The Eric Metaxas Show - Ken Harrison (Encore)

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

The Chairman of Promise Keepers joins to discuss what it means to be a man in a world that discourages masculinity. 

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is because we're living in a time of lunacy. I believe that's the, in the original Greek, the word is lunacy. And I think I have to, on this program, reiterate over and over the basics, because we're living in a time of lunacy. And we have to understand that the Bible says that there are men and their women and that men are supposed to act like, are you ready, men,

and women are supposed to act like women. This is very basic. Don't be insulted by how basic it is because there are many people very confused by this. And I think we have to be all about reiterating the basics, not just in terms of sexuality. and that kind of thing, but about everything, because we're living in crazy times, and you have to understand that if you're living in crazy times, it's important to know that you're living in crazy times and to be a force against the crazy by simply reiterating what is sane

and right and good and true. So in our two today, I don't know which hour this is, we're talking to Ken Harrison. And I think, Chris, this has to be said. A couple of things. I mean, the term gaslighting has become so popular. because it's a level of lying that is so sick that you think you're going crazy. And I think we have to be aware of the fact that it's one thing, you know, for the President of States 30 or 40 years ago to say like, well, you know, we're doing great with the economy

when it's not so great. That's, you know, that's kind of a political lie or twisting or trying to shade things in your favor. and we're sort of used to that and we can kind of factor that out. We are now living in a new era where there is brazen lying. It's brazen demonic lying, promoting lies, breaking truth. It's Orwellian. It's Orwellian.

It literally has become Orwellian. It's Orwellian. It's demonic. It's bad. And so there are many issues where this is applicable. But one, it has to do. with the idea that suddenly the biological reality going back infinitely into the past about male and female, that suddenly somebody, I don't know who, decided, nah, not true anymore.

Now you can be non-binary or there's some kind. It's just absolute rank nonsense. And we have to be clear that it's nonsense, that it's insane. men are supposed to behave like men and women are supposed to behave like women. And yes, even though some things change around the edges in terms of the culture or whatever, the basics have always been the basics. And so you have to reassert that. But listen, because God created reality, you know, you're playing against the house.

If you're playing some game and you say, well, we want to change this. You're not going to get very far, ladies and gentlemen. you know, you're going to bump up against the harsh reality that we have chromosomes. Every single cell in your body screams out what it is that God made you a man or a woman. It's really basic stuff. So we have to reiterate the basics, and it's important that we do that on this program. We try to do that. We also have to reiterate the basics about what's happening in the country.

Lately, I was on Hugh Hewitt's show earlier today. And he said something about, now I love Hugh Hewitt, and I agree with him on most things, but we, we quibble around the edges because he said something about, how do we talk about Biden's dementia? And he was very civil, you know, in the way he said that. I thought, how do we talk about Biden? Are you kidding me? First of all, who cares that Biden has lost his mind? Has he been running the country? No. No. He hasn't been running the country. We know. that there are people in the shadows behind him actually running the country. And we have to say this because people pretend like it's not true. It's obvious that he has not been running the country as the head of the executive branch from the day that he stole the election and was installed in the White House. We know that there's some group around him, whether they're handlers or the degree of handling that's going on. Can anybody imagine that this guy is calling the shots the way any president would have in the past?

No, he's not. So the idea that, oh, now he's infirm, now we have to do so. What difference does it make? He was non-acompestmentist from day one. He was just out of it, whether out of it mentally or out of it in terms of out of the loop. He's just not doing it. So this is a thing that's suddenly not whole. I also have to, yeah, I mean, I have to interject.

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keepers, is doing something about this. We thought, let's get him on. Ken Harrison, welcome. I always love being on your show, man. Tell us what you're doing. What is this proclamation? What is, and who are you doing it with? So we got together with San Rodriguez, they are Bernard, Gene Gats, a bunch of great leaders,

and said, what do we do to explain to young men what it is to be a man and young women? Because, you know, Eric, when you and I were young, if I said, I collect a man, Eric, you knew what I meant by that. It was very clear. I didn't have to explain it. But to a lot of these younger guys, they have no idea to a lot of the younger women. So we thought, man, we have got. to get together and just put out basic biblical masculinity.

