The Eric Metaxas Show - Kevin Shipp

Episode Date: August 28, 2020

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Welcome to the Eric Mtaxas show. As you know, we bring extraordinary guests to the program. I speak with them, and that's the program. That's it. That's all we do. But most days, I get to talk to very interesting people. with compelling stories. Today, we have someone I haven't had the privilege of meeting until now.

His name is Kevin Schip. Some of you know Kevin Schip's story. I am new to it. He's an expert on the so-called deep state shadow government. We're going to talk about Q. Anon, whatever that is. Kevin is also a retired CIA. agent, and he's known to be a whistleblower at the CIA. So we've got a lot to look forward to

Kevin Schiff. Thank you so much for coming on this program. Eric, thanks a lot for having me on. It's great to be here. So what is your story? Because there are tons of people tuning in who have watched a couple of your videos and they know everything and many people will not know anything. So what is your story in a nutshell? And then we can just go through it. Oh, thank you, Eric. Yeah. I was as CIA officers, most people probably know, I was a protective agent on the detail of CI Director William Casey right during the Iran-Contra storm. One of my posts was in his house. The other one was just outside his hospital room in Washington, D.C., where Bob Woodward claims he got in, which, of course, he didn't. Then I moved on. I went into the counter-espionage group

and counterintelligence searching for moles inside the CIA, and we did finally. fine when we were having agents in the field executed. And after months of investigation, we found who the mole was. It was very serious. Well, it turned out it was an FBI supervisory agent, Robert Hansen, who sold our entire counterintelligence program to the Russians. I mean, it was so bad that the government kind of refrained from telling everybody exactly what happened.

This was in the late 80s or early 90s? That was in the early 90s. Right. Well, you just said, I mean, you know, I was alive. at the time. And so I have a vague memory of that being in the news, but what you have just said is, in fact, monstrously horrific. I mean, it really doesn't get much worse than what you just said. So you were, you were right in the heart of that. Yeah. And, you know, it's funny because the CIA had a couple really bad espionage cases. Alder James was one. There were 10 people

executed in the Soviet Union because of what he did. Then we had one more that was quite bad. the FBI, we were co-located through a mandate in Congress. We were co-located with the FBI. And the FBI was constantly pestering us because we'd had espionage cases and they never had. And when we found the mole, it was a senior FBI agent. So kind of egg in the face, but it was very serious. Louis Free, the FBI director at the time came out and said that the damage was exceptionally grave. And then they stopped and didn't say another thing about what happened.

Grave is an official term in national security for serious damage to national security. Louis Free called it exceptionally grave. Essentially, Robert Hansen gave our entire counterintelligence program to the Soviet unit, and that's kind of what never came out. Now, what did he did for that? I'm just curious. Like, that to me, that's a James Bond movie. I mean, that's the whole world in a nutshell.

Yeah. Well, he was close to the penalty of execution and through going back, and forth the plea deals, he got life in prison. And that's where he's sitting today, despite the number of people that were killed because of his case and the entire ruin of the CI's counterintelligence program. Well, actually, I was going to ask the question you just answered. The question that I meant to ask really was, what did he get, what did he think he was getting from the Russians for turning over something, you know, to say it's of inestimable value almost understates it? it. You know, Eric, it's funny because we had a lot of cases, and one of my expertise, of course, being counterintelligence was to study these cases and why these people did it. And the majority of cases, what they got in return was minuscule compared to what they gave over. I think Hanson got a bunch of diamonds. And I think the maximum was something like $100,000 in cash, and that was it. And then he's looking at life in prison. Others have gotten less than that. And it gets these people, it's a, it's a, it's a,

It's kind of an odd personality. They're kind of narcissists where they eventually get to the point where they think they're smarter than everyone else that they can do this and the system won't catch it because they're too smart. And, of course, then they get caught. So it's a personality trait, really. Well, it's a classic fatal flaw. You see it over and over again. You can go back to Benedict Arnold. He falls into the same category.

