The Eric Metaxas Show - K.T. McFarland (continued)

Episode Date: March 24, 2020

K.T. McFarland, politically-savvy author of "Revolution: Trump, Washington and We the People," continues her bunker-conversation with Eric, talking about what she sees as hopeful signs for the future of America, post-Corona virus.

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Thanks for nothing. We're in the bunker. And we are continuing our conversation with KT. McFarland. You know by now, I hope, that the book is called Revolution. We've been talking to KT in hour one. We're thrilled that she has consented to continue the conversation. She is not technically in a bunker. It looks like a nice place.

Katie, are you allowed to reveal your location to a public audience? I'm in Sarasota, Florida, where my daughter, Fiona McFarland, is running for the Florida State House of Representatives. She is a lieutenant commander in the Naval Reserves and a brand-new mother. So my husband and I came to be doting grandparents, and then the coronavirus came. And so we decided, well, we're going to just ride it out here in Florida with our family. Isn't this an amazing time? There are people scattered all around this country. I mean, I have so many friends that, you know, they're at their country homes.

They're not writers, so they have country homes. And then we've got other friends that are staying with their parents and stuff. It's a very, it's an interesting time in the country. And I do think that kind of like 9-11, we really are not going to be the same country coming out of I mean, if I can just take off the subject of the book ever so briefly, what do you suppose may come out of this? Because as we talk today, we simply have no clue where this ends. This is like the first three days after 9-11. We were wondering if another plane is going to hit the entire state building.

We have absolutely no clue. What is your sense of things? Well, I think that we get through this because, I mean, as we speak right, now they're American scientists and entrepreneurs are standing by ready to reproduce vaccines and medications. We have scientists working out at doctors. I think we get through this. We always get through these things.

But we'll be quite different at the other end. And part of it will depend on how long it takes. But I think that I've had a long talk with my daughter who's in technology and she lives in London. By the way, we are now chatting on a daily basis, I must say, thank you very much to technology. And she said that she made a very good observation. She said, mom, I've been remote working in my company, a blockchain company. She said for a year or so, we're used to this. We're used to having meetings, virtual meetings with people all around the world.

It's actually pretty easy to do. And so she said, so for her, it hasn't really changed. What has changed is she's not going out to dinner with her friends. She and her boyfriend are having virtual dinner parties with their buddies, They're chatting with mom and granny and everybody else. So they're living differently. And I think she made the good point that when we come out of this, more and more people will do what you and I are doing right now.

They will have found a workaround to the crisis that we're in. And we're going to all probably conclude, hey, there's some good things to this too. There are some good things to being able to live with your family, to choose where you want to live and how you want to work. So I think that we come out of this, really, as we always come out, of these revolutionary periods America does, we reinvent ourselves. You know, Eric, that actually is the thing that makes me most excited about this period, not just Trump and that revolution, but the silver lining in all this is that we Americans are going to reinvent ourselves.

We're in the process of doing that right now. And unlike every other country in the history of the world, every other country rises, it shines, and then it declines, and it never rises again. We're different. We rise, we shine, we decline a little while, we reinvent ourselves, technologically, industrially, geographically, economically, and then socially, and then we rise again. So I think we're in the middle of this creative destruction period. When we come out of it, we'll be different.

I think a lot better. We always have. So I have no reason to doubt we'll come out of this better, too. Based on what you've said, KT, and I don't want to put you on the spot, but if I do seek the highest office in the land, would you consider it? being my vice president. You got a deal. Thank you.

I just wanted to make that public. I know Albin heard it, and a few of our listeners heard that. I'd like to be vice president. I'd like to be in charge of transportation or something, something. Sure, sure. Why not? I think, honestly, what you just said

thrills me so much. That's why I react so effusively, because I have said it, and I've written about it in my book, if you can keep it, or I really alluded to it mostly. But I rarely hear anyone say that. Even my extremely dear friend, Cal Thomas, wrote a book, which is, it's all correct, everything he says.

But the implication is that empires rise and fall and that there are patterns. And I thought to myself, but here's the problem. There has never been anything like the United States of America. How can you possibly compare the Ottoman Empire or the Hittite Empire? or any empire, including the Roman Empire and the Greek Empire, you cannot compare them to the United States of America. There has never in the history of the world been a country that governs itself the way ours does, and that has the capability, as you're saying in your book Revolution, to continue to learn and change and improve. That itself is unprecedented in history.