What does it mean? What does God expect a man to act like to counteract these lies of the world? And so these are people that I know, A.R. Bernard, San Rodriguez. So what are you doing about it? What is this, is it an initiative, a proclamation? What are we talking about? It's a proclamation. It's short.

Anybody can go to what makes a man. and sign the declaration. And here's what's interesting. I actually had one intellectual whom I greatly respect who and I are friends with this while. I won't say his name. But he said, Ken, this is so basic. It's not a new idea.

I said, of course. So I don't think you understand how far, you know, he's in his 80s, how far we've drifted. We need to explain the basics of what it means to be a man. And so what we said is, this is biblical, this is not opinion. Guys can get on there and sign the document. And what it's going to do is a couple things. First of all, it's going to just explain if you're a father or a mother and you want to give it to your son or your daughter and say, this is what a man is. Honey, if you're looking for a husband, this is what a man is.

Again, it's not opinion. You would read it and go, this is not rocket science, right? But also, we want to see who signs and who doesn't. And Eric, it's time for us to stop screwing around with ungodly pastors who are all about their egos and money and butts and pews and not. about God's word. It says in Isaiah 662, on whom will I find favor? On the one who is humble, who is submissive in spirit, and who trembles up my word. And there's a lot of people not trembling at his word. There's a lot of pastors out there who are trying to explain why the Bible doesn't say what it says. And so we want to say, who's going to sign this? And so if you're

looking for a new church, if you're moving to a new city, you can go on to what makes a man.org and say, well, which pastors will have them all listed? Who sign this? I'll be able to go to a map, click on Omaha, Nebraska, and go, which pastors in Omaha, Nebraska signed this document? And if not, why not? Well, what prominent pastors in the country, because I have no problem naming names because they're doing this publicly and their public figures, what prominent pastors are hedging their bets on this one? In other words, I want to talk about why they would hedge their bets. But who are we talking about?

Well, so we haven't, we're talking in generalities right now. Every pastor that we've approached on this has agreed to sign it. And it's been a small group, and it's been a group of people that we know in respect. So it's not surprising. So we won't know. We're going to launch this this week during the beginning of Pride Week. We want to launch this, not by accident. And then we're going to sit back and say who signed it.

We have a whole plan to go out to all these different pastors and say, would you sign this document? And I'll tell you what, the ones who refuse to sign it, we're going to make sure that's clear too. That's actually, Ken, that's really important. because there are a lot of people, I mean, let's break down what we're talking about here. Basic biblical truth at some point becomes uncomfortable. And we've been so utterly spoiled in America that we have never really gotten to the point where, oh, it differentiates me. So we've really lost our muscles. We've atrophied, basically.

And we thought, well, we can just kind of go along with the culture. And so if the culture is suddenly very pro-gagued. or pro confusion or pro whatever it is, we think, well, we don't want to rock that boat. It's our job to rock that boat because that is doing harm to our brothers and sisters. It's doing harm to children. It's confusing people. It is evil. So we're supposed to take a stand against this.

But there are many people that have made this cynical calculation, or maybe they just think they're being practical or prudent. In my book letter to the American Church, I talk about the idol of evangelism. They pretend as though, well, if I don't talk about this stuff, it'll draw people to Christ. And if they're drawn to Christ, then they'll magically get right on all this kind of stuff. That is nonsense. Jimmy Carter is a Christian. But it was clear in his presidency and afterward, he didn't get a lot of clarity on every single issue.