Well, in any event, how extraordinary. if you had done nothing else but been who you were back then 30 years ago doing these things that would that would warrant it seems to me several books but you you've gone on to investigate the CIA and the FBI I don't know if investigate is the right term how do you put it yeah it's investigate yes expose also as if your listeners don't know I was in charge of international computer networks and investigations inside the CIA. And I essentially stumbled across what looked like was a vulnerability to CIA systems where in any embassy around the world, a foreign intelligence service could go into the visa

section, get into the computer, go straight in and identify all of our covert personnel in that country, which would also include the assets that they've recruited. So it was very serious. And when I was done with my investigation, it was about 15 pages of evidence. and I submitted it to the senior division chief responsible for our cover overseas, sent it over via internal CIA mail and say, hey, you may want to take a look at this. This potentially, don't know for sure yet, but potentially this looks pretty serious.

So I gave them about a week to look at it. I called a week later and said, hey, did you get a chance to look at my investigation? And the response was, what investigation? I said, you know, the one I sent to you by a tract C.I. Internal Mail, that one. We never got it. Okay, tell you what, I'll bring it over to you personally.

So I went over to CIA headquarters, up to the floor where this division was, walked into the executive aide of the division chief, handed her my investigation and said, ma'am, I think you really need to look at this, this potentially is serious. She kind of bristled and said, okay, I'll look into it. I walked out thinking, okay, maybe we got somewhere here. I gave them a week, called them back a week later, asked them, did you get a chance to see my investigation? What investigation was her response?

I said, man, the one I handed you over the desk with a buck sheet, which is a routing sheet up. Well, I don't remember it. I'm not sure if we got it. I went back to the office, went on to the CIA main server to find my investigation and notes, and it had been deleted from the CIA server. Then I got a threatening phone call on the secure line by that division chief, threatening me to drop the investigation immediately, or essentially my career would be in jeopardy, and he hung up.

to make a long story short, and I know we're pressed for time, you know, I was a person of faith when I went into the CIA, thank God. So I went home and I prayed about this. You know, this is because why are they covering this up or at least stopping an investment? What year, Kevin, what year was this? Let's see, that would have been in, let's see, 19, that would have been 1995. So the Clinton years? Yes, which were very bad for U.S. intelligence.

That's subject for another program. but they compromised a lot of our national security, including satellite technology. But anyway, so it was a mystery, by the grace of God, frankly, my direct supervisor, who was a good man, went to a high-level meeting with senior officers, and just mentioned my investigation. One, who was a decorated CI officer, had left the CIA, and was now working with state IG at the top. My boss said, you may want to contact Kevin. He may be on to something. Anyway, just to summarize, this senior employee officer called me and said, hey, Kev, I hear you're doing an investigation. Would you send it to us?

So I did. Got a call the next day. Come over to state immediately. So I went over to State Department up to the top floor to senior IG investigators in this former CIA official. And he said, look, we think you've got something here. We're going to look into it. We went back to my office. Then I get a call again on the secure line.

And I know I'm covering a lot, summarizing the best I can. I've got a call on the secure line from this office. Hey, Kev, we think this is serious, the Department of State IG. We're going to travel to the embassies worldwide. We're going to see if we can hack into these systems and identify CIA covert personnel. Do not tell the CIA. Do not tell your supervisors. Keep this close hold.

You'll hear from us in about three months. Okay, hold it right there. Folks, I know you're not going any place. We're talking to Kevin Schip. This is very important information. Stand by. Hey there, folks. I'm talking to Kevin Schip. That's S-H-I-P-P. And Kevin, your story is so extraordinary. It's very hard to do it justice. People can look you up online after this interview. But what you're describing is, I would say, every patriotic American's worst nightmare. The idea that this great country would be compromised by dark forces with,

within the government. That's everyone's worst nightmare. More and more, we're hearing things like this. So let me just allow you to continue telling this story. So you go outside of the CIA to somebody who's retired or whatever, and he says, okay, we are going to look into this. Right. My investigation went to a senior Department of State Investigation Group officials.

They contacted me, told me they were going to do a global investigation. I'd hear from them in three months. Sure enough, three months later, I get a call on the secure line. Department of State IG had visited multiple embassies across the world and found that a foreign intelligence agent service could go into the visa section, which is open to anybody, go right and easily into the computer system and identify our covert agents, the covert agents assets, the chief of stations, the whole thing, which was severely dangerous.

