The Eric Metaxas Show - L.A. Marzulli

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

L.A. Marzulli shares his incredible book "Rungs of Disclosure: Following the Trail of Extraterrestrials and the End Times".

Welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show. Do you like your gravy sick and rich and loaded with creamy mushrooms? If no one was looking, would you chug the whole gravy boat? Chug, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug. Stay tuned. Here comes Mr. Chugg-a-lug-lug himself, Eric Mat, Texas. Hey there, folks, it's Monday. Chris Himes, let me be very clear.

It's Monday. Do you understand, Monday? Happy Monday. And what is the etymology of Monday? Monday. Monday? Yeah, that seems right. Normally I know this stuff.

I think it comes from the Greek word that describes when everything goes wrong and you're late. No, that's wrong. You're making that up. You're making that up, Chris. No, it's, well, anyway, here's the bottom line. It's Monday. Yesterday was Sunday. And I am now in Miami, Florida at the Trump Golf Course Hotel.

And why am I here? Because I'm taping an eight-hour course on Dietrich Bonhoeffer, on the life of Dietrich Bonhofer. I'm doing it for Peterson Academy. That's Jordan Peterson's new venture. So eight hours in-depth with me talking about Dietrich Bonhofer and cracking some jokes, cracking some jokes, but very sly jokes. It's kind of like in the book. I've reread the book several times recently, and I realize there's a lot of sly jokes in the book. If you're a careful reader, if you're a careful reader,

there are no jokes. But there are sly jokes. On page 391, there's a Jimmy Carter joke. But I don't mention Jimmy Carter. It's about the tennis courts at the White House. It's a sly joke. But then in the index on page 390, if you look up James Earl,

Carter in the Bonhofer book, it's in the index. So a lot of slide jokes, a lot of Easter eggs waiting for you as you read the book. I just want to make that very clear. So, yes, I'm in Miami, and it's a little humid down here. It's a little different from New York and Connecticut. Chris, this is where your people are from. Yeah, Miami is a lot of fun. You know, if you like mojitos and Latin music cigars, the ocean, and dominoes.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Anyway, okay, so there's so much to talk about. Let's just say in terms of news, okay, no, sorry, first of all, today in both hours, I warned you last week, here it is, okay? L.A. Marzuli, he is a Christian writer who has written a book called Rungs of Disclosure. In both hours today, I'm going to have a pretty in-depth. conversation with him, but we're going to have to have him on more to talk about more. He's got some theories. And I have to say, even if you tend not to agree with certain things, you say, wait a minute, I don't know about this, I don't know about that. Nonetheless, his willingness to weigh in and try to figure this out about UFOs, about a lot of witty stuff. But I tell you, it's really compelling. So both hours today, buckle your seatbelts, ladies and gentlemen, I promise you, you're not going to hear this on other radio programs. I promise you. It's like we did Susquatch Week a few years ago.

Yeah, we're running it back. We realize, honestly, there's a lot of new information. There's a lot of new, I would say, awareness around some of these things. I think it's no accidents that, you know, the interest in alien life form, some of these encounters is peaked. A lot of people doing. Well, that's kind of what this conversation is going to be about. You'll see.

You'll see. We won't spoil it. But very, very extraordinary. The book is at least worth reading. You'll see. You'll see. A couple of minutes. Okay, that's number one. Number two, in the news, liberals are going absolutely insane over Trump's winning the election. And I thought to myself, these are the people that are talking about democracy. These are the people that said he's against democracy. So he is chosen by the American voters, without any doubt, five million. plus, you know, popular vote, overwhelming, I don't know, 300 plus electoral college votes, overwhelming choice of the American people. So that's called democracy.

And a lot of these people are just behaving like Satan was elected. Actually, they would have less problem with that. They have a soft spot for Satan. So it really is horrifying to me. Like, some people think it's kind of fun. It can be sort of funny. Oh, that's funny. But you know what?

It's also sick that so many Americans know so little about anything that they would actually believe that their rights are going to be taken away because Donald Trump was elected or it's so, it's pure. There's a real disconnect. I mean, part of the issue is there's been so much disinformation and propaganda on their side that they started to believe it in such a way that you're left with two options only. and that's one, to consider that maybe you've been believing some things that are not true, or two, to double down and say, oh, he's just waiting for the right opportunity to do this stuff. Right, right, his second term. Now it's going to happen. Yeah, now, you know, he's going to put people in the camps.