Sometimes pagans or people that are not born again or don't teach Sunday school, they get reality. they get clarity and so-called Christians don't. So that's a lie right there. We want to talk about this. What's that? We call some of those people Donald Trump. Well, this is what I'm trying to say is that if you are a quote-unquote Christian, it's kind of funny because when I gave my speech at the National Prayer Breakfast in 2012,

I wasn't, you know, trying to be prophetic or trying to be a wise acre. But I said clearly, if somebody says there. a Christian, keep in mind, that means absolutely nothing. It means nothing. You're going to see who's a Christian by how they live. And so anyone can say, Lord, Lord, but the Lord says, well, I know that just because you say that, just because you claim that you have that label. So there are all kinds of people that say, well, I'm a Christian, but if you're not living biblically, if you don't understand that that means X, Y, and Z, it becomes meaningless, basically. And so we still have this lie in many churches in America that we don't want to talk about

controversial stuff. We just want to bring people into the kingdom theoretically, because I don't know that you're bringing them into the kingdom. And so there are usually mega church pastors or want to be megachurch pastors that are avoiding these kinds of issues, as you said, to put rear ends in the pew. Somehow it's about church growth. It's like a business model. I mean, you have lived this far more than I have.

You have seen this. Talk a little bit about this. Well, yeah. I mean, I was a Los Angeles policeman. And so through all that Rodney King stuff. And I learned during that time that just because you're doing what's righteous and good and setting for justice doesn't mean you're going to be popular. The LAPD was a great learning ground for that.

And then I ran a huge business, as you know, and then I came in and rebrought up promise and I've gotten a lot of attacks both from the left and the right. You know, and we talked about this before. Your letter to the American Church was amazing. That book is a must read for anybody out there. And I'd written a letter, a book a little bit similar that you interviewed me on, called The Daring Faith in a Cowardly World about the Judgment Seed of Christ. And then I talk about the beatitudes.

This is Jesus and Matthew 5 saying, here is the recipe for holiness. He's only talking to his apostles. He's not talking to anybody else. Starts off with being blessed or the poor in spirit. That means you need to get to. to the point where you realize you bring nothing to the kingdom of God, except for the sin that nailed Jesus to the cross, as Jonathan Edwards said. It ends, though, once you've gone through all the steps of the beatitudes,

the last one is, blessed are you when people persecute you and say all kinds of evil things about you, rejoice, great as your reward in heaven. So the point is, if you don't have people who hate you because you're a godly man or woman, then you ain't doing it right. And that's the point. And this compromise with the world has got to stop. And the man or woman who stands with the Lord Jesus Christ and says, this far and no more, that's the person who's going to be greatly rewarded by him. We're going to start off with basic truth.

And look, these pastors, and you know this, Eric, they are masters at not taking a stand while taking a stand, right? Just mealy-mally-mallying and slamming around. And, again, I don't mean to be so critical, but I mean, there is the church, the bride of Christ, the people who love Jesus. and there is the institutional business of the church, the evangelical mechanism, as you talked about it. So we're going to start exposing some of these pastors. And I think there's no more basic than what is a man for crying how loud it ain't that hard. So what we've done is put in the proclamation.

But it's just funny, it's funny to me that, you know, yeah, you were a cop, right? And you know this. You know this. There are real men out there who understand the basics. If you ask them about the Bible, they know nothing. If you ask them about, you know, theology, they know nothing. But somehow, without going to Bible study, they understand basic stuff. So I have less and less respect for Bible study because people go to Bible study and they seem to learn nothing.

They don't learn that the most fundamental Christian value is you live out what the Bible says. You don't just learn it. You live it out. And so you have a lot of pagans so-called seeming to live out. seeming to live out biblical values in many ways that Christians don't. So we have a problem. It's why I wrote Letter of the American Church. Thank you for praising it.

And actually in the new book, the sequel, which is called Religionless Christianity, I talk about what we're talking about here is that I've seen it in the Catholic Church. I've seen it in the Eastern Orthodox, the Greek Orthodox Church. And we've seen it most horribly in the evangelical church, people leaders, Christian leaders, basically saying, you know what, we're going to drift along with the culture. We're going to maybe put a rainbow banner outside because we're all about inclusion, which is a lie from the pit of hell. You're not about inclusion.

