The Eric Metaxas Show - Kyle Thompson

Episode Date: December 23, 2022

Kyle Thompson is on a mission to equip men to take a bold stand against evil in these dark times; he shares ideas of how to live an "undaunted life" from his Unafraid Podcast.

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We couldn't afford that this year. It's just me and Albin talking. But sometimes we talk about fun stuff. We have amazing guests, as you'll see in a moment. Yeah. But because we're in the Christmas season, Albin, I thought we've kept saying we're going to do this and we've never done it. I think we should do it today. Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. We said, we keep saying that, you know, well, first of all, people often say when we talk about all the troubles that we're having in the world, people say, what can I do to help? Well, I have said one of the things you can do is support this program. share our interviews that we have on Rumble. If you go to Eric Mataxis.com, we will send them to you along with other fun stuff and pictures and things. EricMetaxx.com, just sign up for the newsletter, I guess, is my point. But one other thing you can do is support those we work with, our sponsors, like Mike Lindell at my pillow by using the code, Eric. But we've kept saying that we were going to tell people what they can get at.

at my store.com. My store.com, if you use the code, Eric, there are so many wacky products. I'm always talking about the fact that your signed books are there. I'm sorry, my signed books are there along with the Bonhofer poster. These are like superb Christmas gifts, okay? The Bonhofer poster is next level. It's glorious, I'm telling you. Like, it's just a beautiful, we worked hard on getting the image and doing everything and

paying getting the rights. It's the Bonhofer poster. but if you want to know what other products are at my store.com, which you can use the code, Eric, Albin, you have helpfully highlighted a few of them. So can we talk about a few of those right now? Yeah, in fact, I sent a couple to you because I thought they were wonderful, but I'm looking at one right now. It's called goat kisses, goat milk, lip balm. So it's goat kisses. It's made out of goat milk and it's lip balm only at my store. Ladies and gentlemen, these are some kooky gifts. Would you expect any less from Mike Lindell? MyStore.com loaded with cookie. Serious gifts, Bonhofer posters, Eric Mataxis books, but also loaded with cookie gifts,

but also kind of cool. One of them, the one that I wanted to highlight, the flip-it tissue box holder. Albin, have you seen that one? Yeah, I saw that too. Yep. The flipet tissue box holder. If you go to my store.com and you look at the products, the flip-it tissue box holder. the flip a tissue.

This is like hilarious. It is a tissue box holder. It's like a shelf, right? And you flip the tissue box over so that you're pulling down. You're pulling the tissues down. And when you look at it, you're going to go, you know what? I like that. I want that.

I'm going to get that for so-and-so for Christmas. I mean, just there's crazy stuff. There's the refresh. I'm going to laugh. I'm going to laugh. These are all, and we're not making this up. If you go to my store.com and you use the code, Eric. All of these products are available to you.

Okay, there's one called Refresh Liquid Wipe, toilet paper, foam. Can you explain this one, Albin? I don't know. I didn't read the description. I was laughing. I would think you'd read it.

It's Refresh Liquid Wipe, toilet paper, foam. Yeah. I don't know if it's paper or foam. I think it's foam in the place. in the place of paper. Is this a European thing? I don't know.

Well, I hope that people are just driven mad by the curiosity of what is this product and that they'll go to my store.com. They'll use the code Eric to purchase whatever they want, but they will investigate what is refreshed liquid wipe toilet paper foam.

I'm just going to let that hang there for a second. Let it sink in, so to speak. Okay, here's another one. Here's another one. one. These products, I feel like this is called American ingenuity, like people coming up with stuff, you think I've never heard of this in my life. There's, this is nuts. At my store.com, they have a product called no holes, no holes, exclamation point. And it's, it basically, I guess it says, all natural formula stops most dog breeds over 98% from digging holes in yards, flower. beds under fences or disturbing garbage cans, rain guard technology for long-lasting applications,

stops cats from digging in flower pots and raccoons from disturbing garbage cans, harmless to plants and animals when used as directed. So if you've got a problem with your pet is digging holes, no holes can solve that problem only available as far as I know at my store.com using the code, Eric. Are we making this up? No, listen. If somebody from the mafia picks you up and wants you to dig your own grave. You use that thing. No holes, guys. No host guys. Yes, it's always good to keep it in your purse, ladies, in case, you know, the mafia wants you to dig your own grave. Very useful application. There's another one here which it's called Pet Seder Spray, designed using the latest technology to help keep your animals safe from viruses and bacteria, performs multiple

functions ranging from soothing skin irritation to softening pet fur. This spray also, also helps eliminate bad breath. Little Georgie has a breath problem. I think I need to get PetSetter from my store.com. It says helps eliminate bad breath and other pet odors recommended by veterinarians and trainers like provides safe treatment remedies that are suitable for most animal animals used by trainers.

