The Eric Metaxas Show - Kevin McCullough

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Kevin McCullough shares his outlook on national security and the Iran war. More at https://x.com/thatkevinshow

Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to listen to a man of grace, sophistication, integrity, and whimsy? Well, so are we. But until such a man shows up, please welcome Eric Mat, Texas. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Hour 2. It is still Monday, the 23rd of June. And I'm still excited about the leadership. that President Trump has shown the wisdom because there's so many people who they're going to criticize him no matter what he does. And, well, I wanted to know what Kevin McCullough thought.

So we got our friend Kevin McCullough on the program. Kevin, welcome back. That's a great risk you take there, Eric, but thank you for having me. Leadership requires risk-taking. And I've taken a great risk in bringing you on. this could become one of those foreign entanglements where I can't get you off the air for eight or 20 years and we spend trillions of dollars in blood and treasure. That's that's part of the risk. But I don't think, I think I'm the kind of a leader that can can make sure that we don't, we don't go down that path. But it's interesting you bring that up because the feedback that I've heard from people that aren't part of the president's support group, but they're on the outside looking

in have said over and over again since Friday night, well, what about what about his desire to make peace? What about his desire to end wars instead of start them? Isn't this just a flaming hypocrisy on his part? And I have to take them back to the very earliest part of his first term. You may remember there was a night that he was entertaining President Xi Jinping of China at Mar-Lago. They had finished their entree and they were moving to the dessert course and he has an assistant come in and give him a little piece of paper and he reads it and looks at it. Thanks for a second and says, excuse me, I'll be right back. He goes to a secure location, speaks with the Secretary of Defense and the powers it be and launches a missile attack against Bashar al-Assad in Syria because Assad

had crossed a red line. Now, it was a red line that Obama had drawn, but had never enforced, and he had continually crossed it, and Obama never did anything about it. But President Trump, upon taking office, said, I will observe the red line, and I will do something about it if you cross it. And he crossed it. He put chemical weapons on his own people. And so President Trump blasted the bejesus out of him over there with what was just Tomahawk missiles. And he comes back and has dessert with Xi Jinping smiles and says, just had to take care of something. Let's continue where we left off. And it didn't start a land war.

There were no boots on the ground. There was no long-term entanglement, to use your words. There was no 30 years forever war. There was none of this other stuff going on. He simply had an objective. He kept his word. He did what he said he would do. And you know what?

Bashar al-Assad never launched another chemical weapon against his own people. ever again. This is not an uncommon thing for this president. He will use military power, but he will do it in a targeted strategic way that is in keeping with America's priorities, and he'll keep his word. And now the Ayatollahs know that. Well, yeah. Now, I guess the bigger question is, of course we want regime change there, but we know, because we believe in the Maga Doctrine and we're not Lindsey Graham, that it is not up to us to bring it about through military means, as we stupidly tried to do in Iraq and Afghanistan and in Libya with the, you know, the naivete of the neocan hawks in thinking that we could just wave a magic wand, you know,

and turn Libya into Iowa or turn Iraq into Idaho or Ohio, that naivete that chaining and Bush and Lindsay Graham and John McCain seem to have, which has been proven to be naivete, because none of that stuff worked. It cost us multiple, multiple billions, if not trillions, not to mention much more importantly, the lives that were lost, American lives that were lost, American arms and legs and eyes that were lost in those warmongering adventures. We know that Trump does not want that and will not get behind that. So I'm always amazed at people who see this very, very abbreviated strike.

I mean, that was it. It was done and it's over that they don't seem to understand that that's different from sending, you know, 50,000 troops across the border to take over Iraq. Yeah. Let me point out a couple of things that you said. one, this may not be the end of it, and the president said so himself Saturday night. He said, the time for peace is now, and if you choose not to respond with peace, we have plenty of other targets that can still be hit. We just hit the three most difficult ones, and you never knew we were there. So his peace through stance, thoroughly intact, and he needs to let the aetolus know that there's

there's not going to be, you're not going to be allowed to continue all the stuff that you've been doing. And now is the time for you to choose. But I guess, but I need some clarity, Kevin, though. In other words, why couldn't Israel do that? I mean, it's one thing to say that we needed the bombs that can, you know, penetrate down into these mountains that only America has that technology. Why would we need to do anything more? Why couldn't Israel do it? I'm not sure that you can distinguish between Israel and America over the last eight days in terms of which was which strategy.

