him. But are they in heaven? That's the other great question that I've stumped people with. Now we get really deep.

I've asked how many theologians do all Christians go to heaven? Of course they do. Well, tell me what, show me where? Well, God so love the world that gave his only son. Who will believe in him will not perish for every turn in life? Cool. Where does it say heaven? I see eternal life. If you confess with your mouth, the Lord Jesus Christ and believe your heart, you will be saved. Great. Where does it say heaven? Well, most people would say it's implied. In other words, if you have eternal life,

if you go into the presence of the Lord and live with, and it is if you have eternal life, that is heaven, right? So it's interesting. So eternal life is used two different ways in scripture. Every time eternal life is used in the present, it means not condemned. every time it's using the future, it's something that you earn. And I'm going to encourage you and everybody out there to go out and read. That you earn. Sounds like works righteousness. I'm suspicious.

Absolutely. I'm suspicious. No, it's so this has been big for me. So I was kind of finding. Let me just make this clear. Read Romans chapter 2. Yeah. Paul says, if, if, if, you will get eternal life.

Yeah. Only if. Yeah. Does that mean, I guess what I keep saying, and I'm interested in, what you think, this is not what I think, but just to get your reaction, I keep saying, and this is, you know, this Bonhofer says it, cheap grace, if you just say, oh, I believe, I believe, if you reduce belief to some theological, intellectual assent to certain doctrines, right, you believe this, this, this, this, okay, you're in. That's not biblical faith. That's kind of like an

enlightenment, rationalist parody of actual faith. Because if you trust in the Lord with your heart, genuinely, you're going to live radically differently. There's no way you can't live differently. And so it's not about what you do that earns heaven, but the point is if you actually believe you have to live differently. And so if you see people who aren't living differently, they say, well, then they may say they believe, but obviously they don't.

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If I believe in gravity, you're going to know by my life that I agree, I believe in gravity. Because you'll notice that when I get up to the top of this building that we're in, I don't jump off. Right. So, oh, I can see that Harrison through his actions believes in gravity. Yeah.

If I just go walking off the building, and clearly I don't really believe in gravity. Well, that's the kind of truth that Christ is talking about. What is faith? What is belief? You would see it in my life, right? If the epitome of Christianity is love, what does love mean? The best definition I have is it means wanting the best for others. If I really love you, I'm going to think, and what can I do to make your life better, right?

Right. So many people say, well, I love you. So let me take from you and have a transactional relationship. Bishop of the Eve. No, it's, what can I do? Because I want the best for you, right? But back to my point on heaven, I'm not saying all Christians don't go to heaven. I'm just saying, where is it saying in the Bible that they'll go to heaven? Okay? I want to make that clear. Because we think like Greeks when we should think like Jews. That's true. And that's when I talk about enlightenment rationalism, that's, you know, being Greek, you know, I don't, What we mean, we mean a particular kind of thinking that is, it's really not holistic.

It's very rationalistic as opposed to holistic. So the Hebrew concept of faith is to trust in the Lord with your whole being as opposed to irrationally, I assent to some propositions. And the Greeks, if you look at Plutarch and Aristotle, those guys, they went to black and white. Whereas we as Christians really, if we really understand the script, you and I were talking about this in the cafe earlier, you and I are both not interested in picking fights over doctrine because it's just why, right? We want to know doctrine because we want to know the nature of our father. Well, in this sense then, we come up with heaven. But what does heaven mean?

Because there is a heaven now. We know the devil lived in heaven. Like Jesus said, I saw him cast out of heaven, right? here he is in heaven and Job. Where were you? Not a devil. I was walking to and fro across the earth. Now I'm up here to report to you. So there will be a new Jerusalem.

In the new Jerusalem, it's talking about the saints. And I would argue it's those who have fully given their lives to the Lord. They're sanctified. They're holy. And they have salvation is by grace alone. We talked about by faith by grace alone. After that, you're now saved. You're now in the family.

What did you do with it? Right? how we'll be judged based on what we do with our salvation. It says, they're in the New Jerusalem. All the kings of the earth will come and trade. Well, who are they? Who are these people who are not living in the New Jerusalem? There's somebody.