Pet seller spray is perfect for cleaning wounds, rope burns, hoof problems, and other skin irritations. What? I got to tell you, I mean, I wrote Slycraft's catalog. of stuff. And a lot of this stuff seems to be, like, right from my book, we have dog slippers in there and stuff like that. It's like, and lawn lather and things like that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, there's dog slippers. Alvin, share with the group here. We're here for this.

Well, you know, your dog likes to lie around the house all the time, but, but is he really comfortable? No, you've got to get the little slippers to put on his paws. Oh, you mean, this is a joke. This is not at my store. Well, that's the thing. That's right. That's from Slycraft's catalog, but there's a stuff in there that Like it's now, it's like 30 years later and now you're seeing products that are like that at my store.com. Okay. All right. Anyway, we're going to, I think we're going to highlight some more of these because listen, you need Christmas gifts. These are fun ideas.

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Kyle Thompson is my guest. Kyle Thompson is my guest. And I want to tell you, he is the man behind something called Undaunted Life. We've met a couple of times. I've been on his podcast, which is called Undaunted Life. life, the mission of undaunted life is equipping men to push back darkness. Clear enough for you? Kyle Thompson, welcome with the program.

I'm so happy to be here. Let's get after it. Well, let you tell me when, how do you get into this? Because, you know, give us your background because you've had all kinds of guests on the podcast, Undaunted Life, many of whom I know, you've had me on. But how did you, how did you get into this? this thing about wanting to help men be men and push back the darkness. How did that work?

How did that happen? Yeah. So I became, so I'm from Oklahoma. And so just by virtue of being born on red dirt, apparently I'm supposed to just believe in Jesus and believe in God and all those types of things. Yes. But I became, yeah, but I became a Christian as a teenager, as a 10th grader. And so if you look at that timing-wise, around the same time, I'm learning to become

a Christian, whatever that means. I'm learning to become a man, whatever that means. And so, Eric, there was this dichotomy for. me where the manly men were outside the church doing man stuff and all the godly men were inside the church with their church tucked in and you know saying they'll pray for me and their soft handshakes and all that and I was like so I had this dichotomy as I'm learning all this and I was like okay this is a little bit weird but you know I'm learning the game here but as I got into my early 20s I was like wait a minute there are dudes that are pretty rough dudes that are rough

around the edges they got you know broken noses like me and messed up ears like me and you know maybe they do things that are kind of outside of the normal manhood thing inside of the church. And I'm like, these people aren't here. Why aren't they here? Why aren't they inside these walls? And so I knew a lot of the president. Because many churches are feminized. Is that a good guess? Shocking revelation there from you. But yeah, breaking news to everybody listening. And so, I mean, it goes back. And I'm sure we'll talk about a letter to the American church. But let's talk about the feminized pastor that basically allowed the brown church to run wild in the Nazi party to rise to prominence. But, you know, we'll digress from there. And so I started to think through some

things. I did some men's ministry things. Most of the men's ministries, Eric, that I was a part of, were actually just women's ministries that were repackaged for men, right? Most of the... That's kind of funny, but true. Yeah, but like, same thing. The U-Version Bible app, which is, I think, the most downloaded app on the planet, that was designed by the church I was going to at the time. The devotionals on the app that were four men were kind of like that. They were kind of four women, and I was trying to read them, and I'm like, these things are terrible. So I told the staff,

I didn't like them. They're like, okay, tough guy, write your own. I did. It became, I think, at one point the second most read men's devotional on the actual app behind the pastor that helped create the app. And so I was like, okay, there's something here, but I'm not like you. I don't like writing that much. Like I'm decent at it, but I don't like it. It might be decent at it, but I never said I liked it. It's just what I do, man. Well, it's your calling. It's your calling for sure. Okay. But thank you. Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. So just to wrap up that, that little part, it's basically the medium that lends itself to putting five or six bullet points on a sheet of paper and flowing for 45 minutes is podcasting.