I really do think that Netanyahu and Trump worked together in a coordinated fashion to achieve this end. And let me just say very quickly that without Netanyahu and the incredible military of the Israelis going in there and literally clearing the path, their air notification systems didn't even register that we had massive more than 100 aircraft in their airspace. That was all because of our allies in Israel. And so whether it's us or them or whoever, there's more that can be done what the president's message. I know that, but it makes a big difference whether it is we or they who do it. And my question would be, and I join the effort. We are now part.

of this. I don't see. Now that there. But neither of us are looking for regime change. Neither Israel nor America are pursuing that. We're preventing them from having a weapon. Well, we've already prevented them from having a weapon. And my question is, why would we need to do more? Why would why would we not? Well, I'll go back to what I said, because I don't think I was unclear. The president said to Iran, if you choose peace, this ends now. if you choose to retaliate against America and you know we have yes it is different what you just said

listen what you just said if they choose to retaliate against America of course then America has to respond but what I'm saying is he says if you choose peace if they retaliate against Israel that's issue

okay well that's what I'm saying we'll take care of that but if they remember go back to Afghanistan, another very salient moment in his first term. There was an attack by the Taliban that killed a Marine, and it was not lauded loudly across the press, but it hit the news pages. And the president decided to launch the Moab, which is the next smaller ordinance than what we used in this particular exercise. And that Moab took out, you know, maybe up to a, thousand Taliban in one spot.

It just, they were no more. And his message was, if I harmed the hair of one more American, you will have visited upon you. His message to Iran on Saturday night was essentially the same thing. If anything of yours gets close to

anything related to us, we reserve the right to knock you off the planet. But if you choose peace, and he's giving them this very clear message, we just drove through a stake through your heart, We flew to the center of your country. You never knew we were there.

We blew up the most important thing that you had, and you couldn't stop us. If you respond with a retaliation that even harms a hair on one of our troops' heads and one of these 40 operating bases that we have throughout the Middle East. And by the way, why are we on those operating bases? Because those countries have been petrified, to quote Marco Rubio from CBS this weekend. They are petrified that Iran was going to invade them. and here we are with those bases. If they harm a hair on the head of one of those soldiers, it will be scorched earth.

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But today he's just Kevin. Kevin McCullough, you're just saying some important things by way of clarification. I'm glad I asked for the clarification because I want to be clear that, yes, if Iran, if the leaders in Iran, would be stupid enough to retaliate. Because basically, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, we said clearly, Trump said clearly, listen, we did, we did, we bombed these three sites. We're done. We're not looking for more trouble. We did that. We're done.

if you retaliate, however, at us, you'll be sorry. That's really clear. And I hope that will be solution. Now is the time for peace. He is being as proactive and as generous as he can be. What I don't want people to think about Trump is that he's some sort of softy when it comes to, just because he's not for Forever War, mean that he didn't understand how to use the military to its maximum lethality.

And that's what the Ayatollahs thought that they were going to be to bluff with, that he was going to back down from actually taking this action because he supposedly wants to end wars instead of start them. Well, he did. He ended their ambition to take this nuclear stuff to the next phase. And you have to ask the question, because I was ashamed of the American media all day on Sunday, from Face the Nation to meet the press to every show that just about had anyone on, their questions were inane because they were like, well, did the Ayatola indicate that they had given the order to go ahead and press to weapons-grade uranium? The answer is it does not matter, because if they have already enriched it to 60%, you only need a threshold of 5% enrichment to be able to provide a civilian energy system. They were at 6%. The only countries on the planet that have 60% enriches. uranium are people that have nuclear weapons. And you can quickly get to 90. And in fact, my sources

tell me that before Israel attacked them 10 days ago, that they were at, they were within 48 hours of having payload quality enriched uranium. They were also about 72 hours away from finalizing an intercontinental ballistic missile that would reach New York, Washington, Atlanta, Miami. because of that stark assessment of where they were at in their development, they could, Trump and Netanyahu could not wait one more, one more day. There was not another day to give them because they would have one bomb in 48 hours. They would have 12 in about a week. 12 is enough to take out the most important cities in Israel and America and Europe.