They ordered me over to state real quickly for a meeting. I went in there. The state IG was there. A former CI official was there. The division chief responsible for covering this up sat at the other end of the table, while the Department of State officially rebuked the CIA for putting the lives of his agents at risk for over 10 years. They published a report to the entire intelligence community about what the CIA had done, and it became public knowledge within the intelligence community.

Why the CI had covered that up remains a mystery, except for the fact that perhaps they wanted that vulnerability there. subsequently I was assigned to a secret base within the United States that had been engaged in some very dark activities down through the years. My family was poisoned. We became very ill. My wife came running into the kitchen of bleeding from her gum. She was bruised all over her body. Her nose was bleeding.

She lost her short-term memory. I became dementia. My oldest son, his immune system, was devastated. They thought maybe it was terminal. So we were being exposed to some kind of toxin. I contacted the CIA and a cover-up began. They broke into our house and the rest. I've got programs out there.

What you just shared is, again, staggering. You're moved. Where are you physically in America while this is going on? In America, there's a secret base, which, of course, I can't disclose, but this has been in the Washington Post and the New York Times, so it's not that difficult to find out. But this is a secret CI base within the United States that for the last multiple decades has been involved in,

You're assigned to that with your family. And somehow everyone in your family is exposed to a toxin. Right. Doesn't seem like a coincidence. Let me ask you, why do you suppose something like that would happen? I'm just, you know, obviously stunned. And I'm sure you were more than stunned. Well, that was the question.

My question, too, what in the world is going on here? Is this just a bizarre coincidence? Is this a reprisal? I knew that I was going to get some retribution for my investigation and the CI's embarrassment. Why wouldn't you assume that it would be foreign agents that would do this? Well, it's on a classified base that's heavily restricted, and you've got to have a high clearance to get in there.

So there was no foreign penetrations or presence within this particular base at all. So this was an internal thing that was happening. and it got strange when I contacted the CI and asked them to come out and test what the poison was. There was black mold all through the house. We found a mustard gas shell fragment in our yard, and there had been mustard gas buried there. Anyway, the CIA refused. Our house was broken into.

A chemical was painted on the ceiling. Me and my family were followed. The security guards should become friends because I supported them, gave me sworn affidavits that they were ordered to follow us, cover up the break into our house and on and on it went uh i presented yeah again i want to i just want to get sure people are going to have questions you're saying that uh it was after uh you reported this they broke into your home and painted something on the ceiling correct that's correct well now i'm confused because i would think that that would have happened before which would have led to the illness why would they do something after you report that everybody's getting

sick. Sure. It's a good question. Well, I had, of course, everybody is very sick, and I went out and got some doctors' diagnosis and did my own test of what was in the house without them knowing it, and then later presented that to them. But the family was gravely ill, and I asked the CIA to come out and do an environmental test and find out what was going on. They refused. I collected my own samples. Anyway, to answer your question, after the family became ill, and I contacted the CI and presented that with my evidence, is when the break and happened, when the chemical was painted on our ceiling, and when our family was followed. And do you know what the chemical was and what the point of that chemical being painted was?

No. Sadly, we were commanded to evacuate, go back to headquarter, CI headquarters in Langley, Virginia. We moved back to Virginia. Never found out exactly what the poison was. Did you ever suppose, I'm playing devil's advocate, did you ever suppose that it was just black mold? Because I have had friends whose lives have been devastated just by black mold in their wall. A black mold is very serious, as you know, and others know, especially a stacchie botrys, which is a black mold, and aspergillus.

And some of the tests I collected showed high levels of aspergillus and stacchie botrys in the house. So we never got the chance to figure out whether it was, and the house was infested with the stuff, whether it was the black mold, which is a real possibility, or whether it was some of the things that were buried underneath the house and mustard gas, for example. But the way they handle it makes you more suspicious, obviously. Exactly. And the house was eventually burned down and destroyed by them and built over. So, yeah, I was never able to figure out which one, but their activities, if it was just black mold, you would think that they would do an environmental study and get the mold out of there or move us to another house. But that's not what they did. They destroyed the house after the break-ins, moved us back to Washington and then destroyed the house. Okay, now what happens?