So started the podcast back in 2017 so that I wouldn't have to write more stuff, even though I did end up doing that. And then it's just kind of evolved to where it is today where we're going to tackle faith culture and politics. We're going to do it unapologetically. We're going to hit the topics that pastors are too scared to talk about because if the men are not equipped to push back darkness, darkness will rain, and I'm not down with that. Wow.

That's a pretty good summation, Kyle Thompson, of Undaunted Life. Now the website is undaunted. Dot life. Yes, sir. Not.com. Dot life. Undaunted dot life. Well, because you and I have talked, you know, we understand that you cannot be a Christian in any real sense if you're a man without understanding God made you to be a man.

It's not the same thing as being a woman. it's different and that's God's intentional design. And so we're living in a culture. Look, the culture has always been broken and sinful, but right now it's becoming overtly messed up on this very issue. I mean, it's been messed up on this issue for a long time. But now you actually have people genuinely trying to deconstruct the whole idea of being a man or being a woman. and you realize they're at war with God.

This is God's intentional design. This is called reality. Ladies and gentlemen, it's called reality. It's inescapable. God made you and he made me. And a simple blood test can tell you whether you are a man or a woman. It's that simple. And it goes to the core of all of reality in the universe.

And we're being told, no, no, no, no, no, no, move on. Forget about that. And so, Kyle, you kind of figured this out. And we both know, too, that when you have a pastor who gets this, men are flocking to these churches. Like, if you find a pastor that gets this stuff that we've talked about, men are flocking to the churches. They're saying that kind of Christianity, that appeals to me. And we are seeing more and more of it. And I get more and more invited to churches where the pastors are like this.

They get it. but you and I have talked about how it's sort of been baked into the to the church model over the decades that, you know, the number one Christian virtue is to be nice or something, which obviously Jesus didn't get that memo when he flipped over the tables and, you know, he didn't understand that. No, no, no, no, no, you're supposed to be nice. So talk about how you, when you said I wanted to do what it is that you're doing, where are you in life? married kids. So married two kids. I have two boys

that are under the age of three, so a two-year-old and an eight-month-old. They are going to be the most toxicly masculine boys that you will ever meet in your entire life, but they will also be warrior poets. These are not just going to be guys that are driving around doing four-wheel drive, having, you know, beard, smoking cigars, and eating beef jerky and chasing women. That's caricature masculinity.

But to kind of get back to what you were talking about with the churches. The interesting thing is churches treat men's ministry two ways. They either don't do it at all, or they do a once a year men's event where they feed the guys meat and have some, you know, former football player come in and talk about how he used to do cocaine and chase women and he doesn't do that anymore and, you know, how God saved him and all that's fine, but that's not men's ministry.

What churches need to focus on, Eric, is not men's ministry. They need to focus on their churches being man friendly. And so that goes into all areas of the church. So when you're thinking about the songs you're going to sing, is it in a key that guys can hit? Are the lyrics, homoerotic in nature where these men feel like they're singing to Jesus as if he's there, his soft feature Danish boyfriend. Is that basically what we're doing here? But the same thing with, and you know this, if a man doesn't feel needed,

he will go somewhere where he does feel needed. And so Sunday mornings, they feel needed on the shooting range. They feel needed on the driving range. They feel needed in their next fantasy football drop. They feel needed in their room where they're playing video games with people from around the world. They will go where they're needed.

And so churches should be blinking neon signs. Jordan Peterson talks about this all the time. Blinking neon signs, men, we don't just want you. We need you here. And church is for you. But a lot of our kind of mealy-mouthed postmodern pastors, we don't want a man to tell us to be nice all the time. Because you talked about Jesus overturning the tables. We actually have evidence if you look at kind of the timeline of the Gospels.

He didn't do that once, Eric. He did that twice. He did that at the beginning of his ministry and towards the end of his ministry. And so this is premeditated righteous aggression from the son of God. And now that doesn't mean we only turn over tables, but that's why I've got to line by. Right. But no, seriously, when you think about that, I talked about this just recently someplace, but it is in response to injustice and corruption and evil.