So anybody that thinks that this was just like, oh, well, he could have done it, you know, softer, you know, been more diplomatic. No, we were at the stage where it had to be made. And the person with which they pulled it off, even deceiving with sending the B-2s one way, while really they were going another, was really spectacular in terms of execution. And what it says to not only Iran, but China, North Korea, and Russia, is that we can do the same thing to you if necessary. So it's not, he doesn't have to use the military as often as other presidents. When he does, he has maximum lethality, because that's what we know. The quote you're looking for from history is, don't mess with the best. I think that's the quote.

Don't mess with the best. The actions speak for themselves, yes. But the best don't mess. I believe it was Winston Churchill who said that. So you made a couple of points that I want to follow up on. First of all, you said my sources indicate. So my first question is, you have sources, Kevin? Well, of course.

How do you think I'm on top of all these things? I don't have sources. So I'm fascinated. I'm your source. I'm your source. You pull me because I talk to my source. So, but what you just said, which I agree with, your assessment of where Iran was in on this process of building a nuclear bomb. Number one, I agree with that.

But there are people out there, including, I'm afraid to say, I think Tucker Carlson, who act like this is not true. This is, I don't know, Israeli propaganda. I mean, there have been many voices out there simply saying that this isn't true, that they weren't on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon, or this is the second piece, which is worth lumping in here, or that even if they had it, so what, North Korea also had. nuclear capability, so does Pakistan, so what.

That's why our GUE 57 was created, because North Korea did get the bomb. And in case we need to take theirs out, we now have a weapon that can do that. That's exactly why we created the bunker buster. I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, I guess, but my question is, what I have been saying is that Iran is different. First of all, number one, I agree with the assessment. they were that close. And if we were going to take action, we need to take action. Okay. But the second

piece of that is why would we take action? And I would say it's because Iran is different from North Korea. Iran is different from Russia or China. Iran is different in that they would use the bomb tomorrow to wipe Israel off the face of the map. You know that that's true because with far lesser technology, they have created just as much damage as al-Qaeda or as ISIS, which are kind of the Arab components to their opposite. With far less technology launched October 7th. With far technology, they funded law coming over the northern border of Israel. With far less technology, they supplied the Houthis to attack our ships in the Persian Gulf. These are people that use proxies that buy people off, that pay families thousands and thousands of dollars to, in essence,

give their child to Allah. These are bad, bad people who do bad, bad things with less technology. So why would you give them the maximum? Okay, so, Kevin, what you just said, because this to me is very important. There are people out there who don't seem to understand why Trump felt the need to do this. And they kind of act like, well, why did he? And you're saying, well, I'll tell you why. And you're saying what I've been saying, because, yes, Iran was on the very verge of having nuclear weaponry that could take out Israel, could take out Jerusalem, could take out Tel Aviv.

And number one, they had it. And number two, they would use it. We know that other countries have this ability, but they are not threatening to wipe Israel off the face. of the map. North Korea is not wiping Israel off the face of the map. Russia is not wiping Israel off face the map if they could and they could. But we have reason to believe that Iran is different. And that is... Well, they kind of prove it all the time. So why would we give a state who chants death to America every Friday at mosque? Why would we give that state the power to do that thing? I think one of the, you know, we talked about the mistakes of Afghanistan and Iraq, and there were mistakes significantly.