Okay, so we go back to Virginia. And, you know, of course, I'm a person of faith. So I'm praying, what is going on here? What do I do? I even went to a passer without going into detail and said, look, this is what's happening? What do you think I should do? And he said, you need to file a personal injury suit. So I consider that a confirmation. Filed a personal injury suit against the CIA, presented my evidence to a federal judge.

The evidence was so compelling. The judge ordered the CIA to a mediated settlement by a former judge in Washington, D.C. We won the settlement after four hours. I presented my evidence. The CIA settled their legal office, the settlement agreement, we thought, okay, this is over. Three days later, they contacted my attorney, Clint, who someday I hope he's known because he's a real hero, but they contacted Clint and said, if Mr. Schiff doesn't accept a fraction

of the settlement, we're going to invoke the state's secret privilege and seal all of his evidence. Well, I told Clint to go back to the CIA and say, no, they signed a legal agreement, and I expected them abide by that. One week later, and this is where I came out and became a whistleblower. One week later, the CI invoked the state's secrets privilege, and people can find out about that on a lot of the speeches I've given. The CI invoked the state secrets privilege sealed all my evidence against them, told me, my family, and my attorneys, if we talked about it to anyone, we would go to prison for violating the state's secrets privilege. And they sealed all the evidence against them. Now, what was, when you talk about injury, what, which injuries are you referring to at

that point? In other words, is it just what happened in that house? Or was it what had happened previously? Yeah, great question. It was from the injuries from what the exposure in the house. The blood tests that I got back showed severe immune system destruction. As a matter of fact, the doctor who did the analysis said it looks like my oldest son had been exposed to a burst of radiation. His words, but that's not what it was. I don't think, but it was, that's how bad the immune systems have become. That was the evidence I produced in the personal injury suit,

plus the affidavits from the guards regarding the follow-ins and the break-ins. So because of the evidence, the CIA invoked a state seekers privilege, which is a little-known kind of tyrannical privilege where the CIA or the NSA can shut down any case against them using the state-seekers privilege and seal all the evidence. They did that with the domestic spying program. Right. So, you know, obviously, Eric, I thought about this. this, prayed about this for quite a while, what do I do about this? And I reached a conclusion,

look, I still believe in a constitutional form of government. And I still believe that agencies of the government should be under that constitution. That's an important truth in our system of democracy or republic here. And I prayed, what should I do? So I finally said, okay, there's only one thing to do, and that's let this see the light of day. And what, just for me personally, after a lot of prayers. I was reading one day in the book of Ephesians, and it said to be ashamed even of those, to speak of those things that are done of them in secret, for that which is in secret is exposed by the light, for whatever does make manifest is light. And that was kind of my defining verse. So I came out, all the documents that the CIA had blacked out, all of the

doctor's diagnosis, the environmental tests and everything, I released, and their attempt to invoke the state's secret privilege, I released it all to the public wide open. and it's on Kevin Ship.com now. Then I just sat back for the next five years, me and my blessing of a wife and just waited for the black suburbs to roll up and take me away. Hang on, let's pause there.

Boy, we've got lots more with Kevin Ship, folks. I know you're not going to any place, so I'm just going to sit here. We'll be right back. Hey, folks, I'm talking to Kevin Ship. The title of his book, I had it in front of me just a minute ago. I think it's on the shelf behind you.

The Company of Shadows? From the Company of Shadows, yes. From the Company of Shadows. Now that was published a number of years ago, correct? It was, yes. 2012. Your story is so fascinating. I just want to ask you, you just mentioned that you released all this stuff

ostensibly illegally, right? Because they said you can't do that. And you waited, and nothing happened. You said for five years. Yeah. What do you think is going on? What was going on? What was going on?