And a real man gets angry when he sees corruption and cruelty and evil. And he wants to do something about it. And sometimes it's turning over. tables, it's getting people's attention and saying, this will not stand. I will not stand for this. That is appropriate. Now, it can become inappropriate. Anything, any good thing can become a bad thing. But we have to restore a vision of what it is for us that we are protectors. When we see something wrong, when we see something being attacked, we want to do something about it. That's healthy, folks. That's healthy. So you want to channel it in the way that God wants you to channel it. But to

shut it down, that's not God's plan. It's certainly not God's plan. And the other part of it is, and I've noticed this, and of course, you're big in the Christian space and the conservative space. Conservatives and Christians have been convinced, as you said earlier, that being nice is the utmost virtue. And that being, I guess, weak and being unassuming is also the utmost virtue. But there's nothing virtuous about a weak man that is incapable of violence.

Because when you talk about meekness, we in our modern parliament, we see that as weakness. You know, we want Jesus meek and mild, carrying a lamb, going around, kissing people in the tips of their noses, telling them how cute they look in their tunics. But we neglect the lion of Judah because the lion of Judah is scary to us. The lamb of God. Yeah, lions are scary. Let's just go with the lamb. Yeah, lions are scary.

They're hard to control. The lions have testosterone and they're virile and all those different things. Like I get it. But if that's what you give to men, what you're doing is you're making them incapable of pushing back against darkness. because a lot of Christians and a lot of conservatives, they get to this point where, okay, you push me, you push me, you push me, and they're back against the wall, and they're like, hey, now,

you don't want to see me if I get angry. Say, you better back off before I get angry. The problem is, is the war will be over someday, Eric. And conservatives and Christians will have woken up and realize, I never picked up my sword. And by the way, folks, if you don't do something, guess who's going to do something, the state, they'll just step in, right?

And those people will take away your guns, we'll take away, whatever. You just sit in the corner there and will take care of everything. That's really not God's model either. We'll be back. We're talking to Kyle Thompson, undaunted.

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I didn't see you come in. My name is Eric Metaxis. I'm talking. to Kyle Thompson. He's an Oklahoma native, and he started this thing called Undaunted Life in 2017. The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness. We were talking a moment ago, Kyle, just about, you know, the feminized church. And I want to say that this goes back at least in America to the mid-19th century. Mark Twain was kind of repulsed by what passed for Christianity when he wrote his book Huck Finn. Huck was kind of like a bad boy, right? Not really bad, but he was not, you know, up to Aunt Polly's standards, right?

He was doing this and doing that, getting in trouble and stuff. Mark Twain understood that church life in America had become all about these bitties, these old bitties, who were all about moralism and be nice and, you know, make sure your clothes is nice when you go to church. That became church culture in America for a lot of people in the 19th century, and that is repulsive to men. It's why flipping ahead 100 years, you have Norman Rockwell creating that classic image of the man in his bathrobe, looking at the newspaper, kind of hiding as the wife takes the kids off

to church. That is at the heart of the American religious experience, is that churches have traditionally. not understood what we are talking about. And it's high time that that changed, folks, because the reason we are in the hellhole we're in in this culture is because of what we're talking about right now. So Kyle Thompson, who is the man behind undaunted life, what do you see happening in the culture today? I mean, I see a lot of positive evidence that guys like you are really getting this. So first of all, you're canceled for mentioning that book, Huckleberry Finn, because obviously there's words in there that we're not allowed to use.

And the funny thing about that, we have a book list on our website, the 100 books every modern Christian man should read lists. Is atheism Dead is featured prominently on that list. So is a book by Mark Twain. And, you know, it's just one of those books that it's very important for men to understand these different categories and men need to be readers. But I'll digress from there. What we see in Colt? Which book? Which book by Mark Twain? So the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

You're serious. So Huck Finn is on your list? Absolutely. My book is on a list that Huck Finn is also on. I'm excited about that. Mark Twain doesn't get better than Mark Twain. Well, the cool thing about that list is there's a bunch of categories. So there's categories about money and there's categories about theology and categories about apologetics and history and all those different things.