One of the things that we missed ahead of 9-11 was the fact that Osama bin Laden and the people of al-Qaeda were telling us over and over and over again that they were going to do exactly what they did, that they were going to come for us, that they were going to attack us, that they had intentions of infiltrating our systems and being able to take us in a spectacular and dramatic. We never put those pieces together. In fact, even different intelligence organizations within our own government weren't talking to each other about stuff that correlated. We're not, we live in a post-9-11 world now. And for Donald Trump, and I know that Tucker's been very supportive of him, and I know that Marjorie Taylor Green and other people have been very supportive of the president, and some of them are a little bit questioning now what he did.

But I would just point them back to the dinner with, with G, I would point them back to the message he sent to the Taliban. He doesn't use the military in an extended, ongoing, entrenched way. He says to them, we're going to do this to demonstrate. And he couldn't have been more clear. You have 60 days to come to the table. And the Iranians said, no. And then on Friday, he said, but we're going to give you a chance here to really decide

you could still have a country. No. Okay, I'll decide sometime within the next two weeks. And about two minutes later, he set the plans in motion to, send everything to, you know, where. At the end of the day, he was more patient than he needed to be. He gave them every last opportunity to come to the table and do what was right. And when he realized that they had no interest in doing what was right, he said, I have to defend America. That's my primary job. Biden didn't say that. Obama didn't say that. To some degree, even Republicans in recent

administrations have not said that to the same degree. He said it. He took the action. It was measured. It was measurable. And now it's over. Well, I'm glad to get your perspective, or was that the perspective of your sources? We'll never know. But it doesn't matter. No, I have to say that I am surprised at Marjorie Taylor Green's, you know, kind of quibbling or Tucker's stance. Because what you've just said to me now is my opinion, is that this is real, that they were, in fact, on the verge of having these weapons.

And then number two, they would use them. Again, Pakistan, Russia, North Korea. They all have nuclear weapons, but they are not threatening every day to wipe Israel off the face of the map. Now, there was some Obama, I don't know, flunky the other day saying, oh, they don't really mean it. I was watching that clip, and I thought this is amazing.

Most of his administration said that the whole time he was in office. We're going to a break more with Kevin McCullough. Stick around. Welcome back talking to Kevin McCullough. Some of you out there who've listened to this program, I just always want to clarify some of you. I don't know who you are, but some of you know him. Hopefully just Chris I'm not thinking about else.

Perhaps some of you know him as Vostradamus. But if you don't, and if you just know him as Kevin McCullough, I want you to know that other people know him as Vostradam. What I would really like them to know me for, actually, gentlemen, is thatkevinshow.com, where they can get everything that I do, my columns, my podcasts, my TV show, everything, everything is there. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Please go there. Hold on a second. First you tell me you got sources. Now you tell me you got a show. So where do people go that Kevin Show.com? Everything's there.

Social media, podcast, everything. That's Kevin Show.com. You don't even have to spell McCullough. See, we know that it's a tough name to spell. So just go to that that Kevin Show.com. And by the way, folks, if you want to know everything about me, you have to spell metaxis correctly. It's Ericmatakis.com, ericmataxis.com, ericmataxis.com. But we're not talking about me. We're talking about you. You're the one that has sources. When people say, my sources tell me, I'm always a little jealous. It's like, I want to get sources. But I guess you're my source. So you're one of my sources. So let's keep talking about this. I'd be so. Where do things go from here? Today is Monday, June 23rd.

Vladimir Putin, stupidly, I think, said, we may provide nuclear warheads to Iran. That was an amazing thing that he would be so childish, that he shows his character. I don't think that Putin himself said that. I think that was Medvedev, which is obviously an agent of Putin. But at the end of the day, I don't think Russia is going to try to ender themselves to the global community. by giving nuclear warheads to crazy people. I think it's a lot of bluster. I think it's a lot of they saw what we did.

It could happen to them. I think it's kind of scary to Xi and Putin both, though, that the U.S. can fly basically around the world and be undetected. And, you know, 14 planes dropping two tons of ordinance each. I just don't think there's no incentive for him to actually follow it. It was more than you just try to make the Iitolos feel a little bit better today. It was well, it was much more than two tons. No, each bomb is two tons.