It is completely unprecedented. And so, you know, I know that we're all supposed to be really depressed and really upset about the future. Yeah, it's going to be a rocky time. No doubt about it. And I'm in the vulnerable age. Who knows how my friends and my age group survived this. But I've got to say how much confidence I have in just, as you say, we're now on day three of this lockdown or this crisis. People are already figuring out how to deal with this.

People are already figuring out work around rules. And so what are we going to do in a week or two's time? We're going to reinvent everything. And if you look at American history, every time we've done it, we've come out the other side of difficult periods. But we've come out the other side more prosperous, more free, with more rights for more people. And so I have no reason to doubt that as we are reinventing ourselves now, only as individuals and how we live and how we work, but as a nation, we'll do it again. I mean, because we have every other single time. Why would we think we couldn't do it this time?

We will. Part of what may well come out of this difficult time is that our economy will become more efficient. Like you're saying, it's kind of like, you know, when capillaries find a way. It seems to me that right now we have an infinity of capillaries, finding ways, workarounds, as you said. from which we will never go back. We're going to find that this is better. And we would never do those things, if not for this crisis. I think that a lot of people, a lot of young people, and I praise the Lord that my daughter is among them,

are home from college, doing college at home. And I think as a result of that, a lot of people, parents and kids, are going to say, you know what, we like this better. We like this better for a number of reasons and maybe we will continue this. If that happens, I think that a lot of the major institutions will go under, that's creative destruction. I hope that most of the Ivy League goes under since they are just propaganda factories and ceased actually teaching anything bearing on reality

decades ago. But this can be an exciting time. So it's just wonderful to hear you say that. And remember, I'm reflecting my generation. I look at my children's generation. They're really enthusiastic about it. They see that there are opportunities of working from home, remote working, working from home, multi-generational living. We haven't done that in decades.

I mean, centuries in the United States. Maybe we start doing more of that. I do think we end up being more efficient. I think that we end up being an example to others. If you want to talk about the foreign policy, what the Chinese have shown us in the last several months, the last year, really. is that there is a big price to be paid for what they're doing, for their system.

And the price is that truth and freedom are the first things to die. And I hope that when we come out of this, we have a real reexamination of our domestic and our foreign policy, particularly our policy towards China. When we come back, I want to talk to you more about that. But before we go to the break, I just want to say that to me has been the most mystifying. thing of all. Maybe the happiest thing of this presidency is to see, it's almost like Daddy's home. And there were people menacing us with guns in the yard. And the previous people let that happen. Now Daddy's home. And he's dealing with that. It's amazing to me that

previous administrations have allowed China and other major countries get away with horrible things against us. And by us, I mean the American people that it's stopping. And I'm glad it is. We're going to be right back, folks, talking to KT. McFarland. Hey, folks, it's the Eric Metaxon. I have the pleasure of speaking with KT. McFarland. The book is revolution. We're talking about the subject of the book in all kinds of ways. KT, we were just talking about China and the regaging of our priorities with regard to foreign policy. And I was saying that I'm amazed, really sickened and amazed at how previous administrations in various levels of ignorance and naivete have allowed China to become the monster and the menace

that, unfortunately, today that it is. Under Clinton, of course, it was classic liberal naivete that we don't really believe in evil, but it was also classic conservative, fiscal conservative naivete that the market is God. And if we let the free market dribble over into China, they will all become tricorn hat wearing musket carrying, you know, members of the revolution of 1776. I mean, that level of naivete and then the Bush's unwillingness to deal with our friends in China, it's just amazing to me that it takes somebody like a Donald Trump to see what they really were educated and qualified to see and which he, frankly, has not been. Well, I think that the biggest problem that, I mean, it wasn't wrong to think and hope that China, as it became more prosperous, would have a more open society and a more open economy. That's what happened to Japan. That's what happened to South Korea. That's what happened in Europe. But when it didn't work that way, say eight, 10 years ago, instead of saying, well, let's have a reexamination of our relationship with China. Let's stop subsidizing them. Let's stop giving them everything in order to make them, you know, strong.

and trading partners, instead of having a real reckoning, all of our political leaders, Republicans and Democrats, Wall Street particularly, they were getting rich on it. They didn't want to stop. And so they were either scared because they didn't want to rock the apple cart. They didn't want to be unpopular. They didn't want to anger their donors. Or they were making too much money off of it.