And so yours is featured in the Christian category and that's in our literature category. But the thing about what's happening currently in our culture is obviously we're downstream of postmodernism. The church has allowed that to happen. And the thing is, is if you control capital T truth, right, actual truth, tangible truth, you also control facts. And so the thing about it, and we've seen this, whether it's we're talking about elections or you're talking about whether a woman is actually a woman or any of those different things. If you can destroy truth, then the facts become whatever you want them to be. Because what undergirds truth are facts. So I mentioned this on my show recently.

Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States. that's undergirded by a lot of truths that, you know, he came after the 15th president and before the 17th president. There was an election. He got more votes than the other guy. And like there's all these things that undergird what truth is. But in postmodernism, the lie that Satan told in the garden is carried forward all the way through to the day we're in now. Did God actually say? Did he really say that homosexuality was wrong?

Did he really say that? Did he really say that there were only two genders? did he really say, I mean, I just saw recently where someone thought that Jesus was transgender, and they presented all this evidence as to why Jesus was transgender and had a transgender body. Did he really say? And the thing is, talking about what you talked about, you know, mid-19th century, even before that, two big times led to this degradation of manhood, specifically in the church. You had World War I and World War II, where all the strong, able-bodied virile men were off dying in some hellhole in Europe. And you also have the Industrial Revolution, which took a lot of men out of the homes, took a lot of men out of their communities. And so what's left in the church, the old, the sick, the weak, and the young.

And so you have these pastors that are now catering their content, catering their sermon content, the musical content to the bitties that you were talking about. And you're shocked when you look up one day and where are all the sheep dogs? Where are all the Christians that are okay with pushing back darkness? They're not there because they've been communicated to this is not for you. And so we have a church that is downstream from culture. And here we are sitting here flummicks like, how did this actually happen? And it's like, well, you just follow the steps and this is where we are.

Well, that's beautiful, Kyle Thompson. A lot of guys get this and more and more getting it. I don't want to forget because these ideas flit through my head. Nancy Piercy, with whom I had the privilege of working back when I worked for Chuck Colson, has written a book that's coming out. I don't know if it's next month or, but very soon on this issue of masculinity and traditionally. how we got here that touches on some of this stuff. But we'll have Nancy Piercy on to talk about that.

All of her books are spectacular. But it's important that we understand how this happened and how if we don't figure this out and push back, God, you know, when you talked about the lion, there's the classic passage in C.S. Lewis's Narnia Chronicles when they ask, is the lion? Christ's figure, the lion Aslan, is he tame? And the answer is no. He is not tame. He is wild, but he is good. And this, we have to recapture this idea of goodness that is also untamed.

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So you've got a podcast, which, are you doing that weekly? Is that a weekly podcast? Yeah, so we release three episodes a week. Three a week. Holy cow, that's awesome. I know I've been on there, but you've had a lot of wonderful people on there. Manly men like Phil Robertson.

I love Phil Robertson so much. I had the privilege of actually going duck hunting with him down in the swamps. Nice. But he's someone that, you know, you don't need to spend a minute with him before you realize he gets this stuff. And it's why I think he's so appealing to so many people because so many people, they have an innate sense that something's wrong and they're looking around. And when they see that kind of manliness coupled with godliness, they go, oh, I figured that had to exist someplace, but it's just not typically on display. Well, the thing with Phil, because I've been able to spend some time with Phil, I've been on their show a couple of times, that man is marinated. in the scriptures. He doesn't read it. He doesn't study it. He's marinated in it. We're doing this

interview. He's on my show. And he's in his chair, right? His chair in his living room. And he's got his Bible out there. And I'm just letting him go. Like I didn't do 75% of the questions I wanted to ask him because he's like, hey, man, look you here. And he just flips over to, you know, versus scripture. And he's, he's applying it to what we're talking about and applying it to culture. And the thing that we do, Eric, is we think the solutions are more complicated than they actually are. I just taught my Sunday school about Galatians 2. This is where the part where, you know, Paul rebuked Peter for, you know, basically accepting what the Judaizers were doing, which was, hey, you got to be Jewish. So it's, you know, it's grace through faith, yes,