Like, I got to say, it is, it's sad that there are enough Americans that are that out of touch with reality, with history, that they believe this. The good news is they're wrong. anyway, so we'll put that to the side. Then there's also, but there's also been a lot of obvious cheating in some of the Senate races, some of the congressional races in California. We're going to be following that in the weeks ahead. I don't have enough information, but there's no doubt that. The Carrie Lake, you know, race in Arizona, it just seems like they're slow walking the thing

to figure out how many ways they can widow away votes for her to steal it, because clearly she won. Is that your takeaway? See, I'm, I'm not following this that closely. I just know that there are shenanigans in Arizona. Who's going to vote for Trump in Arizona and not vote for Kerry Lake? It makes no sense. Yeah.

So I think she probably did win. Yeah. Well, that would be my guess too, but I just haven't heard much. So that's strange. And then, of course, we have Mitch McConnell, the turtle, is he's stepping away. he's going to go to the turtle farm and he needs to get a replacement. And so John Cornyn and what's his name?

Is it John Thune? Yes. And I always forget, Governor Oh, Scott, Rick Scott. Rick Scott are in the running. Rick Scott, I think, is the only one who is not a horrible rhino. So it's kind of weird

that people, even like Josh Hawley, who I think of as a super good guy, was pushing for Cornyn. Very strange. I think Trump even came out for Cornyn. It's very strange. I don't know what's going on. So we'll have to keep our eyes on that one. All right. Before we go to our UFO Nephilim conversation, I want to mention the crews, 155 people have

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Are you ready to be freaked out? Because I may have mentioned this before, but I was on my way on one of these long trips I take on the way of the airport. Some books came to my house. I grabbed one of them that looked interesting. And I read the whole thing. And I said, I have to have this author.

on my program to tell my audience about what's in this book. This is amazing stuff. I'm not speaking hyperbolicly. This is really amazing stuff, and it's hard for us to get our heads around it. So I want to take the time with the author of the book. The book is called Rungs of Disclosure, following the trail of extraterrestrials and the end times. Is that freaky enough for you?

the author L.A. Marzuli is my guest, L.A., so glad to have you on this program. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. The honor is all mine. Thanks for having me here. Listen, what you write about, this is going to be tough for my audience to grasp this, because I read the whole book to try to sum this up. Where do we start? I mean, I'll start. I'll start. I was familiar with the work of Hugh Ross in California, a scientist. who's a Christian, and over the years, I came to the conclusion. I've written about it in my books. I wrote a book called Miracles, and I wrote a book called Is Atheism Dead,

where it's pretty darn clear that life does not evolve in the universe out of non-life. It just doesn't happen. So when people think that it happens, they would say, well, there's life on Earth. There must be life on other places. There must be aliens. Not according to Hugh Ross, and not according to me and all the people that I respect. they say, no, no, no, no, there should be zero life in the universe. The fact that there's life on this planet is itself insane, is a miracle.

The only thing that could explain it is God. So if there are aliens and spaceships and whatever and they don't, it's not life from other planets, what is it? Hugh Ross has said, well, this is demonic, interdimensional stuff. It gets really bizarre. So that's kind of where I ended up, but I've never thought. thought too much about it. But in recent years, Tucker Carlson has had some people on his program, and this is where L.A. Marzuli comes into the picture. So your book is called Rungs of Disclosure, and you really get into it. I have to ask you, before we get into the details,

how did you find yourself, L.A. Marzuli, a practicing, believing Christian, how did you find yourself getting drawn into the world of, you know, all of this, Out-there stuff of, you know, alien abductions and Nephilim and End Times. How did you start on this journey? And your book, by the way, Rungs of Disclosure is excellent. I don't say that lightly because it's very important. This is very important information, and it's important that we get it right. But how did you get into this whole world of, you know, all the things we're going to talk about?