So none of them ever called China out. And then some of them even concluded that it was too late to call China out. China is going to inevitably be. Their argument was China will become the world's largest economy, the world's most powerful country. Hopefully they're going to be more like us. And so we're just going to go along to get along. And Trump came up and said, you know, there's an elephant in the room, and I'm calling it out. Instead of just pretending the emperor has no clothes, he said he called it out.

And so I think that was the beginning of the trade wars, which we have been winning. But it now has taken a different form. And what the Chinese have shown in the last year is there's nothing benign or innocent about them between the Hong Kong riots and their suppression of Hong Kong between their imprisonment of the Muslim population, over a million people in Western, South West China, who happened to have a different religion that's now basically illegal and they put in concentration camps. and now particularly with this virus, the way they've handled this, the way they have crushed any criticism, anybody who spoke the truth, I think it should be a real flashing red light to all of us. This is how they would run the world when it's, if they become so powerful, they can do it. Well, I guess that's what I mean when I refer to the early naivete. Now, those, when we're talking about, you know, in the 90s, most favored nation status, it seems to me if somebody who's aware of the evils of common, and the evil in the world, someone like Ronald Reagan had been overseeing that, he would have done it very

differently. He would have trusted but verified. And I think that we went into it blithely and foolishly, and we allowed them to do terrible things. I mean, the idea that they can oppress their population with technology that we gave them. Right. Or they stole. Or they stole. And I guess then the question is, and why did we allow them to steal it? It just seems to me it's a kind of a piece, isn't it? I mean, isn't that what we're talking about? A lack of courage? I've never thought of it in those terms, but you're right. It is appeasement. It is, oh, everything's going to be all right. It'll all work out in the end. No, it's not going to all work out in the end. If the Chinese become the world leader, the superpower that sets the

rules, they're not going to be like America. If they all think that Chinese century will be the 21st century, they'll be in charge. They'll rewrite the rules. It's not going to be the benevolent America. It's going to be the China that you saw in Hong Kong, the China that you've seen in Wuhan, suppressing the information, the China that you've seen let this virus go worldwide and really destroying the entire world. I mean, Africa will probably end up being a ghost continent as a result of this. And yet, instead of even apologizing, they've now decided they're going to turn it all around and claim that it was all America's fault, that it's all somehow Donald Trump's fault. And there are lackeys in the intellectual community in the United States and the

press. They're just, you know, they got their marching orders. They're going to follow them. But hasn't it always been that way? I mean, we had Lillian Hellman and all kinds of people defending Stalin. You know, this is going back in the 30s. There have always been people in the cultural elite class who have sided with our enemies, who have seen America as the big troublemaker. And that continues to this day. It's, it's, it's extraordinary to me just to think that that has not changed. Well, and look at what the last three years. So the, let's say the House Democrats, the people are part of the Mueller Commission, the liberal media, they've done the Russians bidding. And the Russians, they tried to interfere with our elections, but, you know, it was pretty

lack of day. It really was kind of hand-handed. What they wanted to do and what they've succeeded in doing is to get us at each other's throats. So who, who. who's been doing their bidding has been those people. Now, it's come up with nothing, right? It turns out there was no collusion. There was no, you know, Donald Trump wasn't taking his orders. He's not the Manchurian candidate from Russia. But what they've done is that they've, as you said earlier,

they've really destroyed our faith or eroded our faith in our institutions. So those people have done Russia's bidding. But that's kind of over. Now whose bidding are they doing? They're doing China's bidding. They're now perpetuating this idea that somehow this is all Donald Trump's fault. and the Chinese are good people. We don't want to have them feel bad.

We don't want to discriminate against them. We don't want to call this the Chinese coronavirus because, you know, it hurt their feelings. Come on, look at what kind of a situation we're now in. They were willing to let the whole world. Millions of people suffer, the economy of the whole world, because at the end, they think they're going to come out on time. On this program, we officially call it the Kung Flu Pandidemic.