So you had seven planes that could carry two of them each. So that's 14 times two. That's what, 28 tons of ordained that we dropped. Yeah, it's, it is astonishing. I mean, I haven't talked about this, because again, this happened over the weekend. but these planes, oh my goodness. I mean, this B-52 stealth bomber. This is the B-2, not the B-52.

What's that? It's the B-2, not B-52. Not B-52. That's a little old. B-52s were what we used in World War II. Right. I know that, yes. Even I know that.

But the B-2 stealth bomber, do you know anything about this plane? I mean, I know that each plane costs $3 billion. Yeah. one plane, $3 billion, it can fly. Again, when they say like it flew from Missouri, I'm thinking, why? I mean, I thought it flew from Guam. Was it not flying from Guam? No, that was where the Western group went. So what happened was on Saturday, late Friday night, seven of them take off headed west towards Guam. And the government puts out a confirmation when asked, Oh, did we just see some B-2s take off from Missouri?

Are they headed west? And the White House confirmed that and said, yes, there are some B-2s headed west. So everybody thought, oh, why are they moving B-2s all the way over to Guam? Because from Guam over to Iran, you could still do it. It's a long flight. But we have assets positioned that could conceivably refuel them and so forth. So it would be something that they would – but meantime, we had already sent the ones east, and they were already halfway through the mission.

be clear east from freaking Missouri. Correct. Ladies and gentlemen, from Missouri, from Missouri to the Atlantic coast across the Atlantic all the way. Now, but why did it say 33 hours? I don't get that. Is that, is that? That was the total air time.

So it took us the amount of time to get there, drop the ordinance, turn around and come back, and the entire air, flight time was 33 hours. hours, including the refueling over the oceans a couple of times. Which is, again, I'm in awe. And they fly much more fuel efficient when they're not carrying four tons of super bombs on them on the way home. So they get better gas mileage on the way back. But here's the thing about this, Eric, and this is important, these, this fleet, and we've

had the stealth now for a little while, this is, this fleet's getting old. And one of the important things that is in the big, beautiful bill and in the new Trump priority is is greater defense spending to continue to refine and improve our technological capacity to kind of outdo everybody else so that we always have the cutting edge stuff. And there's a whole, I can just tell you from another source that we have an entire fleet of new stealth aircraft that are under development right now. And when those things all come to fruition to operational fruition the way the BTs, it's going to be really scary what people.

that want to take us are going to face because we could literally show up in their backyard and they wouldn't know it until we were there. We could be behind you right now. Don't look. Someone just tap me on the secret. I know that some of this new stealth, like it's so stealth if we're able to fund it in the big, beautiful bill, but some of these planes, they say even the pilots flying them won't be able to know that they're there.

And that's very, that is, that's not been. quite, but yes. You want to be the best. Yes. You want to be the best. You got to, you know, you got to, and let me say it again before we go to the break here, ladies and gentlemen, this is my quote. This will be on the monument to me after I'm long gone.

Don't mess with the best. Because the best don't mess. Eric Pataxis. We'll be right back. Couldn't even see the floor. I'd be sad and not for you. When you were yours and open. Folks, welcome back to reiterate.

I was just saying, don't mess with the best because the best don't mess. Thank you very much. You've been a great audience. Kevin McCullough, what we were just talking about the B2. What is stealth technology? In other words, what does this mean? These planes are made of ceramic. I mean, no kidding.

Is that what they're made of? It doesn't, the materials that they have in their composite don't make them consider. invisible to all radar and weapons systems, but they make them more invisible than anything that's ever been produced before. So there are ways in which very complicated systems can still detect their presence, but the vast majority of the time, they are never going to be detected. And that is achieved with two means. One, the composite of what they're made of.

And secondly, the fact that they can fly around the globe at, much higher elevations than anything we've ever had before. So if you think about your average jetliner that you go from California to New York in, you usually fly it around 31 to 35,000 feet. Sometimes the pilot will take it up if there's some turbulence or go down a little bit, but that's kind of generally where they're at. These things can fly upwards of 100 to 120,000 feet above. Wait, now, hold on, hold on.