So I suggest logically, I come to the conclusion. These are the Christians who were carnal who didn't fully embrace him. Why do I come to that conclusion? Because Jesus says the Church of Philadelphia, because of all these great things you've done, you will be a pillar in the temple of my father and you will never depart. What's that mean? It means you're always going to be in the direct presence of the father.

Where is the direct presence of the father in the new Jerusalem? Well, again, Jesus doesn't make promises for no reason. So if he's promising certain godly people that you'll always be there, that means that other people won't. Will not. This is complicated. I wish we had a chalkboard. I want to get something.

It's not something you find in your usual theological book today. Well, I mean, this is what's interesting to, and I talk about this a lot. there's a lot of mystery. And we want to be okay with that. And we can know what we can know, and we should want to know what we can know. But there's certain things we can't quite know. And you have to say there's a mystery there.

It doesn't mean you don't care, but it just means there's a mystery. And so what you're talking about, a lot of times Christians who are theologically hidebound, they don't even want to get near anything that's confusing or they want to have it all figured out. And sometimes I think the Lord says, well, you can't figure it all out.

There's certain things that are just like what we've been talking about here. There's a mystery. You can speculate. And, you know, well, we have maybe 10 or 20 minutes left. And I want to make sure we talk about everything you want to talk about. Should we talk a little bit about manhood and courage as you lay out in your two books.

Yeah. Because it's related to everything else we've been talking about. It sure is. Let's put a bow on that last statement. I love what you just said. Paul says we see now through a class dimly, right? There is no reason to argue about theology. If you and I wanted to have a debate on whether you could lose your salvation or not,

I could take either side and argue either side. Right. So how about not arguing about either more? I happen to believe you can't. Right. John Bevere is a good for you. friend, he believes you that you can. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So let's not argue about stuff, but also why, why talk about this? Two reasons. Number one, we're to encourage each other in the faith.

And I think what is not in doubt is are we going, there are crowns that we can earn, places we can earn in heaven with the Lord based on what we do after we're saved. That's clear. Right there, I'm just saying I can, I can hear people shrieking. I don't. Because to them, it is binary. You either go to hell or you go to heaven. That's that. and they had this egalitarian view. And somehow that's not right. Somehow the scriptures you've been quoted, you just realize, well, you know,

that can't be quite right. Jesus says don't let anybody take away your crown. What does that mean? It means I want to guard my crowns for some reason. Anyway, so daring faith in a cowardly world, people can get a more articulate. I lay that out particularly. The title is?

A daring faith in a cowardly world. A daring faith in a cowardly world. I have been talking a lot, because of my two most recent books about that issue of courage being at the heart, no pun intended, really, because courage means heart of everything. In other words, if you are a Christian, courage is not extra credit. Hey, folks, you listen to the Eric Mattaxas show. Today, we're playing a special Socrates in the city conversation.

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Thank you. To be people of utter courage, we don't talk about that as much as we should by far. I mean, it's just interesting to me. So you wrote a whole book on it. But the cowards, adulterers, the sexually immoral murderers, sorcerers, I'm missing a couple, and all liars. Their place will be in the fire

that burns forever, amen. Oops. And we don't, and I would suggest to you, if the cowards is, and that's what it says, there are going to be a whole lot of pastors there are going to be in that fire. I'm sorry to agree. It is the measure of,

we talked about it earlier again in the cafe. I often say you can judge a man by his friends, and I say you can judge a man by his enemies, who hates you and why. You have some enemies. Why do you have enemies? Because they're cowards. Because when you stood up for Trump the way you did,

you had people turn on you or mostly abandon you. Run for cover. Don't stain me when the blood splatters. Right? I'm over here nice and clean because I want to. And who does God love? You know, Hebrews chapter 11. Hebrew is one of my favorite books about it.

Very hard to understand for most people, especially Hebrews 10. I'd try that one on for size. when God says, my righteous one will live by faith, and if he draws back, I have no pleasure in him. Ooh. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of living God.

It says, ooh, right, talking about people in abject sin. Hebrews 11 is the Hall of Faith. And it's the most jacked-up group of people. Like, Jefftha, really? The dude killed his daughter, right? Yeah. What is it that they all have in common?