Okay. I know we have a limited amount of time, so I can't go through the whole history. But here's the deal. When I was 12 years old, I was a Boy Scout. I was at Camp Horseshoe Rising Sun, Maryland. I'm taking a shortcut because it's lunchtime. And so we're hopping these boulders in a dry creek bed. There's four boys. I'm the last boy in line. The lead boy goes, oh my gosh, what's that? And he points. The other two guys go, wow, what is that? And I go, what? And they point there. And I look up, and there, way behind, way up in the air, is a classic silver disc like this. Classic. just like this. And we watched this thing for about 20 to 25 seconds. No sound. The sunlight is glinting off of it. And all of a sudden it goes like this, straight up and it's gone.

We go running back to Boy Scout camp. We saw a UFO. We saw a flying saucer. All the kids gather around us. I can still run the tape in my head and see it. The Scout Masters of Air and Norkarro. What did you really see, guys? And that's lunchtime.

By the evening meal, the other three boys deny, but they had ever seen anything. Okay, this is what year we talking about? 1971? No, 62. I'm 73. Okay. 62. 1962.

Right around in there. So in 1962, you know what you saw. Like you, it's not kind of like, well, maybe, I don't know. You know you saw something. It freaked you out, but you know what you saw. There are millions of people who have stories like this. I've talked to some of them. And the problem is now, okay.

what do we do with this information? What did you see? So this happened to you. You're 12 years old. You know, you're not four years old. You know what you saw. And you're saying that the kids who saw it with you denied it. Why?

Because they were afraid of being made fun of. They were being made fun of. By the evening meal, the ridicule had reached, you know, fever pitch. Everyone was making fun of the boys, making fun of me. I refused to back down. It was my first lesson in herd mentality. I realized that you go against the herd. man, you're going to get it, and that's been my whole life.

That was like a life lesson that set me up for what I'm doing now. I mean, I've been kicked out of churches for this. And yet, this is the coming great deception. And we are, I'm leaping ahead, we are on the precipice of something which is so nefarious, so dark, which the enemy, Hasatan, Satan, the dragon, has put in motion for centuries. Right. And we're here. Yeah, now, normally I would dismiss this as kooky, but here's the problem.

It's not. Okay. So you're 12 years old. You see what we would describe as a flying saucer. You know what you saw and the other boys saw it. So what happens after that that draws you into this process of saying, I want to understand what, you know, what am I supposed to think? Because I, you know, particularly as Christians, we want to understand what does God say? What am I supposed to think? So what led you into the process of trying to figure out what you saw? This is actually the testimony, and we actually included it in the book, Rung of the Disclosure at the end. So 13 years old, I become confirmed in the Catholic Church, and I promptly leave the Catholic Church at 13. The Beatles are there. All of a sudden, all this Eastern mysticism comes in. I'm looking for, you know, what's the meaning of life? What am I doing here? That type of stuff.

But I'm all into the new age. I'm completely into Eastern mysticism. At 18 years old, my girlfriend, I'm 18, she's 16. we've been going together for two years. She dies in a horrific automobile accident. This sets me on a quest. What's the meaning of life? Where is God?

Who is God? What is all this? And I'm searching. I mean, I'm really looking. But I'm completely immersed in the new age at this point. You know, I am taking psychotropic drugs. I am looking into Carlos Castanada's books, Ospensky's books. I mean, I'm Madame Blavatsky.

I am a total new ageer. And so this little guru, I'm not. my little hometown of Berwyn, Pennsylvania. And on top of the telephone post, there's a bill. The Lord of the Universe has come to you today. And it was a rally down in Philadelphia. And so I took my friend, John, and we went down there. And it was all the wall-to-wall hippies in this theater.

And the guru was late, about two hours late. And he finally shows up a little 14-year-old kid. And he talks about this knowledge, will open your mind. Without knowledge, you will perish and all this other stuff. The next day I went, and for eight hours, I listened to the Mahatma, the holy man, talk about the knowledge and how important it was. My third eye was open.

I tasted divine nectar, heard celestial music, got the primordial word of God. Two weeks later, I was in the ashram. That was for three years. So I was immersed in Eastern mysticism, completely immersed. And then at 24, I left. I became agnostic.