Because I was the other day, I looked this up online. what is the altitude that they fly at? Because someone had said, like 30 kilometers up. And I said, wait a minute, let me do the math. 30 kilometers is like, what, 18 miles, which is like 100,000 feet. And then I went online and it said that they fly at 50,000 feet.

So you are corroborating because you're... Generally, they fly in the 50,000 foot range. Yes. They have touched the edge of the edge of. space. So they can get up. You know what I'm saying? No, seriously. It's a radical of teenage years as you did, but no, I guess some of us have. Yeah.

You were telling me what I heard was right that they are capable of going up to 100,000 feet, which is so astonishing. Well, if you combine that with the technology of how we fire missiles now from planes, drop bombs, in other words. So, again, sources that I have, but there's a program within the United States Navy called the helmet. And the helmet program is largely practiced with the F-18 squadrons that take off and land from carriers. But the people that have the helmet, and it's about a, you know, $2 million piece of head gear that only limited qualifies get to wear, you can actually guide the direction of your bomb or missile. with the iris of your eye on the screen of the blast shield of your helmet.

So there's a piece of technology that allows that kind of precision from the person that's guiding it. And so that's why we never miss our targets anymore. I don't know if you've noticed in recent years. We just, we don't miss things. When we see something, you see the grainy, gray and black footage of it and the bomb hits it dead center. That's because we are able to guide these things all the way down. So when you had to make the exact hit on Furto, for example, where they, They had an air shaft.

They tried to get the bomb as far down it as they could, the first one, so that it could blow up and create a space for the second one to come in. We didn't miss. And we don't miss. And that's the thing. And sometimes you can even guide those from beyond the aircraft. So there may be someone in Missouri looking at where that missile is going that's connected to the guy that's in the craft that's releasing it at the same time. And the precision with which we can put these things through, you know, a car window is pretty,

pretty incredible when you think about it. So, Kevin, can you get me a helmet like this? I wish. You know what I mean? We've been friends for a while. I know someone who has one, but I can't get it for, you know. I know you have sources. I do.

And you could get me this kind of technology since we're friends. You know what I mean? It wouldn't kill you to try. Because, man, what I could do with a helmet like that. But you also have to have the weapons system to go along with it. So, yeah, the $95 million jet doesn't come with the helmet. There's always a catch with you. There's always strings attached.

I've noticed this. All right. Well, listen, I see that's the limit of our friendship. I ask for a helmet and you just, you're basically telling me no. And that's one of the lesser things you've asked for over the years. So there we go. Yes, I should, I should ask for helmets more often, though,

because I just like that idea, $2 million helmet. That can't be right. The technology, you know what I mean? like the actual helmet is $2 million? That can't be. Is that right? Per helmet that's out there. And not all planes have them and not all NFOs, which is the rank of officer that uses it.

Not all NFOs qualify for it. But for the ones that do, it is a very sophisticated piece of weaponry. And nobody else on the planet has it. No one else has the B-2. No one else has the GBU 57s that we were dropping. These were things. And this is why to Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Green's, you know, belligerence aside, This is why no one else could do this because the Israelis did as much as they could.

They took out all their air defense systems. They took out all of their traditional missile launchers. They did everything that they could, but they couldn't get 300 feet underground and take out those enrichment capacities. And we had the technology and the weaponry able to do it. And Donald Trump saw that we were going to be in serious trouble if we didn't. And we were the only ones that could. So he made the tough decision. I think history is going to judge him very kindly for it because the Ossity stopped by doing that.

We'll never know the full extent of. Okay. Do you think we know that Iran did not do anything to retaliate against us, and we hope that they're smart enough not to. But they did launch missiles at Israel. Do you think this goes on and on? I mean, I just, I'm wondering. They're almost out of missiles, so I don't think. that that's going to continue to happen.