but then also you have to become Jewish, which is quite the commitment for an adult, Gentile male. But at the same time, it's like we want to add stuff to the gospel because it seems too simple. We want to add stuff to how we can fix culture because it seems too simple. We want to add stuff to whatever thing in culture that we have a problem with because it just seems, the solution seems way too simple. But then you have a guy that's got this kind of downhome, backwood's very, very simple way of approaching the earth and approaching everything inside of the earth. And he says, what we need is more of God. We don't need more government. We don't need more pundance. We don't need more opinion hosts. We don't need more podcast hosts like me. We need more

of God. And so we need more people that are pointing people to the father. So when people focus on me, I try to reflect that off and point them back to the father, which is what a good pastor would do, of which I am not. But that's the thing that we just, we miss out on it because we're like, it just can't be that simple. Well, when we think of most of the men in scripture too. We have to understand that, you know, who was soft and effeminate and maybe Herod? John the Baptist was a wild man living out in, you know, the equivalent of the woods, out in the middle of nowhere, eating locusts and honey and where. I mean, that idea, that wildness at the heart of who God wants men to be, as we've been saying.

saying it's been lost. It's been, it's been, uh, manicured and, and, and I have to say that, um, it's why we are where we are. You said it before that if men do not stand up and fight. Now, this is not to say that women aren't to stand up and fight as well. You know, we got these mama bears wanting to pick the, that's, that's healthy and normal. But I'm saying that if men do not step up and do this, you get what we have today, which is to say the government will do everything. You don't have to do anything. You don't need to have a gun. We've got guns. We'll take care of that, whatever. Even, I mean, I remember, you know, when we got this sort of professional military, it's kind of like, no, we're going to farm this out to the professional class. You guys,

you know, that's fine. Just you go shopping. And you think, well, there's something messed up about that. because if my country is being attacked or what's important is under attack, I need to step up. We all need to step up in our way. And that used to be part of who we were as a nation. And over the decades, that's changed. And it's been kind of farmed out to the professional military class. And it disables us from doing part of what God made us to do.

When also we look at the government, I know you've talked about this a lot on your show, we look at the government to solve our problems. That's our default mechanism when there is an issue that we run into is what can the government do to step in here? Whereas not that long ago, and that's not some bygone era, not that long ago, it was like, what can this community do? Because guess what? If somebody in my Sunday school or someone in my church, if they're hurting, if they can't pay the mortgage if somebody's sick or, you know, somebody dies or something like that, guess what? Me and my guys, we're going to work in that situation and we're going to deal with it. And there have been guys that have come to me and the guys that are in my foxhole that have needed protection.

they've needed help moving. They've needed help taking care of this or that issue. And we've built a community that allows for that. And these are people that weren't looking to daddy government to take care of them. They were looking to a community of rugged believers to hop in and help them in every area of their life when they so choose and when they need it. And that's something that we've devalued in our culture because it's like, we don't really need to do that.

And then you have these pastors that are like, you know what? I'm going to be known for what I'm for, not what I'm against. and then that's their excuse to not push back against into any of this cultural degradation. Well, there's a lot of problems inside the church. Let's deal with that first before we push back against abortion. You know what the problems are on the church? What you just said. I mean, it's unbelievable when people talk about that.

And you know, because you had me on your program talking about my book letter to the American church, to not speak against evil is to be complicit with evil. To say, well, that's not my lane. Yes, it is your lane. It is your lane as a man, as a Christian. It is your lane. And when you somehow twist things theologically so that you can get out from doing that, you're really, you're cutting off the limb that you're sitting on, folks.

This is your job. I need to read this tweet to you. This is a guy here recently. I'll be quick. So he's a faculty member at a seminary. This guy's, this is apparently a real person, Dr. Kevin M. Young. So he tweeted this, right? Oh, I think I saw this.

All right. I'm bracing myself. I've been chewing on this response to my tweet. I've realized that, for me, gay marriage actually paints a more beautiful semiotic of Christ and his church than a mere hetero one. God's kingdom is diverse in makeup, experience, and belief, but one thing unites above all. Love. Okay, excuse me, here's the problem. As soon as he used the word semiotic, I wanted to shoot him with both barrels in love.