None of these people ever ran away from a fight. That's what they have in common. These are all people who are jacked up and screwed up, but when the time of testing came, these people stood up and said, I'm with the Lord. What does it mean to be close to the Lord? King David was a man for God's own heart.

Well, we all know his false. I mean, what he did with Bathsheba and then killing your eye was bad, but look what he did abandoning his daughter tomorrow after she got raped. I mean, David, so what is it? He never backed down from a fight. when the fight came, there he was representing the Lord. So what is it that we want to be? And this is where we get into this manhood thing.

What is courage? It's not being afraid. Lots of people are afraid. It's being afraid and doing the right thing anyway. That's what courage is. What I keep saying is I think that if you have real faith, and that is if you know who God is, you automatically act with courage

because the alternative is insanity. You know? So it's not like you have to be pumped up. You just, you're reacting to what you know is real and true. You know it. It's not like, I hope, but you know. Well, so what's the title of your second book? Rise of the Servant Kings.

Rise of the Servant Kings. There's a beauty right there, I see it. Rise of the Servant Kings. Well, that gets at the heart of what it is to be a man, to love is to be a servant. I mean, Jesus lays that out. And in a world in which men have been so denigrated, it's, it's preposterous when you think about it, when you think about what what God asks us to do, to live sacrificially for

others, for our wives, our families, our nation, whatever it is. There's something so beautiful about that. I think most people intuitively get that. You don't need to be a Christian to understand that. If you, great wisdom spoken by Jack Nicholson, of course, because, you know, he was a great scholar. But in that movie, as good as it gets, remember he plays the racist, you know, homophobic using all the liberal words. There's this one line where he's a famous author. And the little girl looks at him and she says, how do you, are you able to capture what it means to be a woman so much in your writing?

And he looks at her and says, well, I just think of a man to remove all sense of accountability and responsibility. and she looks devastated and he walks out, right? But much truth is spoken in jest, not that. Yeah. But he is getting at the heart of what it means to be a man. Because what it means to be a man, what is it character-wise separates it? It's, I am responsible for everyone within my care.

So if I have a family, if I have a wife and I have two kids, that is completely on me. Now, I'm not to blame for everything, but I'm responsible for everything. So my wife may go off the deep end, but what kind of husband was I and did I really matter? So what it means to be a man is when things aren't going right, the first place I look is me. What am I doing? What did I do to make it not right and what am I going to do to fix it?

What it means to not be a man is to say, well, things are really bad and it's my dad's fault because my dad was mean. And I can tell you, I run in Promise Gievers, right now it's an evidence. epidemic. Nothing is anybody, any man's fault. It's always his dad, his coach, his wife. What he's saying is, I'm not a man. I'm not a man. So what does it mean? If you want to boil down because we don't have that much time left, being a man, it's self-control because we are physically stronger and the sexual thing is on us. You can't have sex with a man who doesn't want to, right, unless you feed him by a tiger or something. So self-control or physically

stronger and accountability. My kids, my wife, my marriage, not my fault, but it's my responsibility. I think that makes sense. It's huge. I mean, I told you earlier, I'm writing a book on the American Revolution, and I am astonished at

the character of George Washington. Dude, that guy, he's my hero. I've read, like, everything on George Washington there is, man. That guy... It's extraordinary. He's probably about as tall as you are. He was 6'4. Not quite. There's an argument on that.

Some people say six two. Some people say six two. Some people say six three. I'll go with six three. The point is he was, it for that time, huge. Also kind of graceful. Incredibly, yeah. Incredible athlete. But the biggest thing about him is, and this is the scriptural term, you know, meekness.

It's such a bad English word to talk about what the Greek, because it's strength bridled. It's like a power. horse under self-control. And he had astonishing self-control because he was a man of great passion. And so in some ways when we talk about this, I mean, obviously the ultimate is Jesus. But George Washington in many ways epitomizes this also as a warrior, willing to die, courage. You know, obviously he had faults. But it's just interesting when you talk about those things now, because of what I'm reading, I think, at George Washington. This has just been wonderful.

My highest compliment is to say that it's been fun. So Ken Harrison, thank you for what you do. Thank you for all that you do and all you've been talking about here. And thank you for Waterstone, which you didn't really get to say much about. But boy, oh boy, the work that you guys do, just tremendous. So thanks for being part of Socrates in the studio.

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