If there's one other little curveball in this mix that's causing problems, and that is that the Chinese continue to land 737s and 747s in Tehran, and we don't know why. When they are, they, in their flight manifest, they're saying, we're going to Luxembourg. They take off from Beijing. When they get over Iran, they turn their transponder off and land. We don't know what's on those planes. We haven't figured it out yet. But some of that really, really good intelligence from the Israelis probably is close to figuring that out.

My guess is there's some sort of reinforcements that have been coming, but we're going to have to make sure that, you know, those things don't kill all the rest of us. One thing we know for sure, China can't get them the stuff that we just blew up. So at the end of the day, this was a good thing all the way around. All right. we've got a final short segment with Kevin McCullough. But just to reiterate, Kevin's not going to get me one of those helmets. You know what?

I'm just going to let it go. I'm going to let it go. That's good. But it's not easy to let it go because I want one. We'll be right back. Okay, folks, I'm talking to Kevin McCullough. And Kevin, what you just said, I hadn't heard this. China has been flying planes two.

Tehran. Correct. That worried me, of course, because we don't want Russia or China to make this go farther than it's gone. Why do you think they would do that? I mean, what is your guess? In other words, what do you think is going on in a month? I've asked people that I trust, and they don't have a good answer for it yet either. where human intelligence can never really be replaced. Because as much as we can see with satellites, we see the planes going in there. As much as transponders can tell us where they're at, they can turn those off. They can land planes.

We can't necessarily know what they're bringing in. We haven't figured it out as of yet. Not publicly. This is somewhat known. Your sources have failed you, Kevin. You're telling us your sources, your source have failed you. Okay, final serious question. I'm not going to bring up the helmet again because you know how I feel.

But I want to ask you a serious question. Regime change. We would love it if the mullahs would go away forever and we could return to the Iran of 1978 or something. Do you think that that is possible? It seems to me that it is. I think if the U.S. would stay out of meddling in the Middle East, a lot of things would take care of themselves. And your listeners may know this, but it was the Guter administration that laid the groundwork for people to bring the Ayatollah back to Iran. When he was failing at the negotiations of trying to get our hostages released, it was people that he sent to Paris to attend the negotiations that ended up bringing the Ayatollahs back to Iran.

We should let them decide what they want to be. and I have full faith that the Iranian people, as modern as they have had a civilization as in, you know, 40 years ago, that they will recover fine. Trump's approach to this is spot on. We have no beef with the Iranian people. We just want them to not be able to kill us in our allies. We've finished that capacity off. And what the Iranian people decide to do from here on, let them do it. By the way, they've almost overthrown this regime multiple times.

And if the regime didn't have the threat and the bully capability, of being able to, you know, put people down as easily as they had, they would have been. They've had both heads of their two-headed snake cut off. They've had all their money cut off from the West. No more pallets of cash. No more production of oil. No more selling it for global markets to make lots and lots of money. And no more nuclear program.

Without those two things, money and weapons, the itollers are kind of feckless. And I think the Iranian people will figure that out and do what they want to do over time. My guess is they probably get rid of them. Let them get rid of them and let them. them replace them with what they want. None of our business and we have no need to worry about it unless it, you know, threatens us in some direct way, and I don't say it will. Well, you said we've cut off both their heads. So I guess they're out of heads. Two-headed snake. We've cut off both heads of the two-headed snake. So that means they're out of heads. I can do the math. They're out of heads. If you

got two heads, then we cut off both of them, you're out of heads, technically, and on every level. So I guess that would be the hope, of course. And I know that, you know, anything we could do to encourage that, but we are not talking about, you know, further military escapades that we have. Well, here's what Trump does that's so brilliant. Instead of going in and saying, we're going to assist you militarily, he's going to say to Iran, when they establish a new government, how can we help you economically? How can we work together? Maybe you've got an Air Earth program like Ukraine does. Maybe we work together on that.

And as we get entwined with people economically, the ability for the really bad guys to come after them is greatly disincentivized because they don't want to take on America and that country. And now we're joined at the hip. Keep doing the economic development globally. You'll keep America safe long term. We're going to have to leave it there. We're out of time. They're out of heads. We're out of time.

My friend Kevin McCullough, thank you. Thank you.