I just want you to know that. Mark, you can mark that down. Honestly, what has happened with the collusion of the journalistic class and the deep state and the Democrats, it's been so horrible. I guess my question to you is, do you think that this president will be able more than not to drain the swamp? Is he as aware as we would hope he is of the people working against him and frankly against the American people? Absolutely. I mean, I work for him, and I know him pretty well. He absolutely understands what the threat is. He has to get up every day and have the entire Washington Press Corps brain for his blood. He has to deal with congressmen and senators who really care much more about their own power and perpetuating it than they do about rescuing the American people from this pandemic. Look, Trump totally gets it. I think when he first started running, he did it really as like a New York businessman. What he looked at a balance sheet. America is a country that's going to bankrupt, and it's a badly run country. I can do this.

I know how to take companies. I hope I fix companies. So I think Trump ran as a businessman. But what I've heard from Jared Kushner and from others and Eric Trump is that once they started campaigning and tens of thousands of people showed up at these rallies, without any effort to get them there, all of a sudden it had a personal face to it. They saw the people who were suffering, the people who had been taken advantage of and sort of, kind of. cast aside, who had been ignored and exploited, and who were made to feel bad and humiliated if they ever spoke up for their own rights. And so I think it then became a cause. And I do think it's a cause. And I do think that Trump sees himself as a revolutionary leader. And, you know,

you've got to smash a little China if you're going to rebuild the China shop. And so I think that's what he's doing. And I think the amazing thing about him is he's very comfortable doing it. He's not afraid of anything. He doesn't go home and rethink it and think, ooh, they're criticizing me. He knows they are. He doesn't like it, but he never changes. I just think it's funny that, you know, when you say you've got to smash a little China, China's not that small. And I don't know if you intended the pun. I didn't intend the pun, but it's a good one. It's an extraordinary one.

The thing is, I guess, that he is dealing with people that are so deeply embedded. And I guess I just wonder if he really will be able. It seems to me he's done a great job with the GOP. that there are a lot of people that were wobbly, and he has given them spines, a number of them that are in the GOP, in the Congress and the Senate. But I'm still worrying about the bureaucracy. It's so huge. The idea that we're talking about a $2 trillion stimulus package or bailout or whatever it is, I'm just I'm concerned about the size of government as a conservative. Oh, sure.

And the problem, I think that if you go back and look at first September 11th, what happened? after that, well, George Bush created national security bureaucracy for a temporary problem, but then it never got dismantled. That became the new normal. And then Obama, when the economic crisis of 2008, he created yet a whole

another bureaucracy. And that became the new normal. And the worry for the downside of this is we create a whole other, and does that become the new normal? Okay, we're going to continue this conversation with KT. McFarland. Folks, it's the Eric Metaxus. Our website, Metaxus talk.com. Don't go away. Why would you? We'll be right back.

I put them all behind, and it was you right. Hey there, folks, back for final segment with KT. McFarland. The book is Revolution. KT, what else can we talk about? There is so much. You know, I think that when you said, are we going to be different when we come out of this crisis? First of all, you and I think we are coming out of this crisis.

A lot of people don't. I think remember, this is temporary and it will be fixed. My guess is that within a couple of months, we're going to have cures, we're going to have vaccines, and we'll just have to hunker down for the next. But what happens at the end of this? I mean, where is the world? That's my field, where is the world? And I think that if you look at the sort of geostrategic shifting is going to happen in the next two or three years,

the main confrontations are going to be between the two political systems of the United States and China. Can we live and can we coexist in a world together? I guess a big question. We have two very different systems, two very different ways of doing business. Can we do it fairly with each other? Big question. I think Europe is finished. The European Union, the concept of the European Union finished.

The small militaries that the European nations have right now, you know what they're doing with them? Putting them on the borders. Now, that was the whole concept of the United Europe, of the European Union, was that you wouldn't have these borders, these nations wouldn't fight each other, that they would have the free flow of ideas and people and commerce. And that's not working anymore. That concept is finished. I also think that the major event is that the United States will be energy independent and remain. And we're in an oil price war with the Saudis right now.