You're about confusion. You're confusing people. And God's going to hold you accountable for that because it's a cynical calculation. Folks, I'm talking to Ken Harrison, Chairman of Promise Keepers. We'll be right back. Like a school boy. Hey, it's Mike Rowe with a new film in theaters starting June 27th. The film is called Something to Stand for, and it's a great way to celebrate the extraordinary Americans who made our nation the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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That's promo code Eric. 8009778305.57 promo code Eric or go to MyPillow.com and use promo code Eric. Welcome back talking to Ken Harrison, Chairman and Promise Keepers. There's a website up. I want to talk about it. There's a proclamation. The website is what makes a man.org. Folks, the idea that we're at a place in the culture where we have to declare what makes a man, you know, be a man. What does that mean? is astonishing. So Ken, talk about this proclamation and what you and Air Bernard, Sam Rodriguez, are putting out there.

Yeah, we want to make it really clear for everybody that this is what the Bible says, because really we have a biblical illiteracy, as you and I were just talking about in the last segment. A lot of people don't really know what's in Scripture. I was invited to this celebrity fishing trip a while back, and it was all well-known pastors and music guys and whatnot. And as we were sitting around the fire, it was about 20 men. There were three mid-20s famous singer guys, you know, in the Christian world. And as we were talking about scripture, they were like, what?

Huh? Really? So the three guys grabbed me and said, can we kind of go over here into a different fire? And the four of us just sat and I just taught them scripture. For three nights, they would seek me out. Hey, teach us more about the Bible. And I said, you know, I've got to tell you guys, you guys are remarkably ignorant. about what the Bible says.

And they said, well, the older men aren't teaching us. No one's teaching us the Bible. And I said, you know, you're right about that. The Bible says several times, older men teach the younger men. Older women teach the younger women. But also, you guys can read. I'm going to bet. Why aren't you reading scripture for yourselves?

But it was terrifying for me to see three young men who were well known in the church, who didn't know the first thing about what the Bible said. Like biblical basic truths were, wow, to them. This is what we're dealing with. And we need to get back to churches that serve the Lord. And I think, you know, COVID was a great exposure of this. Which communities were completely left in a terrible spot because the churches closed their doors? And which ones went on as if nothing ever happened?

I think that says a lot about your church. I think each person should ask themselves that if our church went away, would our community be devastated because the poor are being helped? Because God's word isn't going out of being preached? Or would it just have a yawn? People wouldn't even notice. And I would think most people probably is the second. We need to be people who are saying the body of Christ is active and alive and making an impact on the world.

This is why we're being controlled by. Well, you can't talk about politics, Eric. I mean, if you're a Christian, don't talk about politics. Sit there, be quiet, sit in your little pew. And that is not. What are we told to be warriors? Warriors for what? Warriors for the truth.

Because Satan is out to lying to people and snatching away the truth. And we are to stand boldly on God's word for the truth. All truth. There's a lot here. I just want to bring up again, we're talking about Pride Month. Pride Month to me is a joke. I want to be really clear. It is an offensive joke.

Even the idea that there's such a thing. Who decided that there's a Pride Month? I didn't decide. I didn't sign off on that. Most Americans didn't sign off on that. It's garbage propaganda being shoved down the throats of consumers. And feckless corporations go along with this. Why?

They have no value. they have no morals. I want to be real clear, folks. Corporations went along with Hitler and the Nazis to make a buck. Corporations created the gas to murder Jews because they thought, well, the government's giving me a contract. Corporations, unless they have godly leaders, they're pigs, they have no values. I want everybody to be really clear that we thought that they had American values, Christian values. many of them could not care less, which is why I will never set foot in a target ever again. These places have voted. They voted to say, we're going to do what we need to do to make a buck. We don't care about your children.

We don't care about your children. Well, if you don't care about our children, I'm going to drive a distance to a less wonderful store because I don't ever want to give a dime to someplace like a target. That's where we are in America, that these corporations don't. They've all gone along with this agenda. And I want to be clear because I'm talking to Ken Harrison, Chairman of Promise Keepers, to tell me that I'm supposed to celebrate something that goes dramatically against what the Bible says about men and women, about biblical sexuality.