And went, all this stuff, I'm done. You know, I had, look, I had practice. I gave up everything. I was a student. You know, I was up at 5 in the morning and meditating, and I had all sorts of stuff that happened. But here's the deal. Here's the deal, and it ties it in with our Christian worldview.

Back then, I couldn't talk about it from a Christian worldview. All I knew was that my sin nature was still intact. I was still the same schmuck I had always been. I wouldn't call it to sin nature. So you're a hardcore new-ager. Absolutely. When I say hardcore, I've read the book, hardcore into Eastern mystical and as we now know, demonic stuff. And it's not doing it for you.

So at some point you push away. I push away. And this is another five years before I would give my life to the Lord. It was a couple of Christian books, specifically like one by David Hunt, who's no longer with us, the cult explosion. And at the end, there's a little prayer. And I'm alone in my room. And I say the prayer. and I go, look, if you're real, come into my life

because I've tried everything and nothing works. And nothing happened. You know, there was no like, you know, Jesus didn't appear, nothing like that. But about a month later, I woke up after a very, very troubling dream. And that's when everything started. Within 24 hours, I had my first pastor and my first mentor. Within 24 hours, I would see my pastor twice a week

because I was being pulled out of the kingdom of darkness. Okay, so I want to be clear where we're going with this. Folks, Buckley, seatbelts because I read the book. This is heavy stuff. This is going to force us to look to the Lord and to look to the Lord more than we already do because this is some dark stuff we're talking about here. We're going to be talking about who the Nephilim are. A lot of this bizarre stuff that's been documented, alien abductions, if you've ever read the Whitley-Striber book. I mean, this is, you have to deal with this stuff, folks, right? There's all this stuff.

out there and you have to say what's really going on. It doesn't mean we're going to, we have all the answers, but we're going to get close. So the book we're talking about is rungs of disclosure, R-U-N-G-S, Rungs of Disclosure, Rungs of Disclosure, Rungs of Disclosure following the trail of extraterrestrials in the end times, L.A. Marzuli is my guest. Rungs of Disclosure is the book. We'll be right back. Hey, this is Eric Metaxus. For years I've told you about nutrometics, a professional supplement brand, trusted by doctors since 1993. Nutrametics offers a variety of health bundles.

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I'm talking to L.A. Marzuli. book is Rungs of Disclosure. I have read it. And there's some unbelievable stuff in there. It's challenging. So, L.A., you came to faith. And at what point do you begin thinking about, you know, what you saw when you were 12 years old? And at what point do you get into this stuff? Well, it was like 10 years, almost 10 years of being a worship leader. I'm a trained musician. I was in all sorts of bands. I had producers. And I had in studios and all the stuff chasing the rock and roll carrot. So when I began my life to the Lord, I became a worship leader. I was a worship leader for, I would say, eight or nine years. But remember,

I'm 30 years old and I'm reading the Old Testament. I'm reading the Tanat, the Bible, for the first time. And I get to the to the flood of Noah and I kind of go, wait a minute, wait a minute, I don't, why destroy the planet? Who is this God of the Old Testament? And then a couple of chapters later, of a tower of Babel. And it's like, oh, my gosh, why is he confusing a language? What are these guys doing that's so nefarious? It's so bad that this judgment, Jesus, I get,

you know, the Lamb of God. I mean, I totally get that. But this God of the Old Testament seems maniacal, capricious. He seems like he's got a real nasty attitude. Finally, you know, you get to Sodom and Gomorororan, you throw up your hands, and you go, I can't do this. This is genocide, but I'm staying with it. I'm going to my pastor.

He has no answers. and when I get to the conquest of Canaan, and I'm not making this up, I almost took the Bible and threw it against the wall. Because that was, in my opinion, it was total genocide. I didn't know anything about the Nephilim. This is 1980. In 1988, I got a book by Dr. I.E. Thomas. He became my mentor. It was called the Omega Conspiracy, and he plugged in the Nepheline. He plugged in Genesis 315, Genesis 6. And all of a sudden, I had answers. to all those deep questions found in the biblical narrative, which I had no answer to.