But at the end of the day, we don't need the Middle East anymore. And the Middle East, they can just go fight with each other until the end of time. We are going to be the predominant world's energy hub for the foreseeable future. So I think that when I look at the 21st century, you know, the Chinese have been running around the world for the last 10 years saying America's finished. Democracy doesn't work. Self-governance, you know, can't work. State capitalism is the way of the future authoritarian governments. We are now seeing the dirty underside of that, which is freedom dies.

Truth dies. And truth is whatever the Communist Party of China says it is. And so far they've done a pretty lousy job in the last couple of months. So I think we come out of this, a very, you know, the blinker, the blinders are off. I think that we see the world a little more realistically when we come out of it. And I have every confidence that is particularly because of this crisis, we, the United States, we Americans, we are now being forced. Would we have done these things?

Would we have done these workarounds, these technologies? Probably not. We are now being forced to do it. And I think it will force us to then retake the commanding heights of the technology revolution because we'll conduct it. The Chinese can't do this. They can't invent this stuff. That's where they have to steal it from us. That's where I have to borrow it from us.

And let's be honest. The reason that they can't, it's not a genetic or a racial. No, no, no. What it is, is that if you do not have freedom embedded in the culture and in the spirit of the citizenry, you cannot have the kind of creativity we have had in the United States of America. The reason jazz was invented here is because of that. You're not going to get these kinds of things coming from a bureaucratic. Europe or from a totalitarian China. That's just a fact. That's part of history. And I think you're

right. We're learning that right now. Yeah. And look at what we're doing in America. Everybody's doing their workaround. Do you think they're doing the workarounds in China? No. Do you think they're doing the work around in Russia? No. I mean, Americans, this is going to be a real burst of creativity and innovation. And I think ultimately entrepreneurial advancement in the United States. It's just kind of hard to go through now. But everybody's already looking at it. at the next step. So ultimately, I'm quite optimistic about the future as you and I sit in our bunkers. I think we get through this.

Our children's generation is going to be, you know, they're going to be the next greatest generation. You and I are baby boomers. I think we did okay, but not great. It's the next generation that's going to really be great. I think you're right. And I really do think that we have been with Trump, and you said this earlier in the conversation, that this is in fact a revolution.

It's an existential crisis the way that the Civil War was and the revolution was. It's an existential crisis where we either rediscover what it is to be free and what liberty is or it does die. Because let's face it, Franklin said, if we can keep it. If we don't keep it, it goes away naturally. It's not a normal state of affairs. So we have to keep it. but I think that we're being forced to see the beauty of it, the fragility of it, and thanks to the leadership of Trump, people are stepping up to do something about it.

So I am hopeful, but you've given me even more reasons to hope. Well, thank you. And I really appreciate the voice that you have in the nation today. It's a really important one and keep having it. Keep it on. I'm a little stunned that you're aware of it. I'm grateful, very grateful for you, KT. and we have to continue the conversation

because we're both hopeful that we're going to get through this and we know we're going to get through this, we will go back into our studio and at some point when you're back in New York, we'll have you in the studio and we can continue this important conversation because it is an important conversation

to help Americans and the rest of the world understand what works, why freedom works, why it is beautiful and noble and fragile and worth fighting and dying for. And I think that in recent generations we have forgotten that. We've not been teaching it to our kids.

This is an opportunity to wake up to that again and to do the things that we really haven't been doing since the 60s. So with voices like yours, I'm just really confident that can happen. So again, congratulations on the book Revolution. I know a lot of folks listening to this. Can't wait to get a copy. I'm among them. God bless you and to be continued.

Thank you so much. Thank you, Eric. Thank you. Bye. Thanks. Hey there, folks. Isn't that KT. McFarland amazing? Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. Isn't she amazing? We got to have her back when we get back in the studio, the actual studio, out of these bunkers. We're running out of oxygen. I don't know about you, but I'm starting to feel woozy. Okay. We have a special episode of Sadar's radar during this segment. Yes.

Albin, you are Alvin Sadar. What do we got? Well, I got to tell you, something came up on my radar. I think it was yesterday or something. I saw it on this website called American Thinker. There was an article called Whistling Past the Coronavirus Graveyard by a guy named Simon de Hundahut. This guy Simon wrote... The Hundahut.