I'm not going to do that. And I'm offended in America that you would try to get me to do that. So when people go along with this or act like, oh, it's somehow neutral, where somehow it's, no, it's not. It's not. When you tell me live and let live, we will live and let live. In America, you can go do your thing and I don't agree with it. It's America. But don't try to get me to celebrate what you're doing when I know that it is not God's will for you. I won't do that. And we need Christians to push back way harder on this. The Pride Month stuff is despicable. It's just absolutely nasty. And we need to push against it. And just a few years ago, when they decided to, like, roll this out, I really

just thought, this is, this is end time stuff. This is really sick. People are being bullied or they're, people are trying to bully others into going along with a lie. And we need to be real clear on God's view of sexuality. And yes, we love everybody, but we don't approve of all kinds of activity. We don't do that. Boy, there's, you and I always get each other fired up. It's my, your Greek blood and my Scottish blood coming together. And I'd said, I'd interject it a little bit on your other great book, I mean, many of them, but Bonhoffer, you talked about how the institutional church went along with the Nazis, and it took great, bold believers like Bonhoffer, who were willing to separate themselves.

It says in 1st Corinthians chapter 6, do not be deceived. This sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, homosexuals, slanderous people, alcoholics, greedy people, and thieves will not enter the kingdom of heaven. And so were many of you, but you've been washed, redeemed. You've been sanctified in the blood of our Lord Jesus. How's that sort of? Don't be deceived. When you talk about Pride Month, what is it that we're proud of?

We're proud of our sin. We're shaking our fist in God's face. And you think that we'll do that without judgment of the nation? And who is it who stands in the way? Who is it who will stand before the Lord and say, we'll stand with truth? It is believers, the true church of God. We're going to go to a break. What Makes a Man.org is the website.

We'll be right back. Welcome back. We're talking to our friend Ken Harrison, who's the chairman of promisekeepers, has put it a proclamation. You can check it out at what makes a man.org. So what is there? When we're talking about the basics of what makes a man, what do you get into there?

because you're looking for pastors to sign this. And folks, if your pastor doesn't sign it, you better get out of that church. We're living in a time of exposure that because of COVID and other things, those who are unwilling to really boldly live out their faith have been exposed. These churches and these church leaders have been exposed, and we need to take a stand. So what do people find at that website? So what they'll find is the basic proclamation. It's very simple.

It's, I think, 11 or 12 points. The first five are, this is what a human being is in creation. God created male and female, and he created them in the form of masculinity and femininity, and men are to be masculine and men are to be feminine. Again, this isn't, you know, my blowing philosophy or anything. And it's all scripture. Then the next point is, what does a man act like? What does it mean to act like a man in four points?

And then the next four points are, and what does God expect me to do? And I think a lot of people are really looking for basic truth like that. Who am I? What am I supposed to act like? And what does God want me to do? And we just lay them out, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Someone could memorize it. It's very simple. There is no reason why any person who is a Christian or claims to be a Christian wouldn't sign this. And frankly, sadly, Eric, I think if we released this in the Muslim church, they'd all rushed to the church, the Muslim whatever, they'd rush to sign it. I mean, it's that basic of logic and it all comes from God's word. As you said, if your pastor doesn't sign it, You need to say, why wouldn't you sign it? And if he still won't sign it, you're not in a real church. Well, we're at a time, I mean, listen, we should rejoice that we're in this time. We're in a time of, as we said, exposure and division. We're seeing with clarity who is willing to go along with the zeitgeist, the spirit of the age,

who is willing to go along with the world. Now, they often have, and this is what I write about in the book, Religinalist Christianity, my new book, they often have religious reasons. And when I say religious reasons, false reasons, but reasons that sound right because they use religious language, it's about inclusion. It's about loving the foreigner or loving this. Whatever garbage they use, it's not biblical, but they're trying to fool you with biblical words, just like Satan in the wilderness.