Okay, so let's go there. Anytime anybody brings the Nephilim, I brings it up, I just go, okay, this is like one of these strange things in the Bible that I've never gotten any clarity on this. So in a nutshell, because we don't have a ton of time, I want to get to all this stuff. Sure. Who are the Nephilim? The Nephilim are the byproduct, the off-shrone, the off-suit. spring of fallen angels and human women, creating a hybrid being, which is soulless, in my opinion, known as the Nephilim. They shouldn't be here. They were never supposed to be here.

And the springboard to this, Eric, is Genesis 315. My hat is off to my good friend Gary Stearman, who lectured me in this years ago. Genesis 315, you've got Adam and even the garden, they've just blown it, they've known they've blown it, they are hiding from a Lord, they are terrified. You've got the dragon. You've got Hasatan, the shining one, the kash over here. And in the center, you've got the pre-incarnate Jesus, the pre-incarnate Messiah, who says to the dragon, and this is imperative. In fact, in the book, I spend lots of time unpacking Genesis 315. Jesus, the pre-incarnate Christ, says to the dragon, your offspring, your offspring will be at war with the offspring of the woman, the proto-evangelium,

the offspring from the woman will crush your head, you'll bruise his heel. That's the entire biblical narrative. And it's not taught in seminaries, and most churches have no idea. But that's the whole thing. It sets up everything. So what you're introducing is the concept of satanic offspring.

Yes, absolutely. Okay, which no one ever talks about. And it's a little bit of a radical idea. I mean, I can see a lot of people saying, wait a minute. I don't know about that. But you're saying that the satanic offspring, that's when we're talking about the Nephilim. In other words, we're talking about.

I was talking to Rick Renner about this. I don't know if you know Rick Renner. Yes, yeah, I know. He's on my show. He wrote a book. And when he was on this program, and he's talking about the Nephilim as being, yes, it's these demonic fallen angels mating with human women.

So part of me naturally says, how is that possible? That doesn't seem possible to me that that could happen. There's a Greek word, it's called metisketzmatocyte. And what it means is the ability to shape-shift and appear as whatever they want. We also know from scripture that Satan can appear as an angel of light. So that gives us a clue. When we read the book of Enoch, and if you were going to keep one book from the people,

that's the book. Don't read the book of Enoch. I'll go to hell if you read the book of Enoch. Nonsense. The book of Enoch is found out of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Jude quotes from it, which means because Jude is Jesus' his brother that maybe the entire household of Jesus' brothers and sisters read the book of Enoch, because you don't quote something unless it's part of your real house, unless it's dear to your heart.

And Jude is quoting the book of Enoch. And in the book of Enoch, it talks about the 200 watcher angels descending on Mount Hermone in the days of Gerard. And they do, I wrote a whole book on this countermov. I have a Nephilim return after the flood. And this is where, you know, a head to the New Testament, Jesus takes his disciples. Where do they go? They go to Mount Hermone. What do they do? What that, that whole light show that happens where God the father shows up and

Moses and Elijah are showing up and Jesus is transfigured. That's not like a five-minute deal. This is why Peter says, let's build booths. This thing goes on, which is why the next morning when they go down, this huge crowd is gathered because they've been watching the light show all night. It's absolutely mind-boggling. The Seed War, when you think about it almost succeeded, no pun intended, because only eight people got on the ark. Everybody else is destroyed. Everybody else in the ancient world before Noah, before the flood of Noah, somehow has their DNA contaminated in some way. Okay, so you're talking about, you're talking about this, again, folks, I understand if this is challenging, because we got to get through this. I want

clarity to emerge as we discuss this, but the best thing is to read the book, Rungs of disclosure because it's all in there. But I'll continue the conversation with L.A. Marzuli. The book is Rungs of Disclosure. Hey, rain and snow, so many things I could have done. The clouds got in my way. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to L.A. Marzuli. The book is Rungs of Disclosure. This is, again, heavy stuff, challenging for people listening to this program right now. But in the book, you talk about some stuff, and the reason it's challenging is because there's several things to try to figure out and understand. But you talk about the so-called extraterrestrials.

You're saying they are not aliens. These are demonic beings. Now, I have no problem with that. But you go into some stuff that is particularly freaky. We're going to get to all that. You talk about the alien abductions. There was a book by Whitley Stryor came out in the early 80s, I think. What was it called again?