It's got to be a made-up name, though, because I checked. Hundurhood means dog-house. And Simon de Hunde hood sounds like I'm in the dog house. Simon Dundahood. Yeah, well, whatever. Okay. Anyway, whistling past the American thinker. Yeah.

Go ahead. Okay. So this is from the 23rd, March 23rd. Whistling past the coronavirus graveyard. And he talks about how people are making, like the American way of doing things is when there's a big crisis, people make fun of it. Like they whistle past the graveyard. They'll be make fun of something as deadly serious as Corona.

and there have been articles and people saying like, look, I've had family members. One guy in particular had apparently his family member passed away. And he's like, it's time to stop joking about this. But everywhere you go, even at one of our favorite websites, Babylon B has a ton. Like half of the articles there are funny articles about this whole coronavirus situation. And people are not making fun of those who have it. They're making fun of the virus itself or the fact that you have to wear masks or you have to stand back, you know, six feet.

I think it's important to understand, Albin. And I've said this before in the program, that the one thing that we've learned is that joking is racist. Oh. I've said that on this program. I've said that joking is inappropriate during this time. Now, when I said that, I was myself joking, but I said it nonetheless. Please continue.

Okay. Well, Mike Roe, Mike Roe himself. We all like Mike Roe. He's been on this program before. Mike Rowe talked about this whole coronavirus situation, and he talked about his concept that he came up with about 2008 called Safety Third, where you can't, if you put safety first, you're not going to get anything done. Like you're afraid that you're going to get hurt by doing something. Who came up with this? That's funny. Yeah, Mike Rowe, our friend from Dirty Jobs, right?

Right. Safety has to be not first, and I'm not sure what he put second, but third happens to be. what he thinks of his safety. And he's talking about what's going to happen now with our economy. If we're afraid to go back out there, he pointed out to what happened when the Germans were bombing London back in World War II. After two weeks of everybody in London hiding in their bunkers, they decided to go out anyway, even though the bombs were going to drop because they did not want to be closed in and their way of life crunched down because they could not get out into the, into the open air, as it were. Now, Simon in this article says that what's worse than making jokes about it is politicizing this whole thing.

Because when you use politics, then you don't get stimulus packages passed. Or you complain about the name of the virus as opposed to you actually fighting the virus. So if we can all come together as Congress Republicans. Who hang, Tang, Klan virus? Well, you said, con flu, pandanemic. Yes. That's our name. Yeah.

So, of course, the comments on this article, the comments on this article are all just funny, you know, making fun of the fact that we've got this virus and all these different things that keep us caged up in our bunkers like us. You know, I just want to say something actually pretty serious right now. the fact of the matter is we have to be clear sometimes because, you know, when we joke around, people don't get the joke. That happens to me all the time. And that's, I know mostly my fault. But here's the issue.

When we're criticizing China or even calling this a China virus, we're talking about the Chinese government, not the Chinese people. The Chinese people in China and the Chinese Americans here in the United States, these are people who have suffered at the hands of the Chinese people. The Chinese government. The Chinese government has mishandled this. So when we say China has mishandled it, we don't mean the people. The people have suffered as a result of the government. So it's like criticizing Russia when it was the Soviet Union. The people running this government are oppressing its people. And I just want to be clear that if there's anybody out there dumb enough to think that the Chinese people are to blame or that would make a comment at a Chinese American, shame on you. And seriously, that is not what is at issue here. We need to

understand that anybody who is Chinese has been on one level or another a victim of the Chinese government that because of its malfeasance, its lack of transparency, it's evil, to put it bluntly, they have caused this to spread and all kinds of people to die, principally in the Wuhan province, but now all around the world. I mean, so we're talking about a government and we're talking about totalitarian dictatorship. We're not talking about an ethnicity. I just want to be clear about that.

Sorry to get so serious. No, no, that's absolutely true. Chris, what do you have to say about all this? He unmute yourself. Chris? Sorry, I'm in a, I'm trapped in a home full of seven other humans. So while I'm not affected, you know, with the virus yet, I am drowning in my own way here at home.