What the CIA blacked out and what they concealed in the state secret privates was their criminal activity, the criminal activity that they have done. And there's a lot of things on that base that the CIA did that they want no one to know about. And they don't want this thing to go any further. In my book from the company, In Shadows, they blacked out the chapter of the doctor's diagnosis and my family's poisoning. Now, them blacking out that chapter by the CIA was a violation. of Ronald Reagan's executive order, the CIA cannot black out things because they're embarrassing

to the agency or cover criminal activity. So they violated several criminal laws. If they were to go to court, obviously I would keep that in the public domain. If they were to go to court, their criminal activity in covering this up would have been exposed. The base, which they're terrified of America finding about, and what happened on the base, would have been exposed. So we have, I wouldn't call it a gentleman's agreement. We have kind of a checkmate here where, you know, I know a lot of lot more than I will ever say. There's no reason to do that because I'm a person of honor. But I know a lot more than I will ever say. And the CIA knows that. So they've left me alone now. It's been about five years now. And I'm going out giving these talks. I'm exposing

the shadow government in detail on how it violates the Constitution, as most of your viewers probably know. And so we have kind of a checkmate. And I continue to expose a deep state and the shadow government, it's violations of the Constitution. Well, I guess my question is, who are these players? We know they're bad, but whose side are they on? Are they just drunk with power? It seems to me that they have marshaled all of their forces against Trump. Yes.

So what is going on? Who are these people? Why are they behaving this way? You know, we know it's bad. We know it's mysterious, but what is your take on that part of it? That's a great question. And let me caveat by saying that about 80% of CIA employees are good people, just serving their country and supporting their families. And that also applies with the FBI. When you get up into the upper tiers of these agencies, that is where the power is and where they violate the Constitution and U.S. law routinely at that level. And we've seen that.

And I've done a very complex expose of the soft coup against President Trump by John Brennan, the CIA, the FBI, Comey, and others. And there is a system there, and this is what I expose. There's a system there that Comey and Brennan weaponized. And that is a system of secrecy. I call it the tyranny of secrecy, where they have a system so secret that not even Congress can penetrate and get into it. The intelligence committees can't penetrate and get into it. And this system's goal to answer your question, Eric, in the case. of the CIA and the FBI is to perpetuate itself,

to perpetuate its covert overseas operations, the billions of tax dollars it gets, and in the CIA's case, to protect itself from scrutiny or any attempts to dismantle it. That's number one. Okay, well, I just want to say that we all know this is normal for sinners, right?

Power corrupts. Right. When you get power typically, unless they're checks and balances, or unless you yourself, have a sense of virtue and honor and perspective. This is what people do. And so we've got all kinds of checks and balances and things.

But every now and again, things like this happen. I think of the classic case, much less nefarious, of Robert Moses here in New York, who looked at the president, sorry, the mayor's like, you're a punk. I've been here for decades. You come, you go, and I'm going to do what I want to do. So we've got more and more power.

And of course, these people always believe they're right. So they think their power is being used for good, whatever that means. But this is a much more dramatic case of that. And I guess, you know, you can go back to Hoover. My question is when you're talking about this today, how is it possible that this has never been reformed? How is it possible that they get away with this? And do you think Donald Trump is draining the swamp of which this is a large part? Yes, they have been building this system for over 60 years in the case of the CIA, the NSA, and the FBI.

And they have got, as I have said, and you made the point so well, Eric, that, you know, when you give power to a person beyond checks and balances, human nature will go bad, it will go dark, it will go evil every single time. History shows that. And, of course, it's a pretty well-accepted truth. Well, when you take that kind of power, the kind of power the CIA has and the billions of secret dollars that they have, when you take power and you put it behind a veil or shield of secrecy, it goes completely robed and evil prevails. And when it's hidden by the veil of secrecy, they can do just about anything and get away with it. So government in itself needs checks, but when you've got a covert agency that's doing covert things and there is no checks, that will go evil, it will go bad, it will go wicked every time. and that's what's happened.

Well, if we have time, I want to talk to you about the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation. It always seems to my mind that there are certain people who enjoy this kind of power and secrecy and are very adept at using it. And that is what we traditionally call corruption. And corruption is something most people know is bad. So when we come back, I want to ask you about that. I want to ask you about Edward Snowden. Folks, I'm talking to Kevin Schip.