Communion. I don't think I read that whole book, but years ago I looked at it and I thought to myself, there is no way all these people are making this up that they've been abducted by aliens and they all tell these similar stories, horrible stories. And I remember thinking, I don't know what to make of this, but, you know, you have to, if you're logical, you want to figure out what is going on. What is this deception? Is this a demonic deception?

Did this really happen? What in the world is going on? So what do you say that is? Well, when we go back into Daniel, we get this prophecy from the angel talking to Daniel. This is 2,500 years ago, thereabouts. And the angel says their seed will mingle with the seed of men. There's that word seed again, but they will not cleave to them. And the word cleave is the word that we get for marriage.

A man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife. Their seed will mingle with the seed of men. Who were they? Who were they? And this is why it's so important. Because the angel is telling Daniel exactly what's going to happen in the end. How do we know that? Because he tells Daniel, seal up the words in the book, Daniel, until the time of the end,

which will look like this. Men and women will run to and for over the face of the earth. Knowledge will increase. This is exactly where we are. As we are speaking, men and women are running. to and fro with the face of the earth. Knowledge increases exponentially. 1945, Hiroshima Nagasaki.

1947, the Roswell crash at the 509th bombing group, which dropped the bomb on Nagasaki. 1948, Israel becomes a nation. The entire UFO phenomenon begins right there. Okay, so let's be clear. That is what you just said is correct. The whole UFO phenomenon did not exist in previous times. Now, it doesn't mean that, you know, you don't have H.G. Wells writing War the Worlds and, you know, the concept. But something happened in the late 40s.

You believe that the Roswell, New Mexico incident was real. You believe that one of these flying saucers actually crashed in Roswell. What do you know about that? What can you say? What do you believe about that? Well, we actually have a film. We have two films on Roswell. And this is the July 8th paper, which told the truth that the RAAF has retrieved a flying saucer.

That was July 8th. July 9th, 1947. July 9th, Gemma Ramey empties the saucer and then tells us excitement not justified. Is that it? Okay, so in other words, something happens. They report on it. This is 1947. and immediately the government says,

Ixnay on the eyeing flay-auser say, octay, that's it. No talk, this didn't happen. Everybody shut up. So what's your conclusion? My conclusion, because I've been to the debris field. I've actually been to the debris field with metal detectors. Frank Kimber, Chuck Sikowski, my business partner, Gil Zimmerman, and Mr. Peterson, we're out there.

Our little film crew, we're filming all this. All of a sudden, Frank Kimber goes, I think I got a hit, guys. We go over, and we show, on film, Frank is digging this thing out. It's a little piece of metal. It's a little piece of metal. We've had the metal tested.

The metal was buried about eight inches under the ground. They didn't get it all. They didn't get it all. And we had the metal tested, and the metal is an aluminum alloy, but it doesn't match anything that we have here. The closest thing we have to it is an aluminum alloy. But aluminum alloyed with what?

Don't know. We have no idea. The isotopic ratios are not found here, according to what I know. Okay. So it's not an aluminum alloy with another metal, but it's an isotope of aluminum? As far as we know, it's an isotopic ratio. And it's not something that any human has ever seen before. And you're telling me that in our lifetime, you went there, there's still this stuff, the debris field.

And, okay, so what else? What else? Well, I mean, we've got deathbed confessions. How many deathbed confessions do you need before, you know, and affidavits signed by lawyers and notaries and everything else not to be opened after, you know, on dead? Then I'll tell you what I saw. And too many people have come forward to me personally on the record, off the record, talking about the events of 1947. in Roswell, it was a crash. They saw the disc. The disc was moved.

I mean, you've got Gemma Ramey holding the telegram, and then you've got David Rudiak decades later moving in because we've got material. We've got cameras that can do that now. And enlarging it. It talks about disc and bodies and move to right path. We know the pilot that flew the bodies and the craft to write Patterson. Frew the bodies of what?

Let me skip forward. Let me skip forward. But I mean, these are not human bodies, is what you're talking about. Something crashes, and you're saying that they discover bodies of what they believe are aliens. We've got other ideas. But these are bodies that our government, like, genuinely flew someplace. And where did they fly them to? Right, Patterson Field.