As long as you're safe in your bunker in the bosom of your home, that's what, that's what, that's what matters. Yeah. This is a weird time. Yeah, we have a labradoodle. We've got a lot of great videos and programs that we're going to be running this week, a lot of interviews that we're going to continue to run this week. I don't think we've decided on what we're running tomorrow, but the point is these bunker videos are a staple. we're here for you. Whether you like it or not, whether it's helping or hurting, we're here for you.

Right. By the way, coming up on the, at the end of this week, John Smirak will be back and ask metaxus. Really? Yes. I've got to come up with answers. I hope I can see the questions. Okay. Will I be able to see the questions or do I just have to put out answers and then you match them up? No, I think we're going to send them to you ahead of time so you can do some homework. That would be great. I think we should be a speed round. Maybe a speed round. Actually, that would be fun.

That would be fun. Well, we're basically at a time. We've got one final segment. Oh, my goodness. Oh, we forgot to mention honorbound coffee. Go to honorbound coffee. com. They're helping military families.

Check it out. It's the greatest stuff ever. We'll be right back. Hey, there, folks. Isn't K-T. McFarland? Amazing. Amazing. Is there, am I, am I chewing? I hope I don't have food in my teeth because my sweet daughter, who's home, she made me an egg sandwich.

And she never does stuff like that. So I'm really touched. I'm really touched. Okay. So the thing is that KT. McCrawlin is amazing. We're going to talk to her for most of the next hour. Now, if this is hour two for you, because we're replaying this segment twice, we're, we're, Here's the bottom line.

We're talking to her for both hours today, and she is absolutely amazing. But as I think, as I was saying earlier, we got to do some business here. So first of all, we want to remind you, one of the sponsors on this program is food for the poor. They come to us and they say, will you please ask your audience to give because we are in Guatemala feeding the poorest of the poor? It's mind-blowing stuff. You can go to their website, but you can go to our website, metaxistock.com, and click on the banner. And you'll see astoundingly, I mean, it makes no sense. For $80, you're able to feed a kid for an entire year.

Now, Food for the Poor is a hugely reputable organization. They're able to leverage donations from around the world of rice and beans and those sorts of things to get this food up into the mountains to some of these. rural villages where they have the worst malnutrition in the western hemisphere. So this is very serious. While we're going through our problems, it often helps to think of those who are less fortunate than we. So if you give $320, and some of you have been very generous and done that, that feeds a family of four for an entire year. And all of this, $80 and the 320 includes water for life. They are drilling wells and digging wells because lots and lots of these folks do not

have clean drinking water. They travel for miles to get water, which is itself not clean. Sometimes they collect what little rainwater they can get, and they store it in places that are themselves not clean. It's a horrible situation. Here's the great news. We can do something about it. We can't do anything today about the coronavirus, but we can do something about this. So I want to encourage you to go to our website, mettaxistock.com. You'll see the banner for food for the poor. And Alvin, we are Friday announcing our grand prize winner, right? Yes, we are. And also, who gives $100 gets Metaxus super for the year. Is that right? That is true. And also, there's a phone number you can call. So it's 844-863-hope. 844-8-63 hope. Call that

phone number and donate whatever you can get in on the grand prize drawing coming up this Friday. Okay. 844-863 hope. I hope there are people that are going to do that. 844-863 hope. We do need your help. These are tough times. We haven't been able to raise the money that we normally would, and it's important that we do.

So I want to encourage you 844-863 hope. Or just go to our website, metaxus talk.com. you'll see the banner there. I also want to say I put this out there every time we do something like this. If anybody wants to have dinner with me or me and Albin and Chris or whatever you want to do, we want to spend the evening with you. Anybody who gives $10,000 to this extraordinary charity, this is tax deductible and it's going to an amazing cause. We want to thank you by spending the evening with you, getting to know you.

It's always a blessing to get to know the folks who are. are so generous with organizations that we believe so strongly in. And you know that we believe in food for the poor. We vet these organizations that we don't just work with anybody. We want to work with people that we really trust and have been vetted by other members of the Salem team who have visited with them, who have gone on mission trips with them like our friend Tom Trat up. So we're at a time in this hour. In both hours, KT. McFarland is our guest.

Don't miss it. God bless you. Stay strong. God is with us. He'll get us through it. damn what