There's trying to deceive Jesus using scripture. You know, that's true wickedness. You're not being clear. You're trying to be confusing. And if somebody doesn't know the Bible, they can be easily confused. by this kind of thing. And so we're living at a time where, I mean, I have to say, I go around the country, and the churches that invite me,

they all have the same story. They were heroic during COVID. They pushed back against the government, whatever. Their numbers exploded. All the other churches lost a lot of people because they went along. They made the mistake of going along with whatever was the mandates or the shutdowns or the narrative, basically, get the vaccine. whatever was being told or sold, they went along with it. And a lot of people for the first time said,

wait a minute, what's going on here? And so they would try a different church and they would say, whoa, this is great. I think I'll go here from now on. That happened and happened with online churches, my friend Jack Gibbs and others. Their numbers have exploded. People are getting fed every week. So something happened during COVID. And we're now kind of seeing who is standing and who has decided like, well, I'm just going to, I'm going to go along with whatever. And obviously, I compare it in my books to what happened in Germany, that they made this cynical calculation. Like, we don't want to get in any trouble with the Nazis or with the authorities. So we're just going to go along.

We're going to keep our mouths shut on these issues. That's the time we're living in right now. It's a biblical time. and it's our time to be able to stand up. And you know, it's funny, I was just talking to a great man that you know, and he was talking about how he just wanted to retire in golf, but he got called back because of the wickedness of the times. And I said, you know, there's a part of us that says,

I wish I could live back in the 1920s or pick your time when America was a Christian nation and I could work hard for 65 years, and then I could go retire and play golf. But that's not the time in which we live. And I don't think I'd want to because we get to earn so many rewards. we get to stand for Christ in a way today that how many generations of Americans ever got to? Very few. So what an amazing opportunity we have, but will we? Each one of us has a choice to make, but we stand strong.

And in order to stand strong, you have to know God's Word, and you have to be surrounded by Godly believers who also believe in God's word, which means being in a church that preaches His Word, because the mega-church movement is coming to an end. Because back in the day in the 80s, when it started, You had to drive to a big, huge church with a great speaker and some fancy music, and you'd go. But COVID was the great exposure, which was, well, now I can sit at home in my underwear eating Cheerios, and I can watch Eric Metacchus or Francis Chan or John Mark Arthur preach. So I don't need to go to this mega church.

People all of a sudden start going, wait a minute, I want a church that actually stands for something, when I'm actually learning. Because what is church supposed to be? A body of believers where you and I know each other, where I know if your child is sick, where I know if you're having marriage problems. I can pray for you. I can hold you up and say, this is my brother, and I'll stand with you no matter what. That's the body of believers. Not some massive organization where we go into church and there's a velvet rope keeping us from a pastor because he's some kind of celebrity. That garbage is going to decline and it's going to be gone soon.

And I say good riddance. Well, I mean, I talk about a lot about this, about the idea that a lot of these megachurch preachers, they're, they're, the one that pops to mind is Andy Stanley. He wrote a book that came out a couple of years ago called Not in It to Win It. And it was chapter and verse, the opposite of what I say in my book, Letter to the American Church. I was reading his book. I was thinking what he's writing is not biblical. It's not historically accurate. In other words, it is wrong.

He believes it's right, and he's pushing it out there. And people that I would consider allies, they praised it. Like, you start thinking, do you understand where we are? are, do you understand that these are leaders that are going to be held to a much higher standard than your average Christian? And they're putting stuff out there that is deceptive, that is, that is lying to people saying we're not, we shouldn't be political. We shouldn't, we have never lived in a time when we need to be more political. You could, you could, you know, in 1980 or 85, you could say, well, you know, Tip O'Neill is the face of the, of the Democrat Party. And, you know,

he's a good guy. I disagree with him on some stuff. We're no longer in those days, folks. The left has gone hardcore against God, against God's values. They are shaking their fist at God in a way we've never seen before, folks. You have to be awake to the hour. It's like all the Germans in Germany who, in 1934, wanted to pretend that the Kaiser was the head of the German nation. No, it was now Adolf Hitler and folks that were dedicated to really to murdering God if they could. and to use the church to do that. So we're living in crazy times.