That's the Eric Metaxis show. Don't go away. Hey there, folks. I am talking to Kevin Schip, who is all over the internet. We're talking about the deep state. I wanted to talk to you a bit about the Clinton Foundation. It seems clear to me that the Clintons have trafficked in this kind of thing for decades and that when they got into the presidency and then after the president,

with the Clinton Foundation, they continued to work this system. And I think it's one of the reasons Hillary was convinced there was no way she could have lost the last election and why we've seen the resistance and the fury and sputtering ever since that. What is your take on them and their role in all of this? Oh, yes, Eric. The Clinton Foundation is the largest unprosecuted charity fraud in history. It is not just... national, it is international, it is global. Good example. It's Hillary Clinton had contributors, I think it was $145 million, went into her presidential campaign, but it was stored in offshore banks through the Clinton Foundation. Why offshore banks? Well, they can't be subpoenaed, and they can't be

hit with a Freedom of Information Act request. The Clinton Foundation is a broad, extensive, multi-billion dollar fraud that the Clintons have began and initiated, and that is with their global support and the millions of dollars being placed in. I think George Soros gave Hillary Clinton $22.7 million into her presidential campaign to try to ensure that she gets elected. So it is a global fraud. It is a global network. It functions to the tune of billions of dollars. It is evil. It is wicked. It is dark. And I think people should keep an eye on it because it has been prosecuted yet. There are some people that are kind of rattling the saber saying they're going to do it. But it is massive. It is powerful and it is global.

But didn't they shut it down when her campaign folded when she lost the election? Isn't that what happened? Well, they shut down the headquarters. And it's funny, overnight. Within 24 hours, they fired all the staff and closed down the little headquarters afterwards, yet the foundation globally still continues. I had no idea that the foundation globally still continues. What do you suppose they want to do with these buildings?

and with all of this power. I mean, I've always said, and I try not to be conspiracy theorists, but it seems to me that Hillary Clinton was never done with wanting to be president, and that's still in play with her, even now. I wouldn't be shocked if between now and January 21st, somehow she ends up leading the ticket. Anything seems possible to me at this point, but particularly when you're dealing with the Clintons,

what's your thinking there? I've been following her for decades and Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and let me just say this, because it's my personal conclusion. She is evil to the core. There's no question about that. Now, I know this, and I've revealed this. When I was in the CIA, Hillary Clinton, when Bill Clinton was first elected, Hillary Clinton, through Bill Clinton, together, went to the CIA and demanded that Hillary Clinton get a full CIA clearance. And I remember the battle that went on there. And sadly, the CIA finally gave in and they gave the first lady Hillary Clinton a top secret SCI compartmented CIA clearance when she has which she has had ever since she was first lady her grab the tower still has that today no it's no it when it as far as I know I can say as far as I know when the Clinton's left office two years later that automatically that clearance would be revoked but you never know but I do know that when you leave the CI and you no longer have any sort of position or need for access within two years your

clearance expires. That legally, that's the way it's supposed to work. But the point is, for those several years, she had access to our nation's most sensitive, highly classified secrets as First Lady, which she has taken with her as a saber or a information to wield power, eventually to work her way into Secretary of State and other things. So she's had, she's been connected to the shadow government, which I call it. That's the secret parts of our government, using that power and wielding that power since she was first lady. And then as she moved into her globalist connections, it's pretty serious. Oh, yeah, it's pretty serious.

So where do you think we are right now with regard to all of this? I mean, nobody was talking about the deep state, you know, until the election of this. president, except maybe folks like you, but I'm saying that generally speaking, I hadn't heard those terms. And then suddenly you begin to see how it operates and you begin to hope that through this administration, it will be dealt with. What is your sense of that right now? Yeah, another great question. You know, I think I'm just kind of tongue in cheek, but I think I'm going to get a bumper sticker that says I was talking about the deep state when talking about the deep state wasn't cool. When I came out in 2012, it was a,

lonely experience. Let me tell you. Well, now it's all over the place. It's right out there where everybody can see. And we witnessed the soft coup against a presidential candidate and then a sitting president without question. That involved the CIA and the FBI and the NSA at the highest levels. We sat back and we actually saw that happen. They obviously, and let me just, let me say this, Eric, and I say this, I think is on an educated basis. Donald Trump is the first president in history that I have seen since JFK that has directly confronted the shadow government and the deep state head on. And obviously, they want him gone any way that they possibly plan. We all know his life's in danger. It has been since he was elected. And there's no question about that.