When you use the word semiotic, I'm like, you know what? I'm out because it's, there are. words like that, it's like Christology. There are words when people use it. I'm like, okay, dude. Yeah, wait a minute. Red flag. Red flag. Flag on the field. I am out when you use the word semiotic. I mean, look, first of all, it's wrong. It's really stupid what he said.

But it's so funny, you dress it up with the word, a more powerful semi-eater. Like, no, no. Actually, that's not even true, but just for using that word, you're out, and I'm out. We'll be right back talking to Kyle Thompson, undaunted dot life. Hope for Janice and Jen. And mom and dad can hardly wait for school to start again. Hey, folks. I'm talking to my man, Kyle Thompson, who is a man. And we're talking about a lot of stuff here.

People can find you at undaunted. Life. So you just read that tweet, which, look, sometimes, honestly, Kyle, I think, like, we were casting pearls before swine by even engaging. Like, it's so dumb. The only rational thing is to look away or to run away or to just do anything, go mow the lawn or shovel the snow. Because it's so stupid. There are people that are so messed up and lost that they would write something that dumb. And I want to weep because I know a lot of these types of people.

And, you know, they're not getting it on any level. But I think sometimes arguing with them is almost becomes a, foolish because the only thing you can say is what he said is wrong and preposterous and even to engage is just it's just silly well there's so much here how many people saw this and thought yeah that sounds plausible the number of times he used the word i in the tweet as opposed to what god says so his you know dialectic is basically whatever i believe and whatever makes me feel happy and where i'm in my fields but a guy like this he's got his pronouns in his bio which of course he does i go to his website he lists as one of his skills as in

but apparently he doesn't mean in terms of what the Bible says and what he's supposed to be teaching people about it. But I put this on my Instagram and I put it out there and I tagged him in and he responded like, oh, I don't really like the tone of this and everything. I'm like, come on my show. I would love for you to defend what you said. He didn't, this is going to be a shock to you in your audience. This is a type of guy that doesn't want to engage in a dialogue where he has to defend his positions. He just wants me to blindly and syncophantically be like, yeah, you're right and you're loving and you're doing it correctly. But I'm sorry, like I'm going to give you the audience and I'm going to be fair and I'm just going to hit record and not edit, but he's unwilling to do that. But how many guys are out there like this,

these charlatans that basically put this nonsense out into the ether and people attach themselves to and say, yeah, yeah, I really like it. Well, let me ask you a question. Is this guy like some kind of a pastor? Where is he located? So why would anybody go to that quote unquote church? Like, I don't get this. Yeah, so I think he's a former pastor. And then I tagged his seminary. And the seminary works at his Northwind Seminary, whatever that means. And so, So this is a guy that is teaching other people how to view the Bible and how to view things. And this is the worldview he's espousing. Obviously, the moment you put your pronouns in your bio, that helps me fill in a lot of the blanks about your resume and who you are as a person.

And I know that that's kind of cheating because there's a lot of, you know, aspects of who a person is. But he's not unique, Eric. How many seminaries do exactly this stuff and how many people, you know, are going to be running churches something? Look, that's why, folks, if you go to a church. church that doesn't get this stuff, stop going yesterday. If you don't, you're part of the problem, folks. You know, if you're giving money to a church like that or supporting a church that isn't crystal clear on this, we are in a war for the souls of our children. And the idea that somebody would hire somebody from a seminary who has someone like this, what's it called a

North Wind Seminary? North Wind Seminary. North Wind Seminary. Okay. I don't know where they are. or what they're pumping out, but it doesn't seem like it's getting much done. Well, I'm downwind. I'm downwind from Northwind, and it smells terrible. So we'll kind of just leave that one there. I was going to say, man, that's rank just based on that one tweet. Ouch. That's been lying out there in the field for a long time.

No, it's kind of, it's kind of, I have to laugh and I have to make fun of it because it is just so silly, so patently preposterous. when people say things like that. And I want to say that, you know, if he didn't say it in such a silly way, I mean, when you use the word semiotic, like I said, like you think I'm not going to mock you. God made me to mock you when you use words like that. Right. They deserve our ridicule.

We're at a time. It's fun talking to you, Kyle. We've got to get you back on here. But in the meantime, people need to check out undaunted. Dot life. Undaunted. dot life, Kyle Thompson. God bless you, my friend. Thanks, Eric.