We'll be right back talking to our friend, Ken Harrison. You can go to what makes a man.org. Folks, welcome back. We want you and your church leadership to go to what makes a man. Dot org to sign the proclamation there about the biblical view of masculinity. It's astonishing that we're living in a time where you have to be clear about this kind of stuff. But we do need to be clear. And we need to make it clear to everyone, what does the Bible say? And the number one thing is we have to reject this, this offensive joke

called Pride Month. It is an offensive joke, a lie, a deception. And we need to push back hard. And if you're not doing that, you've become part of the problem. So Ken Harrison, what else do we need to talk about here? You know, Eric, this is our chance. This is our opportunity. You think about the fact that the evil, if we just step back for a minute, that they're taking little girls and little boys eight, nine, ten years old and telling them they're a different gender and actually giving them drugs that will permanently affect their bodies, telling them to health surgeries. And if parents don't go along with it, if they take them away, where are the men? This is the point of us putting this together. You are a bright light in the dark world right now, Eric, but people need to come around you.

And part of the way we do that is by making truth clear. And so, the Millie-Malley pastors like Annie Stanley talked about who said you don't need to know the Old Testament to read the Bible. The New Testament is written to people who know the Old Testament. Like you can't really understand the New Testament unless you know the Old Testament. But there's false teachers out there and they will be judges. It's not our job or we don't need to worry about judging them. We need to is rescue people for truth. And you're doing an amazing job of that.

But I would just say in the day of evil today, Robert Kennedy, I like a lot of what he said. He just said abortion should be legal to the day a child is born. That is, you take a child out of the mother's womb and you leave it on the table while it gasps for breath and it dies for no reason. Where are the men? How could we tolerate such evil and wickedness? I think we need to start off at the very beginning. It's like Vince Lombardi when the Packers, when he first took over the Packers and they were a terrible football team and he said, gentlemen, let's start at the beginning. This is a football.

That's what we're doing here today. Ladies and gentlemen, let's start off at the beginning. This is what a man is. And so I would say, please go on there, sign this and promote it. Get it all over social media. Let's make, look, I want to make sure that I'm hated by more people than you are, Eric. So I'm saying people help me to be more hated in this culture. Five months, masculinity, let's promote this thing.

I want to make this be an explosion that is the great exposure of which are the churches that really follow Jesus and which are not. And I want to be real clear, folks, this is about love. This is about love. means if you love your neighbor, you're going to tell him the truth. If you love your neighbor, you're going to speak up for the truth because the truth affects your neighbor. And we are, we're being, these lies have been peddled and peddled. If you're silent in the face of evil, you're complicit with it. This is about, I just think about that 14 year old boy who's confused. Listen, the Lord loves him and the Lord appointed his church to stay.

stand up for that young man to give him clarity on who he is in God's eyes, on God's will for him. If you look the other way, folks, you are opening the door to evil touching this young man, confusing him, and pretty much anyone can be confused. And so we have a lot of purveyors of confusion out there right now taking advantage of this idea of tolerance, open-mindedness. Let me tell you, if the church does not stand up boldly at this time on all of this stuff, the Lord will hold us accountable. He's holding us accountable right now. So we're living in a day of judgment, and you should be scared.

You should be, in other words, you have this great opportunity to show the love of God. But if you don't, the Lord leaves you to your own devices. And that should scare you. You don't want to be left to your own devices. You want to be with the Lord, walking with the Lord. He will be with you as you speak to. truth. We're out of time, folks. Go to what makes a man.org.

Check it out. Get your pastor to go. What makes a man.org. Ken Harrison, thank you for your leadership in this. Oh, appreciate it, man. Thanks for letting me talk about this.