This is chapter 16 in the book. It's one of the last chapters that deals with David Grush. So let's take what L.A. Marzilli says completely. out of this, and let's focus on our government in Congress. This is this year, 2024. David Grush is a whistleblower. He appears before Congress. Nancy

Mace from South Carolina, Representative Nancy Mace from South Carolina, is interviewing David Grush. And she asked him, do we have Crash Craft? And he looks right up at him, and he said, I've already talked about that, but basically the bottom line is yes. So she follows up with a question. Do we have the pilots

from these Crash Craft? This is the halls of Congress. He's under oath. This is like two years ago. No, this is this year, 2024. So I just want to slow it down here. Where you're going with this, and this is part of what's central to the book,

is that people haven't wanted anyone else to talk about this until now. And suddenly in Congress, Congresswoman, Representative Mace, is questioning this guy, and he is saying, yes, yes, yes. This is in the congressional record. So the question is, why are we talking about this now? When we come back, we will find out why. Don't go away. Talking to L.A. Marzuli, Rungs of Disclosure is the book.

So we've just scratched the surface, L.A. We've got a lot of ground to cover here. I hope people are hanging on. So you're saying that for the first time this is coming out in the open. Somehow, astonishingly, we have. have in Congress, we're talking about this. Yes, there was a crash. Yes, bodies were recovered. So part of the big story is, why would this information come out now? Why is it okay to talk about it now? So I want to get there, but I want to go backward to what do you say, because this is where it gets very

hard to process. What are these things, these bodies? These are not aliens. from another world, from another galaxy. What are these demonic things? Okay, this is a complex question, and no one has gone aboard. Well, that's not true. Experiences talk about this. So I'm getting my information from people who have been taken numerous times. They are abductees.

They have been on the ships. They have seen everything. And some of these people have been taken at five and six years old. and then this goes on for decades. It's horrific, absolutely horrific. So let's walk through it. The greys, which pretty much everyone in your audience has been inculturated, but you go back 30 years ago, hardly anybody knew what the grays were.

The gray aliens are very small, short, about four feet tall, big heads, big black eyes. We're talking about in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the small, creepy-looking aliens that we now, For some reason, we've settled on, yeah, that's what they look like. But you're saying that a lot of these people who have been abducted say, yes, this is real. And this is where this idea comes from, from people who have actually been abducted. And it is horrific. It's difficult to process.

So you're saying that these creatures are demonic creatures. These are not aliens from another galaxy that mean to bring us peace. No. No. And here's the kicker. Right now, you know, we started the interview and we're in the shallow end of the pool. We have now jumped into the very deep end of the pool. And we, you know, usually it takes me two or three hours of lecturing people to bring people into the deep end of the pool.

Because I lecture on Genesis 315. I talk about the Nephilim. I talk about the seed war in all of its manifestations. We go back into the conquest of Canaan and who were those Nephilim. and why what looks like genocide, but it's not. And unless a person understands the seed war, the Genesis 315 mandate, your offspring will be at war with the offspring of the woman.

The seed of the woman, the proto-evangelion, the Messiah, will crush your head. So now we're all of a sudden we find ourselves in the deep end of the pool. The Nephilim, the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim that were destroyed in the flood become demons that wander the earth.

Demons are not fallen. angels. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim destroyed in the flood. Okay, now that right there is already challenging, because I didn't know there was such a thing as disembodied spirits of Nephilim. I figure there are angels and they're demons. The demons are fallen angels. You're talking about, and Rick Renner mentioned it on this program, you're talking about something else. Now, I guess this shouldn't be too challenging, because if you read the scripture, there are heavenly beings, there are different orders of, but the disembodied, so you're saying that these creatures were killed in the flood. It was God's intention, but their spirits survived, and that they,

then what? They're looking for bodies. Is that the idea? They're looking for bodies. When Jesus cast out the man of the tombs and he says, who are you? Legion, we are many. Those aren't fallen angels. Those are demons. Those are demons. Those are demons. the disembodied spirits of the Nephliu. Okay, hang on, we have to go to another break here. Folks, this might be challenging, but it's worth it. Stick around. Don't go away.