They want him gone physically, but they tried to destroy him using, weaponizing the shadow government deep state system. That was all exposed. And the big question I think I want to bring up now, Eric is, okay, we know that John Brennan was involved in the false dossier, leaking it, calling it intelligence. We know James Clapper was involved. We know James Comey was involved in Crossfire Hurricane. All these players, are they going to be indicted, arrested, and put in prison? Well, we all wish that would happen. But the point I make is that, and this is where I've been blowing the whistle on since 2012, what these people did was weaponize the existing unconstitutional system that was already there. that allows the CIA to spy illegally in secret,

that allows the NSA to collect all of our traffic to our cell phones, computers, and other things, that allows the FBI to investigate and frame people with impunity, which they've been doing for decades, that system was already there. These perpetrators just use that. Are they going to be indicted? And this, sadly, and this is heartbreaking,

I think there are going to be few indictments. And a lot of these people that we wish would be indicted and charged are going to walk. and we just got 15 seconds why will they walk they will walk because they use the system the existing system that was there that is legal although it's unconstitutional they will feign ignorance they will claim that there was no intent that they thought this intelligence was legitimate and they were just doing their job mark my words that's what they'll claim okay we will be right back more uh with my guest kevin ship it's fascinating stuff folks don't go away hey there folks as you know today

I'm in Washington, D.C., where I got to hear the president give his acceptance speech, actually not far from where I'm standing right now. A couple of things I want to cover with you really quickly in a couple of seconds we have left. Number one, food for the poor. We are asking every one of you, this is the last few days that you can go to metaxustalk.com, or you can call the number. I want to, the head of food for the poor, Angel Aloma has something to share. Let's play that.

Now she sees that the hope keeps getting smaller and smaller. Imagine if a two-year-old who might have weighed 13 pounds, and all of a sudden they go to 12 and they go to 11, and they go to 10, and they go to 9, and they go to 8, and they go to 7. Imagine if that word, your child, knowing that because you could not get them food, that your baby is going to die. It's that simple, folks. The bad news is that that's happening.

The good news is that just about every one of you can do something about it. $37 can feed a kid for six months. Two good meals a day. Food for the poor are as reputable as it gets. We work with them every year to help folks in places like Haiti Guatemala. These are truly the poorest of the poor in our hemisphere. So either go to metaxis talk.com. There's all kinds of things there you'll see that we want to do for you to thank you. If anybody gives anything, we put you in our drawing for, it's a grand prize

drawing for all kinds of stuff, studio visits, signed books, all kinds of stuff at every level. If anybody wants to give $10,000 tax deductible to what is a magnificent and important cause, I would be delighted to have dinner with you at a time of our mutual convenience, as many people as you want, wherever you choose. I put that out there because there may be some folks who want to do that. But this is very important, and I just wanted to say, we've just got a couple of days left, whatever you can give. We want everyone to participate, give something, folks. You can go to MetaxusTalk.com or call 844-863 Hope, 844-8663 Hope, 844-863 hope.

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Finally, let me remind you, I have a new book out. It is called Donald and the Fake News. It's meant to be funny, and guess what? It actually is funny. The illustrations by my dear friend, Tim Raglan, are brilliant. You'll recognize a lot of the cast of characters from the swampy city in which I'm standing at present. It's meant to be funny, but it's also meant to communicate some truths. I think you'll appreciate that. It's a humor book for adults. You can give it to your friends who love the

president. You can also give it to your friends who hate the president and dare them not to laugh, because some of it is just that funny. It also does work as a kid's book, and a lot of people are sharing it with their kids, but it's originally intended to be purely humor, political satire in any event. So grateful for your listening. Please stick with us, listen to this program when you can, and thank you for doing so.